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Seriously I am really disappointed and by your disingenuity.

KingEbukasBlog:
Seriously ? Australia , North Korea , Netherlands and Sweden are atheistic countries ... right ? And there are crimes in the aforementioned countries ... right ?

There are crimes in every country. The crime rate in Sweden, Australia and Netherlands put together is nothing compared to that of Nigeria which remains one of the most religious country in the world with one of the highest number of theist. The annual homicide rate in these 3 countries put together is less that that of Lagos as a state. You made a very silly claim and I asked you a specific question and you ran away from it. Name any country that has a sizeable christian and atheist population that has the scum and scalawags as atheists. You can't name any because you are simply lying.

According to BBC , Sweden's rape cases are on the spotlight . Sweden is described as the rape capital of the West . Australia , a self-acclaimed atheistic country was also described as the kidnapping capital in the World .

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

The very link you posted gave you up. Yo clearly did not read it because the issue isn't as you are trying to portray it because it involves a lot of technicalities. Take Australia for example(Which has a far less kidnapping rate than Nigeria which happens to be one of the most theistic country in the world). It's kidnapping data includes parents who fight for custody of their children. From the report it says:

"Official figures from the United Nations show that there were 17 kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in Canada.
That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.
So why haven't we heard any of these horror stories? Are people being grabbed off the street in Sydney and Toronto, while the world turns a blind eye?
No, the high numbers of kidnapping cases in these two countries are explained by the fact that parental disputes over child custody are included in the figures.
If one parent takes a child for the weekend, and the other parent objects and calls the police, the incident will be recorded as a kidnapping, according to Enrico Bisogno, a statistician with the United Nations"

So you can clearly see that a simple family dispute over custody of children which does not count in other countries as a case of kidnapping is being included in Australia and classified as kidnapping.

The same applies for the rape cases in Sweden. From the report it says that:

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

So, there you have it, it is the methodology by which rape cases are recorded in Sweden which differs completely with how it is done in other countries that makes their own rape cases seem higher not that their rape cases are actually higher in real life.

Because you typed none sense and called it a fact does not make it one . Again you are making suppositions outta your hardened mind . Deal with it ,those people's experiences have disproven your weak claims

Who are these people? People that already live in societies where christians already exist, right? Can you mention anybody living in a place like say Thailand which has a less than 1 percent christian population knowing about Jesus through revelation? Don't come and start telling me about ex muslims and Buddhist living in western societies. Name one indiviual who lives in a society where there are no christians like Thailand who has never been in contact with christians that got the revelation of Jesus any where.

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you know that most drunks , scallywags and scums of the society are atheists? Try telling them about Jesus and see how you will be mocked publicly

. Can you provide the study that shows that most drunks and scums of any society are atheist? We can begin with Nigeria, since we both know the country and its people very well. All the drunks in Nigeria are theist, all the criminals that have destroyed the country and have refused to allow it grow are theist, all the fraudsters in Nigeria are theist, Boko Haram are all theist(in fact in Nigeria we have had so many countless religious crisis that has killed many people), all the prostitutes in Nigeria are all theist, in fact over 97 percent of the people living in Nigeria are theist. The corrupt leaders that have refused to allow the country move forward are all theist. All the criminals in Nigeria and the scum of the society are theist. Name any society that has a sizable atheist and theist population where majority of the drunks and scalawags are atheist.

There are many who have testified about knowing Jesus through a revelation

If people can know about Jesus through revelation then why did Jesus tell people to go and preach to the world? Why didn't he reveal himself to every body? Why does it have to take the slave masters to bring christianity to Africans? You must be told about Jesus by someone before you know about him that is the fact.

KingEbukasBlog:
On his behalf ? I have a penchant for having arguments .. no more like a propensity to argue - I sometimes disagree to whatever opinion one has - that's how I believe I can learn from another person . And the religion section is the best bet . Comprendre ?

Someone can find Christ without the bible .

Sure, you can be a christian without reading the bible, so many illiterates are christians. You can not be a christian without being told about Jesus.

KingEbukasBlog:
Off course . During rapture , the saints will be taken away to heaven - God's abode . Then during His second coming the saints would be back for their eternal stay in the New Earth . The New Jerusalem will be brought forth from Heaven , according to the bible . The mansions and all are in the New Earth

Dalaman , apparently , you chose to harden your heart against God . We've been repeating this same thing in this same thread and you are obdurate about your opinions on the subject .

