₦airaland Forum

KingEbukasBlog:
There have been miracles even I have experienced one . You have made no point . Let me ask you one question . Why did Christianity spread through turbulent times of persecution during the post-Jesus era ?

Which miracle? If the words of Jesus are true you will not only be experiencing miracles but doing miracles yourself. Here is what Jesus promised those of you that believe in him.

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.- John 14:12

If christianity is true you will perform greater feats than what was written about Jesus. The day you will heal an amputee as a clear cut of a miracle that will be when I will know that you have an idea of what you are talking about.

As for the spread of christianity, all i'll tell you is to go and study history. Christianity only began to spread and become what it is today when Emperor Constantine embraced it, made it legal, and later on after him, Emperor Theodosius decided to make it the official religion of the Roman empire. As the Romans went about conquering territories(They were the strongest empire as at then) they made sure that the people they conquered converted to christianity, it kept on spreading that way till they Romans conquered the entire Europe and some parts of Asia. After the fall of the Roman empire the European colonialist also went about conquering lands in Africa and the Americas, they also spread the religion that way. Christianity was spread through conquest after it became the official religion of the Roman empire.

You have no proof to this . You are making bizzare claims . In the same vein , I can tell you that a lot of them believe in the bible as the word of God as they identify with Christianity .

Why do you keep saying this? If they believe that the bible is the word of God they won't go against what it says blatantly. I have given you an example with gay marriage. The Europeans do not believe it is wrong to be gay as such speaking bad against gays and their life style is a crime in most parts of Europe. They do not accept creationism, most of them are evolutionist. In Nigeria for example where people believe that the bible is the word of God, gays will even tell you that what they are doing is wrong. They engage in homosexual activities but they can never tell you that what they are doing is right going by what the bible says for example because they believe the bible to be the word of God.

Lol ... thanks for shooting yourself in the foot . No religious principle applies in economics right ? So apply the same reasoning in a country like Nigeria whom you've claimed are backward because they are religious

In Nigeria people expect God to do everything for them unlike in Europe. In Nigeria even the leaders pray away the problems of the Nation. People are encouraged to pray for the Nation instead of working to solve problem. Governors and even presidents believe that prayers alone can solve issues. Go to the churches and mosques and listen to what the pastors and imams are preaching.

Gosh . This is so silly . I am having a blast here . If AIs can annihilate mankind , why continue to develop the intellectual capacity of these robots . Why build nuclear bombs ? How will putting so much efforts to build things that will cause your nonexistence , prevent it from doing so? You are not making any sense . You put up a proposition you cant even defend .

Is it atheist that are building AI and nuclear bombs? What the hell are you saying?

Yeah tell that to the Parliaments and Royal Families


Statistics ? What statistics ? I can just replace the country and tell you the exact opposite as my "statistics" . Dalaman , I live in Russia ... (you can complete it with the exact opposite of what you said)

You just love moving in circles, I have already given you the link.

Many christians are now running away from the hell fire doctrine because it doesn't make any sense to them.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are now derailing , stay on track & focus on the argument .

I am not, if some of the words of Jesus are true christians will be performing magic all over the place. Remember Jesus also promised those that believe in him the ability to do more wonders than they said he did. If it;s true they we will see christians performing magic and doing wonders all over the place, but because it is a lie no christian can do anything anywhere close to anything written about Jesus.

You are obviously not a good debater . You mentioned the belief in evolution and the practice of homosexuality in those country as a proof they do not believe in God . And I elucidated that those countries are open to allegorical explanations of the bible . An Irish man , KokoOyinbo , is a theistic evolutionist & he once said , I think , that most Europeans do so over there(are theistic evolutionists ) . I'll show you the post later.

And for homosexuality : I said there are gay pastors and people over there that believe that homophobia is of the Old Testament just like stoning of non-virgins .

And I told you that they do not believe the way we do. They are mostly secular human beings that do not believe in most parts of the bible. They will openly tell you that it is wrong to discriminate against gays for example. A lot of them do not believe in the bible as the word of God even if they identify with the christian religion for example.

You have no proof .

Name one religious principle that has been used to develop any country. What is the christian economic theory and market exchange principle? The christian market structure and market exchange principle of demand and supply is what? What about the christian technological and scientific principle, where can it be found and what is it? The christian development principle on how to turn a society from an agrarian to a service and manufacturing economy is what? What about the christian principle of taxation and fiscal policy? What is it? No religious principle has been used to develop any society ever. If there is then name the country and the religious principle.

Has it wiped out the human specie ? You claimed that Christians have no reason to advance because we believe this world is transient and I said that in the same vein atheists have no reason to advance because everything could end due to the aforementioned causes - supervalcao , asteroid strike , nuclear war , AI uprising etc . Scientists were just prognosticating because the benign form of these events have occurred before and AIs could get powerful and obliterate mankind since technology would get better .

Are you slow or are you being disingenuous as usual ? Focus on the argument - stay on track , dont derail .

It can wipe out the human specie. Atheist knowing that this events can happen at any time are in a better position to act and see to it that they stop if giving the capacity and ability, since they do not believe in an after life or that the world is supposed to end or needs to end in their life time, unlike many christians that are already praying and hoping for the world to end during their life time.

Again , they are religious whether they say it plays no roles or it does that's not important.

They are nominal christians, the role religion plays in a person's life is what actually matters. The importance you give religion is what matters, according to the link I gave you most Europeans do not give religion any importance in their lives.

A foreigner who lives in the North can say that Nigerians visit to mosque every friday , read their Koran and bow to Allah and there are few people who believe in Jesus Christ .

I'm sure you dont live in every part of Germany or houses of people to ascertain how they live their life religiously . Do you also live in their head to know if they believe in God ?

Again dont derail . Germany is a catholic country with numerous seminaries and missionary schools . They teach religion there .

Hör auf zu lügen und zugeben Deutschen sind religiös

I just gave you a statistics that shows Germans among the top countries where the citizens say that religion is least important in their lives and you are coming up with this writing that is neither here nor there? Religion is not important to them even though they identify with it, that is what actually matters.

analice107:
Get out of here seed of Satan. See what they are talking about? It will happen, then you'll wish you listened.

He said he was confused and I only gave a suggestion, why are you all worked up?

KingEbukasBlog:
Had problems understanding what it means . Does this mean that your belief and faith alone in Christ qualify you to be part of the rapturable saints ? Christians who promote the concept of partial rapture believe that only faithful Christians will be taken on that day while the unfaithful ones will be left behind to suffer tribulation . Im now befuddled , is the 'full rapture' a heretical concept ?

Any help ?

winner01 , MrPresident1, gatiano, unphilaz , Muafrika2 , Ishilove, , Richirich713, , sukkot, OLAADEGBU , vooks , UyiIredia , Scholar8200, Jeromejnr , DeepSight , malvisguy212

Why don't you ask your God directly? I thought you communicate with him as you always claim.

KingEbukasBlog:
The bible clearly said "faith without works is dead" . I am just saying the people are superstitious and are still very much improving . You can deduct whatever inference you want to make outlandishly as usual.

Not completely true, while the bible does state that faith without work is dead, in some places, Jesus himself has stated many times that faith is all you need to perform magical feats and get things done.

And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.” - Matthew 21:22

Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.- Matthew 21:21

Mister man . You were born a christian and now an atheist . It is illogical to identify as a christian but claim to have no faith in God . Nigerians were pagans before the nassence of Christianity , do we still identify as pagans ?

There is no proof to the above claims . There is theistic evolution . Those people are more open to allegorical interpretation of the bible . Again half-thinker , evolution does not disprove God . There are gay pastors . They believe that homophobia belongs to the Old Testament , just like stoning of non-virgins . You have made no point .

You seem to be a two faced person, just the other day you were haranguing Nigeria Christians as non Christians in the real sense, you stated that Sweden and Holland has more atheist than theist, now you seem to be singing a different song. Evolution if true disprove the God of the bible. The creation account in the bible is clear. Adam and Eve were literal human beings according to the bible. That can not be reconciled with what evolution states in any way. The problem is that most Europeans do not even believe that being gay is a bad thing in anyway. They see being gay as being black or being white(race). They don't see it as being bad. What they see as being bad is telling gays that they are bad for being gays.

Mr . Man the argument is that they a religious whilst developing or advanced . Stop making irrational bizarre claims .

The argument is that religion is not responsible for their development. Religion on it's own has never made any country develop.

All these are in verisimilitude - there's an appearance of truth , likelihood , probability , but will never happen .

What will never happen? Asteroids have already fallen into the earth and caused havoc, an asteroid that is big enough can leave its orbit and hit the earth and end all life. We have tasted the effect of a nuclear bomb that was dropped in Japan during world war 2. So what do you mean that it will never happen?

They have more people who are affiliated to religion . Putin is clearly a christian - do you want to dispute that

Affiliated and their belief having an important role in their lives are very different things altogether . Religion does not have a major role to play in their lives. About 70% of Russians say religion is not important in their lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country

There is a myriad of faith schools in Britain . There are numerous seminaries and missionary schools in catholic countries like Germany , Italy , the Vatican where they they teach religion . Orthodox Christianity is very much practiced in Russia Romania , Greece , etc and they teach religion in their schools . The UK Parliament prays before commencing each day . There is religious tolerance in those European countries . Stop making false claims Dalaman

I live in Germany, and the Germans are not religious at all. They don't go to church, they don't pray and they don't even believe in God, even those of them that believe in God believe differently for example they don't believe in miracles and other things, not like us. You can come here and see things for yourself.

KingEbukasBlog:
Another useless counter . The Chinese remain superstitious whether they purport themselves as atheists or not . They have they fastest growing economy in the world . From the first person in government to the last plebeian entity are overly superstitious

And your evidence to show that those in government who are responsible for their growing economy are superstitious is what? In what way does being superstitious contribute to their growing economy? How does being superstitious improve their transport, education and technological sectors for example? Being superstitious has never and will never contribute anything to their economic growth.

Norwegians have 76.1% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway as recorded in 2013 . Nigerians are acclaimed to be religious yet their empty seats in Churches .

Yet only one percent attend the church right? Christianity to them is just like a tribe or ethnicity that they identify with. The percentage of people that believe in the bible as the word of God is very low, to them the bible is no different from Harry Porter. They do not believe in creationism but evolution mostly, they have legalized gay union, will not accept most of the things written in the bible.

Ethiopia has the fastest growing economy in Africa and will soon upstage China and claiming the application of any religious principles is an idiotic statement .They are agriculture-based and they diversify into manufacturing , textiles etc. You just murdered facts in cold blood.

