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butterflylion:
Ogbeni I do not worship an idea. I WORSHIP AN EXPERIENCE! Let the difference echo in your empty head.

Do you actually believe in an eternal universe?

You worship an idea Mr Olodo, a man made created idea . I understand the need to change it and give ìt some different meaning so that you can keep staying in the bubble of delusion. You worship a God idea that was invented by humans like 2000 years ago and passed down yet you are here blabbing. If begin to ask you questions about the nonsense you call an idea you'll start crying and baaing like a goat.

butterflylion:
I think you have a problem and it's really deep.
Atheism is the rejection of God or gods and the rejection of their existence! It also asserts that there can never be sufficient proof of the existence of any God or gods (all I just typed is simply rejection of deification).

That being said an atheist can believe in anything else as long as it has nothing to do with God or gods.

Rejection of religion does not deny the existence of God because God came first before religion.

If some ideas about God are found in religion and you reject those ideas it's simply you rejecting an idea and not the diety behind the idea (Do you get it?).

If you reject the idea of reality of fatherhood does not mean you reject the idea of reality of your birth or pre-birth because without your birth or pre-birth idea or reality you would not be in the place to reject anything.

You are putting the cart before the horse. You sir know nothing!

Give me the name of the God that came before religion. All religions have their concept and idea of God the people that invented the God ascribe to the God idea they invented. When talking about God or defining it you must go back to the definition as stated by people that started your religion.

You can not show me any God that exist on its own without human input because all Gods are human ideas and inventions that is why we have different Gods and religions. All created by humans. I'll only take you seriously only when you show me a God that exist on its own without human input. You'll have to show me what the God alone did to make people believe in it and the belief system the God alone created.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol na dalaman be that . With his usual mantra

Most of the beliefs he religiously adheres to are man made ideas . Examples :

-Materialism
-Naturalism

These are ideas avowed by mostly atheists and they are man made ideas which began with ancient hedonists . He believes the universe is eternal , isn't that a man made idea ? Lol . Maybe the gods revealed that to him .

Your God Jesus and his stories, theology and religion was invented by men about 2000 year ago and you are hear yarning dust.

butterflylion:
I was sleeping and thought I was dreaming when I saw butterflies and lions all landing around me and telling me to wake up and that someone needs me so I wake up and check Nairaland and see where a group of confused pathetic solace seeking atheists are trying to console themselves that they should not pity themselves or feel bad about their current godless predicament.

They have blamed whites for bringing religion to Africa but also hail the whites for bringing atheism to Africa (I cannot just deal with the hypocrisy).

One even said God is a man made idea. Ask him to show us how and he will loose his tongue for sure.

The kind of turbulence in them is worse than that experienced by the Titanic if they need such gatherings to ease their pain.

Let us do a head count of them as they keep joining the party.

Show any God that exist without human input. Show us any God that exist on its own without humans creating and formulating stories about it, creating theology and culture and making other humans to accept it. Show me any God that did anything or created any belief system without the input of humans.

Even the christian God idea you worship stared like 2000 year ago when humans decided to deitify a Jewish hippe that was killed, they wrote down stories about him decades after he died, created a theology and religion after him and passed it down till it got to you. There is nothing you know about Jesus that you got from any Jesus God. Everything you know about Jesus you know because humans invented the stories, theology , religion and passed it down.

When you show a God doing anything on its own without human input then I'll begin to grant that you have an idea of what you are talking about.

Proudgorgeousga:
To the religiotards it may concern;


Atheism

noun (uncountable)

1. (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs).

2. (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist).

3. (very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities).

4. (loosely) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities)

Our resident regurgitator has now narrowed the definition of God as the elusive first mover. Now atheism is the rejection of deification. Always evolving and changing his positions as he goes.

KingEbukasBlog:


Talk about shooting one's self in the foot , they have bullet holes not just on their feet but all over their bodies . Atheism has roots in India and Greece as far back as the 6th century BC (2500 years ago ) but they have problems with a "white man's religion" I'm practicing which began 500 years after .

Don't mind them my brother , its the ignorance speaking

Doesn't change the fact that your religion is an invention of the white man.

felixomor:
Something else cracks me up
Some claim they became atheist after interaction with white men yet they are the same people who will say Africans are gullible for following "white man religion"

The hypocrisy never ends!

Is your religion not that of the white man? It's inventors , those that wrote down the stories and create the theology and tradition were white men so what the he'll are you talking about? Even the Jesus pictures you have in your homes is that of a white man.

felixomor:
Exactly....

