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felixomor:
Sorry, i didnt.
You were the one who started calling yourself blockheaded because you couldnt a simple question.

You did.

felixomor:
Argumentum ad hominem.
The hope for idiots who get exposed with a simple question.
Typical.

Why are you crying?

Just google "types of deism".
Examples are gnostic deism, pandeism, pagan deism etc.
I will not continue to list them, because u will use it to escape the simple question thrown at you.
Which you are yet to answer.

Deism is a relatively new philosophy that started not too long ago. It basically states that there is a God that created the universe and doesn't interneve in it. It is very different from theism. Theism is not a single set of belief. So you can not ask me who started theism because it is not a single set of belief. You can only ask who started a particular type of theism.

Sorry he did.
He told people to walk in his footsteps.
You dont need to "write" to invent anything.

Who is Jesus without the early Church fathers? Everything, the whole story was made up by the early Church fathers. If not for them there won't be any Jesus stories anywhere. They wrote down those stories many years after Jesus allegedly died. The first gospel that was ever written was the gospel of Mark, and it was anonymously written about 40 years after Jesus died until the early church fathers decided to name it the book of Mark. They chose all the books of the new testament and named them, theybalso formed the christian theology. Without them there will be no Jesus story in the first place. You only know about the Jesus stories because of them not because of any Jesus himself, because Jesus did not write down anything and was not a known figure during his time. The first story that was written about him came decades later by unknown people.

He didnt have to.
His life and commands were the way.

His life and commands ad was told by the early Church fathers. Without them there will be no Jesus stories.

Please go and educate yourself.
There are more than 5 secular historians, outside the bible who wrote on the life of Jesus Christ.
Please educate yourself on that.
Jesus was a known man even in the secular world.
Dont distort history with your fabrications.[quote]

It is a lie. No secular historian wrote anything about the life of Jesus during his time. Only one person called Josephus was alleged to have writ tell a few sentences about the life of Jesus years after he died and it has been shown to be a frogery and an interpolation by Eusebius one of the church fathers. Apart from the fraud of Josephus who are the other secular historians that wrote about the life of Jesus and what did they write about him? List their names and what they write about his life.

Lies again. @ bolded.
Even secular Chroniclers wrote on Jesus Christ.

List their names and what they wrote about his life. Only Josephus was alleged to have written a few sentences about Jesus and that has been shown to be a forgery even by Christians.

No communication received.

It is expected after your hypocrisy has been exposed.

I listed some above and even there are many more subtypes.
Use your google.

In summary, only a simple line question,
Has eventually turned to long stories as usual.
And u throwing back questions.
Just as I always predicted.

Asking me who invented theism is a blockedheaded question. Theism isn't a single entity. It is a set of entities within a group. Asking me who invented theism is like asking me who invented food. Food isn't a single thing. State the theism and I'll tell you when it was invented. The theism you were indoctrinated with was invented about 2000 years ago by the early Church fathers who used the Jesus character to establish the new theistic religion, just as Mohammed and his cronies invented their about 1400 years ago.

felixomor:
From ad hominem to red herrings.

You used ad hominem as well so why are you crying?

The question is simple.
Your pretence is failing woefully.
There are also different types of deism, but u were able to pinpoint how it started.
But when it came to "theism"
You became fixated on "types" all of a sudden.

You are only deceiving yourself.

What are the types of deism? List them. Theism vary a lot. Polytheism is very different from monotheism and it matters a lot. Theism is not a single set of belief. Am suprised at your blockheadedness.

Unfortunately, common sense failed you here.
That Christianity is based on the man, Jesus.
However, its a red herring from u.
In attempt to cover the ignorance of thw question asked u.

Jesus did not invent christianity. Jesus never wrote down any story about himself. He never wrote down any book about himself. Unknoqn people many years after he died started writing down stories about him which the early Church fathers later ascribes names to, put together in a cannon through vtoes, created a creed and invented doctrines based on the stories of a character which they called Jesus. You wouldn't have known anything about Jesus if not for the unknown author of Mark that wrote down the first gospelabout 40 years after Jesus allegedly died and other authors of the gospels like.Luke and Mathew copied from him, sometimes verbatim. Which book dd Jesus write? Which doctrine did he invent like the Trinity?

Ad hominems,
Typical



Still the only way idiots can continue conversation, so as to appear intelligent.

Hypocrisy at its best.

