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KingEbukasBlog:
More ignorant talk . The Jewish race started with Abraham , he is the 'first Jew' .

This is thrash . Where is your evidence for this. Adam, eve, Cain, Seth, Abel are all Jewish names. Even Jesus ancestry was traced down to Adam in one of the Gospels so I do not know what you are talking about.

KingEbukasBlog:
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Adam and Eve were not Jewish people . The Muslims also have the Adam and Eve creation story in the Koran

Adam and Eve were Jewish people. If you read the genealogy of Jesus in the book of Mathew his ancestry was traced down to Adam. Saying that Adam and Eve were not Jewish is just a pure lie.

KingEbukasBlog:
I am yet to see these facts . Allah was adopted by Islam - Arabic Christians used "Allah" to address God . The gods of your ancestors were demons , fallen angels

That you deny them is your own business. Allah was adopted by muslims with some modifications. Arabic christians use Allah jut as Yoruba or Igbo also adopted Chineke or Oluwa. The initial God's were different. So your God allowed demons to ne worshipped by your ancestors for thousands of years until the slave masters came around just like 200 years ago and introduced them to their own religion right? The Gods that your ancestors worshipped for thousands of years are all demons until the white people came 200 ears ago right? Well done. You really shouldn't feel offended when I call you foolish.

You sound really angry . Its like its palpable .

Angry by destroying your baseless assertions?

KingEbukasBlog:
Another rigmarole with no proof . You really do have enough time to talk nonsense .Where you sacked from your job which was given to you in lieu of other Christians who applied for the same job .

You obviously can not stand facts. How did the idea of Allah or Zues come about? What about the God's that your ancestors worshipped 600 years ago before the white people came and invaded their lands? Where did those ideas came from? No christian has ever taken my Job. I just God a very good Job recently and no christian can take it away from me.

KingEbukasBlog:
Do not pontificate when you know so little . This is your opinion . Ive asked you to provide proof that man invented God . I need to know the humans involved in this invention . Until you provide proof , I'll not pay attention to this rigmarole .

The fact that there are many different Gods is enough proof. How did the idea of Allah come about? What about Obatala and Amadioha? All these Gods were invented by humans just the way yours was also invented by humans. Your great grand parents that lived 600 years ago had their own God's which is different from the one you are worshiping today. They also invented theirs. All God's are man.made that is why there are different Gods and different religions.

KingEbukasBlog:
In some societies , humans are . In the Christian society , God is .

In all societies humans are. In the christians society God was used as an enforcing mechanism for moral code of conducts that humans invented. Now that we live in secular societis our various legislative bodies create and form our moral codes of conducts and laws. No God is needed in our world today for creating or enforcing any moral code of conduct as it was done on the past.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is an opinion , stop being dogmatic about it . Answer my questions please .

You've failed to show that humans are not the creators of moral systems and moral codes of conduct.

KingEbukasBlog:
IMO , this is imprecise . Anyway , God is the source of objective morality right ? This means at a particular time if He says something is right or wrong you take it that way , right ? This also means he determines what should be seen as morally right or wrong , am I right ?

According to your belief based on indoctrination but not based on reality. There are many different Gods that men have invented over time. No God creates any laws or moral code of conduct. Humans do that and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism that is why laws and codes of conduct vary from society to society and from period in time. The law that says that homosexuality is right or wrong was not created by any God but by human beings.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hmmm ... I asked the question first and I dont want to assume you don't know . So can you define Objective morality please .

Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true.

KingEbukasBlog:
I want to know what you know about objective morality .

Tell me what you know. Let's assume I don't.

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you know what objective morality is ? I can see you don't even know what you are opposing .

Of course I know what objective morality is. But let's assume I don't know what it is . Can you please educate me on it.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just said that it was not written if Abraham freed his slaves .

Anyway , slavery was very common during the early bible times , and owning slaves was considered normal and proper at Abraham's time in history. Later Jewish law did not prohibit slavery, but it did prohibit mistreatment of slaves and allowed them to gain their freedom after six years. Also note that factotums were regarded as slaves . And people gave themselves to be enslaved as a way of paying their debt .

In some parts of the word , slave trade still exists . And there are many forms of slavery E.g forced marriages .

The word "slave" has also been used to express a general dependency to somebody else. This system was practiced in many cases, such as in ancient Persia. Farm labour was also seen as a form slavery where people partake in all the farm drudgery for payment .

Apparently , you have a parochial view of what slavery is .

This entry from you alone destroys your baseless assumption that morality is objective. If morality is objective people would still be owning slaves as Abraham and other figures in the bible did. But because morality is fluid and evolves, it had changed so much that any God that tells people to sell their daughters into slavery the way your God did in the bible will be looked at with disgust. My friend you have no feet to stand on on these issues go and take a nap. The bible fully sanctions and promotes slavery simply because the people back then didn't see anything wrong with it. The bible is against homosexuality while many people today are not against it because our morality has evolved. Many people today do not see anything wrong in being gay. Being gay is not objectively right or wrong. The fact that openly being gay in the USA is not a crime it is a crime in Nigeria shows you that morality is not objective. If it were objective both countries will have the same position on it. You just keep making empty assumptions always.

