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felixomor:
Please show me evidence and date of the concensus.

No long stories please.
And Please dont answer my question with question

I asked you a question first. You are to provide one historian and Egyptologist that is a scholar that agrees that the ancient Jews built the cities of Egypt as claimed by the bible. You are to do that instead of asking silly questions. You are free to plagiarize people's work as well.

felixomor:
There is my dear.
You are the only one crying about plagiarism here.

I have been following this thread.
Sorry to say, u have not offered any logical rebuttal nor knowledge in the thread.

Only whining.

Sure he plagiarized. But that aside even the work he plagiazed to support his point goes against what the bible stated. In the work he plagiarized it said the saves were conquered in wars. It listed prisoners of wars from various generations that cut across different Egyptian Pharoahs spanning hundreds of years.

This is very contrary to the bible that says. Where does the bible tate that the Israelites were captured as prisoners of war and enslaved in Egypt?

Which historian or Egyptologist claims that the ancient Egyptian cities were built by the Israelites? Can you name any?

The consensus amongst historians and Egyptologist is that the exodus as narrated in the bible is non historical.

4everGod:
Ignorance is a disease. Go through this thread again and enlighten yourself. The scam is you who allowed intelligence and free information on the world wide web to scam you.

At least he doesn't go about stealing people's work without acknowledging it.

There is nothing to be enlightened about in all the nonsense you plagiarized.

4everGod:
I said you are unable to reason deeply and that has always been your bane. Have you ever heard of the seal of Ramses and where it was found and how it ended up there? You read to criticize so miss out on vital information. Do you know where the Egyptian wicker baskets were found? Look up updated information up to 2016 and stop spewing predictable ignorance.

Discoveries are ongoing and thank God for the latest one which is this Ramses statue...I am sure that if Ramses was specifically mentioned in the Bible somebody like you would call him a fictitious character...You indeed are a bible critic and nothing more.

Jesters Union!

Bla bla bla. No more works to plagiaze? Shameless plagiarist.

What has the seal of Remeses and where it was found got to do with the faCT that most bible scholars agree that the exodus is non historical? Biblical scholars including Rabbis aND professors of Jewish history have all agreed that the exodus is fictitious, yet an obscued ibgo man that doesn't know what come is in Hebrew is here arguing against it.

Where is it written in the bible that the Israelites were captured as prisoners of war? No historian and Egyptologist , I repeat no historian and Egyptologist will tell you that the Jews built the great cities in ancient Egypt. If you know of any pls drop the person's name. You are shameless.

4everGod:
The question you should have asked yourself in shame and self disgust is if the Israelites submitted themselves willingly to be slaves to Egypt. As usual you lack depth of reasoning!

I said you are shameless. You plagiarized the a writing of someone who quoted from various Egyptian sources from various centuries apart that talked about people that were caught and made prisoners of war during wars and brought to Egypt as slaver laborers. The bible never said the Israelites were brought to Egypt as prisoners of war. There is NO records of the Jews ever been enslaved in Egypt ad the bible puts it ever. And there is no record of any mass migration of millions of people living Egypt to Canaan. All biblical scholars that have looked into it have concluded that the Exodus is non historical. It's a fabricated fiction.

Do you even know that the Exodus story that appears in the bible was written in a period of 250 years? Go edu cate your self and stop plagiarizing people's work. It's stealing.

4everGod:
If showing you investigative proof which negates your armchair atheistic comments is plagiarism then enjoy my plagiarism. I know it must hurt pretty bad whenever you see something good about the Bible and it throws you into a frenzy. Keep typing till old age swallows you up...The scriptures can never be broken!

Atheistic Jesters!

Which investigative "proof" did you show me? You just stole the writings of an apologist that doesn't know what he's saying and hear you are beating your chest after stealing people's work.

The question remains where in the bible was it written that the Hebrews slaves war captured during wars? As usual you are shameless.

