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malvisguy212:
nonsense!!! The statement 'Killing innocent people is wrong' doesn't mean 'I don't like killing
innocent people. If the society say killing is Good, will you called its bad ? In the nazi camp, when the Jews population are on the risen, the nazi legalised killing of the Jews , will you called this law bad ?

When your God and his prophets organized the killing of others in the bible because he wanted to take over their land that was flowing with milk and give it to his chosen people, honey did you call the action bad?

johnydon22:
Its a free country bro

How old are you and how long have you being an atheist? How did your journey into atheism begin? I just need a summary, no long details required. I like your mind, its very eloquent and you seem to be erudite when it comes to matters concerning religion.

johnydon22:
Like i said, its all what YOU give yours. . . Now these thingd you give yours are yours and yours alone

Can I ask you some questions here please?

Dapo777:
Does life have an intrinsic value and purpose? Independent of what you or I want to give it?

Nope, it doesn't.

Purpose and meaning of life is what ever you make of it. As a Buddhist the purpose of life is to achieve Nirvana. For a muslim the purpose of of life is to submit to the will of Allah as a loyal slave. To the Hindu the purpose of live is achieve dharma, moksha and artha. To the christian it is to achieve salvation. To some it's hedonism, while to others it might be to try and impact people's lives and make it better according to how they define better, and on and on. Life's purpose is what ever you make of it. It has no universal purpose. We as humans add what ever value or purpose we as humans chose to ascribe to our lives.

superior1:
BTW by saying things like human values, you are trying to tell me human lives have intrinsic value and worth, may I ask, how come, If we are all a product of randomness and evolution?

By saying human lives have intrinsic value, you must by logic agree human lives have a purpose, what is that purpose?

Purpose is what you make of it. As a Buddisht the purpose of life is to achieve Nirvana. For a muslim the purpose of of life is to submit to the will of Allah as a loyal slave. To the Hindu the purpose of live is achieve dharma, moksha and artha. To the christian it is to achieve salvation to some it's hedonism and on and on. Life's purpose is what ever you make of it. It has no universal purpose. We as humans add what ever value or purpose we as humans chose to ascribe to our lives. You just seem to be chasing shadows on this thread.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again ... You are not serious . So you would say its photoshop ? Bring that guy to Lagos or forget it !

It will be somebody I know. So no need to panic. It can not be forged.

KingEbukasBlog:
Honestly people who combine both turn out just fine

If you say so.

You are not serious then

I just don't want to waste my money on something I know will turn out to be negative I will look for a bible believing amputee that truly believe that Jesus can heal him/her that lives in Lagos and send to you. You will pray for him/her and once his/her amputated limbs is restored You can post the before and after pics for us to see here.

superior1:
You can open another thread to discuss religious morality. If you have any objective arguments to show atheism isn't anti-society as far as moral good and bad is concern, I will love to hear it. Atheists pride themselves in intellectual objectivity, so your posts shouldn't be an exception.

I don't have to open another thread to discuss that. Religion has shown to be anti society itself. What ever good or evil you ascribe to atheism, religion also does the same. With religion all kinds of evil have been pushed and promoted, so what exactly are you trying to prove?

KingEbukasBlog:
I never said they were alike . I just said they play different roles in life . You are allowing science play both roles and whatever "explanation" you gave is a disaster . " Religion is fictitious " Religion is this or that yet you couldn't answer two good questions I asked you . For your own good understand that science can't answer all questions concerning life .

I have stated that their roles are parallel.

Can you get him to Lagos ?

And if it fails which I know it will, will you pay back the transportation cost.

KingEbukasBlog:
Nice one ! Maybe this could help dalaman understand the role of science and religion in life .

And do you think there is life outside earth ? I believe God has other plans for the universe as regards to intelligent life outside man . What do you think ?

Please is that really his answer to why the universe exist? Because the God of the bible uses things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. Is that truly the reason why the universe exist? You guys are just to hilarious.

superior1:
Every lie is a fraud and punishable, if that is what your dictionary tells you, good enough.