I have told you what my problem is with religious scriptures, the fact that they are not clear and the various different interpretations and opinions that abound and why it all amounts to a total failure. I do not chose to harden my heart against any God . If there is a living God that exist and wants me to know him and have a personal relationship with him as you guys claim, you will not he here speaking on it's behalf. He will do all his bidding himself.

KingEbukasBlog:
The thread clarifies that mansions , good life ,prosperity are for Christians in the New Earth during Christ's second coming - clearly written in the bible . Its a common misconception to think its in Heaven - God's abode .

I once thought that God came from nothing (self-existent) - a misconception - even when the bible made it clear that He is eternal , no beginning no end . Would you have asked me if I was confused ? Many Christians still have the belief that God's power made He come from nothing . A christian comic book I had as a kid made the clear insinuation that He did and I picked up on that . I still remember the first page of Him supposedly coming from nothing. The adults told us to refrain from asking who created God when the bible clearly stated that He had no beginning


You Mr really have to loosen up with the way you see Christian beliefs. Stop the objurgation and try to understand basic stuff before you spew your suppositions .

Not really because the bible has Jesus clearly saying he will come back and take people to go and be with him and stay with him in the place where he came from.

John 14:2-4
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

The passages are all ambiguous and subject to interpretation. What exactly does God want people to know about him from the bible apart from confusion? Nothing in the bible is clear from the nature of God to what he wants from humans and how salvation can be attained. Nothing is clear. Everything just depends on which sect you belong to and how your pastors and other preachers interpret the bible to you purely based on their own personal opinion. Nothing shows that all religions are man made like the endless confusion and failure to agree on basic things in their religious scriptures. I repeat if the bible is the work of a living God the way christians claim then the bible will be clear like the multiplication table.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its normal for people to get things mixed up in every area of life . You have parents to guide you in life and explain to you intricate issues you might face or you faced . In school , you've got teachers and even your fellow students through whom you can learn from. In CHurch , you have your pastors and the brethren to guide you as read God's word and answer questions in areas you dont seem to understand .

This bible verse elucidates the first sentence you made

1 Corinthians 14:26



When you assemble , when you have a fellowship , a christian discussion like we are doing ... each has a psalm , a teaching , a revelation and a what ... interpretation . And the purpose ? For edification - the moral or intellectual instruction or improvement of someone.

Another non issue raised by you . You dont seem to give up even when you are publicly humiliated .

1 Thessalonians 5:11


Again ... Dalaman we are building up one another ..please dont disturb

cc : lalasticlala

Stop throwing silly bible verses around that supports what I am saying. Does your God want people to know if people will inherit mansions in heaven or not? If he wants people to inherit mansions then why are you guys arguing about it? Why doesn't he ever tell you guys exactly what he wants? Why are you guys always confused about every issue? What exactly is your God's plans for the after life? Is it for Christians to live in.mansions I'm heaven or not? Why the confusion?

abdulwastecx:
My only problem with all these mansion is the congestion they will cause in the said heaven ( a mythical sky city) with billions if not trillions of Christians.

What do you now do in these mansions?
Who will maintain them, pent them regularly?
How will you now relate with others if everyone in heaven lives in one mighty Palace o sorry mansion for ever.

The problem with heaven is that it was propagated thousands of years ago when men were living like animal, with poor standard of living and bad environment. Now we have sophisticated technology, the premier League and so many things that you will not get in those heaven.

Life will be super boring in a big mansion heaven where you eat and sleep for eternity

If you are to bring back to life the author of the book of revelations and drop him in a place like Dubai, the author will tell you he is in heaven . These guys wrote and imagined a better world when they were under occupation and we're lacking almost all the basic necessities of life. It's funny how people living in the 21st century century still believe them.

selfmadeOLX:
The inspired written word of God "The Bible" is life in itself.. It is our mortal compass.. Its has no contradictions whatsoever

The problem is not with God or the Bible.. The problem is with the human understanding and perspective
Seek the Holy Spirit which is our Teacher.

The bible is one of the most contradictory book around. All the various sect with in christianity all lay claims to the holy spirit don't they?

LoJ:
Pertinent. I do not agree with all stated therein, but fundamentally in my perception you are right.

It is very simple, if the bible is the word of an all powerful God that exist as the christians want us to believe, then the bible will be very clear and easy to understand like the multiplication table. Any body that reads it will understand it and it's message will be universally understood like the multiplication table. The fact that the bible is not clear and subject to various interpretations that are based purely on the opinions of the reader says it is the handiwork of men just like any other book.

