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KingEbukasBlog:
There is always an impasse on that subject . The usual response from atheists is that there is no proof for religious morality (objective morality) . The religious will blame secular morality for moral decadence .

This is what I dislike with you sometimes. You just make big statements that are very false. Religious morality are NOT objective. Let's take the muslim endearment to sharia law for example. To the Muslim the sharia system is the most objective moral system of living in the world set out by the creator of the universe himself. But to non muslims the sharia system is barbaric and evil. So there is nothing like religious morality being objective. It is demonstrably false. Even the Christian morality gotten from the bible is not objective .

KingEbukasBlog:
I was talking of incest for pleasure not procreation - inbreeding . So how would you discourage your adult sons and daughters - likely to be atheists - if they agree to indulging in it just for the pleasure . Finding it weird is possibly because of the influence of your quondam religious views on incest . Your kids may not have that privilege and obviously they'd subscribe to subjective morality .

I'll simply tell them that incest is wrong because as brothers and sisters they are not supposed to be having sex with each other for pleasure. Because whether they like it or not they can get pregnant out of it. And if they are in Nigeria I'll tell them that they are violating the laws of the land by engaging in incestuous relationships.

KingEbukasBlog:
Can't see it bro

Incest to me is bad because it affects the gene pool negatively. It will also stop people from stepping out to get mates outside the house. And I just find the idea of close relatives engaging in sexual relationships weird.

KingEbukasBlog:
Ok . Answer my question

I have already answered. Re-read my post.

winner01:
KingEbukasBlog , I nor tell you say hn nor ft answer am .

Answer what? Ask your God why he allowed Abraham one of the greatest figure in the bible to marry his sister. Abi your God didn't know that incest is bad?

KingEbukasBlog:
From incest to murder . No guilt , no compunction . Welcome to subjective morality .

If morality is objective then why is it not the same the world over and why has it not been the same throughout history? Why does it vary from place to place and time in history? Even in your bible at a time incest was acceptable. Abraham the founder of your faith was an incestuous man.

KingEbukasBlog:
Marrying one 's relative was not forbidden at that time. The famous question of "Where did Cain get his wife?" is answered by saying that he married his sister. It was not immoral at that time, since there was no law forbidding it.

Now it is immoral because the moral law giver said so . An atheist would permit his son to sleep with his own daughter simply because he subscribes to subjective morality . Hei !!! Chai !!! Repugnant , disgusting .

Now tell me , why would you not support it since it is concensual and they are of age . Subjective morality is about personal perspectives - they both have agreed and deemed it right as adults , why the heck would you tell them to stop their pathetic abominable act ? Answer me !!!

I am talking about Abraham marrying his sister not Cain. Jonny has already given you an answer whichI very much agree with. Incest to me is bad because it affects the gene pool negatively. It will also stop people from stepping out to get mates outside the house. Saying that your God allowed it and later condemned it means he doesn't know what he is doing and that it is not intrinsically wrong. The is no.moral law giver anywhere m the reality is that incest wasn't a bad thing to the ancients just like slavery. Abraham married his sister because that was the norm at that time. Over time for various reasons they got to go against incest and there they were saying that their God was against it. Humans always make the laws they chose to live by and use what every concept of God they invented as an enforcing mechanism. Muslims still allow incest because as a muslim you can marry your first cousin. There is no moral.law giver anywhere. Humans create all the laws and moral codes of conduct they hose to live by and use what ever concept of God they invented as an enforcing mechanism. Your God is not the moral giver anywhere that is why muslims don't even obey his laws when it comes to incest. They still marry their fist cousins . Their own God agrees to that type of incest. It is not a sin to him.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are not smart at all . This a blatant red herring . You want me to focus on answering your question while you keep disagreeing with my answers so that you'll never respond to my question . Ogbeni , Answer my question joor .

You'll tell them to continue na since you agree to subjective morality - they are indulging in what they deemed right .

Tufiakwa ! And as a father , you'd overlook them , pathetic ... Eeewwwww . Atheism is for m0rons only

Which objective morality are you talking about? When Abraham was busy marrying and sleeping with his sister didn't your God know that it was objectively wrong to marry your own sister? No where did I say I support incest. I am just showing you that you have no feet to stand on here when you talk about incest because the father of the abrahamic faith him self was an incestuous person. He married his sister.

KingEbukasBlog:
Apparently bro , the morality of atheists is like a freak show . Mum doing son , dad doing daughter , all consensual and someone will be comfortable with it ?

