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winner01:
You do know that lionel messi is a property of barcelona fc, under stipulated contract agreements?

You forgot to include the following contracts from the Jewish encyclopaedia:


But the law limits the absolute power of the master. If he strikes his bondman or bondwoman so as to cause the loss of an eye or a tooth, he or she goes free. If he smites him or her so as to cause death on the same day, the deed is avenged as a murder.

You still remain a pathetic human being for supporting slavery. Comparing Messi to a slave that can be beating and whose death is only seen as murder if he dies on the same day but not seen as murder when he dies on another days only shows that you are foolish. You shamelessly omitted tye other part that says that the slaves death can not be avenged as murder if death occurs on the second day.

If he smites him or her so as to cause death on the same day, the deed is avenged as a murder; but not when death ensues on a subsequent day (Ex. xxi. 20, 21, 26, 27).

Can Messi be beating by Bercelona because he is their property? What is wrong with you? You are a pathetic human being. Look at the efforts you are putting in just to justify the life of ancient people that see nothing wrong in buying selling and passing each other as inheritance to each other.

Another alleviation of bondage is the law (Deut. xxiii. 16, 17) forbidding the return of a fugitive slave to his master by those among whom he seeks shelter. The religious status of bondmen owned by Israelites is well defined by the Scriptures, which make them an integral part of the community.

So what? It states clearly that selling people into bondage was allowed. so I fail to see what you are crying about.

Neither bondmen nor bondwomen are to be required to work on the Sabbath (Ex. xx. 10); indeed, the opportunity for the "son of thy handmaid" to have a "breathing-space" (A. V. "may be refreshed" is mentioned as one of the great motives for the institution of the Sabbath (Ex. xxiii. 12).



Yawns!!! So what day is the free day your wife gives to your house maid?.

What we're you crying about since? That selling people into bondage was not allowed or what? I fail to see what exactly you are defending. People can sell each other into bondage, they can beat up their slaves, they can pass them as inheritance the way they pass their property. So what exactly are you crying about?

JackBizzle:
A slave is a slave. Even if you feed your slaves jollof rice and chicken everyday, they are still slaves.

The bible clearly states that slaves are the property of their masters
The bible clearly states that you can beat your slaves as long as they dont die from the beating.


My guy, go and sleep. You lies are turning more christians away from christianity. Religion can not stand on logical grounds

It actually gets worse for him. Selling people into bondage was allowed. The Jewish Encyclopaedia clearly states it. As for the beating of slaves, it is permitted as long as you do not injure or kill them. If you beat them and they die same day then it will be seen as murder and avanged as such but if they die the next day then it will not be seen as murder.

If he smites him or her so as to cause death on the same day, the deed is avenged as a murder; but not when death ensues on a subsequent day (Ex. xxi. 20, 21, 26, 27).

This is what this deluded winner01 is comparing to house help in our modern world. This guys are just pathetic.

winner01:
So have you kicked off your campaign against the use of househelps in Nigeria?

Will you stop comparing apples to oranges. Go and buy a house help and pass the house help as an inheritance to your kids and see how you will end up in jail. You guys are shameless. Trying to justify slavery because some ancient people thought it was the right thing to do. It cleary states in the Jewish encyclopedia that selling people into bondage was allowed only that the process was different. So what exactly are you screaming blue murder for?

winner01:
Your name should be changed to liar.

Lets hear what the Jewish encyclopaedia has to say about Gentile slaves:

