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felixomor:
And yet u mentioned budha that was born, bred and taught when human morality was already fully existing on earth as "founding father of morality".......?
Hehehehe
LooooL

Can you name the human morality that was fully existing when Buddha came up with his moral principles? Name date and places where this human morality was fully existing during the time of Buddha and show us that they were alteady existing already before he came up with them his own principles.

Show us that you know more than the historians that attribute those moral principles to him. Go ahead we are waiting.

felixomor:
And thats dancing...
because u r not ready....

Allow those who are ready to discuss

You are obviously not ready to discuss anything. You haven't shown us how humans are not the creators of morality.

felixomor:
And i asked u for the morals he created....
Show me where u gave answer to that...

I told you to go and study it. Still waiting for you to show us where he got his ideas on morality from.

felixomor:
Are u done?
Remember u didnt provide any point,
Someone else did...while u were dancing

So remain silent while proper meaningful discussion takes place..

I did. I gave Buddha as an example.

felixomor:
Are u done?
When u finish i will show u where budha learnt these things ....
Please tell me when u r done....

Tell us the place, time,.date and venue.

felixomor:
Please go...
Its usual of u to start echolalia when u r out of points...

Just following your footsteps oo. Answer the questions I asked , or were you trying to tell lies?

cloudgoddess:
What would a time change about the validity his argument? You're trying to distract from the central argument and it's really annoying lol. Stop doing that and learn how to argue honestly.

You want felixomor to argue honestly? That's never going to happen.

felixomor:
Please answer my question on Budha....
Why are u jumping?
U want to Start lying..

I've asked you many questions on the assertions you've made and you've refused to answer any. Why were you jumping? Abi you want to start lying ?

felixomor:
Please which moral principle did budha create?

And please i want u to stay on budha,
Dont jump away o...
If u jump, we will know u r lying....

Please answer..

Go and study the moral principles he advocated and championed. Where is your evidence that morality is not a human creation? Am still waiting for it.

felixomor:
Are u comparing mathematics to morality?
Besides hope u know i can point u to the fathers of mathematics....
I can mention names....

Please mention one of the fathers of "morality" so as too compound your case....

Please u still cant tell me at what age morality shapes....

U have multiplied your issues now

I can also mention the names of some of the founders of some moral principles. Buddha is one. He created a moral principle and urged people to abide by and live by it.

Various governments create diffrent moral systems. Are you arguing that morality is not a human creation? If that is your case then say it and prove with evidence that morality is not a human creation.

felixomor:
Human creation. No problem
Show me at what age it starts shaping na....
You admit something is shaped in children yet u admit it is created by people were also once children.....

Pls go ahead and tell me the age.. .

Mathematics is a human creation, writing is a human creation, language is a human creation.

Morality like the others I listed is also a human creation. I don't get the link btw age and morality, and why it matters to the fact that it is a human creation.

felixomor:
What does "construct" mean?
U claimed out how something was "constructed" yet u dont know the age at when it is shaped up in the same humans who u claimed "constructed" it?

U see urself?

Morality is a human creation. Men thought themselves what ever concept and system of moral it they chose to live by. Morality evolves, it varies from.place to place and in time. How is morality not a human creation. You are yet to show that.

felixomor:
If u dont know the age,
Then u r not qualified to talk about morality.

U have been arguing from ignorance.
Fallacies

What has age got to do with the fact that morality is a human construct?

felixomor:
Please at what age does morality start shaping up in a child?

I don't know the specific age, but what has that got to do with the fact morality is a human creation ?

felixomor:
Somebody just misyarned and admitted it and with the same paragraph claims i am talking "aimlessly"....

What an own goal?

I know that's what you'll always dwell on. How is morality not a human creation?

felixomor:
How will i "fail to show" what i disagree with?

How will i " fail to show" what is already and obviously a lie u r telling?

I made an error. You've failed to show that morality is not a human creation. Different societies with diffrent moral principles all show that they are man made. Which God told the People living in Switzerland that doctor assisted suicide is right? Which God told them that gay union is good?

You've just been talking aimlessly.

felixomor:
You already admitted they were not atheists and still went ahead to say they did it by how they felt.....

You clearly do not even know that feelings are often th outcomes of indwelling morality in a person...

Smh

You have no point. You are yet to show us how any external force apart from human intuition, perception, ego, wimps, and empathy is responsible for morality. You have failed to show that morality is a human creation.

People use religion and Gods as enforcement mechanism but at the bottom of it all morality is a man made invention.

Which God created the Sharia system of morality? Was it Allah that created it in reality or did it come through many many years of moral evolution?