The pretense is still strong.
You told us who first started deism without getting fixated On "types"
You are only deceiving yourself throwing ad hominems because you are trying hard to defend your first ignorant statement.

What are the types of deism?

felixomor:
Argumentum ad hominem.
The hope for idiots who get exposed with a simple question.
Typical.

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

Nobody asked u about types
I asked who first started it
And when.
My question was based on time and not "types".
Use your dictionary

Who started what type of theism? Is it Islam, Ifa, Hinduism, ancient Greek religion or what? Which theism are you talking about?

Even with google by your side you spew that type of bold ignorance @ bolded above ?^^^^

The early Church fathers invented Christianity, without them you won't have the new testament as it is. The various creeds and doctrines were all invented by them.

Nobody asked you about this.
My question remains, who started it first?

Who started what? You are asking a bock headed question. There are different typea of theism and all were started and invented at different times by different people.

Again, a diversion. Typical Red Herring.
My question; who started it first

Stop asking me blockheaded questions.

Sorry, you are the only pretender here who is pretending not to understand a simple question,
"Who started it first?"

Again stop asking who started it. It's a blockheaded question.

felixomor:
Please who were the first to invent it?
And when?

That's why I said you are blockheaded. There are different types of theism. If you name a particular type then I can tell you who invented it. For example the early Church fathers invented christianity. They chose the books that formed the new testament, they formulated the stories, they formulated the creed, created the doctrines and passed it down.

For Islam it was Mohammed and his cronies.

Name the type of theism and you will be shown the people that invented it, created the doctrines and traditions and on and on. You will pretend not to understand what am saying and will move forward and ask me another blockheaded question.

felixomor:
Theism was already existing before Mohammed's forefathers.
Please tell us the origin of theism itself just as u did in detail for deism.

Mohammed invented his own type of theism. The founders of christianity also invented their own type of theism, just like the founders of Hinduism invented their own type of theism. Long before them the ancient Egyptians, Grewks and Romans also invented their own type of theism. There are different types of theism and all are man made inventions. Just recently someone invented scientology another form of theism. If you know any form of theism that wasn't created by men, go ahead and bring it forward.

felixomor:
Yes, just as u gave the history of the men that started deism.
You are the one being blockheaded not to understand what you wrote by yourself.

So many men have started theistic religions(Polytheism and monotheism ). We don't have to go far. Prophet Mohammed and his cronies invented a theistic religion called Islam.

felixomor:
@ bolded above.
Cant u see that your the only blockhead who cant even remember what you earlier said?

You never cease to behave drunk.

I said men created these philosophies. I gave you an example with deism. Now you are asking me to give you the history of the man that started theism. What type of blockheadededness is that?

felixomor:
Good
So now that you have shown that deism is man made.
And even highlighted the history of its origin. Good

Please, also kindly show how theism is man made.
And also tell us the history of the man who made theism.

You are blockheaded. How can you as me to tell you the history of the man that made theism.

Theism is just a belief system. There are different types of theism. There is the monotheism and the polytheism . I will ask you a simple question. Would started Islam? What about scientology another form of theism? Who started these two theistic religions?

KingEbukasBlog:
You posted an excerpt of an article that clearly stated that deism gained prominence during the Age of Enlightenment ,yet you went ahead and said that it was created during that same period ? Haba na !

Deism (Classical Deism ) was developed around the 5th and 6th century BC but gained prominence during the Age of Enlightenment . I'm not sure why you are intransigent about your view that deism is a man made invention , of course it is ; It is a created concept of God , but how does this stop God from existing ?

Anytime you have problems understanding what concepts of God are , always remember the artificial-complex-system-on-another-planet analogy .

Just wanted to show felixomor that deism is a man made created concept.

I like your honesty and clarity when it comes to accepting issues.

KingEbukasBlog:
Signature or no signature ; God choosing to reveal Himself or not , it does mean the universe is not created . With your logic , a paper plane made by a toddler isn't actually created because the toddler didn't sign his signature ? Oga D , you are better than this na

I repeat, according to you guys God wants people to know that he created the universe. Why isn't there any signature of ownership anywhere? Even among the God believers every body is claiming that his or her own version of God alone created the universe. The deist are saying it's there's, pantheist and the various versions of theist. I am not saying that the universe has no creator or creators. What am saying is that nobody knows. If you do then show us the incontrovertible evidence. Did Yahweh create the earth? Tell us how he did it. You claimyou communicate with him. Talk to him and tell us how exactly he created the earth. Use Yahweh alone an explain all the thingswe don't know about the earth's creation. Like how the earth's core is still in a molten state.