[b]Foreign-Born Bondmen.
The Israelite is permitted by Lev. xxv. 44-46 to buy bondmen and bondwomen (in the true sense of the word) from among the surrounding nations, or from the strangers dwelling in his land, and from the descendants of these born in the land; the "indwelling" stranger being distinguished from the stranger who lives under the same law as the Israelite. Such bondmen or bondwomen become a possession, and are inherited by children like other property. But the law limits the absolute power of the master. If he strikes his bondman or bondwoman so as to cause the loss of an eye or a tooth, he or she goes free. If he smites him or her so as to cause death on the same day, the deed is avenged as a murder; but not when death ensues on a subsequent day (Ex. xxi. 20, 21, 26, 27). Another alleviation of bondage is the law (Deut. xxiii. 16, 17) forbidding the return of a fugitive slave to his master by those among whom he seeks shelter. The religious status of bondmen owned by Israelites is well defined by the Scriptures, which make them an integral part of the community. The males, though of foreign blood, whether bought for money, or "born in the house," are to be circumcised (Gen. xvii. 27; Ex. xii. 44), and when circumcised are to be admitted to eat of the Passover meal (ib.). Likewise the bondmen or bondwomen of a priest may eat of his holy meats (Lev. xxii. 11). Neither bondmen nor bondwomen are to be required to work on the Sabbath (Ex. xx. 10); indeed, the opportunity for the "son of thy handmaid" to have a "breathing-space" (A. V. "may be refreshed" is mentioned as one of the great motives for the institution of the Sabbath (Ex. xxiii. 12).[/b]



Will you or your wife agree to such liberating contract with your house maid?

You are filled with so much hate. Go hug your parents or something.

It clearly states that foreign slaves can be bought and owned as properties, they can be passed on as inheritance like other property. The Jews were not to be treated that way. So what are you screaming blue murder about?

4everGod1:
You see what you choose to see bro. There is manifestation of love in the church everyday and everywhere...from brethren assisting with house rent, school fees, hospital bills, bearing one anothers burden and so on....

Personally when my dad died at least 12 of my church members volunteered to follow me to my village from Lagos to assist with whatever I might need and they even paid their own way to and fro and ran errands till the burial was concluded. Imagine exposing themselves to the risk of the roads ....is that not love?

My son is currently on scholarship in a church members school because she said God instructed her to do that. Is that not love?

How many will I mention? Like I said you only see what you choose.

Again I say I love you bro

I say that there is no manifestation of love anywhere in the church today. If there is we will not be having this conversation. Non of what you have stated is not done by non Christians. Muslims for example help each other, sacrifice for each other, have different Islamic foundations that they use to alleviate the poverty of their societies etc. The whole picture is what we are looking at not a minute picture. Just take a look at the Nigerian church and tell me if these love you guys talk about endlessly exist anywhere. Sure there are a few acts of love that can be shown here and there but generally speaking how is the manifestation? The church as a whole in Nigeria is in a very sorry state. Christians can not give what they do not have. You can only talk about empty talk of love but the reality is very far from what you proclaim.

winner01:
People can go and check in the Jewish encyclopaedia how christians are to treat gentile slaves. You are a terrible liar. I can quote the Jewish encyclopaedia her so people can see. What is wrong with you.

You shot yourself in the leg when you referred people to the jewish encyclopaedia. Admit your disastrous attempt to discredit the Holy Bible.

Where does it mention how christians are to treat gentile slaves? You are confused. The bible already discredit itself when it allows people to buy and sell each other like commodities. It agrees that Hebrews can be sold into bondage as well, just that the sale should be done privately. From the Jewish encyclopedia it says:


The sale of a Hebrew into bondage should be made privately, not from an auction-block, nor even from the sidewalk, where other slaves are sold.

The OP wasted time telling us that the word used for salve actually means employee or servant which is false. He then went in a long rant on why the slaves were not to be treated as property when the bible says slave can be treated as property.

Here is how gentile slaves are to be treated from the bible.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

winner01:
Even before I asked you to read the article, you already concluded it was a lie and so i'm not surprised at this horribly lame attempt to discharge yourself.
People may not know Hebrew but they have the internet which has several language dictionaries.





The op opines that: Simply because as we will see, they were treated higher than slaves. He also gives the name of a credible Historian to support his claim. dalaman on the other hand feels he is a better historian that any christian historian.