I laughed when one of them said "atheism is where the truth is"
More like saying "Nothing is where the truth is"

Its quite funny

Is your religion and God not a man made entity? You were indoctrinated and made to believe in the formulated stories of some dead Jewish hippe who was later dietified and elevated as God by his followers whom later wrote fictitious and mythological stories about him many many decades after he died and you are here yarning in dust.

KingEbukasBlog:
How many times will you people open this useless threads to tell these boring stories ??

Atheism does not question religious beliefs , religious books or religious doctrines or reject religion so I don't get why stories here are centered on religion

Questioning religious beliefs does not anyone an atheist . Denying the existence of a transcendent creator of the universe does not even make you an atheist.

What makes you an atheist is when you reject deification or when you dont see anything -abstract or concrete - as a god .

99 percent Nigerian "atheists" are very ignorant and expect more stories based on their ignorance here .

cc : felixomor , butterflylion spacetacular,

Even you have started running away from your position on God. Your definition of atheism is always changing. It's now the rejection of deification.

God doesn't make sense to us because he's unfathomable but you somehow managed to understand him and his message to know what will happen to you after you die abi? Well done.

Antiparticle:
I used to think of atheists as defiant people who for some unclear reason were blinded from seeing the truth.
I also thought they were stubborn, as they never bought my Bible-driven arguments and explanations that I used to think were air-tight and well thought-out.

Unbeknownst to me the first cracks in my faith started probably started around 12 years ago when I allowed myself to deeply question everything in the Bible, no holds barred; my thinking was that this would help my faith grow deeper and know God more. My faith mostly grew stronger for the next seven years, but apparently the faint fault lines in my faith were also growing.

The fault lines started to become more visible five years ago when I started asking questions about if miracles still happened today. And over time I started asking if God still intervened in the world today. And then I started asking if every line of the Bible was true. And then I started questioning the resurrection, and the virgin birth, and ...

I was at an airport one day, two and half years ago, and it suddenly hit me -- I had been fooled all along. Chai! The next six weeks were sad and depressing! I couldn't believe that I had believed in this falsity for so long. It took a good nine months before I could begin to really talk about it. I had to again process what it means to be human. I once again felt like an adolescent learning how the world works.

This was when I started to see the sense in all the arguments and defiant questions that my atheist friends used to ask.

It took me like 8 years to finally accept that God is a man made idea and creation and that my religion was just the same like that of the others (nothing different or special about it). I became depressed for reasons I couldn't explain. I felt terrible about myself. I regretted ever going to Europe to study, hated Nairaland . I truly wanted God tp be real but I those questions and the reality kept starring at me in my face.

With the veil off my eyes I saw that the church was just a normal assembly of humans. There is nothing that goes out outside the church that doesn't go on inside the church. NOTHINH AT ALL. All the adultery and fornication that goes on outside the church also go on inside the church, all the fraud, deceit, lies, pretence, violence, marital issuesetc that were going on outside the church were also going on inside the church. I fully realized that nobody holy pass. The pastors were no different ftom me or any other person in reality. We are all humans groping in the dark and trying to find our ways when it comes to the issue of morality and uprightness.

I realized that I was a better human being than most of the people I held or put on a high pedestal because of my religious beliefs.

After a while I settled in accepted atheism and became an unapologetic athiest.

hopefulLandlord:
I call it delusion, self-importance and to put it more bluntly, condescending attitude, it makes the adherents feel "special" to "God" (whichever one they serve); God set them apart to have that "experience" which gave them their "salvation" while he left people like the irreligious/atheist/other religion to destruction/ mundane life, so this "special" person now takes it upon his/herself to convince someone "Less special" about his experiences

They don't care about MY personal experiences with a godless universe, or MY personal experiences with superstitious thinking being realized to be just that.
Only "*insert religion/god here* personal experiences" matter.

Sure it's a bubble of delusion. How else will you remain in any religion or believe in the God the religion promotes if it doesn't make you feel special and above the others?

They see you as unclean and lost goats because you don't share their beliefs. It's just a ridiculous bubble of delusion.

hopefulLandlord:
Dalaman, you basically saw the atheists/irreligious/nominal Christians as people who "haven't seen the light" which you were seeing or should I say "thought you were seeing"

nice one and its interesting that most theists presently have the same opinion of atheists, "if only God showed them the light" "if only he experiences Jesus for a moment"

Sure. If only they could see and experince what we are seeing and experiencing. But then muslims say that to christians and christians say that to muslims as well. Every religion says that to another. If only you see the light of our religion you'll leave yours and join ours.

I call it a bubble.

