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malvisguy212:
do atheists believe heaven and hell exist ? no, has any atheist been dead before ,who came back to life and claim there is no afterlife ? no, but still atheist believe there is no afterlife. this is giant leap of faith . I admirer this faith. why will you jeopardise your eternity on this ?

Joepardize which eternity? The promise of an afterlife for the believers is just a feel good give away to make them feel special, in reality it is nothing but a scam.

The point of eternal punishment is so the gullible can feel superior. Heaven wouldn't be special if people who did NOT accept Jesus into their heart also got to live in a paradise for eternity. It only makes the believer to feel special and nothing more.

If you turn down the offer of the believer and refuse to accept his stories, the believer can feel smug in believing that you'll be punished for turning him down.

That's why believers treat those that do not accept their mythologies like idiots, to buff themselves up. If they were as empathic as their advertising would suggest, they'd feel sad about your choice, not superior.

Following.

Evangkatsoulis:
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Sir(as an atheist now) what did you mean by the bolded?
I want to understand how the christian brain works.

It was just my mind acting or following patterns that it was indoctrinated with and made to accept as supernatural events or occurance.

felixomor:
Bro, they picked on homosexuality,
So i decided to teach them.

Teach them what exactly? I can't see what you are teaching them. Don't teach them nonsense oo.

adepeter26:
LOL.

Felix n'a emeritus in medicine o-o

Felix is an imaginary doctor.

felixomor:
Bro, homosexuality is linked with many diseases.
Use your google.
Its not an argument.

Heterosexuality is also linked with many diseases as well so what's your point?

AlanTuringAI:
Homosexuality is allowed in Iceland yet HIV prevalence there isn't even more than 2% but here in Nigeria and other African countries where homosexuality is openly banned and frowned at, the rate of infection is very much on the high side. This simply means your statement is illogical and holds no water. We should stop fooling ourselves in this part of the world.

The prevalence rate of HIV in Iceland is below 0.5 percent. It's not even up to 1 percent.

sonofthunder:
like I said earlier you jump quickly into conclusions, it appears you are very close minded.
The writer wrote as he was shown and the narrative points to an earth point of view.
Regarding the firmaments or no firmaments, have you taken out time to study other planets or ancient earth through books, documentaries? then you wouldn't be jumping into conclusions with out objectively analysing what you have. Besides you don't even have anything to weight it against (according to you).

We know the history of how the writing came about but that's beside the point.

The writer was shown what? The writer was shown how God was speaking light into existence? Or how he made the vegetations? He was shown how God placed the starts in the firmament or what exactly?

What is a firmament and how are the stars , moon and sun placed inside this elusive firmament?

blueAgent:
See excuse,Atheists do not believe in Evolution.

Its not an excuse. Am an atheist and I don't believe in evolution. Many christians believe in evolution. The Catholic church says evolution is true and creationism isn't. The popes aid God isn't a magician and he used the evolutionary process to create.

HCpaul:
God created just a single planet in the universe according to Genesis 1 : 1.

Better still, if the christian still claim that God created all the planets In the universe then that proves that God does not have a master plan and purpose for creating those planets.

Why will earth be the only planet that supports life when other planets don't. That clearly shows that the universe was not intelligently made because there is no intelligent designer that will choose to make waste resources by making impractical designs and models.

It's like a man having 9 universities and only choose to offer admission or probably admits students in only one institution, leaving the other 8 aside.

Then what is the purpose of building the other 8 institutions in the first place
That's purposeless and useful and vast enormous resources can't be entrusted into the hands of such a man.

God (Yahweh) is like the above man whom the Christians claim the responsibility of the universe birth for. He created billions of planets and decided to inearth folly creatures on the planet earth alone. God spend 24 hours focusing and diverting all attentions to earth, directing our fate and out of negligence unintelligently jeopardizing other planets.

I believe in accidental cause and not even intelligent cause on the origin of the universe.

Accidental cause accidentally simulates intelligent laws, that govern the behaviour of nature and the universe. The Big Bang itself must have betides and detonated as a result of an accidental explosion and must have been caused by an accidental cause. What an erratic and extemporaneous chance and happenstance for the universe birth.

A claim that there is an intelligent designer is a consummation of the Christian cursory panorama on life issues and the observable universe. This is because we are living in a dangerous and uncaring universe that harbor good and bad. The notion of crummy circumstances shouldn't have been the architectural handiwork and invention of any intelligent designer.

Excellent. According to the mythology God created the stars, sun and moon and placed them in a firmament to give light to the earth and govern day and night.