It shows you clearly that their development has nothing to do with being religious. if it has then you will be able to name at least one religious principle that is helping them advance economically since you claim that they are religious but advancing economically. Name the religious principle behind their economic advancement or drop this ridiculous point of yours.

Atheists claim that the human specie can be obliterated through AI Uprising , sudden asteroid attack , supervalcano , ecological collapse , nuclear war and possibly climatic change yet there are advances in various aspects of life why ? You dont seem to be a bright kind .

Which atheist? Name them. You are so shameless to equate science and what scientist claim to atheism. According to scientist an asteroid that is big enough can hit the planet and end all human life, they have made that claim with good evidence. It has nothing to do with atheism but with the reality of asteroids and how they can impact and destroy life on earth. Same goes for climate change and nuclear war. These things can end all life on earth, science doesn't tell us that we have another home or place to go to outside this planet, so as long as we are here we have to make sure that we preserve our planet and continue to improve the way we live.

Russia grew from a communist country into a religious one between the 1980s and 2000s and are advancing technologically . With a religious president determined to end terrorism in Putin.

If we take Russia up you will claim they are not religious bla bla bla. How is Russia a religious country?

Interestingly , again , only 7 percent of the total population of European countries identify as atheists , 16 percent as agnostic , 2 percent as muslims and 72 percent as Christians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Religion does not matter to majority of Europeans. They might identify with it, but it doesn't matter to them. They don't teach religion in their public schools, they don't attend religious gatherings and services regularly, they go against religious laws, any body that claims Europeans are religious doesn't know what he is saying. I live in Europe so I find it ridiculous when you keep insisting that European are religious. They are not religious at all.

KingEbukasBlog:
When something supersedes nature then it is ... ?

What does it mean to supersede nature? Can you demonstrate that anything supersedes nature?

KingEbukasBlog:
Another ignorant post from Johnydon22 . The Chinese are the MOST superstitious people on earth but have the fastest growing economy in the world - their rate of development makes America insecure.

That is because the Chinese policy makers are atheist. To join the ruling communist party in China you must not have a religion. The Chinese government that control everything in the country is officially an atheistic government.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-05-14/chinas-atheist-communist-government-embracing-very-capitalist-form-buddhism

Ethiopia is a very religious country and has the fastest growing economy in Africa , many business reports say they'll soon upstage China . Norway is the most advanced in the world and has over 76 percent of its population identify as Christians.

Norwegians are not christians, only 1 percent attend church regularly. Religion does not matter to them and has no major role in their lives. Ethiopia isn't developing because they are applying any religious principle.

Invariably , atheists equate unbelief in a deity to advancement - an egregious display of ignorance , a flagrant denial in the face of facts , and should be ashamed of their futile attempts to delineate the religious as backward .

I am not saying that despicable practices should be condoned but they do not impede advancement or development

Statistics after statistics have shown that the more religious the more backward a country is. Tell me why should people create space shuttles and make advances in their various aspects of life when you believe that you are not of the world, the world is just a transient place, we are living in the end time and Jesus will come during your life time for example?

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman nobody is confused but you . In churches , creation story is made for the children section during Sunday School . The Bible never mentioned the age of the earth is 6,000 yrs . And the bible encourages different interpretation of events during fellowship cos it builds us up . Christian websites like Biblehub allow commentaries by different scholars in accordance and agreement to the verse of the bible I pointed out to you.

True the bible never mentions the age of the earth, all the schism about OEC and YEC came about as christians got to discover things and compare them with what was written inside the bible, that aside, I disagree with you when you say that the bible encourages different interpretations of the bible, because it is the very different interpretation of the bible that makes different christians to accuse one anothe, call each other names and declare that some and not christians. It is the different interpretations that makes some to believe that Mary should be considered almost a a mini God the way the catholics do which makes you say that they are not christians. It is this different interpretation that has lead to many different sects in christianity with completely different beliefs. Do you know that the basic nature of Jesus itself has not yet been agreed by christians because of how they all inteprete the bible differently? While some Christians believe that Jesus is the same person as God, others believe that Jesus is very different from God as a person. So what exactly is the biblical position and what does the christian God want christians to believe about the true nature of Jesus? What about how salvation can be attained? It all depends on what sect you belong to. Chriatisn have different answers to that. why all the confusion if this religion comes from a single and divine source that wants people to know about it? My position is that people made this thing up that is why there is too much confusion all over. You are just trying to say that the various different interpretations do not matter, but it matter and it matters a lot, it matters because, many people are being lead astray and made to believe falsehood because of difference in interpretation.

When Christ comes every hidden issue would be known unto us divinely . There would be no need to interpret differently , the answers would be revealed divinely . When He comes as elucidated in the OP life will now have a different purpose all together .

Anytime I argue with young earth creationists or theistic evolutionists its for the fun of it and not necessarily disproving them . Like sir vooks said no one understands his deity perfectly and no one is claiming to do so .

I'm not obsessed with knowing whether its young , old , through evolution cos someday it will be revealed unto the saints .
Let God do His thing His way . If you've noticed only atheists bring the issue of creation up but when deeply questioned you'd say you dont know and I'll be like what was the point in the first place

When we die we will know is always the get out of the jail card you guys use. Why not know now that you are alive since the message as you guys claim is so important that it will save you from eternal damnation and lead you to the abode of the creator of the universe that wants to be with you.

KingEbukasBlog:
Honestly , if you had followed this thread meticulously , you would have deduced the answer to this question .

Human discipline or not , in the same vein , scientists are confused over the genesis of the universe and other aforementioned constituents

What is the answer? Does your God want people to know anything at all? If yes why is he allowing the endless confusion that exist in christianity and among christians? Science is a human endeavor that involves trying to gain knowledge about what is previously unknown. Unlike christianity that claims there is this all knowing living divine being that forever remains silent on every issue. Does you God want people to know the truth or not? Why the disagreement between YEC and OEC? Which one is the true biblical teaching?

KingEbukasBlog:
There are differing and even conflicting scientific theories about the genesis of the universe , the moon , the earth , life , intelligence and consciousness . But you dont say scientists are "wallowing in such confusion" ... do you ?

Remember on the first page even the bible verse I quoted said different interpretations of events are allowed , they build us up . I've learnt a lot being both a young earth and old earth creationist .

Stay classy Dalaman ✌ ✌ ✌

There are different scientific theories on the origin of the universe because the scientific process is a human discipline, it is a search for knowledge that is not known. Scientist do not claim to be all knowing. This is very unlike christianity that claims that there is this all knowing, all powerful divine being that created the universe and communicates with people but still can not tell them exactly how he created the universe or anything inside the universe. Can you see how contradictory this claim is? You claim you speak to God, if it is true why don't you just ask God to tell you which one is the true one out of the young earth creationist and old earth creationist view? If i say you are lying about speaking with God you will start calling me names. We have a prefect opportunity to prove to us that you indeed speak with this God of yours, tell him to tell you which view is the true one, and let us know. The YEC and OEC can both not be true. Ask God to tell you the true one and let us know if your asseetions of speaking to God is true. I am staying classy.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro winner01 . Here is Dalaman in 2015 - 4 months ago . Repeating the same questions , making the same insinuations . He just changed his value to '3' this time . He's been told also numerous times that there are old earth creationists and young earth creationists . But this man never learns . He has been outwitted and now he is just being desperate .

So which one is the true view of christianity? Can you please ask your God since you claim you communicate with him to tell you when he truly created the earth or which view is the true view between the young earth creationist and old earth creationist movement. Both view can not be true, which one is the true view and which one does your God want people to know? Obviously he isn't supposed to allow christians to be wallowing in such confusion.

winner01:
No one does it, you only wish we did it. You want to get away with stupidity, not when i have some leisure time. If you want God to speak, talk to him. Dont post messages to me and then tell me to ignore them and allow God to reply. Is this how dull atheism has made you??
If you are so pained that your parents forcefully indoctrinated you as a kid, why pour your anger here. Go to them and cure them of their beliefs. They need it more than i do.

No one does what? No one speaks on your God's behalf? Isn't that what all you do? Isn't even what the tittle topic is all about? The OP is actually speaking on God's behalf and trying to tell people what he feels truly exist in heaven and the misconception they have about it. A few came and disagreed with him and they talked over it. If there is this God that exist as christians describe is it the OP that he will depend on to tell others about what happens in heaven his abode? No God that is alive will rely on the OP to tell any body about what goes on or how he plans to reward people in his abode except an imaginary God that lives inside the OP's head. The day you guys will allow this God of yours to tell people and state what he wants himself, that is why I will believe you guys are serious about the claims you make.

You are an animal who will stop at nothing to make other humans live like animals. You can never prove that you are more relevant than an animal cos y'all are products of meaningless chance. Stop giving meaning to your life, live like the confusionist that you are.

Are there worse animals than your God(the writes of the bible)? They lived worse than animals, they advised each other on how to sell their own daughters into slavery, raped the kids of other people, stole their lands, killed them among many other animal behavior. When you talk about animal behavious always remember that you are talking about the people who wrote the bible and also double as your God.

Im not like you, i dont stay on my claims or try to wriggle when im wrong. I never stated that the founding fathers of the worlds greatest countries were closet atheists, you did.

Yawns!!..The same NIV translators that removed 64,576 words as compared to the King James Bible! Okay.

Even with this your desperation, you may create your own version of the Bible so as to mislead others. Whatever it is man. The Word of God stands sure forever and ever.

Those who are interested in the NIV infection can go here; http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html
http://www.trustingodamerica.com/NIV.htm

So this God of yours allows people to mistranslate his words so much so, that over 64,000 words were removed in one version as compared to another? Unfortunately for you it isn't the NIV alone that makes that acknowledgement the NLT also makes the same acknowledgement. Even the King James bible itself has been shown to contain a lot of errors so much so that a new king James version was made. I saw you trying to claim that Roman catholics are not christians, I know you do not know that Eramus a catholic priest and humanist edited the Greek text which stands behind the King James bible. So your God allowed catholics whom some of you claim are not christians to edit his words?

Here is an entry from Daniel Wallace a christian scholar who provides details and show the errors in translation of the KJV and why it is not the most accurate translation.

https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

You and johnydon22 claim you dont know. And yet you exercise so much knowledge on what you dont know. You cannot know what you dont know. I Know that i was created not some result of an accident. And God is the Creator of the world. Cry for the rest of your life, you will find out sooner or later.

I might not know what 23456 x 647483722 is but I know that it is not 3. The bible is there, it tells us how the universe was created by your own, unfortunately the universe we live in did not come about the way the bible describes it, if the bible gets it wrong on the creation of the universe why should any body believe it on the creation of humans? Your bible claims all humans came down from one man and one woman that were both created 6000 years ago.

