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KingEbukasBlog:
#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main ()
{

for( ; ; )
{
printf("I dont understand the bible because I'm an atheist .\ n ";
}

}

johnydon22:
It is very clear for all to see my dear. . . Slavery is wrong and that is it, maybe you need a microscope to see where the bible says.
"Don't enslave another" But No in the bible "You can even sell your own daughter to another" and its ok.
When people lack all independent reason that they cannot bluntly say this is wrong even at the detriment of their beliefs, we all can see religion mars humans.
This express biased tilt from the Christians when faced with the idea of slavery that they cannot just condemn it in whatever form it comes but rather fights tooth and nail to justify it even when it is clear that it is wrong, kills the topic intoto because they just showed that morality as it is, is subjective..
Like i told the Op, am not supposed to keep lecturing him on human morality while he repeats the same childish argument over and over again!!!

Dishonest arguments from people like Malvisguy212 and Scholar8200 is part of the reason rational people will keep leaving christianity. They really need to be ashamed of themselves.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

The bible very clearly has it's God telling people how to buy slaves and pass them as inheritance because they are property. To show that God knew it was bad he told them not to treat their relatives or the people of Israel in the same manner.

The morality of most people alive today definitely did not come from this sadistic moral giver. Assuming that there is a moral giver anywhere.

Esdb3:
Lol. Logically evade. Good choice. Let's continue.

This same guy got a shoe a new shirt blah blah for a party cleaned the shoe dried it out all were outside. The shirt was out drying the shoe was infront of his room too. He was to leave for a party in the evening. Went out for about 45 minutes, got back and couldn't find the shirt and shoe. He warned, nobody owned up.

He got a stone called edun ara in yoruba, and bought a goat from the landlady. He went to the party wearing something less expensive got back around 9. As reported to him, cause he related to me, people said around 7 the boy was dragged out by thunder with his shirt and shoe on the boy's chest. He picked his shirt and shoe from where they were abandoned. The boy didn't die and he wasn't jailed, thank God. Actually he couldn't be jailed cause they have no proof except the landlady's words of charm which he rubbished.


Logically explain that.

Please stop telling me to explain away your fiction. What can be asserted without any evidence needs to be discarded without evidence as well.

Esdb3:
Dude open area, cultist converse quietly especially when sm1 is defying them? We woulda ran home if we didn't notice the dude that stayed back. He was a friend to some of us. Notice I called him my dude and the bunch of us there were not kids or freshers or peeps that don't know people. Some of the cult folks were known to some people standing with me.

So logically explain or logically evade. If you can't answer I've got lot things for you to logically explain.

I insist that your story doesn't make sense. When you see men with guns in Nigeria you run away without looking back. We all attended universities in Nigeria and have witnessed cult clashes. When cultist come with guns and shot in the air their intention is always to intimidate people and scare them away before executing their plans. There was a day about 3 cult guys from another school came to my school to bring down a guy, after shooting their target, they fired some shots into the air to make way for their escape and every body, I mean every body ran away. Nobody stood back to watch anything. Every body ran away for their dear lives. Your story doesn't make any sense. Firstly cultist operate like armed robbers. They don't like people observing them when they are operating. If you stand to observe them you will be shot at. That is the truth. What you are saying is completely unbelievable. Cult members with guns will not just sit back and allow you watch them operate from a close distance.

Esdb3:
An old village illiterate that charms people is doing what david whatever is doing? Buhahaha
I'm still coming back to the old man thing.
Okay the bullet thing. You have logically explained. Now logically explain this.
So cultist came into this place 'firing into the air', this my dude Ondo man empowered by ayelala(not sure if that is the name) was there. People ran, it was an open area so they watched from afar, we watched from afar. They asked the dude to get up, dude was like: 'what is wrong with this one?' 'Ha ha I said get up!' 'Mtchew' replied the dude. Then the cultist pointed the gun at him and he asked the dude to shoot that gun that if it works he'll go naked. Long story short, cult guy shot, nothing happened, another did nothing happened, they shot into the air it worked, they shot at him again nothing happened, the gun couldn't go off. Then they hailed him and since then they made him their lord juju guy because he didn't want to join them.
And before you ask why cultists were doing in an open space, their rival cult was partying on a side 30 minutes before they arrived.