KingEbukasBlog:
Please dont derail . Only enlightened, sound and intelligent minds are allowed to contribute , apparently . Your opinions are as insignificant as Newcastle's consolation goal against Chelsea in the emphatic 5-1 win for the Blues .


Swerve !

KingEbukasBlog:
Again a poor sense of deduction .



You just murdered logic

No one was there, it was a mythical tale that was just conjured up.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman . I clearly said :


Gravitational waves once occurred on the pages of Einstein's research notebook

You were not there? Was the person that wrote the mythical story there? No one was there to witness it because it never happened.

Why are you all over the place? What has Einstein got to do with the flood myth written inside the bible?

Confusion galore. This is my problem with all religions, just yesterday I saw some muslims on TV debating about what God really meant by a verse in the Koran. In christianity the confusion is much worse. If the bible is the word of a God that truly wants people to know him, his intention and his message then why didn’t such a God cause the bible to be written in a language that can never be misinterpreted, or forged by any human being, a language that does not need any holy man to translate it for people, a language that even a child in any country can read it on his own and quickly comprehend it?

The multiplication table can’t be forged, or tampered with without someone quickly spotting the flaw, any child anywhere in the world can comprehend this table in a few hours, yet the same can’t be said about the bible/quran that is said to be God’s word for mankind on how to know him and interact with him. If man with his puny brain could devise such an accurate system as the multiplication table, that is beneficial to entire world and every human on earth can agree to this system, then surely the alleged supreme being that created the universe can do much better than these antiquated books of lies, contradictions, superstitions, and myth that we call the bible and quran. See christians here falling over themselves trying to explain to each other what ancient Jewish mythology is all about. Funny people.

KingEbukasBlog:
You dont refute evolution when its been addressed by a fellow atheist . You do not denigrate the theory and you always objurgate Christians whenever we explain or try to dispel misconceptions you guys have . I'm trying to explain to CoolUsername how possibly a myriad of species of animals were accommodated in the Ark and you just came in and described a biblical event as an absurdity . Stay classy man , stay classy .

Your rants will not change the FACT that the Flood took place

You are not explaining anything to him. You are just lying because the explanation you are putting forth goes against what the bible has stated, the bible clearly said only those in the ark survived, while you are saying that some animals might have survived. The flood only happened in the pages of the bible not in reality.

KingEbukasBlog:
You lie to yourself too . Evolutionists pick up bones and see caves then create imaginary ancestors of animals and attempt to create an establish their lifestyle and you don't seem to have any problem with it .

Try googling "why are women weak evolution " , a pop-corn by your side off course as you read through

Will you keep quiet? Where have you ever seen me arguing in favor of evolution? I just hate the lies you spew all the time. You claim the bible is the word of God but are always quick to throw it away, ad things to it or deny what it says all in your quest to explain it's absurdities.

KingEbukasBlog:
I was not there so I can make only intellectual inferences

1. The young ones of most animals could have been taken in - they are smaller in size . E.g : young one of an elephant vs an adult elephant

2. Some animals Noah did not take in may have survived the flood . Legends say men eg Tubal Cain survived the flood so animals may have survived too

3. kinds refer to genus , and species come under genus in the taxonomic rank . So 50,000 genus means more animal species were taken into the ark

This is the problem I have with you guys. You lie all the time even to your selves.

1. The bible does not talk about taking any Young animal. It is just the making of apologist in trying to make sense of clear and ridiculous absurdities.

2. The bible clearly stated that everything that was not inside the ark died, why are you lying to yourself by not accepting what the bible says?

3. Kind does not refer to genus anywhere. It is simply the making of the apologist.

KingEbukasBlog:
Talking utter balderdash in the face of facts is just inane . Smh . When will you stop this public show of shame ?

Will you keep quiet? Religion has no major role in their lives. Majority of them have no religion even by the figure you posted. Their President is an atheist, most of their political office holders have no religion. Religion isn't allowed in public schools and public places, so what exactly are you talking about?

johnydon22:
This is truer than true...

Blind conformity to authority is the greatest enemy of truth in every human society

People are attracted to religion because it is a parental substitute. People like security and are uncomfortable with unknowns and unanswered questions. Parents provided security and try to answer all our questions when we were children. Religion offers security (God has a plan and is looking over you) and religion will answer any question anyone has even though most of the answers will sound like nonsense to those who do not accept that religion, but then a lot of our parents answers to our childhood questions would sound like nonsense to those not in the family. Basically that is how it functions.