Let me quickly point out dalaman 's mischief:

dalaman 's twist and turn:
The truth: The most popular English Bible versions rightfully translates the word "ebed" as slaves: NLV, ESV, NASB, KJV, ISV, HCSB, NET Bible, GWT, NAS, KJV 2000, AKJV et al.
What the Jewish Encyclopaedia really said: The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant" (a) where the word is used figuratively, pious men being "servants of the Lord" (Isa. xx. 3), and courtiers "servants of the king" (Jer. xxxvii. 2); and (b) in passages which refer to Hebrew bondmen, whose condition is far above that of slavery (Ex. xxi. 2-7). Where real slaves are referred to, the English versions generally use "bondman" for "'ebed," and "bondwoman" or "bondmaid" for the corresponding feminines

The dictionary meaning of the word figuratively: The adverb figuratively describes something symbolic, not actual. For example, If a friend invites you to tonight's concert but you already have plans with your family, you might say — figuratively — that your hands are tied.

The Jewish encyclopaedia recognizes that the english versions that use the word servant, make use of it figuratively.

Conclusion: dalaman intentionally abridged the statement from the Jewish Encyclopaedia to make it look as if it is in contrast with the Bible




Also, The op rightfully says:
And backs it up with solid biblical claims:If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated. Deuteronomy 15:16 shows servants often truly loved the leaders of the household and thought of them as family. Leviticus 25:53 says such servants were to be treated as men “hired from year to year” not “rule[d ] over ruthlessly.” They were even to be given a regular day off during the week (Exodus 23:12). Also, Israelite servants could not be sold by their bosses (Leviticus 25:42) and are even differentiated from slaves in this text since it says “they shall not be sold as slaves.” Lastly, Deuteronomy 15:13-14 affirms once a servant’s service was over after 6 years, he was not to leave empty handed. The boss was commanded to furnish him out of his flock, and with corn and wine.
What other explanation proves a contractual agreement? Even though the history regarded them as property, we can see that slavery was clearly based on a lawful mutual agreement.

dalamans simulation:


The Jewish encyclopaedia also disagrees with dalaman: [b]The duty of treating the Hebrew servant and handmaid otherwise than as slaves, and above all their retention in service for a limited time only, was deemed by the lawgiver of such importance that the subject was put next to the Decalogue at the very head of civil legislation (Ex. xxi. 2-11). It is treated in its legal bearings also (Lev. xxv. 39-54; Deut. xv. 12-18). The prophet Jeremiah (Jer. xxxiv. 8-24) denounces the permanent enslavement of Hebrew men and women by their masters as the gravest of national sins, for which the kingdom of Judah forfeits all claim to God's mercy, and justly sinks into ruin and exile.

Also In Rabbinical Literature:The Hebrew servant referred to in the Torah is of two classes: (1) he whom the court has sold without his consent; and (2) he who has willingly sold himself. The court may sell a man for theft only, as noted above. A man may sell himself (Lev. xxv. 39) because of extreme poverty, after all his means are exhausted; he should not sell himself as long as any means are left to him. He should not sell himself to a woman, nor to a convert, nor to a Gentile. Should he do so, however, even if he sells himself to a heathen temple, the sale is valid; but it then becomes the duty not only of his kinsmen, but of all Israelites, to redeem him, lest he become "swallowed up" in heathendom. The sale of a Hebrew into bondage should be made privately, not from an auction-block, nor even from the sidewalk, where other slaves are sold.
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The op also said

In Dalaman 's haste and determination to disprove the Bible, he did not realize that the verse he quoted fully supports the op :




The Jewish encyclopaedia also supports the op: [b]According to tradition, a Hebrew female may not be sold by the court for theft, nor may she sell herself; she may be sold for a bondmaid ("amah" only in the one way shown in Ex. xxi. 7: "When a man sells his daughter for a bondmaid" (A. V. "maid servant". The father has this power over his daughter only while she is a minor, that is, less than twelve years of age, or at least while she does not bear the signs of puberty; and he should use his right only in the extreme of poverty, and then as the last resort before selling himself. The sale becomes complete by the delivery of money or money's worth, or through a deed ("sheṭar" written in the father's name. The girl remains in service at most six years, like a man servant. If the jubilee arrives before the expiration of this term she is discharged by virture of that fact; or if the master dies, though he leaves a son, she goes free. She may also obtain her freedom by redemption at a reduced price, as explained above, or by a deed of emancipation given to her by her master. All this is implied in the words of the text (Deut. xv., Hebr.), "Thou shalt do likewise to thy bondmaid." But over and above all these paths to liberty she has another: as soon as her signs of puberty appear the master must marry her or must betroth her to his son, or must send her free. In case of marriage she stands as a wife on the same footing as any freewoman in Israel. By the very words of the text in Exodus the master is forbidden to sell her to an outsider (lit. "to a foreign people", either as a worker or as a wife.