You sound stup!d when you make unintelligent claims about islam and the koran. KingEbukasBlog pointed that out to you already. The koran does not record any one as sinless and perfect except Jesus. The koran does not record that any human can give life but gave instances on Jesus giving life. Muhammed himself claimed to be imperfect. Stop exercising stupidity over what you dont know.

It is actually a lie, the Koran does not say that Jesus was sinless. It also does not say that Jesus was perfect. You can provide the verses from the Koran that says Jesus was sinless and perfect.

"For God so loved the world" not for God so loved christians. The difference is clear. Your desperation will tell on your health sooner.

For God so loved the world that he killed himself as a sacrifice to himself to save humans from a fire he created for some devil? Makes perfect sense.

Not all families force their ideologies down the throat of their kids. If you were deprived of such freedom as a kid, i wasn't. And dont go about thinking that everyone has your kind of family. You keep waving hands.

You are a christian only because you were born into the religion, that is a statement of fact, if you were born into a muslim family you would have been a muslim.

Stop talking like a fool. allah does not have provisions for non muslims and muslims are not even encouraged to invite non muslims to islam. "To you your religion and to me is mine" is one of the most basic principles of islam. God loved us while we were yet sinners and warns us against the consequences of our actions. The verse you quoted is a strict warning. I gave you analogies, put your brains to work and read them.

You are the one talking like a fool because you are lying. You lied that muslims are not even encouraged to invite non muslims to islam. That is a lie because Muslims are actually encouraged to to convert people to Islam. "To you your religion and to me mine" simply means that there is no compulsion in religion, every body has the right to practice his or her own religion. You are lying when you say it is one of the basic principles of Islam, it is not, it is not even a principle in Islam. The verse I quoted from the bible is very clear, who ever believe in Jesus is not condemned, but who ever does not is condemned already, that is what the verse says. It is not a warning, it clearly says that who ever does not believe in Jesus is condemned already. How is it different from what you said about Allah condeming people for not believing in Islam? Tell me.

The bible makes you look stup!d and thats why you cant go a day without wishing it was evil. I dont spend time on lies, You live on lies.

It is you that the bible makes to look stupid.

You also havent stated that you are an atheist on this thread. You are unintelligent. Im sure you have also made some pro-christian quotes before you found atheism foolishness.
I guess in your haste to prove how much of a christian hitler was, you went to copy crap from a site without looking at the date of the said quotes. He made those quotes in the 1920's you dullard. He was not even in power then.

He shed light on his devilish worldview in the 1940's

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- October 19th, 1941.

December 13th of the same year, "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."


Now i want people to correlate the dates with the dates he committed war crimes, so as to see how desperate you are.

Dude, keep up, I'm miles ahead of you.

Even when he was making his war crimes he was still making pro christian statements. He made the statement below in 1939 when he was already the head of Germany and was killing people.

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

The bottom line is that Hitler was no different from someone like Moses, Joshua and other characters in the bible.

winner01:
No, atheism is already a senseless worldview and it has made you senseless. No one defends God, I dont and never will. But i will keep pointing out how senseless you are. You want God to reply, talk to Him. You cant make unintelligent claims about people and expect sane people to let it pass and then later claim that you were talking to God and He should reply. Cry all you want, whenever you display stupidity, i will tell you how stup!d you are.

Isn't that why you guys do all the time, claim to be God's mouth piece. You claim there is this living God that is so powerful, he can do everything, he created the universe, created human beings as his children, wants human beings to be in a personal relationship with him but every day all we have are different people like you, constantly telling us about him and what he wants through different and contradictory messages. This God can not even say hi to any body but constantly relies on failed human beings like you to keep propagating it's conflicting and contradictory messages. I repeat a God that exist as advertised by christians will never depend on failed human beings like you to take on it;s behalf to any body. It will do it by its self. The reality of the matter is that you are constantly trying to propagate the message of this God idea that you were indoctrinated with because the God idea lives inside you head and imaginations and nowhere else.

You are an accidental animal, the product of a chaotic explosion. You cant expect other animals like you to live their lives according to governmental laws forced on them through animals that lived earlier.
Try all you want, you have chosen to be an animal, and that is exactly what you get.

I have told you who the animals are, the writers of the bible who believed it was right to sell their daughters into slavery, kill their own children by stoning them to death for disobedience and killing their neighbors because they worshiped other Gods among so many other animal behavior. The people that wrote the bible who happen to be your God are the real animals.

Show evidence like the ones you request from christians. All the scholars? can you give their names and locations? and the bible translations too. You are a confused fellow that does the same thing you accuse people for.

I won't drop names of christian scholars or their general consensus about the matter so that you won't accuse them of being closet atheist or dismiss them with a wave of hand. I will just drop an example of a bible translation that states it clearly. The NIV states it clearly:

John 7:53-8:11New International Version (NIV)

The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11.

Take any NIV and you will see it clearly written there.

Yes i do know that i was created. Why do you consistently want me not to know with you? You seem to have a full knowledge of what you dont know and you defend it like your life. If that is not senseless, i dont know what is.

You do not know that you were created, you only believe that Yahweh not Allah created you because you were indoctrinated with the Yahweh God idea and not the Allah God idea.

You waste your time asking me questions. The quran records Jesus as sinless, and mohammed as imperfect. Chew that.

The Koran records Mohammed as a better person than Jesus. Muslims also revere Mohammed and regard him as the most perfect man that ever lived, chew that too.

Read my previous replies, you'll find your answers.


Salvation for them by offering them eternal life. Your interpretation, your headache.

Salvation for who and for what? For acts of tribalism?

Go put it to your indoctrinators first to relieve yourself of this hurt and hatred. Keep reading my analogy everyday, you will understand someday

Your assertions are empty. I on the other hand is making a factual statement. You are a christian only because you were born into the religion and indoctrinated since you were a child.

I can provide educational books for students, and warn them that whoever does not read them will fail. Ive not condemned anyone, ive only given a warning.
On the other hand, i can decide to fail light skinned students because they are not as dark as i am. There's pretty little they can do about that.

You can tell lies all you want but the fact still remains. You said Allah has already condemned me for not being a muslim. I gave you a verse from your own bible that says that your own God also condemns me for not being a christian. How are the two different? The verse says who ever does not beileve in Jesus is condemned already because of his/her unbelief. How is that different from what you stated about Allah?

Its funny an ancient book still makes you look stup!d. Well, I dont quote the shruti everyday of my life, as a matter of fact i will be insane to have sleepless nights because of the shruti. You're so worried.

Since the writers of the bible are your God and you always use their writings as evidence that your God exist and speaks, the bible then will be the book I will also use when showing you stuffs about them and what they said that is pertinent to our discussion.

I proved it, and people can see that. I gave his opinions on christianity.
You on the other hand are making unfounded claims. If you become a badass like hitler today, people like johnydon22 will still deny you and argue that you were born into christianity and for that reason, you are a christian. You are no better atheist than Hitler was.

Hitler has never stated that he was an atheist. Yet you deny this quotes from him where he clearly stated that he was a christain.

[b]“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on
his personal Christian feelings. Published in “My New Order”, quoted
in Freethought Today April 1990]

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
assigned to it by the Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

You go te. Ive made myself clear. Clear the air with your answers.[/b]

winner01:
Keep crying. Dont forget to "Love your neighbour as yourself", He died for the sins of all, not for christians.

But he has already condemned those that do not believe in Jesus.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.John 3:18

It has everything to do with accountability. Failure is not a threat, its the consequence of an action. Eternal damnation is the consequence of an action. Hunger is the consequence of your refusal to eat. Darkness is the automatic result when you kill the lights. But no one wants to hear that his actions will have consequences.
Just walk up to a thug and preach atheism to him already. You will get your answers.
And is that how you were indoctrinated as a kid on how to preach the gospel?, threaten your friends?
I dont need to tell someone he will go hungry, i only need to tell him to go and eat. The same way i dont need to keep hammering how much my kid will fail if he does not study.
The interesting thing is that no one is forced, some people prefer to learn the hard way.

Eternal damnation is a sadistic concept that shows how vile and immoral you and the people that wrote the bible are,so many christians are running away from that concept because of how sadistic and barbaric it is. Tell me what will your children do to you that will make you burn them for a week?

Gotquestions is now the official custodian of the scriptures?, did you get an evidence like the ones you ask christians for before making your inference?.

Some bible translations have admitted that the story was made up. I notice that you always refer to gotquestion.org as a source for christians to who need clearifications on christian issues, it funny how you are now throwing them under the bus on this issue

Now you are admitting that Godly people kick-started those countries. You be confirm rat wey dey carry lassa fever.
Now Imagine a car with all its potentials and power, then imagine two drivers, one with a will and focus, the other looking uninterested. Both of them get to ride cars. The ones with a will and focus is responsible for those great countries. The other driver-type is responsible for those Afro-countries you talking about. We know how far each car have moved.
You read about the Godliness of the American founding fathers.

I am not admitting anything. You said that America was founded on christian values and I told you to name the christian value the nation was founded upon, you have refused to do that because non exist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, slavery, wild gun culture, land grab and secularism. Name the christian values that the US was founded upon.

“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” - President Adam 1797

winner01:
Which law, the mosaic law or the 10 commandments, which one exactly. "You have heard the prophets, but now i say to you". We are christians, people like Christ. We strive to be like Christ, the only Being in human flesh ever to be recorded as perfect.
Keep waving your hands, you have no proof of the trash you say. And no one is defending anything, im only interested in proving atheism as a senseless worldview.

Atheism will be a senseless worldview the day you allow the God you talk about to speak for itself. Aren't you ashamed that a failure like you is defending an all powerful God that can not even say hi on it's own? The bible is the work of men, that is the reality. You have no other God apart from the dead men that wrote the bible, that is why you have to defend the ideas they wrote down about this fictitious and imaginary God they wrote about, you really believe that if the biblical God is real and alive as described, he will depend on a failure like you to ever defend or make his case for him? How can a failure like you defend an all powerful being that created the universe and is alive? Unless if that being only exist in your head, which is the truth of the matter.

It is a crime because you have been born into the system and indoctrinated. Last i checked, you are an animal and animals kill each other, even those of the same species. (My fowls just killed another of their kind). Stop living on borrowed or ancient morality. Live like the animal that you are. When you probe christianity, probe governmental laws and the morality which you've been indoctrinated as a poor kid. People who worship other God's will eventually die, why not go stop them from dying.
Muslims kill people because they worship God almost everyday but your conscience pitches you against christianity. Tell me again how you aren't disturbed.