This is called the anthrocentric fallacy : you surmise or presuppose that aliens would behave like humans and indite their signatures on their creations as a way of showing ownership of properties .

Why wouldn't they? Being intelligent already shows that the posses some human attributes.

The Law of Conversation of Energy was violated at the beginning of the universe( I thought you knew this) . All of space , matter , energy began to exist during Big Bang. If the universe completely expends its usable energy it would become defunct .

Continuous transformation of the universe ad infinitum obviously betokens infinite regress ( from infinity to infinity) and infinite regress is totally illogical . That's why the First Cause/God which is immutable (changeless) , beginless is clearly logical .



Oga D , I'm clearly having fun with your tenuous rebuttals .

Firstly the big bang is only a scientific assumption. It is not a fact. Secondly the universe can not become defunct. It can no cease to exist and become empty or nothing. It hasn't been theorized. Are you saying that the universe will someday cease to exist?

Why are Nigerian hospitals like this na?

KingEbukasBlog:
The argument is for a created universe ; if the universe was created by a single entity or more than entities it does not change the fact that it was created .

God obviously does not resemble humans in form and in mind so I'm not sure why you want a signature

But according to you guys, God wants people to know that he created the universe. The best way for people to know that is to have his signature available so that people will know for sure that it was created by him and not some other Gods or phenomena.

I've always used this analogy and you seem to flounder with it : if we should discover an artificial complex system in another planet , the only explanation for the existence of this artificial system is that it was intelligently designed . Simple . We can create speculations that it was done by a single alien or many aliens . Then with the level of complexity we can deduce how intelligent the designer(designers) of this artificial system is . We can also deduce other properties or attributes of the designer(designers) of the discovered artificial system.

Its simple. Do the aliens want humans to know about them and their created artificial system? If they do they will leave indicators.

And that is how the deists made their conclusion that God exists with the use of logic , science*the study of nature) and observation .

Then in the case of theism :

Scientists on planet earth could claim that these aliens contacted us and made some remarkable revelations about itself or themselves to us . And if you look closely so many deductions that were made by another group of scientists who simply described the designer by studying the design which is artificial complex system would correlate with the revelations gotten through the contact made with the alien or aliens .


You can see similarities with deism and theism : God is eternal , immutable , changeless , omnipotent , omniscient , necessarily existing and so many other correlations about the attributes of God .

In short , the only logical explanation for the universe is God aka transcendent conscious creator . The universe cannot be eternal without the coexistence with its creator which ensures continual intervention with the affairs of the universe . The universe does not have what it takes to be eternal on its own because of what is called usable energy . The universe could also collapse if it continues for a really long time . Everything sine qua non for the existence of life can only come from an intelligent designer . We can make speculations about the attributes of this designer but it does not stop Him from existing

There is no scientific consensus on the status of the universe being eternal or not. The universe is energy and energy can neither be created or destroyed. Where then did you get your hypothesis of the universe collapsing? Will it ceases to exist afree collapsing or will it transform into something else?

Oya time to pretend like you don't understand so we can argue till either of us gets tired of the argument .

You aren't making any convincing arguments.

felixomor:
You made claims, instead of backup with evidence
At the same time, u r asking me questions.

Typical.

Let's just take one of them and have a look at it.

Deism is a man made concept.

From wikipedia:

Deism (/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/ dee-iz-əm [1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/ day-iz-əm) (derived from Latin "deus" meaning "god" is a philosophical position which posits that a god does not interfere directly with the world. [/b]It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge with the conclusion that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator of the universe.[3][4][5][6][7] [8]
[b]
Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States. Typically, these had been raised as Christians and believed in one God, but they had became disenchanted with organized religion and orthodox teachings such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy, and the supernatural interpretation of events, such as miracles.[9] Included in those influenced by its ideas were leaders of the American and French Revolutions.[10]


From the above entry we can see that deism is a philosophical position created by men during the age of enlightenment who rejected organized religion and created their own philosophy out of it.

IF YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT IT ID NOT A MAN MADE INVENTION THEN BRING IT FORWARD.

felixomor:
Another set of claims without evidence @ bolded

It continues piling up.

What is deism, pantheism and theism?