In conclusion, it may be said of Hebrew man servants and bondmaids that, unlike Canaanite servants, they do not become free by reason of an assault on the part of the master which results in the loss of an eye or a tooth; but, as shown under Assault and Battery, in such a case the master is liable to them in an action for damages.[/b]



dalaman 's reply is disgraceful and does not portray an educated person. It is more disgraceful that his fellow atheists did not bother to scrutinize his claims but hurriedly and ignorantly opted to like his comment. dalaman was more concerned with disproving the bible rather than finding out the truth. He deceitfully abridged quotes from the Jewish encyclopaedia to suit his selfish claims and mislead the public.

This further proves that the op is consistent with the claims of the Bible and that of the Jewish encyclopaedia. It also proves that dalaman could hardly find a lie in the numerous claims made by the op. The few claims dalaman thought were lies have been supported by the very reference he posted. The Jewish Encyclopaedia. He did not look before leaping, just like cloudgoddess have similarly done.

It finally proves that when a piece of solid evidence shatters the notions of an atheist, they have nothing meaningful to say but to call it a lie.

There are two types of slaves as stated by the Jewish encyclopedia. They are the Jewish slaves and the gentile slaves . The treatment of the two are not the same as acknowledged by the Jewish encyclopedia. You and the apologist just dwell on the Jewish slaves without the gentile slaves.

4everGod1:
Dalaman aka Jesusman let me ask you this. Which is harder loving my brethren or loving you who holds a grudge against God?

I choose to love you as I would be no different from anyone else if I love only my brethren. Gods love is all encompassing and you are more than welcome to experience it.

Again I say I love you bro.

I've told you that christians talking about love is akin to muslims saying that Islam is the religion of peace or North Korea calling itself a democratic republic.

If there is any love to be found in the Christian community we would have seen it. You can not give what you don't have. All these your talk about love remains empty since it can not be shown to exist anywhere. Is there any manifestation of love on the church today? The answers is no, so what empty talk about love are you repeating? Love your selves first before you can talk of loving others.

4everGod1:
And I repeat... I am sorry if something happened to you from the Church. Errors occur but those errors are what they are ....errors and not set in stone.

Love is not elusive. If it was you would not be craving to see it so made manifest. If it was then even you cannot show it.

However love does not exist in a vacuum...love did not come about through nothing, love is selflessness and selflessness is love. Its not a demonstration of self but an expression with selfless roots.

I know you so believed in the church and expected so much more from her and at some point your expectations and belief were dashed so you withdrew but did that solve anything?

Come out and express your own love and not lay blames at the doorstep of the church. Believe in Jesus and His true love for you...walk and trust in Him the way you once did and go forward.

Again I say I love you bro.

I really don't have time for empty platitudes. If the love christians profess and constantly talk about is real then it should be seen in their lives and in how they treat each other. Show love to your selves first then we the rest will take you seriously.

4everGod1:
Believers are not geographically rooted but geographically dispersed. I show love and so do other believers scattered everywhere....in a church building not everyone understands and walks with God in obedience yet as some are yet selfish so they cannot fall into the born again mold so do not judge us based on them.

Judge me based on me. I want to embrace and wipe away your hurt the best I can through love.

If you speak so highly about your expectations from the church this shows you are looking up to them for direction. If they prove themselves via the love of God then will u come back home.

I knew deep down you still loved God but just needed all the cobwebs removed. Lets love God together okay?