The animals are your God(the people who wrote down the bible). They killed each other and even killed their kids, they enslaved each other and told themselves to sell their daughters into slavery, Your God(The writers of the bible) are the animals you are talking about because everything you accuse animals of doing they did and advocated inside the bible, from rape, to stealing and land garbing, to slavery, to genocide, to everything including the killing of babies. They happily wrote about it inside the bible. They are definitely the animals you are talking about.

Yeah, it never happened because you or someone else or the gatekeeper of the Bible said so.

Because all the scholars that looked at it agree, even some bible translations admit it and write it down.

"The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53--8:11." That is, the earliest Greek manuscripts, the earliest translations and the earliest church fathers all lack reference to this story.

On the contrary i think you know how life began but are too empty to disclose it, otherwise i see no reason why you want other people not to know how life began with you. I, on the other hand know that i was created and i have a mandate to live life triumph and help other men conquer. No one can dislike his Maker, you can only decide to be foolish for the short time you have to live on earth

You believe you were created because some guys who thought the earth came into existence before the sun and stars said some creative idea they imagined created man from mud and woman from his ribs. Well done, you really know that you were created.

You do not ask me questions until you clear the air on all the bull you've spewed earlier on. The picture below best fits your question.

It's a simple question. are Christians the best moral human beings? You claim that Jesus was a perfect human being, so christians are those that strive to be like him better human beings like others? Muslims also claim that Mohammed was the best of all human beings, you are not the only ones making such empty claims.

Empty to you cos you're slow. Everyone wants to succeed, its why hindus or muslims keep striving to move closer to their god, in the process some realize the truth and are bold enough to take the step do so. Its just like being bold enough to confront life and demand what is yours (working hard). They will be as stup!d as you are to disbelieve the existence of poverty and riches. You are as confused as someone who says light and darkness does not exist.

I am putting it to you that you are a christian only because you were born into the religion, that is why it makes sense to you and not to a muslim , a Hindu or a Buddhist for example. If you were born into a muslim family you will be defending Islam. That is the fact, your empty assertions about poverty and other thrash talk has no basis in reality. The reality is that you are a christian only because you were born and indoctrinated into the religion.

I dont know if you just love moving around in circles, you need to read my previous replies.

You accused the other people of doing exactly what your own own prophets did. How shameful.

Read the part where i said "God has provided for the salvation of these people.

Salvation for them by telling them not to marry other people because they worshiped other Gods?

You are very unintelligent, as always. You make cases and cant justify them. Im sure if i ask you a question about allah you will burrow your way through another tunnel. Allah condemns you already for being born into anything other than islam, God loved us while we were yet sinners. I wont allow you to drag me into talking about allah. Plus no atheist can ever state to me what is babaric and what is not, a muslim can and i will reply him differently. Except you want to base your morality on the ones you borrowed. except you want to point to laws that were created, not puting into consideration the interests of rapists, murderers, kleptomaniacs, and other dangerous people. Afterall you are an animal, and you have to act in your best interest to survive. Its nothing new if an animal kills another. Survival of the fittest remember.

It's obvious that you do not know what you are saying. Your own God does the same thing you accuse Allah of doing. He has already condemed unbelievers for not believing in Jesus.

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son". John 3:18

The Bible is false and its giving you sleepless nights, and you quote it like your life depends on it. You're just stup!d

The bible is false and I quote it to buttress my point.

Hitler had an atheistic ideology, i proved that. Give proof of the trash you say. And when you eventually do, show me in the bible where Jesus prayed the rosary

You didn't prove anything. Hitler had theistic ideas, in fact he got his inspiration from mass murders like Moses and Joshua in the bible. If the biblical stories are to believed , then mass murders, land grabbers and ethnic cleaners like Moses and Joshua were his source of inspiration.

You are oozing pain and desperation. Even a kid knows what the mind is, so you must be nuts thinking that i will ever reply you on that. Why not describe it and give pictorial proof so we can know that there is such a thing.

Just tell me what a mind is and I will describe it with pictorial proof to you. The demons you are talking about remain fictitious characters that only exist in your head.

winner01:
Ashamed of The mosaic law that was given to isrealites and recorded in the bible? What are you? nuts? Im sure if the Bible didnt record the governmental laws of the isrealites, the devil will still plant another evil in your mind. That's what you get when you desperately cling to insanity.
God is Love. And we have a mandate given by God to love our neighbours as ourselves. You cant disprove that. You can only cry yourself to sleep.

Governmental laws indeed. God is love how? Your God commands you to love your neighbors but the same God can not love people that do not believe in him, what a loving God.

Define a yoke. And how it was used for oxen and cattle in the bible days then you will know that yoke and mix are different.
The Bible mentions Unequal yoke. I see you've modified it. Probe that term with the same cunning mind you use in disbelieving your Creator. It will make more sense to you.

What does the passage mean other than do not mix up with unbelievers?

Just the same way its is inappropriate to hammer into the ears of a kid that he will fail if he spends all his time in front of video games instead of reading. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. It all boils down to accountability. No one wants to be accountable for his actions, that explains your thug. Preach atheism to a thug and watch him jump for joy at having the chance to have his way without being accountable to a greater authority.
Get to work, 10 thugs, prostitutes, scums and rejects will do. It will be a great addition if you can add bandits/robbers to your population sample.

It has nothing to do with accountability, thugs and societal rejects also do not want to be threatened that they will be tortured if they fail to conform to a certain life style. Telling a child he will fail is not the same as telling a person that he will be tortured and burns if he refuses to change his ways. You can't use sadistic threats on people and expect them not to revolt.

1. God gives life, He can take it when it deems fit. Try harder, you dont own sh*t, you will submit all including your life when its time.
2.He dealt with others, you complained. Now He is dealing with Isrealites (You still complain). Seems you will always have a cause to complain so as to constantly prove to your subconscious the inexistence of its Maker.
3. You say the records of the Bible are fake, yet you quote from it. Aren't you senseless?
4. As for babies, say the same for companies that destroy robots because of their faults.
5. God in His infinite mercy has made provisions for all, because He is just. He can take the lives of unconscious babies because He makes them. Death to you is the ultimate, to us its a transition into glory. Babies can come to earth one minute, and go back to Heaven to be with their maker the next minute. Except you have proof of their otherwise destination..

When next the muslims go about taking people's lives because Allah your maker tells them to do it for disbelieving in him, just shut up and watch because they are doing the will of Allah your maker. He has the right to give and take life according to his will, he can command that unbelievers like you be killed because he is your maker and has the right to do anything with you, because you are his slave.

And he also used this famous line The prophets said, But now I say. He refused to stone a woman when people waited to see His reaction and he gave a world trembling comment "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone".
Try harder, Our God is love. Your pain, agony and hatred wont change anything. It might change your blood pressure level though.

Thrash, it never happened, Jesus never said those words, even your gotquestions.com has clearly said that a scribe added the story to the bible out of his own will much later on, it was never part of the original manuscripts. The same Jesus said he did not come to abolish the laws of the prophets.

Your twisting and turning words dont work on me. Im far above that. And you are so sure of the state i met my colleague.

Jesus according to the bible used to drink.

At a time, you dont believe that the church built europe, Another time, you say the Church led Europe. You will make a good rat. You know how to burrow your way even if it makes you look stupid. Can you give proof that the church led Europe , God does not make countries better, He is more concerned with the salvation of individuals. You on the other hand like many other atheist (both acclaimed and pretenders)are more concerned with this world, gather materials selfishly only to give it up after a short while.
No one gets backward with God, People only go backwards when they are so engaged in wickedness, selfishness, theft, self exaltation and other negatives which God warned against.

Leading and building are two different things.

Ive given proof that the founders were christian. Some of their quotes are clear for all to see. Why not defend your stup!d claims of them being pretenders.

Even if they were christians they country they founded was not founded on christian principles. Read about the American founding fathers and their private beliefs.

winner01:
Yeah, just like Jesus Christ, Our Lord, who taught us how to live and brought us the new convenant stoned people to death and asked us to kill people who worshipped other Gods. You are disturbed and thats why you keep wishing that the Bible was written by mere men.

But the same Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets. Who wrote the bible if not men? Seems your delusion knows no bounds. The bible is the work of men, and those men are your God. That is the reality, the unknown writers of the bible are your God, that is why you have to keep pointing and trying to defend every fiction and mythology they wrote down.

Ive given you your answer severally. That you dont understand means you were never a christian or you were severely brainwashed by your parents as a kid. There is the law of sin and death, there is the law of the spirit of life in Christ..
Im yet to see you protest against the use of prisons and remand homes to deny people their freedom, the use of electrocution, firing squad, injected poison and other severe punishment (even though some have been scrapped) against humans who were acting in their own interest and advantage. People who do not want to conform to a governmental law probably because like you, they think it is an indoctrination passed down through generations by unenlightened founding fathers. People who are cheated because the government selfishly and forcefully wants them to conform to its laws recycled through generations, founded by selfish founders.

Unfortunately killing other people because they worship other God's is a crime, the barbaric men that wrote down they bible did not see it as anything wrong, we who have evolved a better moral system can only look at them and see how barbaric they were. They were so barbaric that they actually believe that it was right to sell their daughters into slavery and stone the disobedient ones to death.

Continue your stupidity when you have proof that Jesus Christ (who came to give life) stoned an adulterous woman to death. Christians are people who strive to be like Christ remember?

I told your man that the story was made up by a scribe and later added to the bible stories, that story even by biblical standard never happened.

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

Keep repeating the same thing and expect me to follow in your baseless circles. You do hate God, its why you cant live without trying to make people disbelieve in God. Well, God created you, kill yourself.

God is an idea and I dislike the idea. Neither I, nor you, know how life came about, while I take the I do not know option, you on the other habd have chosen to take the mythical ideas of other men that you were indoctrinated with. Your God remains a human idea and conception.

See how stup!d you sound. I showed you your stupidity by proving to you that what you do speaks more volume than what you say and all you can come up with is this?
I can see you're stretched.
I didnt claim to be better than anybody, I restate that christians are people who strive to be like Christ, Beat that!!.

Is Christ not God? So what about Christ makes Christians exceptional moral human beings? Are christians the best moral human beings?

Yeah a fact because dalaman said so. And you are so sure i was born into christianity, right? Let me bolden my analogy this time maybe by chance you can put those brains to work
If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to become rich. Ill be as confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

You were born into a christian family that is why you are a christian, if you were born into a muslim family in Iran or hindu family in Nepal you wouldn't have been a christian. That is the fact. You analogy is silly. How many muslims or Hindus do you see striving to leave their religions the way people are striving to leave poverty? As usual your analogies are always empty.

