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You say so and that settles it, right? You wish. Meanwhile, tell your minions to run along to science and technology section to meet their mates. Why disturbing us with their omniscience in religion section. Our brains cannot bear it again, hahaha.

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There is nothing like biblical fictional tales, don't get worked up.

Image123:


Oh that, nothing to be satirical about there. I'm not interested in satires but facts. Or maybe God is playing imagery for you?
The Genesis 3 account is not unproven as we see its effects reverberating till tomorrow. What more proof do you need of a fallen world the account talks of? Unlike evolution that we only see in film and modelling. Have you started evolving from human being?

Ihedinobi3:

Yes I was seeking clarification, not merely for what you believe though, but for the argument you seemed to be making. I am interested in atheistic arguments because they always threaten to undermine the faith of weak believers.

I am, by spiritual gifting, a pastor-teacher in the Body of Christ. When I have been fully trained and properly tested, I will be a shepherd of the sheep too. What I do now is both part of my training and part of my responsibility in the Church. If I don't do it, I will answer to the Lord Jesus Christ for my failure.

As for what I know that other believers don't, compared to the vast majority of believers, I actually know what the Bible teaches. Not many of us actually bother to learn the Bible. Until they do decide to, I'm holding the fort.

Ihedinobi3:

This statement?

So, dalaman, it's not that God doesn't exist, it's just that you atheists want to excise Him from the Universe like oncologists try to cut out or eliminate cancers from human bodies, correct?"

Why does that mean that I care what you believe? I only answer all these arguments you people make for the sake of other believers.

Your earlier words don't agree with you.

Ihedinobi3:

But I don't care what you believe, dalaman. Didn't I already say so?

Evasion. Didn't you say that you don't tell others what to believe, that you ask them to justify their beliefs to you? The question is how are these two things true? Do you tell others what they must believe or do you leave people to make their own decisions?

Ihedinobi3:

And he promptly attacks the Bible. With foot-stamping tantrums and the typical "there are other Words of God too" argument.

Obviously, your saying that the Bible is this or that will not make it so.

Obviously, the existence of opposing claims does not mean that the Bible is not the only Word of God.

Perhaps if you say it a few more times with a bit more vehemence, it'll magically become true.

What exactly did I admit?

Are you forgetting what you just said:

"I find it ridiculous because people are wasting their lives relying on made up mythological tales and fables that keeps failing them all the time"?

Where does the above lead logically?

MuttleyLaff:
How many times do you need me to repeat to you that, you as a spiritual being is evidence of a spiritual God, all because you are made in this Godhead's image and likeness. That is why and where the interest in God stems from. Animals and inanimate object haven't the capabilities do to what you are pining after

Ihedinobi3:

If I may be so bold, might I advise you to actually think about the things you post before you post them? It would probably make it easier to treat your posts with seriousness. As it is, I am sorely tempted to laugh at you. If I did, it would annoy you (chances are that my advice is annoying you anyway).

Your response here, like all the others you made in your earlier posts, defeats itself. This account has only three threads, and it is the only one I still use. None of them offers an argument for God's Existence. One teaches Bible studies. Another shares conversations I have had with other people answering questions and challenges to the Bible. The third educates Christians on apologetics. In other words, you are complaining about answers I have offered to questions and challenges directed at the Bible on threads authored by other people. That is, you are not complaining about any argument that I volunteered independently. So, how could I be "trying to convince people" of anything? If I was, I would be producing threads like you atheists do. Not that I can't try to convince people of what I believe without creating threads, but I always offer answers and move on unless someone challenges my answers or asks for clarification of anything in them. They are always given on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.

Then again, obviously I always reference the Bible as my source authority. So, I have never offered an answer on my personal recognition. My answers are therefore made up only in so far as the Bible itself is made up. Since also I did not author the Bible, I can hardly be called God's mouthpiece unless it is with reference to my role of accurately interpreting what God Himself says. Finally, if the Bible exists, then unless you can prove that it is not God's Own Words, you cannot say that God does not speak, and "God does not exist" is not a proof.

Of course I didn't say so. Neither did I say that it did not. The whole argument is happening in your head. If you are asking my position on it, then what people believe informs the decisions they make. Therefore, no human activity can be completely divorced from religion and philosophy.

As for your huffing and puffing, you will prove it before I concede that religion impeded America's progress.

It is asinine because you say it is? Who died and made you God?

I did ask you that but that was not therefore a declaration. If you are asking why I asked it, then it is because you made it your right to tell others what to believe.

MuttleyLaff:
Your asking the question is the evidence of you a spiritual being made in the image and likeness of God asking for proof of the spiritual evidence of his Creator. You wouldn't and couldn't find any animal or an inanimate object entertaining thoughts like this huh? You are pining for a like mind as you are.

Ihedinobi3:

I completely agree with you that it is nonsense. That is precisely what I have been demonstrating to you.

Obviously as well, you still live in a fantasy world where your own "arguments" for the non-existence of God have any kind of validity by themselves that opposing arguments lack.

Finally, exactly what makes you think I am interested in convincing you or anybody else of something so obvious that only insanity denies it?

Ihedinobi3:


God shields them from that revelation of Himself that makes it impossible for them to do anything but submit to Him. That is, He lets men today have the choice to deny His Reality and Power.