Tufiakwa !

Do you know atheists will likely have dysfunctional families . How will they restrain their kids from being delinquents . Imagine this convo
Atheist family
Mum : John stop lying to me and stealing from me

John : mum why should I obey you

Mum : because it is good to obey

John : why ?

Mum : because I think it's not good to disobey , lie or steal (subjective morality)

John : sorry mum , I think it's cool to lie or steal . I escape punishments by lying and stealing helps me what I don't have ( son agrees with his personal perspective of morality , mum has to agree with him because she subscribes to subjective morality )

Christian family

Mum : stop stealing from me and lying to me

Paul : why is it wrong ?

Mum : our creator , God has given us moral laws as humans to abide by . He commands us not to disobey , lie or steal . God also said that we should honor your parents , obey them and follow their instructions . People who do bad things do not please God and they pay dearly for their aberration in hell . God loves us and does not want us to get punished , that's why his son Jesus died for our sins . Pray to God and ask for forgiveness . Then confess your sins and try to live right . God is happy with us when we live right .

John : ( everytime John is tempted to err , he remembers God's behest and the bad consequence of disobedience to both parents and God. He sees a good reason to live right ).
Not to be sanctimonious , being a Christian at a young age shaped me into what I am now . I don't engage in depravities - debauchery etc . I keep good friends and discard bad friends and I'm not malleable at al .

Will you keep quiet? Did Abraham not marry his Sister Sarah? Was Issac not a product of an incestuous relationship? S obviously your God supported incest since he allowed one of the greatest figures in the bible to marry his sister.

winner01:
You speak with so much pain and hate. Sometimes i wonder if you're being constantly tortured or something.

That you chose to see pain and hurt in a banter is your own business. After all you are only emotionally attached and driven by this religion that you've been indoctrinated with so anything against it is viewed from an emotional stand point.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro .. wait oo . You never chook mouth for the matter . Is incest right or wrong ?

If you walk in on your grown up son and daughter having consensual sex , as an atheist how would you react ?

Now if you say its wrong , you have to explain to them why having consensual sex for the gratification being derived is wrong . I mean it is consensual , its for the pleasure , they are above 18 , why the heck will it be wrong ?

Did Abraham marry his half sister Sarah and have sex with her for gratification or not? Did he do anything wrong for marrying his half sister? When you answer then I'll answer your questions.

KingEbukasBlog:
This has been addressed before . Don't derail my thread , it is sacrosanct

Until you stop repeating the lie that God doesn't repent when the bible says he does then don't expect anything else.

Oh dear ! Another vitriolic attack - you are questioning by sanity because of my innocent response to an inquisitive mind . Oh winner01 , see another flagrant display of bigotry .

Call police bro. Tell them I am attacking you for spewing mythological gibberish.

KingEbukasBlog:
You need to go back to the basics bro . God does not "repent " . That's a topic for another day .

Its a lie. The bible has God repenting and apologizing for his wrong doings.

Sit down and get schooled

The sixth dispensation, the one in which we now live, is the Dispensation of Grace. It began with the New Covenant in Christ’s blood .The seventh dispensation is called the Millennial Kingdom of Christ and will last for 1,000 years as Christ Himself rules on earth. This Kingdom will fulfill the prophecy to the Jewish nation that Christ will return and be their King. The only people allowed to enter the Kingdom are the born-again believers from the Age of Grace and righteous survivors of the seven years of tribulation. No unsaved person is allowed access into this kingdom. Satan is bound during the 1,000 years. This period ends with the final judgment . The old world is destroyed by fire, and the New Heaven and New Earth of Revelation 21 and 22 will begin.

This means you asked an illogical question - there would be no need for moral laws since man will become infallible in the next dispensation , the seventh dispensation.

What is all this mythological GIBBERISH? Are you mad?

Why are you asking if incest is wrong when Abraham the founder of your religion married his half sister Sarah? If we are to go by the biblical myth, humans decended from Adam and Eve through inbreeding so what the hell are you talking about? Your God sees nothing wrong with incestuous relationships. In Islam you can marry your first cousin and muslims all over the world do that.

Scholar8200:
but none of the hadith writers witnessed the giving of the Quran to Muhammed? only him saw the angel![

How many of the writers of the bible witnessed any of the things they wrote about. The bible gospels were not written by eye witness but by people who lived much later. Who never meet Jesus but write based on hear say. Mark was written 40 years after Jesus died not by any of his disciples but by Christians of the first generation.