Not every lie, why are you jumping the gun, deceit is punishable under some laws, its very clear.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ dalaman :

R1. Apparently , you still don't understand what roles Religion and science play in life and you are so obstinate about learning something new . Now , that's your problem

I have already pointed out the role of religion and science, they are parallel to each other.

R2. where is the location of the amputee

Abuja.

superior1:
Perhaps you should look for the dictionary meaning of the two words (lies and fraud)

Fraud involves lies. If I lie and claim to be what I am not and get caught I will be punished. Fraud involves various degrees of lies, but it is nothing but lies in its entirety.

superior1:
The issue is empirically speaking; there is nothing like universal moral standard. If we are to follow atheism, all moral issues are relative and there is no commonly adopted moral compass, therefore moral can only be an abstract philosophy as all I need do is follow the law of the land which unfortunately cant handle the complexity of the human society eg, there is no law against me telling lies, sleeping with every consenting women etc. The overall implication is, all these vices cannot be judged good nor bad or do you know any law against lying?

With religion morality has shown to be relative. With religion all you need is to follow the laws stipulated in your religious book which is different from the laws stated in another religious book. So what exactly are you trying to prove?

superior1:
The overall implication is, all these vices cannot be judged good nor bad or[b] do you know any law against lying[/b]?

Fraud is a crime, if I lie and claim to be who I am not and wrongfully get something from people I will be caught and punished accordingly.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly what Ive been saying . Christians know the purpose of religion and science .


Religion is the belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe

Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

Supernatural is attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

(Definitions )

Please dont get things mixed up . Science tries to explain how it was done .

Religion doesn't even try to explain how it was done. It just makes empty assertions without evidence. Religion says God did it and that's all. Accept it the way we have claimed and let it be. Example please use God alone and explain to me why the DNA of some.organisms mutate.

Sure you can . So how do you plan doing that ?

We can bring an amputee and do what Jesus said in◄ Mark 11:24

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If you truly believe in Jesus he says what ever you ask for on prayers amd believe that it. It will be yours. So you can pray for an .amputee whose name I will drop jere and let's see how it goes. The amputee is a christian by the way. He truly believes.

KingEbukasBlog:
So why do you mock people that say the supernatural is responsible . Science tries to explain how it was done and religion explains why it was done

Lemme give you a quick example :

1. Why was the universe or earth formed?

Science : No answer

Religion : To be inhabited by intelligent , free moral agents to whom God will reveal Himself to

This might sound like an answer but in reality it is empty platitudes. The earth was not created for humans. Humans just found themselves on earth. There are like a zillion times more microbes on earth so we can as well say the earth was created for microbes, since they are everywhere. Which God out of the many that humans have invented will reveal himself to them? This answer is empty and has nothing to do with reality. It is fictitious just like everything religion.

2 . How was the universe or earth formed

Science : accretion ; big bang

Religion : No answer

We were born into this earth ; science just tries to explain how all these came into being (how) . Religion tells us the cause (who is responsible ; who is in charge ) , why (the purpose of life ) and other stuff like understanding the purpose of life , how we should live our lives etc

Religion can not tell you true purpose of your life because even religion doesn't know. It only pretends to know. Every religion ascribes different purpose to its adherents. Which of the Gods is responsible for the earth amd purpose of life? Another empty claim that has no basis in reality. Religion is a system created by men just like science. While science tries to dwell on the observable reality, religion on the other hand dwells on fiction, unfounded assumptions and mythology. Both religion and science are man made processes. Only that science has proven to be more valuable to humans than religion.

KingEbukasBlog:
R1. Even medical practitioners are very strong Christians .

And you saw them using which part of the bible to perform surgeries or diagnosis?

R2 .God can heal an amputated limb .

No God can do that. We can put that to test and see how it will work out.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just helped explain why I said christians know the purpose of both religion and science , thanks a lot
But you've not shown me, using science , how

1. Something came from nothing without a cause and begat everything

2 Life came from inorganic matter (non living )

I never made those claims. Just asked both sides to provide evidence and prove their case.

superior1:
Human societies isn't homogenous, hence morality isn't?

That is why as an American I have the right to bear fire arm and I can kill you with my gun if I fear for my life and not be charged but in Nigeria even if I fear for my life I can not kill you with a gun because possessing a gun as a civilian is against the law.

superior1:
You obviously don't understand my original post, who/what determines this as being good or bad?