When you start with a lie you'll have to use more lies to cover up for the first lie you've stated.
You just plagiazed someone else's writing and posted it as if it is yours. Next time put the reference. Plagiarism is stealing.

The person whose work you stole is not a credible apologist. Anybody can join one and two together to beguile those that want to be deceived.

4everGod:
Egyptian scribes of Ahmose I and Thutmoses III wrote boastfully of campaigns in the Levant, resulting in captured prisoners being enslaved in Egypt. Various descriptions perfectly match scenes in the Passover Haggadah.

The problem is that the bible did not say that the Egyptians went to the Leven and captured the Israelites. According to the bible they Israelites came and settled in through Joseph and they increased in numbers over the years. They were never captured according to the bible. So fail. Your apologist clearly doesn't know what he is saying. The Pharoah Ahmose I and Thutmoses III did not live during the Exodus so I wonder why he mentioned them.

The setting described in Exodus could be Egypt's East Delta, where the Nile floods every year. The area has no source of stone, and mud-brick structures repeatedly "melted" back into the mud and silt. Even stone temples have hardly survived here. Physical evidence of slaves working there isn't likely to have survived. But a leather scroll dating to the time of Ramesses II (1303 BCE-1213 BCE) describes a close account of brick-making apparently by enslaved prisoners of the wars in Canaan and Syria, which sounds very much like the biblical account. The scroll describes 40 taskmasters, each with a daily target of 2,000 bricks (see Exodus 5:6).

The writer clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. Does the bible say that the Israelites were prisoners of war in Egypt? No where in the Egyptian documents does it state that the ancient Jews were enslaved in such a large number as stated inside the bible. This is a clear case of grasping at straws.
 

Other Egyptian papyruses (Anastasi III & IV) discuss using straws in mud bricks, as mentioned in Exodus 5:7: "You must not gather straw to give to the people to make bricks as formerly. Let themsleves go and gather straw for themselves".

This is shameful. It's common knowledge that the ancient people used straw in brick making.

The tomb of vizier Rekhmire, ca. 1450 BCE, famously shows foreign slaves “making bricks for the workshop-storeplace of the Temple of Amun at Karnak in Thebes” and for a building ramp. They are labeled "captures brought-off by His Majesty for work at the Temple of Amun". Semites and Nubians are shown fetching and mixing mud and water, striking out bricks from molds, leaving them to dry and measuring their amount, under the watchful eyes of Egyptian overseers, each with a rod. The images bear out descriptions in Ex. 1:11-14; 5:1-21. (“They made their life bitter with hard labor, as they worked with clay mortar and bricks and in very form of slavery in the field” - Exodus 1:14a)

In what part of the biblical story does it state that the Israelites were captured? Why is the apologist telling clear lies? So because captured slaves were shown working that means they are Israelites? I repeat where in the biblical text does it say that the Jews were captured slaves? The bible doesn't say they were captured slaves. The Egyptian text says the people were captured during wars and conquest. Where does the bible say this please?

The papyrus Anastasi VI from around 3200 years ago describes how the Egyptian authorities allowed a group of Semitic nomads from Edom who worshiped Yahweh to pass the border-fortress in the region of Tjeku (Wadi Tumilat) and proceed with their livestock to the lakes of Pithom.
Shortly afterwards, the Israelites enter world history with the Merenptah stele, which bears the first mention of an entity called Israel in Canaan. It is robustly dated at is 1210 BCE, i.e., as of writing, 3226 years ago.

Does this describe anything close to the Exodus in the bible? What your apologist just did was to carry different writings from the Egyptians over a very long time and look for what comes close to what is written inside the bible and go" Ohh you see, this comes close to what is written inside the bible". Of course we know that the ancient Egyptians conquered territories and owned slaves. What we know is that their stories differ greatly from what is written inside the bible.

Like I said, If you repeat your deceptive words above to yourself 100 more times you just might believe it.

Cacophony of Atheistic Jesters.

After stealing the work of somebody that used deceptive words to beguile others, you are here confidently talking thrash.