KingEbukasBlog:
We have discussed these so many times . The deists reject religious concepts of God be it Yahweh , Allah and what have you alongside religious books including the bible , koran , etc . So calling accounts of creation in those religious books including the acts of God 'mythical' does not actually support your reason for rejecting God's existence - the deists actually say the same thing yet they acknowledge the existence of God

Are you a deist? The deist does not even make many claims as to the origin of the universe on average. Most deist just claim that God/ Gods created the universe and that's all there is to it. Ask any deist to describe the nature of God/Gods and most will just go quiet. They only believe that the universe was create by somethings and it ends there. What those things are, they have no idea, their nature and how they operate remains unknown or undefined. The deist God is something that has no complete description or definition.

The Reality is that no one knows ? Yet you are an atheist ? Please be serious sir . Being an atheist means you claim that the universe is eternal or it created itself (there is nothing else to add here : it is not a false dilemma either ) . If no one knows and you became an atheist , then in the same vein I have every right to be a theist . . We all know that from nothing comes nothing .

I have never made any claim about the universe. Moody knows if the universe is eternal or not. All we have are different hypothesis and explanations. We don't have irrefutable fact to support any position. My position is that no one knows how the universe came about and that is the fact. Even the bible let which is the word of your God can not tell us how the universe came about. The failed attempt inside the book remains an embarrasment to the christians. They refuse to accept it and claim it's an allegory. No theist can tell us how the universe began and when. The deist can not tell us how the universe began. The pan theist can not, the atheist also can not. What they can all do is throw various assumptions around. Non can factual demonstrate anything.

Again sir , an eternal universe does not preclude the existence of God . The panentheist believe that God is the soul of the universe and that the is Its material manifestation i.e the universe is part of God's essence . Creatio ex materia - a concept of creation - also supports the coexistence of eternal matter and God .

In short , you have no point sir .

Are you a pantheist? Can the pantheist explain to us how this God created life with objective evidence? You keep supporting my osition that God is a man made idea and concept. So far you have touched on 3 different man made God ideas which are deism, theism and pantheism. All these concepts and ideas are man made.

Men created deism, theism and pantheism, all to help them explain away the universe they found them selves inside.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are making my point sir . I don't know how God created the earth''s magnetic field but it does not mean He did not . Do you know how your device was manufactured and how the system works ? Just like over 2 months ago I learnt how iPhone's touchpad work - how the characters are able to appear on the screen while we type . But prior to this time , my ignorance of this does not mean Apple never developed the iPhone .

All I'm saying is : the universe has a creator which is a being who is conscious and eternal . I could be oblvious of how He caused and orchestrated everything sine qua non for the existence and evolution of the universe but this does not mean the universe has no creator

I repeat, saying that the universe has only one creator remains your own assumption. You do not know you are only assuming.

You claim you know and communicate with the creators of the universe but you can not communicate with this creator and ask it anything about how he created the universe. Are you truly communicating with the entity that created the universe or are you only imagining your self to be communicating with the entity?

The universe as it is has no signature of any God anywhere. The Apple INC has its signature all over the Iphone which clearly indicates that the company is its manufacturer.

Where on this earth is Yahweh's signature as opposed to Allah and Brahma for example?

You can not use your God alone to explain anything as regards to the creation of the universe. You can only use your God to make wild assumptions. How do you jump from the universe having a creator to saying that this creator came into planet earth as a human being in a tiny country in the middle east and died for the sins of humanity 2000 years ago and left no trace or evidence besides stories that sone people decoded to write about 40 years after the alleged event? Do you know what the universe is?

Again, I want you to communicate with your God and ask him why he created the earth's inner core with liquid iron and nickle and how that helps the earth's magnetic field in repelling solar flares and it's radiation. If you can use God alone and explain most things about the earth then we will agree that you know what you are talking about since your Gods signature can not be found in any part of the earth or universe.

KingEbukasBlog:
It is a 2-way communication in some way but it is not a conversation( you can converse with God though but I've not attained that level yet like I said) . God communicates with us through a plethora of means - the bible , logic , reason , divine revelation , miracles , prophets etc . Its left for you to decipher the message in some cases .

It is not a two way communication since you don't get feed back from the other party. It's not even communication at all bit imaginations. Why will a God that is interested in having a personal relationship with you use a third party like a prophet to talk to you? If a God wants to.communicate with you why not use clear cut miracles? Give me an objective example of a communication between you and God that can not be mistaken for any other thing but God. An example that any one that sees it will know that it is God and nothing else.