Of the jews, Isaiah prophesied it, Paul affirmed it and Stephen confirmed it, (these men were Israelites) that they were stiff-necked and blinded. What do you expect then of the so-called rabbis? Even Jesus denounced their kind-the pharisees- severely!

Paul was trying to sell a new religion. Isiah prophecy has been disputed by.many rabid.

Isaiah 53:1
Who hath believed our report?
and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

Not when John the beloved lived long enough and we have early church fathers (verifiable from history) that were direct proteges of these disciples.

John the beloved lived till when?

Scholar8200:
That was one man making a claim and many believing him.

This is people stating a fact, with many witnesses and prior prophecies and ongoing promises to back up; even the enemies making and still making frantic efforts to cover it up!

There is a difference.

Which one man? Mohammed was an illiterate. His companions wrote down the hadith based on what they witnessed. Same claims muslims also make about enemies trying to cover up things. They call the compilation of the hadith a scientific process.

The so called prohecies about Jesus have been disputed and debunked by Jews. Go and ask any rabbi and see them debunk it. There are many of such debates on youtube. I know you won't agree to it but it's something under serious dispute and debate. It's not a fact. The gospels were written way to long after the so called events by unknown authors to have any historical importance in my opinion.

malvisguy212:
isis and boko haram are jihadist, they are carrying weapon. But the disciples are preaching the word, "faith comes by hearing".

Read the hadith and see the number of the companions of Mohammed that lost their lives in various battles when they were with him. Did you think they gave their lives up over a lie?

Scholar8200:
Inspiration is not the endowment of man with omniscience. It is God through man inspite of the frailty and infirmities of the latter. Hence details left off by Mark is supplied by Matthew etc in agreement with the One Body perspective in the NT.

And were the disciples persecuted for a fiction? Martyred for spreading a fiction? And myriads of people have believed and are still believing this 'Fiction' and they are being gloriously transformed even at present? Finding its promises continually and blessedly true (now you and your ilks may blaspheme to lowest hell but it changes nothing of what I know here!!!)

Well stay high up in the tower your ''higher knowledge'' places you, Blessed be the 'Fiction that revealed Jesus to me, was and is still being attested to as the only Book that transforms instantaneously!

I'd rather remain in this despised place with this Blessed 'Fiction' than be confered a high and dry, ego-feeding but soul damning, grandiloquent but empty tower of vain superiority!

More emotional outburst over nothing . The stories of Jesus discipline being killed for their beliefs came much later by the founding fathers in order to strengthen the faith of the believers. Even at that many people still kill themselves and get themselves killed over lies and fiction. All these ISIS militants and muslim terrorist that kill themselves or get themselves killed and martyred are doing it over what? Are they doing it over the truth?

SirDavico:
Nonsense! The bible is inspired of God.....have u seen how it accurately predicted world events long before they happened?
Take the fall of Babylon for example. The bible predicted That king Cyrus would be the one to capture Babylon. Also, the bible foretold that no one would ever inhabit the land of Babylon after it's destruction.
What do we see today? About 60miles south of Baghdad, the land of Babylon lays in total ruins. Not a soul lives there....so never u again say the bible is a mere fiction. That a laughable insinuation!






Forgive my errors in typing, if any.

I hope u get my point. PEACE.

That passage about Cyrus was written long after it happened. It's very easy to predict things accurately after they have happened already.

KingEbukaNaija:
Lol brother dalaman , brother dalaman , why the blatant show of disingeniousness ? I am talking of the general purpose of life - why the universe exists in the first place . You are just narrowing it down to personal lives of people and what they choose to make of it - we christians discuss about that you know , knowing God's plan or purpose for your life .

Apparently the atheists subscribe to the pantheist's view of a purposeless universe . Sit down and cogitate on these things , what's the purpose of anything , why do I keep denying God's existence because he does not fit into my definitions etc

The person that is disingenuous is actually you. You seem to try to force this narrative of yours that the life of atheist is pointless. Many atheist hold different beliefs when it comes to the purpose of life. As for the purpose of God's plan, that also varies from.religion to religion. Me I don't believe in any God but I still have purpose to live and enjoy myself. That I believe that death ends it all doesn't mean my life is without purpose. Purpose in life depends on what you make of it. As for creation of the earth and universe as a whole. I do not know has always been.my position. What is the purpose of the universe? Your answer will differ from that of a Hindu or buddisht. Life's purpose is what ever you make of it that is why different religions have different states purpose of life. Being an atheist doesn't mean you see.life as pointless.