You don't even know how to lie. You were running away from danger but somehow you stood close enough to hear their conversation? Tell a better lie please.

Esdb3:
Explain how he tricked me. you weren't there and you are talking so confidently so native doctors trick? Ok with what did he trick? Mtchw. You know what? Just forget.

He used an illusion to trick you the same way other magicians do. The greatest magicians on earth like Chris Angel, James Randi and David Copperfield perform illusions greater than the best chief priest or old man in your village can ever perform. They have all stated that it is all tricks and they don't know of any supernatural tricks anywhere. James Randi has a million dollar reward for anybody that can prove the supernatural under a controlled environment.

Bullets kill people right? Logically, what will make a bullet not kill a man if he is shot at?

The bullet can miss the target or the bullet could be a dud bullet that produces only sound but doesn't harm. Armed robbers and cultist use it to intimidate people.

Esdb3:
What am I saying what are you saying. An old man used weaved palmfrond baskets to fetch water. News was he was going to hurt someone badly that night.

An old man tricked you into believing he used weaved palmfrond to fetch water. Same tricks our native doctors use all of the time.

Esdb3:
Good now you have explained the phenomenon.

When I asked that is logic the only realm of thinking? You replied with some shii. I noticed you didn't get my question. Maybe this will help you.


When I asked about the pail and the basket you logically explained to me how the basket's hole won't let it retain water. You didn't say the basket's shoe or pin because our brain automatically recognises that the cut-out parts of the basket is called a hole. That is a logical explanation. It is a mode of thinking. You have logically explained.

Now explain this:

I have seen a man, you can even ask around fetch water with a basket and the basket had holes(if it doesn't have holes then it isn't a basket right ). He fetched water with it like you would fetch water with a pail.

Using logic explain the above.

You saw a man using a special basket to fetch water. It wasn't a normal basket, it's a trick magicians use all the time. it's only an illusion. The basket only appeared to be a basket, the holes could have been covered with transparent materials just to deceive people. Magicians use tricks to beguile the public all the time. Richard Angel and David Copper field for example perform incredible magical feats that no African you know can do or has ever done on camera. They walk on water, fly in the air, divide human beings into two half, but they have openly stated that they use tricks and all they do is an illusion. The two of them remain the greatest magicians on earth and have said it's all an illusion, Nothing supernatural at all. It's just tricks.

Esdb3:
Will you just do as you are asked men.

I'll go on anyway.

You can logically explain how rain falls right?

Okay a basket and a pail; can both fetch water? And please give me a logical explanation.

A very logical and experimental evidence was given in the Wikipedia entry.

A basket can fetch water but the water will pour out because a(conventional) basket has holes all over it. A pail doesn't have holes it it and when it fetches water it has the ability to hold the water.

Esdb3:
Tell me how rain falls in quick simple illustration. Indulge me and explain.



And I wonder who clicked like.

If you want to know more about rain read it up here. What has that got to do with the fact that your beliefs are in the realm of superstition and mythology?

Esdb3:
MUST? Is Logic the only realm of thinking on this planet?

Logic isn't the only realm of thinking. Your realm of thinking belongs to the mythical, superstitious and legendary realm. That is all there is to your realm of thoughts.

Eddlad:
Before, I only believed but now I know him for myself and that is why I can testify inspite of reproach.

Sure, because he exist in your imaginations. What better way to know something.

Eddlad:
So you noticed? Then you might want to know the bible warned us beforehand,"watch out for false prophets.They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves",it wears out the likes of you lest you find the true and strengths the faith of those who see scripture been fulfilled.

Nonetheless if you pursue the truth 1/10 diligently as you pursue falsehood you shall find.

Which truths are you talking about? Jesus himself was a false prophet according to somebody. Muslims belief his sonship was false, the Jews see him as a liar and a false prophet. You were indoctrinated to believe that he was the son of God, so which truth are you talking about? Your truth is subjective because it is a lie to another person.