KingEbukasBlog:
The ignorant talk from the atheist . Now what is the remission of sin - forgiveness . And how did God forgive during that dispensation , animal sacrifices . During the early bible times , the children of God sought for His mercy and forgiveness using burnt offerings . They did these too to propitiate God .

So they kept their slaves and still burnt animals as sacrifice? No where was it written that Abraham freed his slaves. So it was ok for them to keep their slaves and continue to sacrifice animals?

KingEbukasBlog:
Only God judges and his judgement determines who would gnash his teeth in Hell or enjoy the guerdons of salvation in Heaven

You just love spewing thrash as usual. Slavery is wrong according to the bible but Abraham had slaves so that means he did the wrong things and will end up in hell as you said right?

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you provide proof they all fasted and prayed and that you were the only atheist ? What the heck are you even saying , Im becoming uncomfortable with your efforts to traduce Christianity lies

They are christians and told me that they fasted and prayed. You don't have to believe me.

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=16pt]I am concerned with you proving the validity your story and the genuineness of the pastor [/size]. I am aware of what happens - this is another topic all together . Those experiences do not preclude God's existence or vitiate the efficacy of prayers .

I don't know the pastor and I have never met him before. Just met him inside the bus. But my point is that good and bad happens to people regardless of religion. I can use myself as an example, a lot of good things have happened to me as an atheist. I applied for a job recently and I was the only person that was picked despite being the only atheist out of the 5 of us that applied. The others fasted and prayed but I the atheist got the Job. We just reason along our religious bubble and lines we fail to see the whole picture. Both theist and atheist experience delays in getting kids. Theist and atheist get rich and run very sucessful businesses. Both also suffer harm and misfortune. No evidence that some are better protected over the others.

winner01:
What name will you give her?. Shes no atheist, theist or agnostic. She also said God answered her prayers, react to that.

God answered her prayers? Getting what you want has nothing to do with any God because it happens to alot of people regardless of their religion.

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=14pt]1. There is no proof this story is true

2. How sure are you the "pastor" is telling the truth ? Anyone can say anything just like what you did . [/size]

You can go to Ezenwata and confirm if it's true or not. Why is it that when things go wrong you throw your fellow christians under the bus with such lame statements? Christians undergo pain and suffering all the time. Innocent Christians get killed daily across the Nigerian highways through accidents or by armed robbers after praying before they embark on such journies all the time. So I sincerely wonder what it is you are saying here.

Is this evidence supposed to show that the God of the bible works wonders in the lives of believers or what? I myself was married for 4 years without a kid. I had my first daughter 4 years after marriage when I was an atheist. I never prayed to any God. My wife herself is a Catholic but she isn't very religious. She prayed alot those times though. All my life I wanted to have two daughters and that was what I got now. Good and bad things happen to every body.

Around March I was traveling from Jos to Lagos with the Night bus. I just came back to Nigeria and went to visit a very close friend that lost his wife in Jos. We were close friends back in Germany me him and his wife. I followed Ezenwata transport from Jos to Lagos. The bus left around 5pm in the evening. Once we embarked on the journey a bus preacher stood up prayed and preached with very powerful convictions that we will get to our destination safely. He then went on about how he has never been sick for the past 15 years because of how God is by his side, preached and told people that they should give God and watch how he will bless and protect them. That was my first time ever of following a night but from one part of Nigeria to another and I was suprised that he collected money from the people. I've heard that bus preachers collect offerings from people but I've never witnessed it myself. The guy talked so much about God protecting him. As the journey proceeded. The man sat on seat 21 by the window. Around Okene as we were travelling a trailer loaded with some building materials on the opposite side released on of the things as a missile and it struck him right on his eye(his window was opened ). If you see blood. I am very sure he lost his sight as a result. There he was a pastor that was talking about God protecting him for over 15 years and not falling sick was mysteriously hit by a flying missile from a passing truck. Any body that stays in Jos can verify this story. It happened in March and the name of the bus company is Ezenwata transportation. They are located where people enter the night bus there around Meternity area in Jos.

The bottom line is good and bad happens to everybody regardless of religion. Muslims all experience miraculous events and attribute it to Allah. Hindus experience same. No evidence whatsoever to show that christians are better protected or having it better than non christians anywhere. It's just make belief. Same harm and disaster affects us all equally. Same prosperity and goodies spread around equally too as well.

winner01:
Dont worry my sister, dalaman will explain to you better using naturalistic terms.

Boy!!! Why are you stalking me na?