KingEbukaNaija:
First

Winner01 said :

Maybe he should tell us why anybody needs to believe anything since life is ultimately pointless.

He simply wants to know the point of believing if life is pointless . You can make other rational deductions like what is the point of atheism or recanting a religious belief when life has no purpose .

Now to your senseless rant , the pantheists believe that the universe exists for itself, without cause or purpose. Nothing existed before it that could have been its cause. Nothing exists outside it that could be the source of its purpose. I believe you atheists subscribe to this show of ignorance and close-mindeness

But the religious people understand that life has a purpose and the purpose of life can only be from its creator . All religious people be it Christian , Muslim or whatever believe that life has a purpose and things happen for different reasons known to the creator . The disparity in our beliefs does not rule out the fact that life has a purpose .

Why is life purposeless for an atheist? I as an atheist simply disbelief in God but I don't believe that life is purposeless. Purpose in life depends on what you make of it. An atheist can be a humanist that itself is a purpose. He can be a hedonist, it is also a purpose. Saying that atheistism equates to life being purposeless is IDIOTIC. An ISIS Militant believes that Allah commands him to kill infidels like you. Is his life without purpose? Stop talking foolishly. Recieve sense my brother.

KingEbukaNaija:
Here he goes with his threadbare arguments . This has been dealt with before not once not twice . Its like repeating this same opinion is your hobby , sorry for attempting to deprive you of the joy you derive from it

You have never shown me how dis believing in the Jesus stories make life pointless. Is the life of a muslim pointless because he disbelieves in your God stories? You believe all muslims will end up in hell because they refuse to accept your Jesus stories. Is their earthly life pointless as a result of their unbelief?

winner01:
Seun again . Its not surprising. He's doing the little he can for his country. Ive missed the party though. Maybe he should tell us why anybody needs to believe anything since life is ultimately pointless.
I no get too time now, ill make my submissions tmao.

How does a person not believing in the Jesus story or the Jewish stories in the OT make his/her life pointless? So because I refuse to believe that some imaginary idea created by some ancient people which says that some God sacrificed himself unto himself to forgive humans for the defect he himself allegedly created means my life isn't meaningful? Is your life meaningless because you refuse to accept the Hindu religious stories? What about the life of the muslim? Is it usless because he refuses to accept your own stories and thinks you are a fool for accepting and believing them?

analice107:
And you will never see him say a word against Islam. Someone said he is afraid of muslims.
Atheists don't issues with other religions, it's only Christianity, Shouldn't that tell you there's something about us?

Suprisingly I've been on threads where muslims make this same claim that atheist and christians are always ganging up to fight against Islam. You guys always have the same strategy. Trying to play the victim card and say everybody is against you.

Scholar8200:
So,11 extremely frightened men descended on a band of well trained, fully armed soldiers with just 2 swords, and overpowered them, rolled away the stone and stole the body while the soldiers scampered to the pharisees to report that He rose from the dead and the pharisees bribed them to say instead that the disciples stole the body??

And then afterwards those disciples walk on the road while the same soldiers saw them and looked the other way?

Let's be reasonable!

The problem is that you guys ASSUME that the stories were written by an eye witness. Remember these stories were written at least 40 -70 years after the alleged event by christians who were telling stories about Jesus to promote the newly founded religion. These guys were just writing fiction that is why the gospel account concerning the resurrection kept changing and being embellished. The first gospel said the women saw man, the next gospel written 10 years after the second one said they saw two men buy the time you get to the last gospel written like 30 years after the first they ladies saw two angels. The writers of the gospel were us writing their stories for people to believe and follow their new religion. They weren't writing down actually historical events. The gospels were written way to long after the supposed event happened to carry any true meaning.

winner01:
Story!.


Now lets feel some atheist love from more sincere atheists, who did not learn their morality from christianity or society.

More from God in the bible. The main source of inspiration for all militant atheist who encourages the killing of brothers and kids.


Kill Your Brothers ,Your Kids And Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 )

winner01:
This topic is about atheists. People can see how you cant defend your atheism.

