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KingEbukasBlog:
Here's my opinion . A lie is permitted if the extenuating circumstances are too extreme - the sin becomes venial .

I like your honesty and pragmatic approach to issues.

4everGod:
You copped out a long time ago. This is you trying to survive.

Is this another lay up or what?

KingEbukasBlog:
Please state your reasons sir

I will after you answer my questions. Do you consider the lie the muslim man told the terrorist that saved the lives of the Jewish people a good or bad thing? Are all lies always bad as felixomor is suggesting?

felixomor:
Why? The double standard now?

There is no double standard. I have been very specific right from the beginning. You've refused to answer my question. Why is that so?

felixomor:
U didnt read my post.
Neither did u address my point.

U were able to give terrorist example as good harmless lie. 4everGod didnt need to suggest such lie to you.

But when it came to examples of your kids harmless lies, u couldnt give any other example apart from comedy which is arts on stage.

Why is it so?

Because there is no lie a child can that I can consider as harmless.

4everGod:
How is disobedience harmful to you when its clearly profitable in your kids life and ultimately beneficial to yours as well. Are you trying to say that all disobedience is harmful?

Dalaman you no get where to run go again so now you want to hunker down and weather the storm. lmao

If you say the examples i just gave are disobedience and lies so how did the lies harm you when they clearly did not and how did the disobedience harm you or your kid when it clearly did not?

Abi confusion dey worry you?

You have no case. Did the muslim man do a good thing or bad thing? Remember, you said you'll do same.

felixomor:
Its on stage bro.
Its already an art.
Arts are fictitious.
U already told its not real, before it starts, by its label.

By the way its funny u were able to come up with terrorist and angry husband real life harmless examples at first,
but its only abstract comedy examples u could bring out for your kids.
Its funny and suspicious.

Bro learn to read. I said there are some lies that are good and I gave the example lying to terrorist amd to a husband that wants to kill his wife as examples of lies that are good. I then said some lies not good or bad and are harmless because they do not harm anybody and as an example I said the type of lies comedians tell. Those lies are purely for entertainment . I have been very clear and specific about what I've been saying since from the begining.

4everGod has been jumping from pillar to post. After agreeing that he will tell lies to save people's lives from terrorist he's now claiming that it was a lay up abi na slam dunk.

4everGod:


So when You ask a child to stay home and not go to school and the child lies that he is going to see his aunty but ends up going to school to be part of classes was it harmful?

That is disobedience and lies. I don't consider that to be harmless.

If you ask a child not to eat till you return and the child decides to eat anyway because they were hungry and you return and the child lies that he or she has not eaten was it harmful to you?

Again that is disobedience and lies which I do not consider to be what I call harmless lies.

If you ask your child not to watch television but in your ignorance you forget that there is a very educative program your kid loves watching and he or she disobeys you and watches the program in your absence but lie to you that they did not watch television. Was it harmful to you?

Dalaman if your kid told a harmless lie would you appreciate his lie and reward him or would you see it as a bad thing and scold him?

Non of what you've brought up qualifies as a harmless lie. From theft, now you have moved to disobedience. This are not things I consideras harmless lies. I have given you an example. Which is the type of lies comedians tell. That is what I conaider to be harmless lies. You jeep jumping from pillar to post. My friendgo and rest.

Did the muslim man do a good thing by lying to the terrorist? Remember you also said you'll lie to terrorist just like him.

felixomor:
Jokes and comedy or movies/play are out of the question.
A comedy label already tells u what will follow is not real life
I dont know why u keep mentioning comedy.
Honestly.

They are not out of the question. Comedians form lies and use it to entertain people. So they are not out of the question since what they are saying to entertain you are nothing but lies.

felixomor:
Ok, u present 3 or 4 examples of harmless lies you can encourage your kids to tell.

Can't you read? I said I consider some lies to be harmless and I gave an example with the lies comedians tell to entertain people. That is the only example of a lie that I consider to be harmless. I have been clear about that right from the beginning.

I do not consider any lie a child tells me to be harmless unless if he is cracking jokes.

felixomor:
U were the one who pioneered the "harmless" principle on this thread
Why all of a sudden u seem scared of "harmless"?

Or are u beginning to realize your "harmless" is somebody else's "harmful"?

I gave a clear example of what I meant by harmless. I don't consider any of the examples he gave as harmless. He sighted stealing and lying about it. I do not consider them to be harmless lies.

4everGod:
I do not have to answer your own question when you have been dodging mine for 3 pages now despite my giving you freedom to bring up the examples of "harmless" lies a child can tell.

You hold the yam and the knife so answer my question.

if your kid told a harmless lie would you appreciate his lie and reward him or would you see it as a bad thing and scold him?

I've told you that apart from lying as a comedian to entertain the house. I don't consider any other lie a child will tell to be harmless. You brought examples of a child stealing and lying, but I told you I don't consider them to be harmless lies.

4everGod:
if your kid told a harmless lie would you appreciate his lie and reward him or would you see it as a bad thing and scold him?

Give me an example of a harmless lie a child can tell.

Answer my own questions .

