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winner01:
I strongly believe Sir William Herschel who said that;
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

Why do you keep repeating this lie all the time? I challenged you the other time and you started with your lalala tales.

Name just one human discovery in the field of geology and one in the field of genetics that confirm anything that is found in the bible or forever keep quite and stop bandying this myth and cheap lie.

tartar9:
it kind of plays on translation.my hadith says if the man's discharge dominates that of the woman.how best could He(SAW) have explained such concepts 1400 years ago to desert bedouins

How couldn't he? People like Aristotle and Galen for example explain more complex things to peoplelving around them that lived over a thousand year before Mohammed. It's simply his ignorance and lack of knowledge, after all the same Mohammed we are told, instructed people to drink camel urine as cure for diseases.

johnydon22:
Both the bible and Quran believers are all guilty of this blunder when defending the glaring inconsistencies in such primitive books that belongs in a museum.

- First they will argue that the scientific finding is wrong and their holy book is right.

-Then they will tell you the holy book was misinterpreted

-then they will tell you their own interpretation trying to convince you that what science said was exactly the actual interpretation "Like Circle means round" who in the world does that... Just take a look at one there claiming "sexual discharge" as found in the hadiths actually means "Gene"

-then they tell you it was not literal but allegorical or metaphor ..

This is what you get when a book written by men in an era we are more civilized than is the basis of your deductions on matters than require study (science)

The Koran very clearly says that the sun sets in a muddy spring(Which was actually the prevailing belief of the Arabs of that time). Muslims apologist have told all kinds of ridiculous lies to defend this laughable myth.

salz01:
Yeah but religion is more to that being born as a Muslim or Christian doesn't really matter but what really matters most is for you to investigate every matter and know which is true as the bible says your God is not an author of confusion and Quran also says surely the religion from Allah (God) is Islam but when go through the bible verses very well you meet a lot of contradictions variations and so many unlike Quran because Allah(God) said if not that this book is from us you will have found a lot of contradictions in it.
There is more to this if wanna know you can reply me

So the Koran is true because it doesn't have any contradiction in it? Most other books written by humans are without any contradictions. The Koran has some contradictions in it. The Koran as a book is not clear, it has some disjointed statements in it, and the book relies heavily on tafsirs in other to explain away many of it;s disjointed narratives and not so clear verses even though the Koran clearly states that it is a clear book. That alone is a contradiction on it's own. The Koran claims to be a clear book but then it relies heavily on tafsirs to explain it away, meaning it isn;t clear if it is clear, it won't rely on any tafsir to explain it, any body can just read it and understand it clearly.

As a religious book, the Koran adds no new knowledge to mankind about the world or the universe in which we live in. The Koran has never been use as a guide to make any scientific discovery that has helped mankind. It has never been used to find any cure to any disease, no technological idea of advancement is to be found any where inside the Koran, the Koran has also never been used to build any outstanding economic model, despite it advocating a system of banking that muslims have tried but is so weak that it can not compare to the secular system of banking. The Koran has never been used to solve any major problem facing humanity. The moral system the Koran advocates isn't the best for mankind, it's system of justice also isn't the best, as such societies built based on it's principles are not model societies, we can take a look at the middle east where most of the societies are based on Sharia law a system that is advocated by the Koran as the best moral and just system of living and compare it with what is obtainable else where, and see if the societies that follow the principles of the Koran are model societies. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Kuwait, Bharian, etc. These are not model societies and that is enough to show that the Koran has failed and is a book that is nothing but the ideas, myths and identity of 7th century men. No model society has been built that is attractive to outsiders using the Koran.

KingEbukasBlog:
Apparently you didnt read the article . Holy Spirit manifested as a dove does that make Him a dove ? Because God revealed himself anthropomorphically , does that make him Human ?

You said God is immaterial, but Moses said he saw God's back parts. How does an immaterial being have back parts. John in revelation said he saw God sitting on a throne with angels worshiping him. How does an immaterial being sit on a thrown?

KingEbukasBlog:
Idiot .I kept explaining that there are evolutionists who are Christians and the even the Catholic Church have concluded that the genesis account of creation is allegorical , accepting evolution and she keeps insinuating that evolution still rules out God . She seems angry because she thought evolution meant bye bye God

Then to continue the interesting argument and to annoy her the way she annoyed me, I said evolution has been debunked

Christians that accept evolution aren't just serious. They are actually dishonest. Evolution is not compatible with the biblical tale. Adam was made whole in the bible. The story says that Adam and Eve were the first human beings created whole by God evolution, but denies that out-rightly. There is nothing like first man or first woman, but a slow decent from a ground of hominids into the modern human race according to the theory of evolution. Which part of evolution supports woman coming from the ribs of a man?