I repeat you can't give what you don't have. We have selfless Christians, atheist, Hindus. Buddhist, Taoist etc. There is no evidence whatsoever to show that christians display more love to others than non christians. Keep deluding your self by claiming that am undrr some elusive or imaginary hurt that you alone knows and understands. You are only emotionally driven and attached to your beliefs and as such you see everything that way. I can not fault you for it because I was once in that bubble. The love you are talking about is imaginary that is why it can not be seen or show to be on operation anywhere. I repeat take a look at the church and any christian society or assembly and tell me if there is anything like love that is going on there. You can't give what you don't have. The Christian society or church is no different than any other non christian society or assembly. Start by showing love to each other in your various churches first before we will begin to take you and your elusive messages of live seriously.

4everGod1:
Dalaman or may I call u Jesusman, the world revolves around God and not the church.... do not transfer your aggression. I know a church or two hurt u in the past but I am here to make amends. Lets join hands and show everyone what love truly is and be love ambassadors to Nigeria and the church. What do u say bro

Christians keep talking about love the way muslims keep saying that Islam is peace. You can't give what you don't have. Christians can keep talking about love because it makes them feel special but in reality there is nothing to show that christians show more love to themselves and to each other more than non christians. Take a look at the church today. Does it look like a place where there is love? You can't give what you don't have regardless of how much you keep talking about it. If these elusive love you guys talk about is real we would have seen it in your churches and in your lives but no. Your lives are no different than the lives of others that dont subscribe to your beliefsystem. Your churches do not even look like places where love exist at all. Start by showing love to each other in your churches first then we'll take you seriously.

4everGod1:
I want to make Nigeria a better place beginning with u. After all little drops of water they say makes a mighty ocean.

I love u deeply bro more than I or u even realise. Why don't we start by hugging it out okay?

You have been preaching this elusive message of love to each other daily for how many years now but Nigeria still remains a cesspool of hate and disorganization. If these elusive love you preach is real we would have seen it in your churches and among you christians to begin with. Go and start preaching and practicing the love you talk about in your churches let's see the results first then we will begin to take you guys seriously.

4everGod1:
Same way an appliance was designed to function in a certain way by a higher being so are we humans designed by a higher being to be emotionally responsive.

Love, hate are all emotions but how is it that we even have it in the first place? Why do we know when to feel good and when to feel bad and be able to tell them apart?

Love is a good thing and worth sharing and receiving. We offer you love which even you being an atheist knows is good so why run away from it?

God loves you bro and so do we

Go and show your love to your neighbours. Use this love you are talking about to make Nigeria a better place instead of talking about it on the Internet.

winner01:
dalaman, love is what you need. Living with so much pain and hate won't solve your problems. Why not taste and see that God is good.

Love is what you need too. The endless pain you are going through can be wiped off if you start loving the people around you instead of claiming to love an imaginary entity.

winner01:
My brother, true love exists. The love of God. You need to experience true love.
Please, you can hug your wife if not your parents.

I do not need all these empty talk of true love. I am presently in Nigeria and all I do is hear of these empty talk of love of God from people lIke you daily. Where is these elusive love of God among you the christians in Nigeria or any part of the world? Repeating something doesn't make it true, after all muslims keep repeating that Islam is a religion of peace.

I can only experience true live from humans and I've experienced enough of it I can't experience love from imaginary entities.

winner01:
But you do, every single day of your life.

I am always interacting with people like you who believe in the imaginary idea. Have you ever seen any God respond to any atheist anywhere? Your God doesnt exist only people like you that subscribe to the God idea exist and it is you that we have to interact and deal with.

4everGod1:
I know your past hurts pretty bad bro. Let it all out ok? I still love you and so does God.

All these emotional tantrums you are throwing only exposes you. GO and love those around you and make a difference in their lives. If these elusive love you talk about is real it will be seen among the Christian community in Lagos where you stay. Your God is an imaginary idea and as such cam not love anyone. If there is a God that exist and loves me it will tell me itself. It will NEVER rely on you to tell me that it loves me. ONLY a God that lives inside your head will do that.

winner01:
And your problem with those arguments will be......... ?

Nothing. It's something that has been going on for long. Christians threatening each other with hell and calling each other names over doctrinal differences and opinion/interpretations. Creating a christian section will not even solve any of the sectarian bashing. Christians have been bashing each other for years here before atheist came over.

winner01:
Thanks Bro, One love.