Atheist Arjun Manu, from Calicut, India, posts a billboard mocking Jesus Christ, the Son of God in Christianity, as well as
a prophet as believed in Islam. Does Arjun Manu not have any respect for those who believe differently than he does? Of course today, atheists continue to silence those who think differently than they do, after realizing that their position is illogical: http://news.sky.com/story/1182991/the-christian-underground-in-atheist-china

They have a historical record for doing this.
Under the militant atheism of the USSR, millions of Christians, in addition to millions of Buddhists, Muslims, and Jews were martyred for their faith in God. If Arjun is really for equality, as his profile picture claims, than why does he bully people of faith? His recent uploads compare Jesus Christ to a Vagina during this pious season of Lent. In addition, this billboard picture seems to denigrate those who suffer from mental illness and the homeless. Interestingly enough, atheism is associated with both of these things: (source)

You have defended your murderous God and his murderous prophets how? Keep crying.

More death and destruction from your God. The main source or inspiration for militant atheist.


Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:7-18)

winner01:
Ok. Ive made my point.

Oya take.

Atheist love from Jason Alvin People of faith are nicer, studies
show: source

I have also made my point.

More Godly love from the bible.

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12

winner01:
God spoke through the prophets.

But Jesus came and said repeatedly [size=13pt]"You have heard the prophets say......, But now I say unto you....."[/size]

Cry no more my friend.

Atheist ideologue John Harrington states that Christians do not have any critical thought. It should be noted that most Nobel Prize winners have been believers and that Christianity fueled modern science, as explained in the following exhibits:

http://www.rzim.eu/john-lennoxs-lent-talk-for-radio-4

http://blogs.nature.com/soapboxscience/2011/05/18/science-owes-much-to-both-christianity-and-the-middle-ages

Atheism, on the other hand, has suppressed science: https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=535093553179783&set=a.296894256999715.69511.278360458853095&type=1&theater

John Harrington also dresses up as a Christian cleric in one of his pictures for Hallowe'en. It is interesting that Harrington chooses to mock a clergyman on the date of a Christian celebration!
(Ref: http://www.celebratingholidays.com/?page_id=1116 ).

In his earlier comments, Harrington stated that there has never been an 'atheist state',
despite the fact that nations such as the Socialist Republic of Albania openly declared them to be as such. The Constitution of
Albania in 1976 stated that "The State recognizes no religion, and supports and carries out atheistic propaganda." The USSR
and People's Republic of China, have adopted similar resolutions and have thus attempted to disseminate atheism and liquidate religious communities:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php&fbid=693425560701489&set=a.392139044163477.91994.39099667277714&type=1&relevant_count=1

Jesus said "Do not think I have come to abolish the law of the prophets "

More murderous rampage by the bible God who is the source of inspiration for all militant atheist.

Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3

winner01:
I've destroyed you once on this issue of the USA and UK principles on christianity. Check my replies to you in the past, you will find something ehn.

Here is your brother, Clayton S. Fletcher, an atheist, comes onto a christian page and
advocates prostitution and cannabis usage. Indeed, morality stems from God: http://www.bethinking.org/right-wrong/
advanced/can-moral-objectivism-do-without-god.htm

Be quiet you liar. You refused to show me the Christian principle the US was founded on. You jut went about quoting some deluded christian apologist that didn't know what they were saying. Just tell me the Christian principles the USA was founded on or shut up.

How many Christians use cannabis daily? The number is uncountable. Your God doesnt only take cannabis but spills blood.

You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10)

winner01:
Ok.
And what did Jesus say when he came to redeem the world of sin?

Love your neighbour as yourself.!!

Militant atheist Jared Turner comes up with ridiculous assumptions based on his lack of understanding of Sacred Scripture.

Redeem which sin? Didn't Jesus say he was sent only to the lost tribe of Israel?

More murderous acts from your God. He remains the source of inspiration for all militant atheist. They get their clues from him.


More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18)

winner01:
Most lesbians and female prostitutes in Nigeria are atheists. I've tried to preach God to some of them. I know the replies i got.


In perhaps its most hateful and dangerous billboard yet, the Freedom From Religion Foundation encourages people to NOT TRUST their doctor and scientists who are believers in God. Do they not know it is atheist Christopher Hitchens who sought the help of Believer Francis Collins when he had cancer? Studies show doctors who believe in God are less likely to hasten your death. The advancement of science is because of Theist
scientists, not in spite of them.

Why are you preaching God to them When your God says that you should kill them? You should be killing gays as your God commanded you not preaching to them.

Kill Homosexuals

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)