KingEbukasBlog:
And again more non sense . This article should answer your questions ---> http://www.gotquestions.org/throne-of-God.html

Did Moses claim to see the bible God's back parts? Yes he according to the story. Did John in the book of revelation say he say God sitting on a throne with angles all bowing and worshiping him? Yes he did. What then am I to do with the opinion of some deluded apologist? Did the apologist write any part of the bible? No he didn't so what am I to do with his opinions on the matter?

KingEbukasBlog:
Know one knows how the words of God clearly brought forth life . The idea of the smart house was the simplest explanation - you know considering your level of understanding .

Issuing commands using Siri of the iPhone gets your needs done . Its a design and it obeys your command .

An eternal non-material - spirit- entity who spoke light into being because of the power he possesses is beyond your comprehension ? No offense but I can understand why tho

You are ridiculous. So because the writer of the passage in genesis thought some God idea he imagined spoke some elusive light into being makes it true, right? I keep telling you that the God you speak about are the writers of the bible for without them you will have no God or be worshiping some other God idea invented by some other people. God is non material yet the bible describes him as having body parts(Moses allegedly saw his back parts) and some of the writers say that he sits on a throne in heaven(Book of revelation). is a throne a non material thing? How does a non material being have body parts and sit on a throne?

KingEbukasBlog:
Religion has debilitated the rationality of the existence of a creator of our material universe . Here is a rational " thought" : An eternal creator orchestrated the formation of the universe . There you go , refute it

It is a lie, 10 external creators orchestrate the formation of the universe. There you go, I have refuted it.

KingEbukasBlog:
I have answered this question with the smart house example . Dont be boring

Smart house example? . That's laughable.

KingEbukasBlog:
Cloudgoddess . Here are his words :



Yawn . The dullardman is just too dumb to understand the basics of different motives . I can extricate myself from any form of argument .

And the fun part is that She thinks that you dont have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the theory

Evolution despite its holes is much more credible than the bible creation account that claims man was created from sand and woman from the ribs of a man, or that plants were spoken into existence using the Hebrew language. Maybe you can start by explaining to us how voice turns matter into living cells.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman , in all honesty can you tell cloudgoddess why you dont support the theory of evolution ?

Instead of mentioning my moniker, why don't you just tell her how all humans descended from one man and one woman as alleged by the bible. Tell her why your God forgot to mention the creation of the earth's magnetic field when talking about how he created the world in genesis. Carry your cross and stop calling me to rescue you.

frank317:
The dude is far gone into his fantasy world. The bible just helps him talk about his wishes. Looking around us... If angels are guiding the christians I see, the angels must be babies. Unfortunately the bible is just a noise maker, just like Christians who follow its principles.

The most scared people around us are Christians. They cast,bind and burn their imaginery Satan, yet he torments them like toys. Even the blood of Jesus no de work again for Nigeria.

I keep telling them when they spew their thrash of God being in control to look at Nigeria and see if there is any good God that is in control of anything.

KingEbukasBlog:
1. Psalm 91:11



2. Luke 4:10


3. John 10:10



4. 2 Corinthians 8:9



5.John 3:16-18


6. 1 Corinthians 15:35-58



7 .Revelation 21:1 (ESV)


The seventh quoted scripture is the best part - a new start with God forever and ever .

The fact that these verse have failed most christians means that they are fictional and have no basis in reality. Let's just take one of them.

Psalm 91:11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.

Please provide just one evidence that show that christians are better protected from harm and disaster than non christians in Nigeria.

winner01:
Dude, make your statements and refute them. You r free.

@bolded, Equating natural disasters with evil is totally your statement, you are free to make more comparisons and refute them.

My initial reply to you was "Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world"
Ill speak on the topic of fallen world when i really have your time.

I never spoke on the fall of man or fallen man.
The apologists also didnt support the fall of man being the cause of disasters.

So man, make your statements and ask your questions. When you're done, refute them and answer them respectively.


Re-Read severally, i have nothing more to say to you here.

Why are you all over the place? "Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world". How did we arrive at this fallen world?

winner01:
Dude, make your statements and refute them. You r free.

@bolded, Equating natural disasters with evil is totally your statement, you are free to make more comparisons and refute them.

My initial reply to you was "Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world"
Ill speak on the topic of fallen world when i really have your time.

I never spoke on the fall of man or fallen man.
The apologists also didnt support the fall of man being the cause of disasters.

So man, make your statements and ask your questions. When you're done, refute them and answer them respectively.

How did we arrive at this elusive fallen world of yours?

winner01:
Look, you keep saying the same stale things, why not come up with something new, something i really have to think about.

Allah here, zeus there, if you really care, you wont invest such time on a particular God.

Guy come up with something new, something worth replying to.

If you no get, i have more profitable things to do.