4everGod:
Confusion has finally eaten up Dalamans brain

Remember your post about man made laws and their inability to be perfect? Yet you rate the approval of lies or lack of approval to human beings?

Since human laws are not perfect how can you claim israels awarding of a medal to someone who lied as the approval that some lies are good.

I consider the lies he told the terrorist to be a very good thing and I'll encourage people to tell that kind of lie when they are caught up in that kind of situations.

Are you saying that all lies are bad? Did the muslim do a good or bad thing by lying to the terrorist?

felixomor:
I refuse to pamper your rash attitude.
Go back and read it above

After saying that you can't answer. You are now saying you've already answered. Which one is it?

4everGod:
Remember you said some lies are good and some are bad.

Yes some.lies are good and some are bad. France will not be giving out medal of freedom and citizenship to someone that lied to terrorist to save their lives if he did the wrong thing. The Israeli embassy in France gave him an award and a medal directly from the Israeli prime minister. If what he did was bad he wouldn't have recieved the awards from Israel and France.

When you said you'll lie to terrorist to save lives. Didn't you consider it a good thing? You even called it wisdom.

4everGod:
Now you answered this one exactly. So now answer the question you have been dodging for 2 pages now

if your kid told a harmless lie would you appreciate his lie and reward him or would you see it as a bad thing and scold him?

You've not given me an example of a harmless lie. Remember I gave you a clear example of what I meant by a harmless lie. I said the type of.lies comedians use to entertain people in shows are what I consider to be a harmless lie. Give me an example of a harmless lie that my child can say.

The examples you gave are NOT lies I consider as harmless.

4everGod:
Again you contradict yourself. First you said what you consider a harmless lie is when it does no harm to the hearer and the teller of the lie.

Here you were ignorant of the lie told by your kid and this lie even landed him a mega football deal and you only found out he lied after this mega football deal came through.

So can you now tell me that his lies harmed both of you or profited both of you? Yes it harmed both or one of you (SHOW ME HOW)

Or

NO! It was indeed profitable (TELL ME HOW)

I am still waiting for your answer on the harmless lying kid oo

I gave a clear example of what I meant by a harmless lie.
I've told you it remains a lie and I consider it to be wrong. Will I be mad at him, no I won't. Will I happily enjoy the money? With all happiness.

felixomor:
I have already answered ur question.
But ur rash nature of shouting liar over people while u yell a lie didnt allow u to read my post before mention.

You have dodged more simple questions than everybody combined here.

And your answer is WHAT?

4everGod:
Appeal to emotions. I was not even serious when i answered. Like i said I LAYED YOU UP.

Indeed you are a fake mind reader. lmao

Can i call you a liar now Dalaman?

https://www.askideas.com/media/13/Please-Just-Say-Yes-Already-Cute-Sad-Kitten.jpg

Laid me up indeed. . You will never stop telling lies brother. Why na? After writing an epistle and calling it wisdom. Now you don turn am to lay up abi? Brothere yu sabi oo. Seriously you sabi.

felixomor:
The guy just confirmed the claim on him right away.
I asked him u know why?

He replied instantly.
SMH

What did you confirm? You aren't serious that's why you didn't answer. 4everGod was serious and he answered.

4everGod:


No more comment? But if they deserved no answer why did you still bother to answer them but still dodge the one about the harmlessly lying kid? Dalaman can i now call you a liar?


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If my child lies and wins a football contract worth millions and I find out after he has won it. The lie still remains a lie. Is it a good thing? No its not.

The second question makes no sense at all..protein, carbohydrates? Are you high on cheap weed?

4everGod:
Felixomor is actually right when he said "you know why". He said so because you have assumed the position that you somehow know the intentions of the one who is lying. So you are now a mind reader. Dalaman are you a mind reader?

At least you answered unlike him. He is to answer a simple question.

4everGod:
Dalaman its obvious you are confused.

All i said to you were deliberate.

I deliberately used those particular instances when talking about the lies a child could tell because i knew the answer you would give being the predictable dalaman you are and when you gave your answer i asked you this



You still have not answered my question about your harmlessly lying kid. Can you answer it now?

Have you looked what a LAY UP is?

All this your dodgicology has gotten you too dizzy to talk in a straight line now.... zigzagology is now the norm.

Your questions deserve no answer because they are senseless.

felixomor:
I cant say.
You know why?

Because you aren't serious.

4everGod:
In basketball there is what is called A LAY UP. Look it up. Its a deliberate set up and you fell for it. I have always known that you dodge giving direct answers so i had to encourage your response and even at that you are still dodging answering my question about your harmlessly lying kid.

Dalaman can we have your answer now?

You gave examples of a child stealing and lying. That isn't harmless. You just admitted that t
You'lllie to save lives from terrorist.

felixomor:
For all u can say, his intentions were good.
At least because its easy to have seen his intentions.

What if he actually had other intentions.?
And the scenario was different?

U speak from a false position of claiming u know the intentions of other people.
U dont.

This also applies to some so called "good acts"
Somebody may be donating money to charity for the intention of fame, or to dodge tax.
Now tell me, that is good.