KingEbukasBlog:
You don't know the origin of universe but you are certain that is was not caused to exist by an eternal creator or it has a creator at all

You do not know if the universe had many creators. You do not know. You only assume based on the religion that you were indoctrinated with that the universe has a single creator. That remains an assumption. I might not know what 47352746252*62514172828838 is but I know that it can never be 89. I know that Yahweh did not create the universe because he has already told us how he created the universe inside the bible. That is not how our universe as we know it came about. Most christians have ran away from it saying that it's just an allegory ONLY because it doesn't match the reality we see around us. Yahweh did not create the universe that we know. The one he created is a mythical one that is found inside the bible. The universe might have a creator or many creators but so far they haven't made any sign that they want humans living on earth to know about them and their identity. I don't know is the true and hones position. I repeat saying that the universe has a single creator remains an assumption on your part.

Mbok , explain how atheism makes any paucity of sense because this is certainly ludicrous

What is actually ludicrous is believing that the creator of the universe came down to the middle east thousands of years ago to fight with humans in various battles ot the other nonsense thrash written inside the bibl many of which you yourself do not accept but just tweak it and give it your own meaning outside the intent of the original writers. I have seen you many times refuse to accept what is written inside the bible, you change the original messag, give it your own meaning just to make sense out of ridiculous absurdity.

If something has an origin , then its either it was caused to exist by another thing or it created it self . The latter OBVIOUSLY is a logical absurdity then we are left it was created by something . But as an ATHEIST , you are saying there is no creator .... right ?

The universe could be eternal no body knows. Nobody has demonstrated that the universe is NOT eternal. Even among the scientific community there are different theories and NO consensus. We only have various hypothesis. There is no scientific consensus on origin sciences only speculations and hypothesis.

We don't know what created the universe. We can only speculate. The REALITY is that no one knows. Not, me, not you, not the person that wrote down the Genesis creation myth, Noth the person that wrote down the creation myth in the Koran, Hindu Verdes or the Yoruba creation myth, not the scientific community. That is the FACT of the matter.

If you insist that you God alone created the planet earth then use God alone and tell me how he created the earth's magnetic field. Let's start from there.

KingEbukasBlog:
Just like the way you avoid saying which side you are on origin sciences and evolution ? You just try to be elusive in other to avoid being ridiculed right ?

We all know atheists thrive on criticism and mockery , no need to share my experiences with you . Its much better , way better , that you experience these things yaself .

I have a position on origin science and the position is that it is not convincing enough for me so I disbelieve it. My position on the true position of the origin of the universe and origin of life is that I DON'T KNOW.

We can only speculate, no one truly knows.

There is nothing to experience any where. You claim you communicate with God I asked you if it is a two way thing you said no, but you still insist you communicate with God. Is that not delusion at its finest?

KingEbukasBlog:
na true talk be dat oo

You know very well that you are just talking about something that is nonsensical that's why. Going into details will only expose the delusion that's why you are running away from further probe.

KingEbukasBlog:
You can only understand better with experience . These things are not for the carnal mind to decipher .

Hahahaha. This man, you don come again oo.

KingEbukasBlog:
@Dalaman Sir D , I no run away na .This was my reply .

Your reply was just a copout. You claim you communicate with God. I asked you a simple question and you decided the best thing is to run away from it. Why na?No be so oo.

KingEbukasBlog:
Ignorance is a disease .

You ran away without answering as usual.
How does God respond to your request? Give me an example of God's response to you that you know can not be any other phenomenon but God. Shebi yubsaid you communicate with God. How do you communicate with him. Do you know what it means to communicate?

KingEbukasBlog:
This atheist is back after he left this section about 2 years ago. And still profusely spewing garbage as he did then .

What is the garbage? Why is there sin if Jesus died for the sin of the world according the mythology?

In the Legend Yahweh even destroyed the earth with a flood because of sin but after the destruction humans continued to sin. Does that make any sense?

Wherr is the scammer naijadeyhia abi na foreverGod? Where did he run to? The half Ukrainian that looks just like me.

sunnyeinstein:
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kingsouthie:
...according to the tale he was crucified by MEN, not God

The tale said he was sacrificed by God not men.

It's nothing but human sacrifice . According to the tale God sacrificed himself unto himself.

Islam is a dangerous religion because of the hate it holds towards the unbelievers.