I think he has personal issues and i think i might have a clue, courtesy some of his comments.
Most of his arguments are based on the existence of evil, and that further confirms my suspicion.
But one thing he fails to understand is that he cant fight God.

I've detected the agony in him since the first time I quoted him.
Well, what can we do but to pray for him.

Of course I can't fight an imaginary idea. Who can do that?

4everGod1:
Now this is what I call a bitter tantrum...but I still love you bro. The entire Family of God loves you bro.

Go and show.love to your neighbours instead of wasting your time promising elusive love to people you don't even know over the Internet. You said you live in Lagos. Show me this elusive love among the christians living in Lagos else I'll just assume you do not know what you are talking about. You guys just keep throwing empty words that have no meaning in reality because everything about what you profess is imaginary.

4everGod1:
Lol I luv u bro...you sure have a way with expressions...hahahahaha the young man just needs love...there is so much hate and darkness in him.

Dalaman I love you with the Love of Jesus. Make sure you hug lots of folks today okay?

I don't need your love. Love that says obey me or be tortured forever. Carry your love and shove it up your behind. You guys are just emotionally attached to your religion, when people like me.poke holes in it you start spewing emotional trash like I am bitter and filled with hate. Are you bitter and filled with hate when you point out holes in the atheist assertions? I don't think you are and as such you will never see me use such puriele and feeble emotional garbage when discussing God related issues with peeps. You guys are just emotional wrecks and cry babies.

winner01:
You need a hug from your parents.

I've had more hugs from my parents than you. You don't even have parents because you were picked off the streets. Just stop stalking me.

Christian section won't solve the endless arguments between christians. Before the advent of many atheist here the various sect of christianity use to constantly argue against each other always. If a christian section is created a repeat will still occur.

hopefullandlurd:
So summary of this post is that where the bible supported slavery, its actually referring to employer employee

But where it condemns it, its actual slavery its referring to


No hypocrisy or cherry picking here


Hmmmmm



Okay

Just passing by

Perfect summary. These apologist will twist and turn words and give them every meaning in the world. Imagine someone that just wants to tell lies saying that the words were inaccurately translated without giving us the accurate Hebrew words. These guys are ridiculous.

winner01:
Their ignorance is legendary, especially people like dalaman.

This one keeps mentioning my name daily. Please stop having sleepless nights because of me. You should have better things to do than stalking me all the time.

winner01:
What exactly is the meaning of lies? Anything that is against atheism?



So dalaman, I ask you. What is the lie in this fine thread?

Let me point out some of the lies and revitionist garbage. This is the work of an apologist that just refuses to accept that slavery was sanctioned by the bible. He uses the classical excuse all apologist use which is to say that the words used or translated do not really mean what they say. They will change the meaning of words by telling lies because they know that people do not understand Hebrew.




[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=47279812]By [url=http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2015/01/the-bible-and-slavery-answering-atheists.html]

"Slavery" in the Old Testament
Indentured service
“Slave” and “Master” are not the best translations of ‘ebed and ‘adon. The Hebrew word used for “slave” or “servant” in the relevant Old Testament texts is ‘ebed. It simply means “employee” or “servant” and should not be translated “slave.” Paul Copan has noted Old Testament scholar John Goldingay affirms, “. . .there is nothing inherently lowly or undignified about being an ‘ebed.” Instead it was an honourable and dignified term"(1).

The guy just begins by LYING OPENLY. The man is a christian who know that christians do not understand Hebrew and uses that to lie to them. He claims that the word "ebed" doesn't mean slave but should rather mean employee or servant which is a big lie. The true meaning of the word is slave. If you go to the Jewish encyclopedia it cleary says that the word means slave but wrongly translated as servant in most English bibles. Even the JPS which the Jews regard as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew bible uses slave. From the Jewish encyclopedia it says:

"The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant"


http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13799-slaves-and-slavery

The apologist will tell lies about the meaning of Jewish words and then appeal to some fringe authority. He will look for people like him and drop their names as scholars in the field just to decieve people.