Are the sun, moon and stars placed in any firmament?

sonofthunder:
fixed... That would be difficult to put a permanent conclusive note on given the info we have. But we know that the first thing created (without giving reference to Genesis 1:1; which is even wrong) is light. Don't you think the firmament/whatever-was-above had to give way for us to know what type of light?
there's no conclusive evidence that God was just creating said lights but points more that God was giving whatever light 'jurisdiction' to operate, to express their glory to his creations and in that accomplishing their purpose.

What are you saying? Firmement had to give way for who to see what? Does it tell.you that there were human beings at that time? So which way was this elusive and mythical firmament giving for whom to see clearly? Who were the people observing the sun and stars? Can you name them from the bible?

The bible clearly said that the sun moon and starts were created on the 5th day of creationand you are here spinning it and trying to explain absurdity away. What is a firmament by the way? The bible says the sun, moon and stars are placed in the firmament to give light to the earth and sepertes day and night. What kind of nonsense is this? Are the sun moon and stars placed in any firmament?

It's very clear that the ancients that wrote this know nothing about the stars.

They even attempt to explain how vegetations were formed. They said created the vegetation in a day. The erths vegetation cane about over millions of years and is still evolving.

sonofthunder:
I think you are too quick to jump into conclusions...
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In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.(A)
2The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light; and there was light.

4And God saw that the light was good (suitable, pleasant) and He approved it; and God separated the light from the darkness.(B)
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I don't see the creation of plants b4 verses 3/4 ..

On which day of creation were the soon, moon and stars created?

KingEbukasBlog:
What is an entity ? What is a single entity?

A single being or what ever you chose to label it.

malvisguy212:
you don't know but it cannot be God. are you so sure that God did not create the university ?

At least your God described how he created the universe in the bible and his role in it. It fails completely.

sonofthunder:
and the biblical evidence/inclination is false because?

It gets it totally wrong. For example it says that the earth and plants were already in existence before the sun and the starts were created among other nonsense.

CatfishBilly:
And God said, let there be matter and there was matter.

God spoke matter into existence using the Hebrew language.

sonofthunder:
how did the universe come about sir?

I don't know.

blueAgent:
When will you and other Atheists give us Evidence of past or present Evolution,or give us the chemical equation or step by step breakdown of the Abiogenesis process.
When will you Atheists tell us how Matter and Energy came into existence from nothing or how a motionless,thoughtless,and lifeless force gave birth to the entire Universe.

Pls am waiting.

As much as it pains you, but many atheist don't beleive in evolution. These are scientific postulations not atheistic ones. The Catholic church for example accepts evolution as the process their God used to create the diversity of life and living things we see around us.

I do not know how Matter came about. You claim you do so why don't you tell us?

CyrusTheGreat:
If you are willing to kill people over fairytales then you are a deranged lunatic, just like the Saudi psychopaths who took the life of this innocent man. Bleep your god and Bleep the hadith.

He was just being sarcastic. True2god is a christian and a rabidly anti Islam.

Ishilove:
Don't flatter yourself. I 'went silent' because I have more important things to do offline than respond to useless challenges that doesn't profit me. You are the biggest liar here, Hardmirror, with your mindbloggling fables. Anyone with the time and inclination can go through your excessively long thread of fantastic tall tales to see for themselves.

I have neither. Me I don't want my eyes to glaze over

He is a bigger liar than 4everGod? The same person that was caught red handed using his two different monikers on a single thread to deceive and lie to others.

He said he once raised a dead person back to life. He also said he once healed a nairaland member with HIV through the phone, when challenge he ran.away like a thieving rat. Who can beat that na?

KingEbukasBlog:
"Not-God of the gaps" is now a term used to describe observations of atheistic perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's non- existence. The term or phrase is now open to use as a criticism of atheistic positions, to mean that anything not currently explained by science shouldn't be used as evidence for the non existence of God .

Atheists have always been known for their perchance for constructing arguments that reject the existence of a cosmic designer or God while claiming uncertainty over origins of the cosmos and life which are largely unexplained by science and this term should be used appropriately to address such arguments .

Example : "I don't know but its not God " should be criticized as a 'Not-God of the Gaps' .


Usage in referring to a type of argument

The term not God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes the uncertainty of an unknown phenomenon, but blatantly denies the existence of God without providing cogent evidence as reason why God isn't the best explanation for the unknown phenomenon . Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
Therefore the cause must not be God .

Thank you

Your evidence that the universe was created by a single entity that used words of Hebrew in creating everything we see around is WHAT?