Why is it that when you are shown how stup!d you are on a particular argument, you refuse to accept your stupidity as if its not yours?
You made a case for allah, why not defend your case. Why try to shift the argument unintelligently.
God is love, his commandments to love our neighbours as much as ourselves is sure. Like you, many other confused beings believe God does not exist because there is too much evil in the world. If by chance, God makes a move to cleanse the world of its evil, many of you will still scream foul. What exactly is your stand in this life.

Your God can not do anything to stop evil at all, after all in the only place where your God exist, which is the pages of the bible, he was all over the place committing evil. He commit ed so much evil that at a time he had to apologize for the evil he committed.

One of the lands conquered, Canaan engaged in consistent moral wickedness. They were brutal, aggressive and engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:25). Despite all this God gave the Canaanite people more than sufficient time to repent of their evil ways—over 400 years. But like you, they were willingly disobedient.

But some of your own biblical prophets were like were also brutal, aggressive, sexual deviants, also engaged in incest and human sacrifice. Your God even supported them in their own evil ways but told them to kill others include their babies for disobeying him.

If the judgment was racially motivated as you are sreaming. People like Rahab in Jericho, would not find that mercy after repentance (Joshua 2). This singularly proves that God's desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than die (Ezekiel 18:31-32, 33:11).
Even Despite the wickedness of these people, (Psalm 87:4-6; Mark 7:25–30) shows that God out of His mercy still made provision for the salvation of these people.

It was, God according to the bible warned the Jews against marrying from other tribes, and punished those of them that did because they worshiped other Gods.

God gives, God takes. Your case will be valid when you can prove to me that you are the creator of your life. Its like being criticized for selling your phone to buy another (not that you are even the creator of your phone). It shows you are wicked, dishonest, babaric and negative. Stup!d right. Yeah, you have the right to do whatsoever with your creation. The Bible is there to see how Jesus commanded us to go into the world and preach the gospel, making disciples of all nations and that is the greatest love and compassion for unbelievers.

It's shameful that you are justifying barbarity all because you were indoctrinated with it. When muslims kill you are tell you that Allah who created you said they should kill you, just know that it is Allah who gives and takes life. Let me see you castigating Muslims for killing in the name of Allah.

Lame, thats what you are. People said stuff and you believe. People wrote the Bible and you say its majorly false.
Im this close to ignoring your stupidity.

The bible is false not even because people wrote anything about it, it clearly says things that are very false.

Just like you, Hitler and his followers disregarded God. Ive given my proof. Give yours and stop being stup!d.

Hitler was tacitly supported by the catholic church.

Sure, after you describe to me how the human mind looks and why many people believe it exists when no body has ever produced its image.

Define the mind and I will show you how it looks like. What is the human mind? The human mind is real while your demons are fictitious characters that exist only in your head.

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus never met an adulterous woman ? I thought you said Jesus was a fictional character . And how can there be an invention in a myth You are so confused that you started contradicting your own beliefs . LMAOOOO

Why are you obsessed with what or what not that was added to a fictitious book .

The post you made above shows quite clearly that you believe in God but no comfortable with a few things . Its good to see Dalaman .

Like I always say I believe by faith that every event in the bible happened . I was not there so I believe by faith - that divine assurance/certainty those events took place

I said even by biblical standard the event never happened, someone just made it up and inserted it into the bible, some bible translations have clearly admitted it. This is not the only story, some other stories and expressions as well, like the ending of Mark have all been acknowledged to be additions of a scribe, that is why I said even by biblical standards it matter because it never happened, it was made up. That is the fact of the matter. The bible is collection of so many events, some were real, others were embellished and some are outright fiction. I do not believe in any God, how you came to the conclusion that I believe in God is your own ridiculous making. God is a man made idea, I just showed you even from biblical standard how easily it is for stories to be created, the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman was made up, just like most of the stories, but this one was added much later by some scribe that felt he needed to add it to the original story, whether you accept it on faith is not my business, after all accepting something on faith only means you accept it not because it is true but because you only want it to be true because you were indoctrinated in it. Muslims accept n faith that all the stories recorded inside the Koran and some of the hadiths are also true. Believing something on faith means nothing, it just means you want to believe it regardless of the fact or reality of the matter. If you weren't indoctrinated with the Jesus stories since childhood you won't believe them.

KingEbukasBlog:
THe bible we read today consists of the Old and New Testament . The verses you picked and made claims that is evil are from the same bible that you now claim have the story of the adulterous woman added to it . One bible bro , one love . Whether it was added whenever , no one cares , it says Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman .

Do you know when the verses of the Old Testament you claim portrays God as evil were added to the bible ? But I countered it gracefully with God himself intervening in defence of an adulterous woman and you now brought this up . Stay classy Dalaman , your are now becoming desperate

Your not-so-clever attempt has been noticed- dont forget that ! .

The point is clear the story as acknowledged by christian scholars including christian apologist websites like

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.htmlall agree that Jesus himself never said those words, the story was invented by a scribe somewhere who added it to the gospel of John as he was copying the manuscript for transmission and it later became generally accepted. It matters because the story and the event never happened even by biblical standard, a scribe invented it and slot it inside the bible. Jesus never meet an adulterous woman and said him without sin cast the first stone, someone invented the story that is by biblical standard. All scholars agree to it, read the entry from
http://www.gotquestions.org. it explain it in details.

Some parents give their lives for their kids and some older siblings give up their education for the younger ones . Maybe you can call those parents stupid and the older siblings insane because you have a poor sense of reasoning.

Any parent that is all powerful as you guys describe your God will not have to give up his/her life for their kids. They will just say be and it will be done. Parents are limited in their powers and abilities. If they had the power as you claim your God has they won't do any of what you have stated. If I had the power to do anything, my siblings will attend the best schools without me having to sacrifice anything.

No christian uses the bible to justify evil . Stop talking none sense this guy ! Anytime you are embarrassed with facts you just make up none sense . You are big clown

I will keep telling you that the slave owners that brought Christianity to your ancestors, used the bible to justify slave trade.

KingEbukasBlog:
Stalin of the Soviet Union , Mao of China , Kim of North Korea . Kim of North Korea executes people against his government or feeds them to dogs . Stalin , Mao and Hitler committed the worst atrocities known to mankind - killing millions of people - and they are atheists .



In fact , communists' governments and her people (atheists ) committed lots of atrocities against Christians majorly , the Soviet Union in the 1980s


I have provided historically known facts . So you provide statistics that prove that non Christians are better than Christians

I never claimed that atheist are better than christians, your man winner01 was trying to say that christains are better humans than non christians and I asked him for evidence. Christians rulers have all done what the leader of North Korea is doing. George Bush lied to the world and said God told him to invade Iraq.

Stop being disingenuous , you asked for sizable countries of theist and atheist population , I gave you FOUR atheist countries and I asked you to deduce who commits crimes in their country .

Let me explain it to you :

If there are say 95 blacks and 5 whites in a community and a research found out that 40 percent of the population of the community smokes , which race will likely be identified as being smokers . The whites or the blacks ?

Rational answer : between 35 to 40 blacks in that community are smokers .

Apply the same reasoning pertinently .

Just let me cut the chase, are you saying that christians are morally better than atheist and other human beings?

Were you born in the 1800s to ascertain the claim you made ? No !

There were no christians living in any part of the region called Nigeria till the advent of the whites.

Again , another half baked thought from you . Supposing we agree that people who hear of Jesus get their revelations . How many know that Christianity promotes revelation . There are many people who know Muhammed but did not know angel Gabriel supposedly visited him . So why aint these people getting revelations about Islam since they just know Muhammed

Plus WHY am I not getting the same message or any Christian in the world to move to Islam as the true religion . Why is it ALWAYS the other way round . Ogbeni Dalaman gerrahia mehn

Islam does not support any revelation, the final revelation was made to Mohammed and that's all.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman , do you know that plaetton , Johydon22 are all closet christians , Here you go ! I dont live with them but I just know .

Were you one of those close to Abraham Lincoln ? Or did he reveal that to you ?

You are a clown this guy . Dalaman is a closet Jehovah Witness .

His private letter with other friends shows that he was a skeptic and not the believer he openly claims he was.

KingEbukasBlog:
Even the vilest of human beings do not kill babies ? The prostitutes that flush kids into toilets are what ? The wicked ones who use babies as rituals are what ? In front page , one beheaded a 3 yr old niece for rituals.

The vilest human beings are on the same page with your God. Maybe they learned their baby killing from the bible, the bible has God killing babies or threatening to kill babies in many passages.

Herod killed babies when he was trying to find Jesus after realizing that he was tricked . During wars , male babies are killed and the females left alive

The Story about Herod killing babies only appear in the gospel of Matthew and no where else, it is a fiction the author of the Gospel of Matthew invented to contrive a fulfillment of prophecy by Jesus. Many christain scholars are now saying that the story is an allegory

Why do you enjoy avoiding the truth .

Which truth?

Winner01 , Dalaman knowingly avoided the full verse in 16 and overlooked 17 that justified God's actions . This guy has an ulterior motive - presenting God as some monster

It says :



Meaning He will cause them to have miscarriages . And verse 17 explains and justifies why : : Because they have not listened to Him

God's wrath is always against people who dont follow His laws or suppress His people - Dalaman , you know this . He did it to Egypt , killed their first borns after they oppressed Israel for over 400 years as one of their punishments . And that time , His wrath was against Ephraim.

So your God is now in the business of abortion? So it is right for God to kill the children of people because they do not obey him? Why are you talking like this? If such a vile God exist then he needs to be hunted down and killed by humans, luckily he doesn't exist in reality but in people's minds and imaginations.

And Jesus is not Yahweh but He is Yahweh - They are one DIVINELY but are two different entities You can like to know about the Trinity . Here is a popular question you guys " Why is God of the Old Testament seem different from the one of the New Testament "

If you care to know , here is you answer : http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

And Jesus is not Yahweh but He is Yahweh? What are you talking about? The God of the OT is the same with the God of the new testament. The bible says he never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and for ever.

KingEbukasBlog:
What did Jesus , God Himself , do when people wanted to stone the adulterous woman ? I know you know the answer

The story of Jesus and the adulterous woman in case you do not know was a later addition by one of the scribes, many bible versions clearly admit that. The story does not exist in many of the early manuscripts. Some bibe translation included but add the caution below:

(The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11.)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%207:53-8:11

"The story of the woman caught in adultery is found in John 7:53—8:11. This section of Scripture, sometimes referred to as the pericope adulterae, has been the center of much controversy over the years. At issue is its authenticity. Did the apostle John write John 7:53—8:11, or is the story of the adulterous woman forgiven by Jesus a later, uninspired insertion into the text?

The Textus Receptus includes John 7:53—8:11, and the majority of Greek texts do. That is the reason the King James Version of the New Testament (based on the Textus Receptus) includes the section as an original part of the Gospel of John. However, more modern translations, such as the NIV and the ESV, include the section but bracket it as not original. This is because the earliest (and many would say the most reliable) Greek manuscripts do not include the story of the woman taken in adultery.