SirWere:
Ohhh......... That's why you mentioned S.Korea!

Well, I'll have you know that during the development of South Korea as a country, their traditional ethnic religion was seen as a stumbling block in their national development. The government actually took steps to eradicate the religion..........and succeeded.



The case of Africa and Religion is a sad form of parasitism. Africans will never be one as long as the religious barrier is still there. You can never trust your Hausa Brother because he is Muslim or give the Yoruba man money because you think he's fetish.

The fact is that, in Africa, if we are to develop, Africans have to be less religious (this doesn't mean agnosticism or atheism, just less strict observance of some laws) else we are just circling the same own path.

Even the Jews had to really drop their strict observance of their laws and religious edicts, some polls say that about 45 percent of the people living in Israel are atheist and agnostics.

KingEbukasBlog:
That's a flagrant denial in the face of facts . Religiosity in South Korea is very preponderant

From a predilective research group : PewResearch :

2. In 1900, only 1% of the country’s population was Christian, but largely through the efforts of missionaries and churches, Christianity has grown rapidly in South Korea over the past century. In 2010, roughly three-in-ten South Koreans were Christian, including members of the world’s largest Pentecostal church, Yoido Full Gospel Church, in Seoul.

4. Only about 11% of South Koreans are Catholic, but a survey we conducted in March found that the population has a positive view of Pope Francis. More than eight-in-ten South Koreans (86%) said they have a favorable opinion of the pope, higher than the share of Americans (66%) who had a favorable view of him in February. (Among U.S. Catholics, 85% said they have a favorable view of the pontiff.)

[Stanford] :

In contrast, South Korea today is a multi-religious society. In addition to Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, and Shamanism, there can be found religions of all stripes and colors, thanks in no small part due to the increase in foreigners who now number at more than one million. Islam is one religion that has made a sizeable gain in Korea in the last half century. As of 2005, it operated nine mosques, four centers, and sixty temporary worship halls around the country. The actual number of Muslims is about 150,000 and growing, out of whom 35,000 are believed to be Korean converts to the faith. There are also countless new religions, some of which are foreign and others domestic. From Japan, Tenrikyo and Soka Gakkai have been most successful; a Taiwan-based neo-Buddhist order of Supreme Master Qinghai is gaining a foothold; native new religions such as Cheondogyo, Won Buddhism, and the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon all command respectable followings.

Korean religions have been slowly becoming global in their expansion strategies and receiving worldwide attention for it. South Korean Christian missionaries are particularly active in proselytizing, found in locations as varied as Africa, the Middle East, and China. It is also no secret that Korean Christians have formed a large base in northeastern China, where they offer humanitarian aid to escaping North Korean refugees as part of their missionary work.

http://spice.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/religions_of_korea_yesterday_and_today

[Wikipedia]

(46.5%) of South Koreans have no religion; among those that follow a formal religion, there is a dominance of Buddhism, Protestantism, and Roman Catholicism. According to the census of the year 2005, 22.8% of the population identifies as Buddhist, 18.3% as Protestant and 10.9% as Roman Catholic, totaling a 29.2% Christian

The Wikipedia reference you made is also from the Pew research.

(46.5%) of South Koreans have no religion; among those that follow a formal religion, there is a dominance of Buddhism, Protestantism, and Roman Catholicism. According to the census of the year 2005, 22.8% of the population identifies as Buddhist, 18.3% as Protestant and 10.9% as Roman Catholic, totaling a 29.2% Christian .

Majority are clearly are non religious. Religion is not preponderant at all. It does not matter in their lives, their current president is an atheist, a lot of their political leaders are atheist. They do not pray to any God before conducting anything, prayers and religious activities are banned in public places like schools and government establishment. You can not pray before conducting an official government meeting the way it is done in Nigeria. Religious instructions and prayers are banned in public schools, how then is religion preponderant? This is 2016 get sense oo.

UyiIredia:
They are highly developed and highly religious.