Who else but human society ?

superior1:
How did you know my God?, the question then is what is wrong in slavery?

Tell me what is good when I come to your house. Abduct you and your kids. Sell you off to a person in a far away land that considers you to be his property the way he considers hoe. He beats you and treats you badly. You work for him and he doesn't pay you any wages. He only gives you food and basic clothing to survive. He decides what you do with your life till you die. He can sleep with your wife or daughter anytime he wants. You are just to keep working for him most of your time. He brutalizes you when ever he wants. Your entire existence is just to serve him. Tell me why that is a good system.

superior1:
Why should I give my food to the hungry man since I worked to make my own living, how is it morally right to share what I earned with another person, isn't that violating my own right to what I earned? and who is the judge and the maker of this moral actions?

Because as a human being you can put yourself in the hungry man shoes and feel his pains. Once you do that then you can understand the need to help the person who is hungry.

superior1:
Then morality is relative then, so,like you did, I can also chose what I consider right or wrong?

Moral principles and codes of.conduct are mostly established and agreed upon through concensus and the principles evolve. Morality is not set in stone. When slavery was consider as a good thing your God was there championing it. He was even giving people injunctions on how to sell their daughters into slavery.

superior1:
What do we need to judge a behaviour, do you as atheist believe in absolute morality as a compass for judging behaviours?

What is absolute morality? Absolute morality isn't good for any society to flourish.

superior1:
What if I love killing, how is killing wrong since I am just doing what I honestly love doing?

Does killing harm others?

KingEbukasBlog:
By the way Ive witnessed and received miracles before . Unless you have another explanation of how pains or sickness on several occasions chose the time of prayer to disappear and never return then Im all ears .
Just humble yourself and find the truth yourself . Science is just a plain of how of explaining the works of God . Dont get it twisted .

Two things. It's either the pains went away as a result of placebo effect something that has been documented to be real. Pastors, Hindu gurus, Islamic marabouts and loyal traditional healers all take advantage of the placebo effect or you are simply telling lies which is actually what most faith healers do. A lot have been exposed as liars that employ cheap tricks used by magicians to beguile their church members. Faith healing has been studied and documented and has shown to be fake. Why can't God heal amputees and restore their limbs back? Because you can't fake the healing of an amputated limb.

KingEbukasBlog:
Am not sure you really understand the true purpose of science or religion . Christians understand both and its clearly evident on this thread .
And please can you show me through science how

1. Something came from nothing without a cause and begat everything

2 How life came from inorganic matter (non living )

... or wait... isn't that "magic"? ... never mind

What is the true purpose of science? Almost everything of value that we know as humans we know through science. It is through science that we gotvto know how to cultivate food, preserve it, shelter and cloth ourselves, treat our selves from diseases , ease the way we do things like transport ourselves, communicate with each other and run a good and more efficient society. What jas religion given man beside the need to belief in mythical stories and rally round them.

The DNA, what it is made up and how it functions was discovered by science and only science can tell us about its origin . Life has been explained very well only through science, No religion comes cllose in terms of its explanatory ability. The writers of your bible don't know anything about how life began. They know nothing about how the planet came about. Read the thrash they cooked up in genesis. Science has nothing to do with the various religious myth. Science is very glad to say it doesn't know. During the time that your bible was written the writers thought the heart controlled reasoning and they said peoeple think and reason with their hearts until science showed us that we reason with our brains. How did life come from non life? I don't know. How did life come about in general? I don't know and so do you. That is the fact. We both don't know. You only chose to accept the unverified mythical narratives of some ancient men who thought that earth was the center of the universe and their God's most cherished creation. Science is real, it is universal. We are using the proceeds of science to communicate through this medium. Religion is fictitious, it is not universal and has never been used to better the lot of any group of people the way science has. Science is the only true.mechanism that has thought us and will continue to teach us the truth about the universe and the world we.live in not religion that we all.know was founded on mythology and fiction.

MrAnony1

All the religions and all the Gods were created by men that is why there are many different Gods and Goddesses and many different religions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo


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