4everGod:
If you repeat your deceptive words above to yourself 100 more times you just might believe it.

Cacophony of Atheistic Jesters.

What is deceptive there? That the exodus as acknowledge by biblical scholars is non historical? The exodus as narrated in the bible never happened. It's a myth.

4everGod:
Why are you so dense and your disciple ScepticalPyrrho your mirror copy? My mention of the Ten Commandments was i referencing the TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE BIBLE OR THE FILM...THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? Are you this doltish?

How come you missed this part of the same comment where you foolishly singled out the Ten commandments alone

So you were alluding to a movie? What am I to do wit a movie?

Historians have it that Ramses lived between 1279 – 1213 BC. Same Historians have it that Moses lived between 1391–1271 BC. Plus the existence of the Hittites and the mention of the conquest of the Hittites by Ramses via dates puts him smack in the era of Moses based on Biblical description of the location of the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. Remember the Bible says The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.

The same Historians have told us that the exodus as portrayed in the bible is non historical. At no time in Egypt's history were the Israelites enslaved there.

Obviously you are not Bible Historian but have always been an uninformed Bible critic. The reason why I included the Film THE TEN COMMANDMENTS was to force people like you to think deep but you lack that capacity obviously.

Epic Movies before being made (especially when they are to be based on facts and expected to be as real and true as possible) the producers go through a lot of research one of which are historically sourced. Using Ramses as the Pharoah was very correct because History supports it.

The movie is an embellished mythology. The exodus as narrated in the bible is NOT a fact but pure mythology. The Israelites were never enslaved in such large numbers in Egypt according to historians.

[Exodus 12:37King James Version (KJV)

37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

This never happened in reality. It's just a mythology that was recorded in the bible. Even the best Christian apologist like Gary Herbermas and William Craig both agree that it is an embellishment. Well respected Jewish Rabbi who also double is professors of Jewish history like
Professor Sperling and Rabbi Wolpe have all stated that the Exodus as narrated in the bible is non historical. There is absolutely NO tp support the biblical narrative what so ever. Egypt was a thriving nation at the time of the biblical exodus. Even the Christian apologist are yet to agree on which side of the sea the Israelites used when crossing over. It's non historical.
Exodus 1:11King James Version (KJV)

11 Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Ramses.

Ramses mentioned there referred to cities built in honour of the current Pharoah at that time and as you can see the name of the city was Ramses.

I suggest you study and stop criticizing in an empty manner


cc MZlady39 ignore those atheistic court Jesters.

All, I repeat all Egyptologist agree that the cities including all the pyramids, sphinx, statures and burial valleys were built by the Egyptians themselves. The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt talk more of building any city. The biblical exodus remains fictitious.

MZLady39:
If he is or isn't, why does that make you upset?

Upset? Since when has debunking false stories turn to being upset? The way you guys reason is pathetic sometimes.

MZLady39:
With all due respect....."really"?
May we enjoy the discovery of Ramses'statue in peace?

Yes. I stand by every word you read, because it is true. This Remeses statue has nothing to do with the bible.

The pastor is 4everGod's brother. At least this one was able to bring a test result that bears the name and sex of a.woman while.claiming it.to be that of a man. 4everGod did not even present anything. Just foolishly claimed he brought back a someone without any identity back to life and healed some people through the phone.

4everGod:
For those who do not know, The Ten Commandments (in line with its non-Biblical source material and a fair amount of popular culture) identifies Pharaoh Rameses II, a.k.a. Rameses the Great as the Pharaoh who Opposed Moses during the Exodus

Where in the ten commandments was Remeses identified as the Pharoah who oposed Moses? Moses does not appear in any ancient Egyptian text and at no time were the Hebrews ever enslaved in Egypt. The bible does not at any point mention the name of the Pharoah during the Exodus.

Why is the name and sex different on the result ? The sex shows female and the name is different. What kind of yama yama scam is this one?

blueAgent:
They are the foundations for Atheist's belief.