The Greek manuscripts show fairly clear evidence that John 7:53—8:11 was not originally part of John’s Gospel. No church father commented on the section until the twelfth century, and, even then, his comment was that accurate Greek manuscripts did not contain it. Among the manuscripts that do contain the section, either wholly or in part, there are variations of placement. Some manuscripts put the pericope adulterae after John 7:36, others after John 21:25, and some even place it in the Gospel of Luke (after Luke 21:38 or 24:53).

There is internal evidence, too, that John 7:53—8:11 is not original to the text. For one thing, the inclusion of these verses breaks the flow of John’s narrative. Reading from John 7:52 to John 8:12 (skipping the debated section) makes perfect sense. Also, the vocabulary used in the story of the adulterous woman is different from what is found in the rest of the Gospel of John. For example, John never refers to “the scribes” anywhere in his book—except in John 8:3. There are thirteen other words in this short section that are found nowhere else in John’s Gospel.

It certainly seems as if, so somewhere along the way, a scribe added this story of Jesus into John’s Gospel in a place he thought it would fit well"

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

All scholars agree that the passage was added by a scribe. Jesus never uttered those words. It was just made up by a scribe and added into the bible, a lot of the bible is just made up myth and fiction though. In other parts of the bible Jesus condemned the people for not stoning to death their kids as the law stated.

Dalaman , you claim to have been a christian before and you can't theologically dissociate the New Testament from the Old ? Disingenuous kind you are !

It is the same God that is in the new testament that is also in the OT. According to the bible the God said he remains the same and never changes, it says he is the same yesterday today and for ever. New testament. Old testament, same God that changes not. The barbaric actions of your God in the OT will also continue to embarrass you. If you don;t like the OT tear it off from your bible. Even the Jews of today that have the OT has their holy book do not obey a single word of it. They have thrown all its moral edicts away and moved on.

How many of us have stoned non- virgins ? Have your neighbours and friends stoned any ?

You can't stone your neighbors because you live in a society whose moral laws have evolved better than those of the people that wrote parts of the bible. You know it is bad as such you will never do it. Even the Jews that practice Judaism and use the OT as their holy word of God do not practice it. They will never do it because they know that it is evil. Even muslims do not stone to death people for adultery on a regular basis. Only the mad ones like ISIS do it, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc have don't do it regularly, a moratorium has been placed on it in Iran, ever body knows its evil.

Where is the love ? This is the greatest message ever known to man

John 13:34-35



Plus He died for your sins and faced all those painful punishments on the cross because He loves man

John 3:16

Your God sacrificed and killed himself unto himself so that he can forgive man? What is it with your God and death? He killed people, got tired and killed himself as well. What example of love is this? This is not love but madness. Only a person that has been indoctrinated and systematically made to reason in a certain way will find this reasonable.

Do you instantly go blind when you see numerous verses that preach or show the love of God to man or are you oblivious to those numerous verses

I have already stated that the bible is a mix bag. It contains verse about love and kindsness, but it also contains verses about hate, cruelty and evil. That is why christians are all over the place using it to justify all their actions from love, to kindness, to hate, to cruelty, to their evil deeds to what have you. The bible is a mix bag, it can be used to justify anything, after all the slave masters that brought christianity to our shores also doubled as missionaries

winner01:
All your rants prove the sort of hatred you live in.
The only proof you have that God is unjust is your desperation. There were governmental laws given by moses and the Bible records it. Your desperation is your headache.
When did Jesus ask believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, or does light and darkness mean christians and non christians to you. You really were indoctrinated. Your parents force fed you the principles of christianity, its why you dont know the basics, its why you are hurting. Every thing Jesus condemned was the "evil' and not the people.

Governmental laws indeed, so tell me, who gave those barbaric governmental laws according to the bible that you are so ashamed of? Is it not this same God that you are trying to tell is is the epitome of morality? Kill unbelievers, kill gays, kill your disobedient children, kill those that work on the Sabbath, kill those that have premarital sex, enslave your neighbors, kill those that worship other God, kill babies cos their parents did you wrong, kill this, kill that, violence, anger, madness and everything. The bible says do not mix with unbelievers.

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?2 Corinthians 6:14

I wont show you anything. Walk up to 10 thugs or prostitutes yourself and preach Jesus to them and notice their reactions. To further discover how much of an atheist they are, preach self-worship, unaccountability, wordly enjoyment and the inexistence of God to them and notice their positive reactions.
Jesus issuing hateful verdicts? .
You are really a sad and pained fellow.

Why will a for example thug want to hear that he will burn in fire because he refused to obey some stories? Of course the thug will be angry. You are threatening him with eternal torture which only makes him remember himself. Yes the bible has Jesus which is the same person as God issuing very hateful verdicts all over the place.

“The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16)

Here is Jesus(God) in the bible promising to kill the children of those that disobey him. Who kills children? Even the vilest of all human beings do not kill babies.

I wont discuss this with you cos this is not the first time you will make such references. But the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.

Thrash, the same Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets. He even berated the people for refusing to stone to their their disobedient kids to death as the law states. Loving your God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as you love yourself is what you want others to deduce from the bible, it is not all what the bible teaches, the bible teaches, love, hate,kindness, violence, cruelty and all. It is just a mix bag, that is why christians are all over the place using the bible to justify all of their actions, from love, to hate, to anger, to cruelty, to kindness, to everything. The bible is a mix bag and doesn't have single and universally accepted message or doctrine, all you have is to make do and create what ever it is you want to create for yourself out of the mix messages.

Let me post the full verse so people can see how desperate you are;
Luke 7:33–34, Jesus said, “For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’”
Only desperation will make you turn this verse into what it isnt. Jesus was simply comparing John the Baptist’s “drinking no wine” and His own drinking. Jesus said religious leaders accused Him falsely of being a drunkard. Jesus was never a drunkard as you are subtly insinuating and denying at the same time, just like He was never a glutton. He lived a completely sinless life (1 Peter 2:22).
Jesus even warned against drunkeness (Luke 12:45), and do you know the intoxication state i met my colleague before leaping blindly. Be wise please.

Jesus was drinking and because he did they people called him a drunk, I didn't say he was a drunk, I stated that clearly, but it is very clear from the verse that he drank and because he drinks the people called him a drunk. If you don;t drink no one will accuse you of drunkenness. According to the verse Jesus himself clearly stated that he drinks.

It is not a fact simply because you said so. firstly, What do you mean by being better?. secondly, i made no such claim so why are you trying to rope me? Is your conscience disturbing you or something?

Aren't you the one insisting that believing in Jesus makes people better human beings?

What do you understand by being born again? Is it what you were forcefed as a kid cos you also claim to be an ex-born again without knowing jack about christianity. You've been an indecisive fellow who can be easily swayed right from the onset so why should anyone take you serious.
Stop deceiving yourself, Nigeria is a superstitous and hypocritic country. When we start following Gods word and not disregard Him and live like atheists, the country will move forward.
You were raised in a deeper life and your leaders fed you stuff as a kid, dont come and cry here.

And God's word has made which country better? Name one country that became great by having the bible as it's constitution. When Europe was under the leadership of the church it was so backward that the period was regarded as part of the dark ages.

Ok so now they were deists not pretenders/cultists like you earlier said ?

Dont bother yourself asking any proof from me, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone. Ive made my stand :Usa and uk were built on chistian foundations and principles by christian founders and we know where they are today.

Queen Victoria, the longest ruling monarch of GB gave her opinion, she said;
"That Book, the Bible, accounts for the supremacy of England. England has become great & happy by the knowledge of the true God through Jesus Christ".

You said the christian founders were eventually proven to be pretenders after their deaths, you give proof of that and the many bull you have said or keep quiet forever.

Which christian foundation? You can't state it because it does not exist. State the christian principles the which the USA was founded upon or shut up. Is it separation of church and state? is it slavery ? is it arms bearing? Is it freedom of speech, expression and association? Which of these are christian principles?

winner01:
Keep moving in inches within the stupidity region, i see you've changed "consenting adults", which used to be the normal line to "adult lovers".. You have no moral philosophy except the one you have learnt from christianity. When your desperation to disprove the Bible as the word of God ceases, then you will start seeing the Bible for what it is. The Bible gives an historical account of the Israelites and their relationship with God. It does not promote violence, it gives record of history and is the only Book that stands in the face of immorality and insanity.
The day you start to provide evidence for the unintelligent claims you make, is the day ill start to think about taking you serious.

Which moral philosophy has christianity taught me? That I should stone people that have premarital sex to death? Isn't that what you God in the bible teaches? Of course the bible is the word of God, just that the God you are talking about are the men that wrote the bible, barbaric men that believe it is right to stone people to death for premarital sex and also stone their disobedient children to death. The bible is a mythical account of the Jews and the God they imagined and created. In pages after pages it promotes violence. In this passage it calls for the killing of those that worship other Gods.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

if this passage were written in the Koran, people like you will be masturbating all over it and telling us how violent and cruel Allah is. How can a book that tells you to stone people that have premarital sex ever stand against immorality and insanity? What can ever be more insane and immoral than stoning people that engage in premarital sex to death? Are you crazy?

Don't be filled with so much hate for God, what really happened to you?.
God is love, Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh). And Jesus gave only one commandment; Love.

Repeating religious mantra aimlessly won't do it, I do not hate any God because non exist, I am only pointing to how ridiculous the idea is and you call it hate? What ever makes you sleep well at night my man, God is not love, the bible does not portray an idea of a God that is love. It portrays a God that go as far as killing the babies of people because they disobey his ridiculous injunctions. Where is the love?

"But modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges because you are accountable to God" is a crime to you to an extent that you need people to disbelieve in God with you. Great.

Why does God require belief and not knowledge? Do you believe in the existence of the sun?

Yeah Hitler was a good man, tell me more. Abacha was also a good man. Their followers who shared their dangerous ideaologies were also good men. You are sounding more stup!d. So you ara saying that "what you say is what matters and not what you do".
So you mean one can claim to be an atheist and be close to God, and preach the gospel every day of his life for the rest of his life??
So you mean one can claim to be a musician without ever singing a song.
So you mean girl can claim to be a boy and it wont matter simply because she has said it.
Hell I can even claim to be the president of Nigeria then.

The former President of Nigeria is a christian just like you are, you are actually not a better christian than he is. He believes in Jesus, he might do what is wrong, break the rules and what not but it does not stop him from being a christian. GEJ might actually even be a better human being than you, who is here spewing thrash.