Highly religious according to who? South Korea is one of the most atheistic countries in the world.

johnydon22:
[b] A muslim would forever argue that the ones that left Islam were never True muslims and servants of Allah.
Christians would forever argue so and even brand such a person many unwarranted names like "Agent of Devil, demon etc"
it is no surprise that even within Christiandom none of them even regards the other denomination to be true Christians makes you wonder that their version of "True Christian" is always in reflection to their own ideas that is why no Christian is ever a true Christian to the other.
Let us face the simple truth here..
At one point most of us were either Quran thumping, fore-head smashing muslim or Bible thumping, tongue firing, spirit bathed Christians spanning from Childhood indoctrination or personal act of convictions.
Not once do we imagine our belief being wrong or even ever wanted to imagine that. Not once have we questioned or even thought about the things we believed or applied our straight reasons as humans in relation to these convictions.
Not until a pinch of reality hits you, a fearful ever pricking question keeps sipping in..
"Muhammed never rode Buraq?, There was never a global flood and a wooden ark?, or naked couple eating a fruit because a talking snake with legs said so? or the moon ever split ?, the sun or earth never stood still for men killing each other.?
Or the plain disturbing Character of these distinct beings bathed on us in form of belief.
"Loving the smell of burnt animals, hating unbelievers or ready to burn anybody that hurts it's ego forever for his own glee or glory"
Nope it never made sense once you thought about them, it seemed Narcissistic, barbaric and sadistic... And curiosity and reason takes you ever further.
Once you encounter a conflicting ideology it always leaves a mark that may take years to be realized.
Yes people abandon their FAITH, even bishops, pastors, Imams.. and Yes they were true to their formal faiths.
Why i always say, when an irreligious argues over belief with a religious.. its not really about winning the debate not even close. All it takes is a pinch of doubt Once the words plants this seed of doubt, natural curiosity takes it from there.
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Human beings just have a natural tendency to conform to the views and beliefs of whatever group or community they belong to. Even if those views or beliefs are unfounded and irrational. Psychological experiments conducted by Solomon Asch and Stanley Milligram have proven that human beings under group situations and under the influence of authority figures will readily conform to the consensus around them even if the agreed consensus are clearly unethical or incorrect. That is why muslims for example see nothing wrong with Mohammed marrying a 6 years old baby and consummating the marriage when she was 9, or why christians do not see anything wrong when God in the bible encourages slavery and even tells people to sell their daughters into slavery among many other absurdities. When faced with such absurdities muslims chant pious comments like Masha Allah, while christians just regurgitate the hallelujah line and try to get their minds of it.

After all the religious books are completely against doubt. They discourage doubt and dissent in what ever form. Doubt is a vice that is sinful. Example the Koran says that the believers are the ones who believe in Allah and his messenger and never doubt.(49:015).

It also uses subtle intimidation. Oh you who believe do not ask questions about things which, if made plain to you will cause you trouble.(5:101). Muslims are encouraged to say we hear and we obey.(2:285)

The bible has passage like who are you a man to question God. The bible calls those who believe blessed. Such goodies are sold to believers to make them feel special so that they can keep believing. That is why every religion only makes sense to it's adherents and not to adherents of other religions. Doubt is seen as coming from the elusive satan himself. So it is do be discouraged at all times.

Doubt and dissent is what has lead to great advances in human history while unquestioning obedience only enslaves man and holds him back.

Muslims say the same thing too. They say a true muslim can never abandon Islam. It's just a defense mechanism religious people use to help them remain in their particular religious bubble. On the other thread they were telling some dude that he wasn't really a Catholic for saying he left Catholicism. Funny people.

analice107:
I broke my word wen i responded to your folly. You and your friend are dead corpses, and it's senseless talking to dead men. You are so dead, you don't even know whether you were atheist or pagans. Pls go find out who you are in hades.

Prov19:29. Judgement is prepared for the scorners , and stripes for the back of fools.

Prov.26:4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you become like him.

Prov. 13:19 . It is abomination to fools to depart from evil.

Prov. 18:7. A fools mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

Prov. 26:11. As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly.

You don't need to look closely to see yourselves in the mirror of these scriptures.

THE FOOLS, Dullardman AND Pleaton, HAVE SAID IN THEIR HEARTS, THERE IS NO GOD, WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE CORRUPT, AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE ABOMINABLE THINGS, AND BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOOD IN THEM.
Prov. 14:1.

You and your God remain fools.

The question says "why do you believe in the Christian God? ". KingEbukasBlog and winner01 have been jumping all over the place and have refused to answer it because it is obvious.

Both of them believe in the Christian God because they were indoctrinated with the idea since childhood. If they were born in Iran they would have been Shia Muslims. If in Sri Lanka they would have been Hindus. Childhood indoctrination is the reason why they believe in the Christian God idea and not the Muslim or Hindu God idea.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mister , can you answer my question please ?

You haven't asked any valuable question my friend.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mr . Dalaman can you explain how continents display the characteristics of a living thing or are you being disingenuous .