I spend time talking about the God idea I was indoctrinated with since childhood. There are many ex muslim atheist on the internet, we used to have some of them here on nairaland. Allah and the Koran is the only God and religious idea they talk about when discussing religion, and the muslims give them the same answers you are giving me, that they are attacking Islam alone because they know it is the only true religion. I have supported christians in attacking Islam here and the muslims said that christians and atheist are attacking islam because it is the only true religion. You guys can no just stand it when the highly revered mythology you have been indoctrinated with is question and debunked, emotional answers are never to far t throw away as defense. All religious people do that.

winner01:
Dude, make your statements and refute them. You r free.

@bolded, Equating natural disasters with evil is totally your statement, you are free to make more comparisons and refute them.

My initial reply to you was "Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world"
Ill speak on the topic of fallen world when i really have your time.

I never spoke on the fall of man or fallen man.
The apologists also didnt support the fall of man being the cause of disasters.

So man, make your statements and ask your questions. When you're done, refute them and answer them respectively.

We have malicious mutations, diseases and disasters because we live in a fallen world you said, So your God created a fallen world? How did we arrive at a fallen world that was created by your God?

winner01:
Turns out: Atheists aren't really interested in concerning themselves with falsehood. They are against one God, The true God. Their Creator, The Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth.
Afterall, why concern yourself with a lie? .

And you have demonstrated that your God is true and Allah is false how? Take a look around you. is there anything objective evidence that suggest that Yahweh is real and Allah is false? All your arguments always boils down to emotional tantrums, because you are only emotionally attached to your religious belief not because they are true but because just like the muslims, hindus, taoist etc you are only emotionally attached to your religion. You know and have no truth, there is no truth in your religion that is better than what is found in Islam. If you were born into a muslims family Allah is the God you will be promoting here.

winner01:
No, you tell yourself a better tale explaining the origination of evil in the world.

Or better still, go ask God Himself.

So evil exist because two people ate from a forbidden fruit, this is so nonsensical that even the christian apologist KingEbukasBlog referenced his work said he rejected it as the result of why there is natural disasters or evil. I have told you that if you know anything about the earth geology and geography you will know that most natural disasters have nothing to do with the myths you believe in.

As for asking God when have you heard God speak to you or any body, even you guys who claim to speak on your God's behalf are confused, here on this thread it can be seen clearly, you claim natural evil exist because we live in a fallen world, the other apologist who is also a christians says he disagrees. Who then is right among you two? Who is speaking the mind of this God of your? The reasons are very obvious.

Where are the defenders of foreign mythologies and tales? They will always avoid these kind of topics.

KingEbukasBlog:
Miracles remain real whether you like it or not .

The Koran remains the final revelation of the creator of the universe whether you like it or not.

KingEbukasBlog:
All I can deduce is that you agree God healed an amputee .

In the pages of a story book which is the dwelling place of your God right? Jesus healed an amputee just as Mohammed divided the moon into two . All these begin and end in mythical tales and not in reality. Little wonder non of you believers can try it in reality despite the promise by Jesus to you that believe in him the ability to do greater things than him.

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus healed Marcus' ear . Jesus is a historical figure , End of story

. Jesus promised those of you that believe in him the ability to do greater things than he did. Non of you can heal an amputee and restore their amputated limbs back. Did Jesus lie to you guys?

KingEbukasBlog:
Formation of the earth , Noah's flood , Egyptians pestilences , Healings , miracles . Again read the article and stop asking me already answered questions

All these remain shallow claims and mythical assertion(Noah's flood for example). The day you show me your God healing an amputee and restoring his/her amputated limbs back then you can call me up and talk about miraculous healing. The article runs contrary to the biblical assertion. They even refuse to accept the christian teaching that the fall of man is what is responsible for all kind of evil in the world. Most christians won't take them seriously. I as an atheist think they are seriously confused.

KingEbukasBlog:
So there is actually a God figure right ? Because you clearly said :



The above statement drew my attention and I brought the article to refute that claim

Why do you like running around. Does the world we live in look like the one which a God is controlling things? Can you give me a specific example of your God in action with regards to how he controls things in nature? Is it your God that controls hurricanes and diseases?

KingEbukasBlog:
Its none of my business if you dont want to read the article. The answers are there - even to the ones you'll ask later . They tell lies for Jesus but atheists' websites don't tell lies but reveal the truth...abi ? I read an atheist website that said over 90 percent of scientists in the US are atheist , I almost shut down my laptop after I read that bullshyte

werey !

The website actually supports what I stated. If you notice my first reponse to winner01 was based on the fact that sin or what he called fallen world is not responsible why there is natural evil in the world like earthquakes , mudslides and volcanos. These natural disasters are partly responsible for the formation of our continents and landscapes. They have nothing to do with man or man's sins. The traditional christian explanation is that man's sin lead to a fallen world with natural disasters and evil, something which winner01 clearly alluded to. The author of the website clearly rejects that traditional Christian explanation. So it is you the author and winner01 that disagree with each other. The writer clearly agrees with me.

