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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 6:30am On Aug 13, 2017*

butterflylion:
You really need to stop this dreadful habit of calling people liars with your first words. It's a very bad and distasteful habit.

If you had read the links I posted you would not have posted this trash when the link I posted already showed your links as trash and discredited the content of your link already due to the well known dishonest nature of the writer of your link.

Read this from my link which clearly showed that the very first comments on yours reveal your level of inability to observe truthfully and accept truth when it is revealed.

And what of the other allegations insinuated or leveled at Eben Alexander? He deserves to have his side of these cases heard as well. Dr. Alexander’s 25-year neurosurgical career included over 4,000 surgeries. Luke Dittrich does not have a good track record with the truth with respect to Eben Alexander: one cannot trust Dittrich's portrayal of the facts.

The most serious of the cases Dittrich cites, that Dr. Alexander altered medical records in a case of wrong-level spine surgery, similarly distorts the truth, according to Dr. Alexander. The patient in question had excellent relief of his symptoms after Dr. Alexander's surgery, delaying Alexander’s discovery that surgery had been performed at an unintended level.

Dr. Alexander corrected the record to reflect the newly learned facts of the case, and disclosed the surgical error to all parties after follow up revealed a genuine surgical benefit. After full investigation by three state medical boards and the American Board of Neurological Surgeons, Dr. Alexander continued to practice medicine without restriction, with his board certification intact.

That is clearly written in the link I posted. Let me post it again and maybe this time you would read it and see how actual investigative journalism is done and how truth was unravelled.

http://iands.org/ndes/more-info/ndes-in-the-news/970-esquire-article-on-eben-alexander-distorts-the-facts.html

I will not stop calling people liars as long as they keep telling lies. He was an out of work doctor that decided to use his imaginary ideas and write a book that will fetch him money. Did you even bother to read the book he wrote and the nonsense ideas he espoused and wrote about? I don't even want to dwell on the claims and counter claims from his team and those against him. His book alone shows he is nuts. Just read his book.

In his book Dr Eben Alexender claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven.He claimed he was shown all that in heaven. He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" than ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talked about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually because it has more evil in it bla bla bla. If we are to agree with his tales then any of the other universes has people in them and anyone who had committed any sin would need a saviour. Would God also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more than once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades as the bible claims ? Dr Alexender also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions?

Does it line up with what is written in the bible? Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff he wrote about, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Do you believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim? Read his book and laugh. All his positions and ideas are totally unbiblical. Just some science fiction ideas you'll expect from a nerd. The man is a liar.

He is no different from people like Rebecca Brown and Robert Liardon. Lairdon claimed to have died and went to heaven but was later discovered to be a liar for Jesus.
Rebecca Brown was a doctor in the United States who claimed she was having a spiritual battle with witches in her area, she sold many books she was later found to be schizophrenic. Her medical licence got revoked because of unethical claims & practices.

Robert Liardon wrote a book ' I saw heaven' with wild ideas akin to Dr Alexender's. Today he has lost all the reverence he had because he was found to be a homosexual after many denials and lying about it.
Lesson: Any body can write any book to make wild claims. A non- peer reviewed manuscript holds no value in the modern world!

Why is it that all these christians that claim they saw haven ALWAYS give veryyyyyyy different and contradictary accounts of what they claim to have seen? They never give the same account because they are all lying and talking about their imaginary conceptions.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 10:10pm On Aug 12, 2017

felixomor:
Did the bible say anything that eats sand is cursed?
Stop flogging yourself

Is that the misrepresentation?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 10:07pm On Aug 12, 2017

felixomor:
They misrepresented her testimony on dr eben

That already means they lied.
Simple.
Read the link pls

What did they misrepresent? Just state it. Misrepresentation could mean anything. Jut state specifically what they misrepresented and how se clarified it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 10:01pm On Aug 12, 2017

felixomor:
Please read the link
Dr Potter was contacted
And she claim she was "misrepresented" by Esquire magazine on Dr Eben's case....

Clear!

What did she say specifically? Just post what she said about the misrepresentation and what it was they misrepresented.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 9:55pm On Aug 12, 2017

felixomor:
Not so fast

This case was investigated and Esquire magazine (that you are quoting) LIED

Read.. :
http://skeptiko.com/220-esquire-proof-of-heaven-expose-debunked/

Butterflylion take note.

This guy thought he had found counter evidence
He went to quote a magazine that lied against the doctor who treated Dr Eben.

Yipee

What were the lies the magazine published against the doctor? Can you clearly outline just a few the way I did mine?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 9:06pm On Aug 12, 2017

felixomor:
Sorry you have presented no rebuttal yet.
And its quite obvious you haven't read the thread...