A woman once gave sleeping med overdose to her kids with mental problem so they could sleep peacefully till eternity because she felt that they were suffering too much on earth. And for real, the kids mental problem made it look like their lives were very bad.
She defended herself that she was right.
Afterall the kids were really suffering on earth.

That is why God's ten commandments give us a good parhway for life among men.
Its not perfect but because of the deceitful heart of man that always seeks to defend itself,
It forms a good bedrock for the laws of every nation.
Thats why Most developed countries today, wrote their earliest Constitutions from the bible.


And if by any means, some people with good intentions escape justice on earth, God will judge them in eternity.
Right or wrong, because He sees all intentions.

You have refused to answer. Was he wrong in lying to the terrorist?

KingEbukasBlog:
Its not surprising that he evaded the question

Did the muslim that lied to the terrorist do the wrong thing? Stop running like Usain Bolts.

4everGod:
When you are caught your very next comment would be either SHUT UP or YOU ARE A LIAR...

We sabi you...

I set you up and you fell for it same way you feel for it when DoctorAlien and I set you up and exposed your sorry ass.

By the way you still havent answered my question about your harmlessly lying child o

Will you keep quiet? You agreed that you will tell lies to save people from terrorist. So what are you yapping about na? Na wah ooo.

4everGod:
You have been caught! Trying to now go back and forth with your terorists this and that as if that is the only lie or truth that exists. Oga Dalaman your pathetic attempt at claiming lying is good. When a Muslim lies to a Muslim their taquiyya supports it, When speaking to a Christian always stick to Christian examples and stop always running to Islam to support your claims against Christianity. That is dishonesty and deceit which is a by product of a lying mind.

Go figure!

Shut up! Did you not agree that you'll lie to save people from terrorist? You did, you even called it wisdom. So why are you yapping up and down?

felixomor:
Lying will always be bad.

There is the story of a Malian muslim that lied to some terrorist during the attack in France. He hid the Jewish people in the basement of the shop. When the terrorist discovered that he was a muslim they didn't attack him. They asked him where the other employees were and he lied that they had all left after hearing gunshots and he was the only person in the building. The terrorists believed the lie he told them and allowed him to leave the building unharmed. He then used to opportunity to call the police and notify them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.636361

For his actions he was made a citizen of France and was honoured with a medal of honor by the French President. Was he wrong in doing what he did? That is lying to the terrorist?



Will you lie to save lives from terrorist if you are in that situation? Did he do a bad thing by lying to the terrorist that the people all ran away when he hid them in the basement?

4everGod:
Dalaman you seem to have thrown your common sense into the rubbish dump. I just showed you scriptures that speak against such acts of lying even when telling Jokes and you still ask "who is harmed"? If you are not harmed then you need to know that the Comedian is ultimately harmed as that scripture i gave you from Matthew 12:36 says

"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment

You think I care what your scripture says? Islam permits people to lie in some cases. It also appears in their own scriptures. I am talking about lying purely on its rational merits and demerits not based on mythical religious books and what they say. Allah in the Koran doesn't see lying as bad in some cases and Allah is God. I too can throw in some scriptures into the fold.

Dalaman your attempt to ensure you are right is leading you into making conflicting statements. So robbery is only harmful to the victim but not to the robber? Chai....Then why do these robbers often repent or turn themselves in even when not caught? Its because for some of them their conscience is harmed in the process even if they are not physically harmed. They get to the point they cannot bear it any longer so either repent or confess to their crimes.

How many of your corrupt politicians that steal daily come out to confess their acts of theft? How many of them do that?

[s]Would you call your childs lies harmful to you if he lies his way to success? E,g deceives you by lying that he is going to study but goes playing football instead and in the process of playing football he gets noticed by a football scout who gets him a sweet deal worth millions of dollars in a big club and you only found out his lies after he breaks the news of his club interest.

Would you say your child lied to you after you discover rice which is starch isnt exactly what a growing child needs but eggs which are packed with protein. Were you right or was your lying child right?[/s]

You've made no point. I've clearly told you what I meant by harmless lied.

There was a story on Nairaland yesterday about a 12 year old florida girl who commited suicide due to excessive bullying by people online. Do you know what cyber bullying is Dalaman? Cyber bullying can be classified as SINISTER JOKES, or EMOTIONALLY EXAGGERATED JOKES TARGETING AN INDIVIDUAL.

Now those who told the Jokes felt like comedians but they just caused someone to take her life. Yet you say comedians harm nobody when they lie in order to tell jokes.

[s]Lying to save lives from.terrorist for example is not bad. You agreed to it and said you will do same. Lying to entertain people as comedians do is also not bad. Those are the two examples of lies that I said are not bad.[/s]

Comedians are not bullies. I have been very specific. I am talking of comedians that entertain people on TV and in shows while you are bringing online bullies. Who calls online bullies comedians? Online bullying is a crime in some parts of the world. Comedy is not. Bullying is not comedy. How many people do you know that ended their lives because they attended a comedy show? Am talking about comedians and you are bringing online bullying. Their names are not even the same. You do not know what you are on about but just arguing for nothing.