Both discoveries were made by theist. Infact there are more theist that believe in evolution than atheist. The Pope is a strong proponent of evolution. He's the head of the Catholic Church.

blueAgent:
You are now Denying Evolution and bigbang?

Are they atheistic or scientific explanations?

4everGod:
If Atheism is a disbelief in God shouldnt you have moved on from the "God" matter by now unto something else?

You disbelieve yet still hang around those who believe as if you are indeed finding it very hard to fully let go of the God concept.

I debate and challenge thode that subscribe to the God idea because I find it facinatating that people strongly hold onto that man made idea and concept.

A true atheist does not spend his days battling God with Gods people. He assumes God never was so has no need discussing Him.

Where do you fit in?

The straw man atheist you created inside your head will not do what you just outlined. A real atheist will do what ever he wants. I spend some time discussing the God idea with those that subscribe to it, I chose to do that, if you don't like it you can go and call the police on me.

4everGod:
I see that Lazyness still has made you unable to do proper research. Go through google books. Thank me later.

Is atheism a religion?

Better not to conduct a research than conducting the type you do. Your Ichthyologists debacle is still there as a reminder of the type of "research" you conduct.

Atheism isn't a religion.

4everGod:
Is Atheism a religion?

Its a disbelief in God and God happens to be the central point of most religions.

4everGod:
You mean being allegedly caught by a bunch of atheistic sub intelligent jesters who knew nothing about what I was educating them on?

Nope, you were caught red handed spewing lies and making things up. Remember your Ichthyologists debacle?

4everGod:
Isnt it funny that an atheist didnt and couldn't say Atheism brought me into existence but he still needed to leverage off a religious group to make a statement.

why can you not speak devoid of religion?

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Atheism has not claim on the origin of humans. You on the other hand made an empty religious claim and I countered it with another religious claim. Why is it vexing you?

We are here discussing religion and religious beliefs, so I can't talk devoid of religion because we are here discussing religion. It's like asking me why am talking devoid of politics in the political section.

4everGod:
If I do use google I always do a thorough research unlike ogawere up there. Even a free service as google he couldn't utilise to the max.

You on the other hand are just like him...Never thinking things through.

Thorough research ko, thorough research ni? You that has been caught many times spewing thrash you claimed you got from Google. Abeg park well.

4everGod:
lmao at "google search"...

Simply say you did not think this one through. Bunch of Jesters.

You are the king of Google search na. Always using Google to search nonsense.

4everGod:
was this meant to be a distraction? Failed!

It's a statement, just like the one you made.

4everGod:
Yet He who does not exist has brought you into existence as an atheist. How ironical. lmao

Allah the God of the Koran brought you into existence .

felixomor:
U

What about me are you thanking your God for?

frank317:
If I hear doctor

Or perhaps he is the worlddumbestdoctor

He's an imaginary doctor.

felixomor:
Praise God

For?

felixomor:
Good morning
U slept well?

. I did.

felixomor:
Quiet abeg.
If u cant answer.
Stop deceiving urself

What's up "Doctor"?

blueAgent:
Stop demanding for prove of God's existence. his proof is everywhere around you. you Atheists should start explaining to us how a fish got tired of swimming and became a bird and how farting(bigbang) created the Universe we need answers.

Which of the Gods proof is all around us out of the many different Gods?

4everGod:
Mr One tracked mind. When i used the coin analogy was i focused on the tail or on the coin? Is it the heads and tail that make a coin or is a coin still a coin regardless of head or tail?

You have always lacked depth so i am not shocked.

You are clearly out of your depth.

This is what you said.

Like, I flip a coin 5 times and get "heads" every time no "tails" . Is it a "heads only" coin?

If you flip a coin that has a head and a tail, it is expected that you'll get a head or a tail. You can flip a million times and get heads only or tails only but it is already an expected outcome. What about your God? what expected outcome can we get from your God when we decide to test it?