No wonder nairaland atheists claim to be scientists simply because they copy from science websites and post on nairaland, thats the logic right?

The "Christians" in Nigeria are not christians until they start to strive to reflect the life of Christ in them (which is the main essence of christianity). Until then, we have majority of atheists in profession in a terribly superstitous and hypocritic Nation.

Which one is the life of Christ? The bible has Christ(God) acting like a schizophrenic person all over the place. You are not a better christain than most Nigerians so I really do not even know what you are yapping about. I am putting it to you that your life is not different than the life of an avarage Nigerian christian, it is not as if you are living a stellar moral life better than those other christians around you. So I really do not even know what to make of all these empty bluster of yours.

And i will keep telling you. If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to get rich. If i was born into a family of illiterates, ill strive to get educated. Ill be as foolish and confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

You are comparing apples and stones, it's so ridiculous and silly. A muslim can say the same thing about you and your false and fake religion which is christianity, because according to muslims your religion is false and fake. You are only a christian because you were born in the religion, if your wereborn into a family hat belongs to another religion, you would have been practicing that religion and that remains the fact.

Yeah right, keep waving your hands. Its the only thing you're good for

Your God is a man made idea, and the writers of the biblical stories are your God that is why you point to their writings all the time when pointing to God.

Firstly, allah never proclaims his love for unbelievers anywhere in the quran. allah does not command his followers to preach to disbelievers, you have to be born into islam to be loved by allah. It is totally different from "love your enemies'.

secondly, Im not the one confused about the worldview of rejects, you are. So go do your research. They are at best atheists.

Your God does not love the unbelievers, he called for their slaughter in many passages of the bible, he said i many places that unbelievers are not to be associated with, they are to be enslaved or killed. How is your own God better than Allah? The bible is there for every body to read and see how your God treated the unbelievers.

A christian that was unrepentant in reasserting severally that "stealing is not corruption" contrary to what Jesus preached in Matt 6:19, Matt 15:19, John 10:10. Or Obj that is a certified cultist and stole billions in proxy. What exactly are you talking about?

Will you compare them with;
President George Washington, First President of the United States who said:
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

or Abraham Lincoln who said;
“I am busily engaged in the study of the Bible. I believe it is God’s word because it finds me where I am.”
“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book.”
“Take all that you can of this book upon reason, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man. It is the best Book which God has given to man(When a skeptic expressed surprise to see him reading a Bible)”
“But for this book we could not know right from wrong.”

or Woodrow Wilson who said;
“When you have read the Bible, you know it is the word of God, because it is the key to your heart, your own happiness, and your own duty.”

or Martin Luther who said;
"For some years now I have read through the Bible twice every year. If you picture the Bible to be a mighty tree and every word a little branch, I have shaken every one of these branches because I wanted to know what it was and what it meant".

or Theodore Roosevelt;
“A thorough understanding of the Bible is better than a college education. Almost every man who has by his lifework added to the sum of human achievement has based his lifework largely upon the teachings of the Bible".
"It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the BIBLE. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of
the BIBLE"
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"

Despite all the bible quotes, some of which are ridiculous an and outright fallacy, George Washington , owned many slaves, Abraham Lincoln praised the bible in public but in private those close to him say he didn't believe in it.

Keep deceiving yourself for as long as it makes you happy. celebrate thieves, cultists, murderers, and people who dont care about God or their fellow compatriots. You are no different from them.

Maybe they are following your God's footsteps because your God and encouraged his chosen people to steal in the bible, he murdered people and encouraged his chosen people to murder others, they really acre about your God and are following his foot steps.

People who believe in God do not force others to live according to the principles of His kingdom, but in love and compassion they do not want them in eternal damnation. They want the best for them, a mandate given by God.

You on the other hand are disturbed and depressed and filled with hatred for your Maker to an extent that you need more people souls on your side. You will stop at nothing in this state that is why you are up against God and christianity everyday of your life.
I understand you also have a demonic mandate even though you will deny it probably because you want to remain unaware of such mandate.
Its like denying that you will fail if you do not prepare for success, its like denying that you will be hungry if you dont eat. Its like denying the system you have been created into.

Demonic mandate? . I will keep laughing at you as long as you keep talking thrash. You are just talking about fictitious characters and you expect me to take you seriously? What is a demon? Describe one to me in details so that when I encounter it, i will know it exist in reality and not in your fictitious made belief mind.

KingEbukasBlog:
Nigeria is a superstitious country not a religious one . Its common sense . You asked for countries that have sizable christian and atheist population . I gave you atheist countries like Sweden , Australia , Netherlands and North Korea . They have more atheists than Christians . And they have perpetrators of crimes right ? So who carry out these crimes in those atheist countries ? Atheists or Christians?

Quick reminder : Christians in those countries are very devoted and are often scorned for their very committed Christ-like style . Most missionary works are carried out by these countries in African and Asian countries

The answer to that question can be reasonably deduced.

Until you show me a reasonable statistics that shows that more atheist are committing crimes than christians in those countries i will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking about. Committed and Christlike life style involving missionary work means nothing at all, after all it was the same missionaries that brought the stories of Christ to us that enslaved millions of our ancestors and killed many of them. Reverend fathers that act all Christlike have been shown to be child lovers and engage in sex with them (pedophiles). Christlike means nothing. Being a christian doesn't make you better than a non christian at all. No evidence any where to show that non christians are worse human beings than christians any where.

Swedish police encourages abused women to speak out and they are doing so . And for Australia , family dispute or nothing , the "abduction" of these kids is against the law . An offence against the law is an offence against God . God encourages Christians to obey the authorities

According to the report. It's actually not as if the rape cases in Sweden is higher than that of other places, it is just that they police record it differently, in Sweden they record every incident separately unlike in other countries. If a lady raped in Sweden on 4 different occasions, it will be recorded as 4 different rape incident, while in other countries it is recorded as one incident. Their method of recording which is different is account for the high rate together with the fact that they criminalize other aspect that other countries do not, in Sweden you can rape your wife while in most countries nothing like raping your wife exist. Children abduction is fluid and does not count as kidnapping in most countries. But the bottom line is that no evidence exist to show that christians are better moral human beings than atheist.

There have been testimonies of people who never had any knowledge of Jesus and got their revelations . I know of Muhammed and Allah and why dont I get revelations about them ?

Show me some one from Thailand that had never heard about Jesus that received any revelation from Jesus. Why it is that until the white people came to our shores non of our ancestors ever heard about Jesus through any revelation? Until the whites invaded the Americas,non of the people living there had ever received any revelation about Jesus.

Your own sense of reasoning is definitely ludicrous because

1. Sinners who totally reject Jesus have had revelations calling them back to Christ

2. Adherents of other religions testify of Jesus' revelation to them

3. People who have had no knowledge of Jesus testify of His revelation to them

4. Christians who have left Christianity to other Religions do so through

a. Marriage
b. Forced - against their will
c. Curiosity - caused to seek for 'Higher Knowledge'
d. Deception

Have you heard of Christians who leave to other Religions after some revelation ? Why is it ALWAYS the other way round ?

When atheists convert to Christianity , they confess to have started seeing life differently , like its worth something . You can watch different videos online as evidences and tell me what you observed . How did they narrate their experience ? Are they satisfied with what Christianity has brought them?

I disagree with most of what you have written simply because christianity is the only religion that promotes revelation among its adherents. Ex christians that convert to Islam do not receive revelations from Allah simply because Islam does not promote it.

winner01:
You know why you are different? cos you know how to modify your own version of stupidity. The normal line used to be "consensual sex between two matured adults is not bad" .. Nice addition though, It makes you a an inch above stupidity. Just as contemporary atheism is defined as the disbelief in God until proof is provided. Christianity has been and will always be the cure to insanity and immorality over the years and for years to come. It has always been the tame of wild hearts. No book on human philosophy even moves close to the scriptures. Newton knew this when he said; “We account the scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.”

Premarital sex between two adult lovers is not wrong. You want me to draw my moral philosophy from a book written by barbaric men who say that those that have premarital sex should be stoned to death? You must be crazy. Having premarital sex is not wrong, stoning people to death for having premarital sex as your God said people should do is what is wrong. How can such a book that promotes such barbarity as stoning people to death for premarital sex be used to cure immorality when the book itself promotes barbarity? The bible has not and can not be used to cure immorality that is why you can not provide any statistics any where that shows that christians are less immoral than non christians.

Well, I speak for Christians. Give names of people that preached the kind of love that Jesus preached before Jesus. Dont just make assumptions. He said forget the poor or you said?.

Which love? is Jesus not God? More than half the bible is about kill, hate, destroy, and God(Jesus) throwing different anger tantrums at different people for ignoring him or refusing to obey him. He even kills children according to the bible if their parents disobey him, so where is the love?

Follow my teachings or face the consequences of your actions. Pretty much the same thing that happens all around you. Its the system. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Its the system.

Disbelief is not a crime around me.

Yeah, just like 45 percent of Nigerians are "christians". I guess if you become a more badass that hitler, your atheist brothers will insist that you were born a christian irrespective of your worldviews. Ive given you a hint on the motivation of hitlers actions, his follower probably had the same evil motivations, and it only proves one thing. Just like you, they rejected sanity.

Hitler himself never killed anybody, the people around him did and they were all theist. The christians in Nigeria remain christians, it doesn;t matter what you say, as long as they say they are christians they are. You are not the gate keeper of christianity or the one who determines who are christian as, as long as they say they are christians , then they are, your opinion of them does not matter. What matters is what they say they are.

I didnt claim to be a better human being than you, why the confrontation? Relax man. I was not indoctrinated, i only found out the truth. I still wonder why you dont see marriage as an indoctrination. You are just a higher animal c'mon, why stick to a female?

You found the truth just the way a muslim found the truth because both of you were born and indoctrinated into man made religions that you were told were the only truth. If you were born to a Hindu family in India you would have been a Hindu, if you were born into a northern Hausa muslim family from Kano, you would have been telling us how there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger, you are only a christian because yo were born into the religion and systematically thought how to reason and think along the christian line right from childhood. Your surrounding culture and people around you always strengthen your beliefs with their general acceptance of the religion and the psychological reinforcement makes you feel you are on the right path because it has been drummed into your ears. All these are psychological.

Hitler was his God and we can see how he ruled his life, I on the other hand worship the God of all, Your God, My God.
Either way, i would have sought to know the truth. Trust me, Im a more serious skeptic than you are.

Hitler was his own God, your own God is the made up ideas of other people.

Yeah it has. I dont need to name studies. Do your research. Walk up to 10 thugs, prostitutes, robbers and other scums and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Dont let their christian names fool you though.

You can do same to them, but preach Allah and Mohammed to them, you can come back and tell me what happened.