One thing I noticed is that the Jews don't lie liken the christians. They accept what is written without going out of their ways to change words, revise things or tell much lies the way christian apologist do. For example if you point to the OT atrocities carried out byGod and his chosen men. A Rabbi will just tell you that God is a God of Justice while a Christian apologist like William Craig will tell you that maybe the Hebrews got it wrong and where not told by God to do the things they wrote down. William Craig once said it in his debate with Eddy Tabash .

Here again he is lying when he says this:

. For example, Exodus 21 demands these servants be treated as persons and not property. If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated.

This is actually not true because slaves can be beaten but they are not to be killed or servely injured. They are the owners property as clearly stated in the verse below. So the apologist is just telling lies as always when he says that slaves are not to be treated as property. The bible says other wise.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

The slaves are to be treated as property and can be passed over as inheritanceto a person's kids. So the apologist is lying when he says they are not to be treated as property. Pure lies.

Unbelievers also bring up Exodus 21:7-11 which mentions a man selling his daughter as an ‘amah, which is rendered “slave” or “servant.” However, based on contextual considerations, Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser
“This paricope pertains to a girl who is sold by her father, not for slavery, but for marriage. Nonetheless, she is designated a ‘servant’ (‘amah, v. 7). Should the terms of marriage not be fulfilled, it is to be considered a breach of contract, and the purchaser must allow the girl to be redeemed; she must not be sold outside that family (v. . Always she must be treated as a daughter or a free-born woman, or the forfeiture clause will be invoked”(7).

Here again the bible puts it very differently.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)


These apologist lie, twist and throws words around claiming context when all they do is just tell lies.

KingEbukasBlog:
Thanks for your meaningful contribution . I'll remove your name and will never mention it again

You can mention my name in truthful write ups not in clearly revitionist and concealed pack of lies. I have no time for that.

Stop tagging my name in long and ridiculous christian apologist garbage. Who do you expect to read this long apologist and revitionist garbage?

winner01:
Welcome home!!! I praise God for your life my brother. Which church do you attend my brother, which part of Nigeria do you stay, we can discuss on email. God bless you.
Now I also pray and hope that Loj Blackjewelry Sirwere RobinHez FrancisTony donnffd Antiparticle Krystalzkris freecocoa OgundeleT TheDauraMallam, thehomer K9blunt ( f ), joywendy( f), herald9 , MarieSucre reallest PAGAN9JA krattoss hahn Queed, dabosuker Johnydon22 realtem sorextee Dekatron djdoxxx kolajamesjnr Liekiller SIRANDREWS , seun plaetton , menesheh wiegraf , finofaya Redlyn , Longstride, Rainess rinrin23 tangled Misogynist2014 Pr0ton , davien teempakguy dorox Joseph1013 cloudgoddess sweetcocoa dalaman hahn menehsheh frank317 plaetton ifeness realmindz lilbrown007 et al. will follow.

When will you stop acting a fool ? How many muslims have you converted through prayers? Infact how many catholics have you been able to convert through prayers? Stop stalking me.

If prayers worked BH would have been history long ago. I remember when they only attacked churches in the North. Alot or christians prayed to God to destroyed them but nothing happened. Things started happening when the military decided to engage them seriously. Praying to God alone to defeat BH is a recipe for disaster because it will never work. After all when you watch the videos released by BH you'll see them praying to their own God as well.

KingEbukasBlog:
Many cultures talked about a global or apocalyptic flood . That should at least tell you that something did happen

Many cultures in the middle east talked about flood not everywhere. Those stories varied a lot in details and originated from the sumerians according to historians.

KingEbukasBlog:
You talk foolishly all the time . Religions in Africa precluded advancement , it saw progress as evil . Christianity brought an end to many adversities caused by those religions . And somehow I am foolish for rejecting an encumberance to development ? Those religions held africans in tenebrosity ,afraid of light . You wouldn't be who you are today If not for Christianity , you ungrateful mortal !

Those religions were what the people knew and developed on their own. True the coming of the white brought enlightenment and all but that also came with a price which was slavery. Are you still saying that it made sense for your God to allow your ancestors to wallow in darkness for thousands of years until Europeans came and visited them about 200 years ago?

You are the claimant , prove your claims .

My claims are all self evident.