From the website:

Rejected Christian responses

Numerous Christians throughout the ages have argued for specific explanations why there is natural evil. Some have suggested that natural evil was created by Satan and his angels. We reject this argument because nowhere does the Bible suggest that Satan has creative ability or took part in the way the universe was designed. We also reject the argument that all natural evil is required for spiritual growth. Some natural evil may pull at our hearts to encourage us to get involved in helping others. However, many forms of natural evil probably do not consistently result in a greater good in this way. So, we reject the argument that spiritual growth is the primary reason for the existence of natural evil. Young earth creationists say that that fall of Adam and Eve resulted in corruption of the physical creation, and that all the bad things are the result of sin. We reject this explanation,

KingEbukasBlog:
This article refutes every letter of every word of every sentence you've written -->

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/natural_evil_theodicity.html

Its good to dig out old articles one has come across in cases like this

God and science apologetics? What the hell is that? I don't have time reading christian apologetics nonsense anymore. They are known to be bias and also known to tell.lies for Jesus. It's like a Muslim referring me to a Muslim apologist website and expect me to take anything written there seriously. I don't do that anymore. Just state how the writing there refutes the fact that earthquakes and volcanos have been occurring long before humans existed using scientific explanations.

winner01:
You mean why do we live in a fallen world full of suffering and disaster?

These are already answered questions and i didnt ignore them. I only keep wondering why you keep laying emphasies on mishaps and disasters when the bible explicitly describes earth as fallen.
Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world and its tiring giving you the same answers over and over again.
Why not school us on why you think life is unfair.

Living in a fallen world you say. These are just simple explanations the founders of your religion sought out to complex events, phenomena and occurrence they say happening around them, things they know nothing about. It's much easier to state that small pox or leprosy are punishments from the Gods with their limited knowledge and create stories round them, than to know that they are caused by microscopic living cells that are feeding on their own body cells and affecting them negatively which results in diseases such as small pox and leprosy, things they could not see and didn't even know existed.

If you know anything about how the continents formed and how the operate you will know that earthquakes have nothing to do with any fallen world, there have been earth quakes and volcanoes long before humans existed, in fact they are what shaped our continents and landscape as a whole. With or without humans there will be mindless micro organisms doing their things, feeding off each other and struggling to survive. Storms will always form with out without humans, land will erode, asteroid will strike, all natural disasters will continue with or without humans. An asteroid can fall into the earth and end all human life, but earthquakes will still continue to occur over time.

Evil mostly comes as a result of the struggle and competition to survive. There is natural evil and human evil. Even the human evil depends on many factors. You just acknowledge that life is unfair, that alone shows that there is no central God figure controlling anything anywhere as you guys try to proclaim.

winner01:
In the 19th-20th century, all available evidence pointed to the facts of an "infinte universe" with no begining. Majority of the world renowned scientists reached this consensus and passed it on as facts, articles were written and approved.
We know better today.
You need to understand what a theory is before you start saying some people reached a concensus.
More mind blowing discoveries will rubbish the discoveries of today in the nearest future no matter todays agreement.

Its why Sir Ambrose flemming said ; All scientific findings seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more the truth contained in the scriptires.

Why not keep your minds open, atheist

I can decide to compound your woes by asking you how life itself began before it evolved, then you can go to your sites and copy abiogenesis for me and then we can have a good laugh.

The more you look, the less you see. Its our world. A perfectly designed world, not just the product of a completely random chaotic explosion magically rearranging things into order like the atheist believes.

Two questions. What are earthquakes and hurricanes perfectly designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system and and deadly mutations that causes deformity, what were they perfectly designed for?

What are the scientific findings that have been confirmed by the bible? I've asked you but you keep running away from it? Please tell

winner01:
Lol, unlike most people here, im just starting my Phd.
I dont get facts from google or the internet.
Its what you people do and then you call yourselves scientists overnight.
A guy who hasnt even gained admission to uni. was calling himself a scientist simply because he copies articles from science sites and post them on nairaland science section

You were quick to let me know the possible places i can get facts, just like you usually do. As a matter of fact google will give you anything you seek..
You may try to type " obama is satan" and see what im saying.


kingebukasblog, see what ive been telling you.
Most of these people are internet bred students and dont even have the slightest formal education on science or philosophy

Stop belittling the internet and Google. There is more knowledge to be found and gained on the internet than all the Nigerian universities put together and I seriously mean it.

winner01:
You wish i made such suggestions.
The Bible is fixed, even throughout the years science thought it "disproved" it by asserting that the universe had no begining. It was still fixed, till science found out that there was a begining.

Scientific findings confirms the truth contained in the scriptures, the scriptures is not a fill for a gap.

Where does the bible state that the universe had a beginning?