As a christian I never knew what it meant to be an atheist. How could someone say there was no God? How can anybody say that my sweet Jesus isn't real? Never personally sat down and thought about my religious beliefs and the concept of God at all. I was indoctrinated and I believed 1000000%. I grew up in a very conservative christian home, so everything I heard and was taught were true. Never questioned them, in fact I couldn't question them. I accepted everything and it became my reality.

The first time I met an atheist was like 10 years ago in Germany. It was surreal. I thought I met the "devil". The guy was so confident and kept dismissing God as a man made imaginary idea. I was so scared of him and the words and thoughts that were coming out of his mouth. I wished God will strike him with blindness. I hated him immediately but was more scared of him. I quickly ran away after listening to him for like 15 minutes.

We meet again after some days and he was at it again. Spewing his atheistic stuff. After a while I became friends with some of the Germans and realized that most of them were irreligious/ athiest. Non of them believed in God they way I did. Even those of them that believed in God had very different conception of who and what God is to them. We discuss religion sometimes and I got to realize that most of them were the same. It didnt bother me much since they were everywhere. I just prayed and hoped that God will touch them and show them his "light". I was a bit taken aback when I met black Germans that were athiest and irreligious then, some of my lectures were black Germans and were athiest. Some few friends in school as well. For some reason I felt I could give whites a pass for being athiest and irreligious but blacks? It didn't sit well with me that blacks were also athiest/irreligious because most of them were Africans like me whose parents or grand parents were from Ghana and Cameroun but were born there. I later had to accept them because they were everywhere. Only me and my few Nigerian and other African friends belived in God in the traditional way. I later met and became friends with some American soldiers that also believed in God the way I did(Traditionally). They were stationed in the city I was studying. They had a big military base there. Those Americans soldiers were the only whites that believed in God the way I did. Most of the Germans I knew personally were either athiest/irreligious or adherents of the Grill message. Very few were traditional christians like me. The church I attended then was an African church. After a while I settled in and had to accept things the way they were.

Then came nairaland. The first thing that made me start to think about the existence of God was the constant debates btw the christians and Muslims here. There was no Islamic section then and there were also very few athiest back then . I think there were only like 5 atheist if I could remember correctly(Seun, Kag, Nnfern, Mazaje, Jagunlabi). The debates were only btw christians and Muslims and also btw catholics and anti catholic protestants. The debates were always very hot and intense. I used to read for a while before I later registered .Those debates between the muslims and Christains made me to think about God's existence for the very first time in my life. I Never knew the bible had any flaws until the muslims pointed so many of them out. I refused to accept that they were flaws, I'll rather lie to my self than accept them. The muslims also did the same. When christians point out the flaws in the Koran, they also refused to accept, they'll twist, lie and offer the fringe of all explanations in order to explain it away. It was the same thing the christians were doing. The few athiest that were here kept pointing that out.

Then later the number of athiest picked up a bit and the arguments/debates started. Athiest started creating topics instead of just chipping in when muslims and christians were on each other's necks. The debates continued and I ended up changing my mind and doing away with my childhood indoctrination.

The she-male has gone nuts.

Proudgorgeousga:
good luck finding an atheist who believes in the supernatural to discuss with.

I tire.

701ecilana:
Dullard mama, you wish i can stalk you. You must be feeling secretly elated that i am responding to you. Cursed piece of rotten meat.

I have dignified you enough.

Move along. Worthless she-male.

701ecilana:
Yes and for over 10years you remain a boy. Like i said She males don't do Cows.

Boy and cow in the same sentence. You clearly don't know what you are saying. Your statusas a she-male has made you to lose your sense of direction in everything you do. Stop stalking me pls. I no want she-male,no be by force.

701ecilana:
You can't do she males. They don't do cows.

I hear you are old enough to marry, yet still talk like a teen. Hiak.

Old enough to marry ke. I've been married for over 10 years. I don't do she-males, thank you. Just stop stalking me.

701ecilana:
Demon possessed man.

She-male na wetin? Stop stalking me. I don't do she-males.

felixomor:
Thank God someone else already cleared you on this.

Besides, seems this is where u came to pour out your frustration

Someone cleared me already that 10 years old are allowed to own cars in which country? Pls remind me.

felixomor:

I know people who had cars at age 10.

Your background is not everybody's background.

Classic Felixmumu the liar.

felixomor:
The multiple electroencephalograms
Now show us where his result was shown as fake

From CT scans abi?