Do well to read.

Dr Eben Alexander is a liar, he is a liar who was just trying to use religious faith to make some cool cash by publishing a book based on lies and fiction.

Over the course of the past 12 years, he has apparently worked at three separate hospitals, but his employment has ended without explanation at each location. Here’s a sample surrounding his departure from one of the hospitals he once worked at:

In August 2003, UMass Memorial suspended Alexander’s surgical privileges “on the basis or allegation of improper performance of surgery.” (The specifics of the case leading to the suspension are confidential, though Alexander claims it resulted from “a very complex repeat operation I did around the brain stem of a patient in which the patient had more difficulty recovering after the operation I would say than I anticipated and than I led them to believe.”) His suspension technically ended in November of that same year, but he never went back to work at UMass Memorial. He resigned. The following year he did a little freelance consulting for the Gerson Lehrman Group, a company that matches corporations with experts in various fields, and also filed an unsuccessful lawsuit against the Brigham and Women’s Hospital, claiming it improperly withheld more than $400,000 of his retirement and deferred-compensation plans. He had been more or less out of work for fifteen months when, in March 2005, he received a letter from the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine asking him to respond to a complaint form they’d received from a former patient who was upset that Alexander had stopped responding to phone calls. Alexander wrote a letter back, explaining that the complaint was invalid because he was no longer practicing and that, furthermore, he would soon be leaving the state altogether.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

He was actually a Dr without a job until he devised a means to sell a lie using religious faith to make cool cash. All he is doing is what you and others do all the time, which is to tell lies for Jesus. Even he himself had had to change some of his stories when confronted by other experts.

*Esquire writer accuses famed doctor and author Dr. Eben Alexander of potentially embellishing story and leaving out key details
*Investigation shows alleged disparities in Alexander’s account of the afterlife as told in his book “Proof of Heaven” and by others familiar with the story
*Key personal details about Alexander’s background were withheld from the public, Esquire alleges
*ER doctor who treated the neurosurgeon gives contradictory account of events that unfolded at the hospital during Alexander’s near-death experience

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by dalaman: 5:12pm On Aug 12, 2017

The Eben Alexander case made news because it appeared on the cover of news week and generated a lot of buzz, the buzz and the controversy it created had investigators going around interview most of the parties involved and it was in the process he was discovered to have been lying, after the publication by Esquire Magazine challenging most of his claims, he himself went underground with his tale.This is old news. He has been debunked already.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/26/dr_eben_alexanders_so_called_after_life/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

In one of the book's most dramatic scenes, Dr. Laura Potter prepares Alexander to move from the ER to the ICU. In those final moments, after two straight hours of struggle—thrashing and guttural groans and wails—Eben Alexander grows quiet and shouts out, for everyone present to hear, "God, help me!" The doctors, nurses, his wife Holley and his neighbor Michael Sullivan, an Episcopal rector, rush to his stretcher, but Alexander remains completely unresponsive.

Dramatic, but it could not have happened. Dr. Potter has no recollection of the incident but she does remember that she intubated Alexander more than an hour before his departure from the ER. Could he have shouted anything, let alone something clearly heard? "No," she says.

He made a claim in his book while the doctor present there says he waas lying, it never happened

More.

Dr Eben Alexander is a liar for Jesus. . .he has already been debunked. . .

*Esquire writer accuses famed doctor and author Dr. Eben Alexander of potentially embellishing story and leaving out key details
*Investigation shows alleged disparities in Alexander’s account of the afterlife as told in his book “Proof of Heaven” and by others familiar with the story
*Key personal details about Alexander’s background were withheld from the public, Esquire alleges
*ER doctor who treated the neurosurgeon gives contradictory account of events that unfolded at the hospital during Alexander’s near-death experience

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

Dr Eben Alexander was an out of work doctor that was looking for money and saw an opportunity by narrating lies and selling it in a book.

When will christians STOP Lying for Jesus?

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Christianity Etc › Re: About The Idea Of Heaven And Eternal Bliss by dalaman: 5:29pm On Aug 11, 2017

DoctorAlien:
Angels were created with freewill.

According to who?

Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 11:36am On Aug 11, 2017*

KingEbukasBlog:
You keep repeating this nonsense . I have explained what it means . There is no Christian that even believes God does evil and repent from it . Only atheists . It shows who is making stuff up

You've not explained what it means. You've only refused to accept what was written inside the bible.

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you

Jeremiah 42:10

Here is your God doing evil and repenting from doing it. Like most christians you refuse to accept what is stated inside the bible.

As an atheist ,where is your foundation for morality ?

For the last time , understand the moral argument for the existence of God .