How do the Japanese that have always believed in a deist God that has nothing to do with human interaction get their morality from?

felixomor:
When was Japan formed?

What has that git to do with the fact that Japanesepeople believe in a deist God as most of their history shows? Your evidence that they attributed their morality to any God is what? Date, time and the venue where they did that is what you are to provide.

And please did u just mention "our ancestors"?
Were they atheists and deists?

They dont have to be. They still created a system of morality that helped them live their lives according to what they felt was right or wrong.

For example some.of them truly believed that killing twins was good and should be encouraged. Which God told them that in reality? Others believe that people needed to be sacrificed to appease the weather Gods when there was a drought. Some believed that women had bo right to inheritance at all. In fact they beliwve it wrong and evil for women to have any inheritance. Did any God / Gods really teach them that in reality or did they just create it out of their own ignorance, intentions and superstitions?

felixomor:
Please when was Japan formed?

It seems Once u r Talking, u loose a sense of time..

Japan is an example of a society that believe in a God concept that has nothing to do with morality but they created a moral system like any other human society.

Even our own ancestors created their own moral system before the Arabs and Europeans conquered them and forced them to accept their religions and their moral codes of conduct.

felixomor:
You don't have evidence of how humans constructed the concept of good and bad fron nothing....

Humans created the concept of good and bad because they want to live in a stable.society based on what ever concept and notion of what "stable" is. That is why morality varies from.society to society and period in time.

It is impossible to do such.
Japanese practice a religion that was founded by someone whose morality was shaped by the knowledge of a creator....

Name the first Japanese that founded the religion, time and date and wheRe exactly he said that his idea of a creator God shaped his idea of morality. Deist do not believe in a God that has anything to do with morality. The deist God is ONLY a creator God/Gods that created and left.

So if u say they did it without the knowledge of a creator, its not true.

You've not show that they did it with a creator. Humans created and continue to createwhat ever moral code of conduct they chose to live by. Morality is purely a human creation that is why it varies from society to society and period in time.

Morality was already moulded into the founders background already while growing with his religious parents...who believed in a creator .....

Japanese people mostly believe in a deisticconcept of God that has nothing to do with morality. They only beleive in a creator God that created and left.

Someone like u already has religous morality moulded into u by your parents.
Even if u found a religion tomorrow, u will subconsciously transfer what u have been taught....

Thats how it works.

I find most of the pacifist teachings of christianity to be silly and as such will not pass them to my kids. Most people in the west for example do not agree with the teachings of christianity. Most don't see premarital sex as wrong, they don't see see gay relationship as wrong just to name a few examples. They don't see most of the things that christianity condemns as wrong.

Morality is a creation of man.

felixomor:
Yes, people debate and change morals over time..
But the idea of good and bad
The idea of legality vs illegality in the first place comes from the knowledge of good and evil....

Thats the point...

God and bad is a human construct. The need to create a society resulted in the formation of good and bad attributes. Morality is a creation of humans. They change it, revise it and formulate it as they go. For example as humans created the Internet, they also created laws guiding how people go about their business on the Internet. Certain things were tags as cyber crimes etc.

Human's used God and religion as enforcing mechanism when they created laws back in the days. Some didn't use any God, example Japanese people that believe in a deistic God.

felixomor:
Who is making assumption now?
Besides, if he doesn't care how we live our lives...
Why are u teaching your children morals?
Why does good and bad exist?

Msheww

We teach our children morals so that they can live by the dictates of the society.

What is good and bad? Good and bad is a human creation. Back in the days when slavery was acceptable by humans your God was there advising them.on how to sell their daughters into slavery. When men thought it was right for men to marry their rape victims your God was there telling them how to do that.

GoOd and bad is a human construct and it varies from.place to place that is why in places like Sweden a man marrying a fellow man is lawful, legal and right, while in Nigeria it is a crime and evil. In the same Nigeria marrying two or more wives is legal, right and allowed while in a place like Sweden it is a crime and an evil act.

Who legalized same sex marriage in Sweden and made it right? Who made made that wrong in Nigeria?

Just 200 years ago owning black people as slaves was allowed and legal in the United States. Today it is illegal and a crime. Who made that so?

DoctorAlien:
Of course, Egypt had much impact on Israel. The Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for centuries. Moreover, after the Exodus, they related with the Egyptians. So, it is not out of place that Egypt is mentioned many times in the Bible.

Your argument is biased in that it starts from a point which rules out the possibility of the fact that the events recorded in the Bible about Egypt could be true, and that the Egyptians could have tried to forge tales to cover up the embarrassing events recorded about them in the Bible.