"Harris then goes on to carefully dissect Alexander’s claims, especially the assertion that his cerebral cortex was “shut down” or “inactivated.” His claim is not based on an fMRI or EEG or PET scan or any test that would tell if his cerebral cortex was inactive, but only CT scans, which tell you nothing about the activity within the cerebral cortex. If Alexander is such a great neurosurgeon, why doesn’t he know this?"

http://www.skeptic.com/insight/proof-of-heaven/

felixomor:
Msheww
Please Which result is false?

Which result show he was brain dead as he claims?

felixomor:
Keep quiet
No part of the article interviewed the doctor that treated him
Stop being foolish
Its the emergency doctor he met on arrival that was interviewed.
Your ignorance doesnt know the meaning of an emergency doctor nor the difference

His official results show his claims are true....


Stop living in denial.

His official results doesn't showhis claims are true because Dr Laura Potter denied some of his claims.

701ecilana:
Hahahhahahahabahahaha. So am the only one with alternates here abi? You are stupid even your own brain rejects you. From dullardman to dullardmama, thats not you?


From when did having alternates become a crime? Shouldn't you ask other's how they got sense as they became atheist?

Your stup.dity is overwhelming. And why won't it be when you are dullardman and dullarsmama at the same time?

You lied that you didn't have an alt account when asked. You lied that it was your only account. Your man 4everGod did same. In his own case he was caught red handed replying to his other moniker as another person. You guys are shameless.

701ecilana:
Thank you Lord, for raising another apostle.
Let's wait for them. Am dancing here.

I hope you can replace 4evergod for me ooooo. These atheists are e-urchins. They are hiding now. They have a WhatsApp group where they meet to plan attacks and blackmails of Christians who they can't intimidate. They hope to run us off with insults and intimidations, unfortunately, i no dey fear their papa satan, no be dem i go run from.

This one still get mouth after her alt account was discovered and exposed despite her denials and lies. You are shameless.

701ecilana:
The fear of his ghost still hunts you. See why i said your dullard name is affecting you? So if his mother is Ukraine married to a Nigerian, she can't live in his Apartment after his father's death?

Oh wait!!!!, so Oyibo no dey live for Nigeria grow old? Well i know a lot of Niger wives who are old white women in Nigeria, especially PH.

Ode. Your mumu no get grade.
Atheism hasn't helped increase your IQ.

You are a fool and liar. 4everGod has stated many times that his mother is dead. I've used that to mock him many times. He claimed to have raised some unknown person from.the dead but couldn't raise his dead mum. I and other athiest have used that to mock him. It is the main reason he so much detest me because he said I don't have respect for his dead mum. You remain a foolish liar.

felixomor:
Sharrap
And use shame to educate yourself on Glasgow Coma scale.
Were you not originally disputing the coma of Dr Eben on arrival at the hospital?

I am at least happy everyone has seen how you are frantically clutching to straws....
You guys try so hard to live in denial
You guys failed massively on this one.

Shut up! I just gave a newspaper report that listed somethings they said were lies on the doctor's part.

The doctor claimed he was brain dead. The fact it he wasn't because nobody supported his claim. Even the doctor that treated him said it's not true. Your only objection to that is a blog post that couldn't provide any evidence at all.

701ecilana:
He can't bare his fangs because his cohorts are hiding under Nairaland leafs hoping you'd go away.

Oh My God Dr Spacetacular must be very busy, she hasn't been here.
They fear her.

We once had a lion here, 4evergod/Damogul. (I pray and hope he comes back). That guy tore at them. Dr Space is not even doing enough. It's now that he has left that i see how terrified the atheists/Satanists were of him. They can't stop seeing him in every strong Moniker.

Just watch it, they will start calling you Damogul very soon. Damogul Mogulled them

When Space came newly, the said she was Damogul, at one point they even said my other moniker was Damogul.

That guy terrifies them. I know they will be secretly thanking God he left and hoping he never come back, but am fasting and praying for him to return and send them squaring off to their holes.

Shebi you claimed that his mother lives in his apartment. The mother he claimed is Ukrainian and has died. Ehwu.

felixomor:
Lmao
Just as predicted by butterflylion

Shut up. Glasgow coma has never been the bone of contention. The bone of contention was that he was brain dead but could still do things despite being brain dead. Doctors said he wasn't brain dead. The doctor that treated him also said he wansnt brain dead. Just show us any doctor apart from him that claimed or agreed that he was brain dead instead of shouting Glasgow abi na Edinburgh.

felixomor:
Please who is the "expert" liar that disagreed with his published Glasgow coma score?

What has Glasgow coma got to do with anything. Mention one person that even mentioned any glasgow coma. He claimed he was brain dead but was able yo experince something even while brain dead and others disagreed . Whhich one is Glasgow?