KingEbukasBlog:
Provide proof the gospel is not true . There is no contradiction anywhere . Why do you think the Gospel books were permitted to be part of the historical account of Jesus since you claim they are contradictory ? They are not contradictory or else any "contradictory book" would have been deemed heretical and destroyed . Read about the Council of Nicea and the role the participants played and stop spewing garbage in a public forum - its embarrassing .

The gospels are demonstrably false. They place events and time that completely cancel each other out. For example when exactly was Jesus born? Was he born during the time of Herod or not? When exactly was Jesus crucified? Was it a day before the passover or not? Who did the women see when they went to the tomb? Was it a man or two angels? All these things depend on the gospel account you read. But am not even going dwell on all these endless contradictions. The gospels are demonstrably false given that what Jesus himself and the promise he made are false.

We can put it to test and see. Jesus we were told said that

You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father.
John 14:13


It says you can ask for anything in his name and he will do it. So please I know you truly have faith in Jesus and you truly believe in him. I will ask you to ask Jesus to please heal all the babies that are born with down syndrome in Nigeria today. They are suffering for no reason of their own, they just happen to be born with a genetic disorder that is making them suffer. Pray to God to heal them. It is a noble and good prayer. Anybody that can provide a cure to down syndrome will be hailed the world over. Say that noble prayer and let's see if it does not fail. It will fail despite the promise of Jesus because it is a lie. The gospel is a lie and the promise of Jesus is a lie. That is why even when you say it it will never happen because it is a lie. If it is true then prove that is is true. I don't have time for these endless back and forth. If the gospel is true we will see it in action because it is a lie we fail to see it in action period.

KingEbukasBlog:
Thank God for winner01 . More and more revelations are being made and the lies of the foolish ones are being exposed .

Lilbrown007 thinks Jesus did not exist . I wonder what Dalaman will say this time

What is there to say? Sure there is a man behind the myth and Legend. Mohammed lived as a historical person too. But that doesn't mean that the stories in the Hadith are true. Jesus as a man lived but that doesn't mean that the stories in the gospels which were written 40-70 years after he died were true. The contradictary nature of the gospel stories cancel each other out themselves. I've never compared Jesus to any pagan God ever because it doesnt even matter to me. Christianity is just another man made religion and that's the fact of the matter.

KingEbukasBlog:
The reality of the matter is that those depravities mentioned are wrong because the moral law giver - God - said so , even though they were practiced at some point by Christians it does not mean they were accepted to be moral . Moral rules can be ignored or forsaken to carry out different evil acts . You deny God's existence that's why you think there is no objective morality . No wonder some atheists can engage in incest , rape , murder , bigotry because they have been deceived to think God was being used to enforce such rules . Mao , Hitler , Soviet Union carried out those killings without compunction because they felt they were doing the right thing - that is subjective morality for you and that is what atheists live by .

Tufiakwa ! Ndi ojo !

Even with God rape, incest , murder and bigotry were all allowed. Read the bible.

winner01:
dalaman.

The militant atheist Phillip Rose recently tried to repudiate the fact that he advocates the position of militant atheism. His hate-filled videos have titles such as"Fornicate the Catholic Church", "Rape God and the Bible", and "Bigoted Christians". His propaganda videos "give the impression" that the word "rapist" is associated with the Christian Church. Why do militant atheists such as a Phillip Rose hate the religious believers who
work tirelessly to serve the world? Related post:

I've told you that all militant atheist get their inspiration from the God of the bible.

Rivers of Blood

I will leave your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will water the land with what flows from you, and the river beds shall be filled with your blood. When I snuff you out I will cover the heavens, and all the stars will darken; (Ezekiel 32:5)

winner01:
Dalaman


Is this what happens when society moves away from religious morality? Has moral relativism of secular society gone too far?
What's next? Legalization of pedophilia as long as it does no harm and consent is involved? 'A Plea to Atheists: Pedophilia is
next on the Slippery Slope; Let us turn back before it's too late':
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0811/atheists_pedophilia.php3#.VFXwafnF-Sq

Will you keep quiet. Abraham one of the main character in your bible was an incestuous man. He married his sister. Muslims still marry their first cousins.

KingEbukasBlog:
We have objective morality to determine what's right or wrong . That's why Christians who assent to abortion , homosexuality , enthanasia etc are wrong . I'm not sure what Israel and the Muslim community think about Jesus has anything to do with the fact that moral values came from God .