Seems you know little about history. According to the bible the ancient Israelites left Egypt and went to canaan, historically Canaan was still under Egyptian occupation at that time so it makes no sense at all. The Exodus is non historical.

DoctorAlien:
Where did the Bible say that the sun stood still "so that the Jews can see their enemies and kill them"?

Can you prove that the Hebrew word translated "stand still" does not literally mean "be silent"?

You made the claim so you are the one that should prove it. The bible does not come close to the nonsense you and your apologist are trying to say.

DoctorAlien:
According to Richard Elliot Friedman, Prof. David Sperling and Rabbi were following the claims of archaeologists. Those archaeologists' claims that the exodus never happened are not based on evidence, but largely on its absence. The archaeologists claimed to have combed the Sinai and found no evidence for the exodus as stated in the Bible. Well, the claim is false, as no major excavations have been done in the Sinai, and it certainly has not been combed.

The same Richard Elliot Friedman admits that the exodus never happened as the bible says it did that's if it happened at all. His interview that was put up by KingEbukasBlog showed that the exodus is a myth because the exodus story alone was written in over a period of 500 years. He clearly admist in his interview that the story about 6 hundered thousand men(0ver 2 Million including women and kids) leaving Egypt as the bible puts it is non historical. It never happened, his theory is that a much less number of the Israelites left Egyptian during the Exodus and the one written inside the bible is a mythological embellishment.

DoctorAlien:
benzics, below is an exposition by Dr. Claude Mariottini.

In Hebrew, the word translated “stand still” literally means “be silent.” In this context, Joshua was commanding the sun “to be silent,” that is, to keep from shining. Since the sun was rising in the east, his command to the sun was that it refrains from shining.

When Joshua came to fight against the Amorites, he came at night and caught them by surprise. Joshua was aided by the darkness caused by a huge storm that produced hail so big that it killed many people. In fact, the biblical text says that more people died from the hailstones than the people of Israel killed with the sword.

Since the hailstorm did not affect the army of Israel, Joshua needed the storm to last so that the hail could continue decimating the army of the Amorites. Consequently, Joshua’s prayer was for more darkness (the continuation of the storm) and not for more light. The reason Joshua’s army did not kill many soldiers was because the storm prevailed most of that day.

Wow, such blatant lies and spin. This is the reason why people never take apologist seriously. The bible clearly says that the sun stood still and did not go down for a whole day. Even in churches people are taught that the sun stood still so that the Jews can see their enemies and kill them, but this deluded apologist of yours is saying that the sun standing still isn't what the bible means, standing still to him means silence which also means darkness. You are an unserious clown.

Islam is the most dangerous and and illogical religion that exist among the world's major religions. It's level of intolerance is second to non. They kill each other, kill those that do not believe in their religion, kill those that are muslims but disagree with their sect or doctrine, kill kill kill.

When will muslims learn to allow Allah fight those that insult him and his religion? Surely they know that Allah is imaginary and can do nothing that is why they are always killing people. Islam is a religion of hate pure and simple.

4everGod:
Is this the answer to felixomors question? He asked you for proof for your "consensus" yammering or have you forgotten so fast?

Let hi..speak for himself. Where is the name of the Egyptologist? Where was it stated in the biblical narrative that the Jews were captured as prisoners of war and taken to Egypt?

felixomor:
This thread is straight forward and even with pictorial evidence.
The same cant be said of you.

Please provide evidence for your concensus
Or stop making fun of yourself.

Pictorial evidence that what? That the ancient Eyptian cities were built by the Israelites or that the Exodus is non historical? Where is the pictorial evidence supporting the exodus as stated in the bible? Where is it? Are you not a liar?

4everGod:
So suddenly you cannot provide evidence to your consensus claim kikikikikiki

I ignored your muck about consensus because i felt it was not relevant especially since in your attempt to cover up your lack of knowledge regarding this discussion you kept on regurgitating one word "SHAMELESS" as if that was the conclussion of the matter.

Clearly felixomor thinks otherwise and has asked for proof of this consensus and as expected, in your confusion you assume you were speaking to him and not me when you made your comments regarding bible proof when archaeological proof abound.

Can you answer to this consensus claim you made by showing us your proof?

Dalaman the court Jester...you can never change.

Just provide the name of one Egyptologist scholar who agrees that the Jews built the ancient cities of Egypt. It shouldn't be a difficult thing. Just name one scholar that is an Egyptologist.

felixomor:
U didnt ask me any question.
U asked the OP...
U claim there is a consensus and yet cant provide evidence?

Are u not a liar?

I asked you. Check again. Seems you are the one lying.