You don't know how the universe came about but you just believe that this entity must have created it even though you have no evidence to show or support your assertions only empty and weak arguments.

You can start by showing us that the universe came about by the action of a single entity then we will take you seriously. Until then take you mythology and run away with it else mockery is the only thing you'll get from someone like me.

felixomor:
Yoiu know every.....

That you are the nairaland member whose HIV he healed through the phone abi? Well done.

availableisme:
Efcc isn't their concern. "silencing" Mr Samuel is.

Show yourself you shameless criminal and see if the authorities don't hide you up for real. Why are you hiding and using a different moniker to fool yourself? You are truly a class act.

lepasharon:
like a hydra, if you cut one head off, another appears

This man is very dangerous.

HardMirror:
We said travel by roal or by air and see how scared christians in particular are of death, even more than the moslims

The day I see christians gather and pray for a speedy death for any of thier own is the day I'll take them seriously. All christians know about is how to talk. Their actions always betray them. They truly do not believe in any of the nonsense they spew regularly.

ForeverGod is here again as availableisme.

KingEbukasBlog:
Those people will live eternally with the Creator Himself while you and your coterie of friends will lose your lives forever . For there shall be a resurrection on the Last Day . Only a complete fool would think that this is the only life one lives . God is wise enough to let them die while they are of Him than let them die when they are now of the world .

Sure, they will live with their creator just the way Osama Bin laden and others that kill in the name of Allah the creator of heaven and earth are going to enjoy and be with their creator in paradise while unbelievers like you rot in hell. Only a fool will disagree that there is any afterlife apart from the one talked about by Allah in the Koran.

Who is bothered about death to the material life ? When there is glory ahead ? Atheists are afraid of death because they are not prepared to face their worst fear . GOD .

Why don't we see christians praying for quick and speedy death when sick or in danger? When was the last time you saw Christains gather and pray for a speedy death to any of their fellow believer that is sick? All we see them.do is cry and pray for their imaginary God to save them and prolong their lives when sick or in danger of dying. Your actions always speak louder than the empty drivel you guys spew regularly.

. 4everGod is a very dangerous man. I knew that he stole the picture of the baby and the child isnt his. This man is truly crazy.

hopefulLandlord:
The fact that we still have debates about whether something (Christian god) exists that's supposed to be everywhere and can do anything and loves me and wants a relationship with me and etc already tells me such a thing doesn't exist

"Hey, I want a relationship with you, and demand all your love and devotion!
Just don't expect me to show up, or call, or send a letter, or a birthday card, or put any effort in to demonstrating that I even exist (like your Canadian girlfriend). That's because you're not worthy of my love, so ... yeah ... get crackin' on that devotion to me."

By this description, god is identical to the girls in the ads on porn sites looking for a guy to screw. And both are equally nonexistent
But we can never be quite sure. That's why both are still in business

The existence of apologists strongly suggests the non-existence of gods

There are no apologists for the sun. Nobody needs to spin flimsy-as-cobwebs arguments for the existence of the sun. That's because every day we're bombarded with evidence for it at the speed of light. And not just evidence of its existence, but intimate information about its innermost workings.

The sun seems big to us, but it's actually a tiny speck lost in a whirlpool galaxy of 200 billion other stars, which is lost in a vast sea of countless billions of other galaxies.

Yet for this insignificant speck, we have an abundance of very useful evidence, but for a claim that is far bigger and more elaborate than all those galaxies put together,

...all we have are the arguments of apologists.

Tell winner01 or KingEbukasBlog to provide evidence that Yahweh exist they'll start telling you how atheist kill millons of people that Yahweh the all powerful loves and wants to have a personal relationship with without being able to do anything to protect them despite their cries and pleas for him to help them.

With each argument they keep proving that their God is imaginary.

KingEbukasBlog:
Big fat lie . You used the oldest dirtiest chicanery the atheists use here : pose as a christian for a while and then claim the debates made you have a rethink

Just like the one we exposed here : https://www.nairaland.com/3299206/exposed-atheist-truthman83-lied-deceived

Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

KingEbukasBlog:
And Dalaman's post actually prove God exists .

Winner01' always claims that the is this merciful,powerful, just and good God that will protect, guide and protect those that believe in him.

Next he goes around creating topics about how atheist kill tens of millions of people including believers while his God constantly fails to do anything but allow them to be killed, molested and brutalized.
Is there a good God that protects people or not? Will you as a father alow someone to kill you children and stop them from doing what you ask them to do? The evil in the world is more than enough evidence to show that the christian God does not exist.