Who has objective morality to determine what is right or wrong? Is slavery objectively wrong? Why has it been practiced by almost all of humanity for thousand of years? What about incest? Muslims and others still practice it. It was also practiced by the Jews in the past. What about homosexuality? Is it objectively wrong? Why do many people see it as objectively right? Abortion and euthanasia are not objectively right or wrong. If they were people will not be debating about them. Moral values do not come from any God that is why moral values differ from society to society and period in time. 300 years ago all the blacks living in the USA were slaves. They had no right at all and the peopledidn't see slavery as a bad thing. But today a black man is the president of the USA and all the people living in the US see slavery as a bad thing. Muslims believe the Sharia moral system is the best moral system on earth. You do not agree with it but they say it came from God himself. Why do you disagree with it and only accept the one you have been indoctrinated with? People create what ever moral system they chose to live by and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism. That's the reality of the matter.

winner01:
Oya dalaman, take it.

Atheist social Darwinist advocates genocide against religious people based on the malicious lie that religious people are
genetically inferior. He/she also supports the former Albanian atheistic communist regime where religious people were persecuted. Does atheism lead to social Darwinism?
Atheist communist Albania:
"The first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha
(1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001). For several
decades, atheism was brutally enforced. All religions were outlawed, religiously-based city names were changed, religious names for all people were banned, religious leaders were forced to flee and those that remained were imprisoned, tortured, and killed, and religious buildings were destroyed or converted into secular buildings (Jacques 1995). Life in this atheist nation was
wretched: no democracy, gross human rights violations, widespread poverty, lack of adequate health care, etc. Although literacy rates did skyrocket under Hoxha, atheist Albania was definitely not a model of societal health. It was an isolated, under-developed, poor nation held hostage by a paranoid,t
vindictive tyrant."

Thrash. Coming from someone whose God advocates for the death and destruction of others that worshipped other Gods. This is shameful. Your God remains the source of inspiration for all militant atheist.

God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9)

KingEbukasBlog:
God is the source of objective morality and since you have denied God's existence , you believe there is no such thing as objective morality . I know of God's existence and over 32 percent of the world's population are subject to his laws . The modicum atheists in the world are the ones who do not agree with objective morality . They are culpable for moral decadence !

The Chinese praise Mao -they do that because they are brainwashed to believe such wickedness carried out by that man deserves adulation . They are being coerced by the communist governments to accept certain unpleasant conditions and they are inured to it . The same way North Korea's president have brainwashed their youth to believe he is god and that they should be prepared to risk their own life to save the supreme leader .

Now tell me , why is Mao evil ? What are your reasons ?

God is the source of which objective morality? Is it the sharia moral system? About 1.6 billion muslims believe it came from God. Is Sharia an objective moral system? Why are only 32% of the world population subjected to this objective moral laws of your God? Of it is objective then it will be universal. You have used your own words to show that.morality is not objective I, of it were it will be universal and remain same throughout time. Bybthe way christians do NOT all subscribe to the same moral views. There are christians on all side of all social moral issues both for and against. Some christians support abortion while others oppose it. Some support euthanasia while others oppose it. Some support gay marriages while others oppose it. Capital punishment etc Christians are in all sides on all social and moral issues with no consensus. There is no objective morality anywhere. You have failed to show that it exist anywhere. As for the Chinese believing that Mao was a national hero same can be said about you. GO TO Israel today and hear the things they say about Jesus. They said you guys were just deceived, they claim Jesus is not what he claims to be and you guys were deceived and indoctrinated about his stories. So anybody can say anything about anyone.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , I just want to know if Mao was good or evil to you and your reason . Subjective morality is all about your own perspective , that's why Im expecting different answers and reasons . Don't make it about discussing the existence of God .

Where did I mention God here? You made a false assertion and I countered it. Was Mao a good person? I don't think so. But these things are not set in stone. The Chinese believe he is was a good person and a great national hero. Let me ask you a simple question. The founding fathers of the USA despite building such a great country were slave owners and happily promoted slavery. Were they good people? Was Prophet Mohammed a good person? Muslims say he was the best man that have ever lived. Was he a good person to you? The answers you provide to the questions I asked will show you that there is nothing like objective morality.

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't get . Don't you agree with me ? If I launch my rebuttal , you'd do likewise . Its always an impasse , we can't seem agree on morality

But I need your attention here : https://www.nairaland.com/3204230/nairaland-atheists-man-good-evil

That's because your assertion is demonstrably false. Religious morality is not objective. I just gave you an example with the Islamic sharia law which to the muslim is the most objective system of morality as dictated by the creator of humans himself. Is it objective to you? Why or why not? Stop spewing thrash with confidence.

KingEbukasBlog:
So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .


No circumlocution , give your answer and reason please .

You keep talking thrash daily. Your evidence that morality is objective and has always been objective the world over is WHAT?

KingEbukasBlog:
Cool

But ...

@emboldened text : Where did you get this from ? - How would respond to the question . Remember , they are adults -18, 19 - not children that you can easily inveigle them into obeying you .

I got it from the society I live in. I'll simply tell them that it's wrong for them to be having sex as brothers and sisters because its bad for the gene pool because all sex can leat to pregnacy. If they chose to disobey that's their business.