Even someone like you who have proved to be starkly ignorant of the basics will claim to be ex-christian. Well, I cant speak on the motivation of the muslim majority in governance, but for the "christians", love should be the motivation. You cant claim to be good and act otherwise, same goes for claiming to be a christian or atheist, you got to act it.

How do christians act? Is GEJ not a christain? What about OBJ and the christian governors? Some of them were pastors but we all saw what they did. Even the pastors among them were not different from the non christians in stealing and ruining their states.

Sorry for your pain, it will stay for a longer time. lol.
You are disturbed, its why you cant do without threads on Jesus and christianity. I might open a thread on santa soon and then observe your level of commitment to that thread. We wont all stop believing in Jesus, we wont all throw away our lamp, our guide, We wont turn to insanity. Infact, As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, Forever. I hope you dont wander too far before you can retrace your steps. God bless you.

People do not believe in Santa to the extent that they want others to live their lives according to the dictates of santa.

winner01:
Well, Ill say everything. Jesus has always been to cure to man's wickedness. I still cant fathom what it is about that Name. So much Power. It seems like a "bulwark against something worse" just like Richard Dawkins pointed out.
I wont give citations, you seem to be a tricky fellow, you request for evidences and fail to provide evidences for the hands you wave.

The bible says you do not know what you are saying. according to the bible, Jesus who also doubles as God encouraged all sort of wickedness.

He encouraged people to enslave each other including selling their daughters into slavery, kill unmarried people that have premarital sex by stoning them to death, kill gays by stoning them to death, kill your disobedient children by stoning them to death, kill those that follow other Gods, sexism, mass murder and genocide etc. Christians will always claim throw the evil parts and act as if the bible is all about the love your neighbor as you love yourself when we know it is not true, in some parts it even tells believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, because there is nothing that light has to do with darkness it says, by extension if your neighbor is an unbeliever you can't love him. What power does the name of Jesus have apart from the belief that you attach to it? There is power in the name of Allah too. Repeating religious mantra has nothing to do with reality. The bible is not all about the feel God love that you guys love portrying, many parts of it will always embarrass you. Try 1/10th of the injunctions your God(Jesus) commanded in the OT and you will be in prison or be killed if you live in a society that believes in capital punishment.

Just show me any statistics that claims christains are more moral and better humans beings or shut up. The reality is non exist because non can exist, christians are not better human beings or morally better than non christians so your hypothesis about Jesus making people better human beings is a lie, since we have Jesus who doubles as God issuing very hateful and evil edicts in the bible.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

Jesus drank alcohol?, well, show me scriptures. And dont give me scriptures on wine.

Is wine not an alcoholic drink? During the time of Jesus wine was the only alcoholic drink, beer and other alcoholic drinks like Gin and Whisky were not yet invented. The only alcoholic drink available was wine.

33"For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, 'He has a demon!' 34"The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35"Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.". Luke 7:34

The verse is very clear. Jesus dined and wined and the people called him a drunk and a glutton, he befriended tax collectors and sinners and the people called him out on it. I am not saying he was a drunk, but the passage clearly states that he drank and because he did the people called him a drunk.

You are not putting it to me, you are waving hands and making unfounded claims unintelligently.

Yes, I am putting it to you, I am not making unfounded claims, I am telling you the reality, there are many atheist, muslims, Hindus, Buddhist , Taoist etc who are far better human beings than you are, that is a matter of fact, so, I really di not know what this Jesus claim of yours about being a good person is all about, many people that do not believe in Jesus are much better human beings than you so what exactly are you on about?

Oh You know a lot of born again, give us proof of this bullshet.

Of course I do, my friends, colleagues and some family members all are born again christians like you, but they are not steller human beings(including you). There is nothing different in your lives compared to that of others. If being born again makes any difference then Nigeria will be the best country on earth because Nigeria is the country that has the highest number of born again people that I know next to Ghana(I have lived there also). I was raised partly in a deeper life church, so , i know what the born again brouhaha is alll about.

Yawns, die first and see people say stuff about you. You've been fed with crap.

I have an article for you. You may find it useful; http://www.christianpost.com/news/god-and-the-constitution-129658/

I said the USA was not founded on any christian principle, and all you can do is give me a link to a rant about how the year of our lord means God is in the constitution? So what if the year of our lord appears, some of the founding father were deist, so they could be referring to their deist God and not the christian God. But one thing for sure is that the USA was not founded on any christian principle. The US was founded on the principle of:

-separation of church and state
-freedom of speech and association(their fist amendment)
-wild gun culture which is their second amendment and runs very contrary to the turn your other cheek pacifist teaching of Jesus.
-slavery and land grab
-secularism which makes sure that the state should not promote one religion ahead of another

These are the principles that the US was founded on. Name the christian principles that the US was founded on or stop making that ridiculous claim.

winner01:
Let me quickly speak for the 45% christians in Nigeria. Most of them believe in superstitions like ghost apparitions, whistling snake invites, pregnant women pounding yam, rain makers and many others and they try so much to mix this with christianity. About 90%+ of Male Nigerian youths ("christians" believe its right to have sex frequently before marriage. About the same percentage of females are not virgins anymore. And these are the people we call christians, you can walk up to a handful of them and listen to their unrepentant defences. And we keep screaming "Religious country". Lets keep deceiving ourselves shall we.

You believe in superstitions like the virgin birth, Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days, Satan, demons, etc and you are pointing fingers at others? How laughable. Christianity is superstition in itself that is why such practices are easily assimilated into it. Consensual sex between two matured adults who love and care for each other and are willing to marry before marriage is not bad, in fact it is good because they will know if you are sexually compatible. Christianity alone has never moved any nation forward. Christains that abide by everything written insde the bible have never been shown to be better human beings that those that do not, I repeat , there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human beings that you in every way, and you claim to be a born again christaian, so what exactly are you on about?

You cant Love you Neighbour like yourself as Jesus commanded and embezzle in billions knowing fully well that lives will be lost as a result. Love is what Jesus preached, those criminals are atheists in profession, but keep professing lip-theism to gain public acceptance. They really dont care about God and man. Its all about their self. The same "self" you keep encouraging us to worship.

Jesus was not the only person that preached love and he will not be the only person. Loving your neighbor and doing right by them has been preached by others long before the stories about Jesus were written. Jesus did not only preach love, his messages were mixed, in one place he said love your neighbors, in another place he said forget about the poor cos you will always have them, in another place he said , if you don't believe me and follow what I am saying you will burn in fire. Tough love.

Mostly islamic if not totally islamic.
News; If theists("christians" and non christians) quadruple the numbers of lives lost in history to religious crimes, that number will still pale in comparison to lives lost in history to atheism.
Before you go Adolf Hitler on me, let me quickly give you two of his quotes.

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks, October 19th, 1941.

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

During the time of Hitler, 95 percent of Germans were christians. They carried out all the atrocities. Hitler himself never killed anybody with his own hands, it was his followers who were 95 percent christians that carried out all the atrocities.

Turns out, just like you, the drunks, scums and the criminals in government you mentioned, Hitler also had the chance to embrace sanity but instead choose to be his own god.

You are not a better human being than me because you happen to be indoctrinated with some ancient Jewish and Roman, fiction and mythologies. I am putting it to you. Hitler was his own God, but you on the other hand are worshiping a God idea others invented and passed down unto you through systematic indoctrination.

A profession contrary to the message of Christ is not christian-like. It is more associated with hypocrites, atheism, self-worship and disregard for God and ones body (the temple of God).

I speak for 45% christians

And Christlike has made christians better human beings than others, how? Name any study that shows that christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up.

The same People who engage in cultism, idolatry, adultery, violence, demonic pacts, embezzlement, organized robbery and disregard for God and human lives ba?

But they are theist, aren't they?

Name any that has majority of its drunks and scums as theists, give substantial citations and try not to go seek lies from atheist websites.

I have named one, Nigeria.

Been a while man, its good to see that you are still disturbed by the Name of Jesus. Yeah, thats the conscience trying not to die. You will come to Know God eventually. Amen.

This is the same thrash you use to delude yourself into believing that any body that calls out your delusions is disturbed. Why should I be disturbed about a myth? The name of Jesus is no different than the name of Mohammed or Buddha. They are all legends which a religion was born out of their names and alleged deeds nothing more. The name of Jesus can never do anything on it's own. It is believers like you that use the name to do everything. If you all stopped believing in Jesus today in 500 years time, the name of Jesus will be in the same level with the name of Rah Amun or Zeus for example, names of Gods that used to be very powerful until people stopped believing in them over time.

winner01:
wow. KingEbukasBlog ive missed out on the party. Its simple, walk up to a sample of 10 thugs, scums and drunks and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Give us a feedback on their reactions.

What exactly about Jesus is it that has changed the world? You guys keep acting as if those that believe in Jesus are any better that those that do not. How has the belief in Jesus changed Nigeria or any country for the better? Are christians more moral than Non christians? Cite one studey that show that to be true or shut up. There is no such study any where in the world that says christians are better human beings than non christians anywhere, lets just get that clear. Jesus and the tales about him has never made any society better at any time in history.

I once met a church usher and friend at a bar and tried to preach to him. His reply: Guy free me, shey you wan dey preach for me ni.

I was at a funeral on friday and a colleague was reminiscing about his mum's funeral, he boasted of how he bought drinks for all his friends that attended and how his brother refused to buy for his friends because he was born again. I asked him why he isnt born again and he gave me an uninteresting look. Now this is a regular drunk, church-goer (probably to socialize, get girls), dosent care much about God, from a christian home. Ill leave dalaman to decide what description best fits my colleagues. Christian or atheist.

You see most atheists like to make themselves feel better by believing that nigeria is a religious country when it is clearly a superstitous and hypocritic country. USA and U.K were built by christian founders on christian principles, we both know where they are today.

What is it with you and alcohol? According to the bible Jesus himself drank alcohol so why are you haranguing those that drink? How exactly has being born again change the world? I am putting it to you that there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human being than you so that the hell are you saying about being born again, as if being born again means anything. Being born again only means that you subscribe to some religious bubble and it;s dictates, it doesn't make you a better human being than others at all. I am a Nigerian, I know a lot of the born again people and it doesn't make them better human beings than anybody. You are not a better human being than me because you are born again. Christian are not morally upright than non christians, that is a fact. Show us one study that says christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up. Christianity is also a superstitious religion.

As for America it was never founded on christian principles. America was founded by people that pretended to be christians in public but after they died we now know that they were not christians through the private letters they shared. Most of them were deist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, capitalism, slavery, with a crazy and wild gun culture. These are what the US was founded on. The word God does not appear in the US constitution or bill of right.