1. If objective moral values and duties God does not exist , God does not exist

2. Objective moral values and duties exist

3. Therefore , God exists .

Now if you still don't understand what objective moral values and duties are , don't bother responding .

The society is the foundation of my morality. Just like you and every other person. God has nothing to do with objective morality because your bible God has violated everything we consider to be morally objective. Read the bible. All his evil deeds are there.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 9:16am On Aug 11, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:
What did Jesus Christ (God Himself ) do Isn't it telling humans that he wants a personal relationship with them ?

Was it Jesus that told you about Jesus? When did Jesus tell you anything about himself personally and what did he tell you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 7:13am On Aug 11, 2017

hopefulLandlord:
there's a big difference between a god that exists and a god that wants people to know he exists, the difference is massive and we should not make the mistake of conflating the two

let's say I get home from an outing and neighbors said someone came to ask of me, I would be like "okay, who was this person?", they then wax lyrical about him and say he gave them $1M each, I then ask where their $1M is and they start giving excuses about me needing faith to see the money or I should believe he gave them the $1M before I can see the money

I would from then on not only doubt the visitor gave them any money but also doubt there was any visitor at all, I might think they're using the fact that I wasn't at home (gap in my knowledge) to make claims about what happened while I was not at home!

the god Christians talk about does not only exist, it is omniscient omnipotent omnipresent and omnibelevolent, if these properties were true we would all know of its existence, it wouldn't even be up for debate and the more we debate the existence of a god with these properties the more those arguing for him prove its nonexistence, this phenomena is not to be conflated with "backfire effect" cuz its definitely not, let's look at how arguing for this god proves its absolute nonexistence

1 omnipresent god is everywhere and with atheists, desists, agnostics etc right now

2 omniscient god knows what to do to convince them of his existence

3 omnipotent god can do that thing to convince them

4 a benevolent god would want to convince them

as we can see, such a god would not even require arguments at all for its existence if those properties are true, the fact that a god like that needs humans to tell us about him/her/it proves that such a god was created by man and not the other way around

what we have when Christians are challenged about the existence of their god are they quickly dumping that god, excluding those claims and running under the cover of some "first cause" without any claim which relies on gaps in knowledge instead or ask us to have faith first ala my hypothetical neighbours

Case closed. Imagine an omnipotent God that wants to be in a personal relationship with humans but still relies on very incompetent humans to deliver his message for him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 1:10am On Aug 11, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:
Evil actually points to the existence of God . Evil is the departure from good and God is the epitome of moral goodness . Without God , there wont be a foundation for calling anything evil .

You keep repeating this lie. Your God in the bible does evil and repents from it.

Are things good because God says they are or because humans say they are?

Is it right to marry 4 wives? Is it evil to marry 10 year old kids? Why or why not. Remember God has made all these things permissible in his final revealed book the Koran.

Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 1:04am On Aug 11, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir D , how far

I dey. Where is the historical evidence that Jesus lived died and ressurected?

Christianity Etc › Re: Help, I Want To Become An Atheist by dalaman: 12:53am On Aug 11, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't know what Christian god is . As a theist , I deify the First Cause/Necessary being/Sustainer and Container of all realities ( a conscious being ) , as a Christian I believe this conscious being revealed Himself to us in the person of Jesus whom according to history lived , died and resurrected .

Where are the historical evidence that Jesus lived, died and ressurected?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Was Not Even Willing To Die For The World Afterall by dalaman: 5:58pm On Aug 10, 2017

But they said Jesus is God na.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:09pm On Aug 10, 2017

tintingz:
Oh yeah the video exist in your laptop.

I really do not understand what they are on about. Of course there was a man behind the Jesus mythology. So what of Dawkins believe that Jesus existed. He clearly stated that he doesn't believe that Jesus was a divine figure and all the things attributed to him are mythological.

Christianity Etc › Re: About The Idea Of Heaven And Eternal Bliss by dalaman: 3:03am On Aug 10, 2017

DoctorAlien:
Man was created in a perfect world, but with freewill! That means that he could choose to obey or disobey GOD. Unfortunately he chose to disobey GOD. Creating man without the ability to choose voluntarily to love and obey GOD makes him a robot/machine.

However, those who would be in Heaven are those who have shown that they would permanently obey GOD with their freewill, come what may.(Rev. 12:11)

But even a third of the angels that were created without free will (Robots) decided to follow lucifer and rebel against God in a perfect heaven talk more of humans that have free will and are always and constantly struggling with sin according to the story.

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Christianity Etc › Re: About The Idea Of Heaven And Eternal Bliss by dalaman: 2:48am On Aug 10, 2017

HardMirror:
Heaven will fall again! There will be sin and rebellion in heaven!

Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!
As long as we would have free will in heaven, then get ready for rebellion!