[/quote]I don't think you know at all how the United States developed.

1. When were church and state mixed in the US and when did they separate?

2. When was America not capitalist? And in what way did religion at the time cause it?

3. When was America undemocratic and how was religion responsible for that?

4. When did America industrialize and how did religion oppose it and how was it neutralized to allow industrialization to occur?

5. Same as #4 above.

6. In what way did religion have anything to do with gun culture and how was it neutralized to allow it to flourish?

Again, it is a straw man that you made up that religion helps any country to develop. Did I make this argument at all?

As for your claims, why should I care about them? What does religion have to do with science or economics?

Glad you admitted that I asked a question. Now, in what way was it asinine and how does it suggest that I think you want people to make you their centerpiece?

MuttleyLaff:
Whether you want to accept it or do not want to accept, you are a spiritual evidence of God. You are a spirit being that has a soul and housed in a human being body, you were made in the image of an invisible to physical eyes Godhead and also you are made in the likeness of the Godhead.

Have you ever witness or seen any animal asking similar questions like yours? I don't think you'll say you have. Do you know why you couldn't and/or wouldn't witness or seen any such thing with animals?

My dear friend denying and/or refusing to acknowledge this doesn't take away from this truth.

GoodMuyis:


I will take you seriously when you stop using the word baseless assumption.

Anyway, God created the world as simple as saying $world = new world();

MuttleyLaff:
My dear friend, I've just had. You are a spiritual evidence for God. You, pressing to know about God, is evidence of that something unseen, preoccupying you with the quest to find out, know about God and sought evidence(s) about God. You are part of the spiritual evidence of God, even as a spirit being with a soul, that is housed or encased in a body, that you are too.

GoodMuyis:


Even a blind man will hear and feel on his skin the beauty of God's creation. Based on what I see everyday I made my declaration
You calling it baseless is a wrong choice of word

shadeyinka:

You have to find Him by your spirit of you want. It's like love, you have to want it to have it

MuttleyLaff:
The spiritual evidence for God, is you. You, pressing to know about God, is evidence of that something unseen, preoccupying you with the quest to find out, know about Him and sought evidence(s) about God. You are part of the spiritual evidence, even a spirit being with a soul and housed or encased in a body, that you are too

shadeyinka:

A unicorn is supposed to be physical in nature, so a physical evidence is required.
God/god's are spirits, so a spiritual evidence is required!

What kind of evidence do you require to confirm love? Fossils!?

GoodMuyis:
When I see a fossil of a unicorn, I will tell you about its existence.

But hey God created heaven and the earth, so Now I can tell you about God.

Simple

TATIME:
All these wonderful colors evolved after a BIG~BANG. So don't mind them and their gibberish!

Ihedinobi3:

You can say this a thousand times and I will answer it the exact same way. If arguments that are presented for the Existence of God prove that God does not exist because if He did there would be no need for arguments, then arguments that are presented against the Existence of God also prove that God does exist since if He didn't there would be no need for arguments to prove that He doesn't.

Say what now? How did you know that they only developed after they dropped religion? Also, are you calling these parts of the world atheistic? Seriously?

No one has said here that Religion made any country develop. That's all your own imagination.

I'm not willing to assume that you know anything about how those places developed, so I must ask: how did they develop and why are you so certain that it had nothing to do with religion?

Finally, I never confessed to or admitted to lying about you. You accused me of doing so. What is your proof that I did? Or do you just defame people's character whenever you get bored?

Ihedinobi3:

Likewise, if God does not exist, His non-existence will be demonstrated instead of shoddy and fabricated arguments....etc.

Is that so? America and Europe began with religion too and they didn't turn out so bad. What makes you think that religion has anything to do with the way Nigeria is?

What did I make up about you? And you too should stop making things up here.

Ihedinobi3:

Like I said, arguments are not proof in and of themselves that what is being argued about is not self-evident. If they are, then atheistic arguments are equally proof that the non-existence of God is not self-evident and cannot be demonstrated independent of shoddy and fabricated arguments that are mostly lies and cover-up's.

You already said that you find it ridiculous. I was asking why it has anything to do with you. Why is it your business what other people want to believe?

I share your sentiment about lies and liars. That's why I'm challenging you.

Ihedinobi3:

You know that this is a bad argument, right? People argue about things that are perfectly obvious all the time.

As for finding it ridiculous, why do you care what other people decide to center their lives around? You want the centerpiece to be you instead?

Ihedinobi3:

But of course.

Obviously, atheistic preoccupation with God is all because of a need to persuade yourselves that your fantasy is real and God really doesn't exist. In your thinking, if you argue hard enough and vociferously enough to intimidate and overwhelm atheists, you will succeed at eliminating God from existence.

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Ihedinobi3:

Oh, so it's not like it is with oncologists and cancer then! Why did you say it is?

Ihedinobi3:
So, dalaman, it's not that God doesn't exist, it's just that you atheists want to excise Him from the Universe like oncologists try to cut out or eliminate cancers from human bodies, correct?

Originakalokalo:


God will have mercy on you.

OpenYourEyes1:


Why do you and your fellow atheists spend alot of time on religious section attacking GOD if you believe HE does not exist?
Are you people OK?