Explain how nature figured out that humans and every living thing needed MR . NIGER D nothing more , nothing less .

The key phrase is "figured out" . Only minds could figure out , only a designer can figure out the needs for its design . Since life has none . Can you show how this came to be with a video of these processes actively taking place according to their own will .

And for the video , I mean showing what actually took place billion years ago as it happened - which serves as an evidence . Thanks . Please state the source of your video too

I'll answer your question , when you answer mine to my satisfaction

You are the one that is positing God and insisting that God did this or that. My position is that the God you are talking about is a man made idea. It does not exist in reality because it is a creation of men. I have never made any claim about the origin of anything. I only said you are a part of nature, how anything came into being, I have never made any claim about such. You claim God so prove it. I have never made any claim about from the fact that your God remains a man made idea that is why you are hear speaking on it;s behalf despite the fact that you claim it is alive, all powerful and can do all things. It can not even talk or say hi. It can only rely on your to keep speaking on it's behalf because it only lives in your head.

KingEbukasBlog:
If you mean books filled with scientists' fantasies and assumptions concerning that then I might glance through it .

I'm a product of an intelligent design , so is your mobile phone and the internet .

Man copies from nature and calls it an intelligent design but fails to describe nature as an intelligent design . Such pathetic hypocrisy

Do you know that many machines , artificial processes etc emulate nature . You can collect information from weather patterns , a family , anything in nature so you can have prescience over likely possibilities . And yet you fail to recognize nature as intelligently designed ?

What none sense !

What was a hurricane intelligently designed for? What about the virus that causes Ebola? What was it intelligently designed for? The asteroid belt in our solar system was intelligently designed for what?

KingEbukasBlog:
Osheeyy . I feel you bro

I need to watch the video . He thinks he is the only one that should ask for videos .

Dalaman , the video should also include the formation of the moon and the big bang happening Twice . Because science does not have a clue of the genesis of the universe and the formation of the moon at least your godless creation video could provide answers

Where have I ever argue in favor or against the Big Bang? When you show me then we can continue. You claim you believe by faith that some God some ancient people created out of thin air created the universe and expect me to take you seriously?

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman please can you provide a video of nature making itself outta nothing . Since life has no creator , according to you , I need a video as evidence or its lies .

By faith , I believe God created the world - an idea which you repudiated , now can you provide a video which objectively tests and verifies your claim that God did not create the universe .

I'll like to watch this video with winner01 . #DalamanWhereIsTheGodlessCreationVideo

We still await JackBizzle to provide the video of him being discriminated against or its all lies #JackBizzleProvideThatVideo

If you can quote me where I have ever said that nature created itself out of nothing then, I will oblige you. Until you do that I will just assume that you are spewing gibberish as always.

DP

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism limits open mindedness . Free thinking for atheists stops when a creator figure sets a standard for morality . That's why bro Johnydon22 opened a thread explaining what he understands by forgiveness and subjecting the "concept" to derision . And off course 19 other shallow thinkers made me waste my time going through it to actually understand the "points" made.

There is no creator that wrote down or set down any moral codes any where, all moral codes are human invention, human beings wrote down the moral codes of conduct they chose to live by that is why they moral codes vary from society to society and depends on time in history. When the ancient people that wrote the bible(Who happen to be your God) felt that slavery was morally OK, their God was with them instructing them how to enslave their daughters and their neighbors. When they thought it was Ok to stone their disobedient children to death their God was also their instructing them to do so. They came up with this morally repulsive idea that some God had to sacrifice himself( or is it his son) to forgive humans from the sins of one man and one woman. How absurd and idiotic such a moral concept is. We get all our moral codes of conduuts from other humans like us, because morality is a human concept that must be learned.

Someone -an atheist- (cant remember he username ) said some supernatural experiences involve the tuning of one's brain frequency or some shi.t . At least he's trying to extricate himself from shallowness atheistic free thinking elicits .

True adherents of Christ teachings can "tune their brains into high frequencies" to objectively test and verify the reality of God's existence . To experience God in His fullness is not for all

"many are called but few are chosen"
"knock and it shall be opened unto you"
"seek and you shall find"
" Come near to God and he will come near to you " and so many

These are hidden recondite messages in the bible though clear to the naked eye - conspicuous - but are for the chosen lot to experience the fullness of his glory.

What is this thrash? This isn't a Sunday school class. Can you give us an example of this objective verification of your God's existence so that we will verify and know it is not just a feeling that exist in your brain due to excessive indoctrination.