HOW DO I KNOW?

In the very beginning before man was created. There was this angel, he was the most beautiful and incharge of music in heaven. Lucifer, the bright morning star, he was!

Guess what? At this time there was nothing ever called sin. Nothing knew how to sin.

YET Lucifer rose one day and decided to take oover from God, a 3rd of ALL the angels even decided to follow Lucifer. And a war broke out in heaven.

Now after some years of this rebellion, you would think the angels have learnt their lesson not to rebel against God. For where?
In the times of Noah, these sons of God looked down from heaven and saw that the women on earth were beautiful, so they started running away from heaven (heaven must be so boring) and came to earth to have good times with our ladies.

I am therefore convinced that we humans that are even more stubborn than angels will scatter heaven in no time. Remember that angels have no free will like we humans, yet they could turn against God. How much more we humans that have free will?

So obvious God is not that terrifying, for the angels to not have respect or fear him and allow their penis make them leave heaven and not care about God's anger.

Think deeply about this

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Christianity Etc › Re: About The Idea Of Heaven And Eternal Bliss by dalaman: 2:45am On Aug 10, 2017

HardMirror:
Jesus death Rubbish and uselessness
Yes, you read that right! The death of Jesus is absolute rubbish.

So God Soooooooo loved the world, yet the best he could do was send a single jesus to die and make it compulsory to believe in jesus before we can have eternal life? Hmmmm....

So while jesus was busy dying in Jerusalem, with the africans, south americans, australian aborigines asians totally unaware of a jew in jerusalem supposedly dying for the sins of the world world.

It would take hundreds of years for the gospel to reach many parts of the world even after jesus died. So what was happening to the millions of people dying everyday without even knowing Jesus ever existed?

It should have been, "for God so loved the Jews of Jerusalem..." Not the Whole world.

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Christianity Etc › Re: About The Idea Of Heaven And Eternal Bliss by dalaman: 2:37am On Aug 10, 2017

johnydon22:
This is just how myth goes!.

Satan was once an angel in a perfect heaven then evil grew within him.
-Therefore heaven wasn't perfect in the first place.

then he rebelled and got thrown out.
-even protests, coups, revolutions and rebellions takes place in heaven too.. Hmmm heaven is simply a copy of earthly politics.

And then he was sent to earth out of countless planets in the cosmos.
-Cool story

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 3:20pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Ask Jack bizzle and even seun,
They believe Mark is pretending because of politics....
There are even others who said it here on that famous thread......

Your argument is dead once again ...

You are lying on them as usual. Mr lie lie.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 3:16pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Dullardmama,
Do u have anything more meaningful left?
So that I can adress more sensible comments?

If so, make it quick

Felixmoron. How can you ever address anything?

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 3:14pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
I told you before, even God never called Himself Yahweh
You keep repeating foolishness...

Kwantinue

You can't name one person that claims Zuckerberg is an atheist.

God called himself Allah. It's inside the Koran his revealed book.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 3:09pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
DullardMama and DullardPapa

Pristine!

Felixmoron.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 3:08pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Sharrap please
So also, and likewise because some people believe Zuckerberg is an atheist when media says he is not, it means their Zuckerberg is different...ba..

Carry your simpleness away, please.

Name one person that claims Zuckerberg is an athiest.

Is God Obatala that created the first man in Ile ife the same God as Yahweh that created the first man in the garden of Eden?

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:59pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
By renouncing your type of foolishness.
Simple

Felixmumu.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:55pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
I am sure your English name you is different also from your native name you...
They both have conflict also....
Wow, your logic is really good

He clearly gave you their differences he even stated their different creation stories as an example yet you chose to ascribe it to name only. So Yaweh that created Adam in the garden of Eden is the same as Obatala that started creation in Ille Ife with Oduduwa? According to you the only difference btw Jesus God and Dai lama God is name. Worst of all is that you still use logic in the same sentence. Wow!

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:47pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Even worse
Open your brain,
Try harder

How does one open his brain ? Felixmumu.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:46pm On Aug 08, 2017

tintingz:
Allah is different from Yahweh, Olorun the yoruba God is different from Chukwu, Allah or Yahweh.

All personal Gods in every religion are different from each other.

Don't bother. He already knows. Just displaying his felixmoron credentials.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:43pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Doesnt rhyme
Try harder

Felixmoron rhymes more.

Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome Called Sinach To Sing To Lady On Wheelchair, "She Got Healed" by dalaman: 2:16pm On Aug 08, 2017

These crazy people don come again.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by dalaman: 2:11pm On Aug 08, 2017

felixomor:
Quiet there,
Still trying to justify the ignorance....
Mscheww

Felixmumu.

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