Esdb3:
Use google for once.

I did and it says your assertion is false.

Esdb3:
Homosexualism is right? Science called it a freaking defect. What do we as scientists do to defects?

Which scientific book, journal or body of scientist has declared homosexuality as a defect?

aweda141:
you lack point and ur post look stupid no offence

can you state how he lacks points and why his post is stupid?

Scholar8200:
Matthew picks up Joseph's descent from Solomon, son of David; Luke (writing to an elite who may be curious) picks up Mary's descent from Nathan,son of David and mentions Joseph being a legal son of Mary's father by virtue of marriage, according to genealogical practices. (You hardly find names of Jewish women in genealogies except for women who initially were not Jews).

"Christians claim that Lukes account is Marys fathers genealogy through Heli and Matthews account is Josephs genealogy. This is very unlikely, as we shall soon see. If David was a common ancestor of both Marys fathers line and Josephs line then obviously the two genealogies split from David into his two sons, Nathan carried Mary's fathers line and Solomon carried Josephs line. All good to start off with, but we run into a major problem when we get to the name Salathiel and his son Zorobabel which are shared by both lists. See Mary's fathers line says that Salathiel was the son of Neri whereas Josephs line says that he was the son of Jechonias. Unless Neri and Jechonias were homosexual parents to Salathiel, there is no possible way to resolve this conflict. Even trying to go the way of father-inlaw like with Josephs father (both Heli and Jacob) doesnt work because if Salathiel wife's father was Neri and Salathiel's father was Jechonias then the Mary's fathers line would be broken. The only way to resolve the two accounts on this point is to say that one of the genealogies is wrong"

http://antecessor.hubpages.com/hub/Bible-Contradictions-The-Geneology-of-Jesus



In addition to the above it is very obvious that the writers do not know what they are stating so people like you and other apologist complete it with your own unfounded speculations. The writers were very clear in what they were stating.The lineage in Matt has 12 fewer generations between Joseph and Abraham than the one in Luke. So if it were true that they were separate lineages of Joseph and Mary, then Joseph would have been a contemporary of Mary's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather. You can't just dance around this very clear issue by making unfounded assumptions.

DeepSight:
Well spoken but fundamentally failed to grasp basic definitions and apply them to same line of reasoning. . . . . .

Am lost , please can you explain what you just wrote.

sportsmaster:
its like an INFINITE LOOP in C++.
No matter how many times you prove the Wrong,they will come up with several babblings and stuffs like that.
It is a never ending arguement.

How has he proved anybody wrong? He was just making things up and giving his assumptions and opinions as fact why they aren't.

FOLYKAZE:
4. Like my good friend would say, I am not truly an atheist but a seeker of enlightenment. I claimed to be an atheist becasue I do not believe in a God but as a spiritual atheist, I know that what a God represent really exist.

I have argued in many place that Jehovah does not exist but as well exist an Idea. Sango exist as electric energy. There is even a thread on this. Just like the greek goddess Iustice, she does not exist as a lady that walk down the street with scale and swing sword around; here I am an atheist. But looking inwardly, she exist as equity of the law and justice in every society. Another Yoruba deity is Ogun which I believe exist as anything metalic. Truthfully I love everything about Deity and the powerful message their stories hold. I tend to look away from the allegory attached to this deities and find their original representation.

I define spiritual atheism here https://www.nairaland.com/1583749/there-atheists-here-oppose-gay#20736730

That's what I mean by context. You are an atheist , as you have stated you do not believe in many God ideas as portrayed by their advocates. You even try to form your own ideas just to get meaning out of the Gods that are being peddled. Why you go about haranguing others is what I really do not understand. You failed to accept a lot of the Gods as portrayed but go about haranguing others.

FOLYKAZE:
This is traced to Egyptian religion. The bull deity is called Apis

Not true, the image you have up there is of a Nepalese woman during the gai puja(A five day Hindu festival as part of the Tihar). Hindus actually do not believe in cows as their deity. Hindus believe in the supreme being Brahma and other less Gods like Lord Shiva, Vishnu etc. A simple Google search of the picture revealed the parent source or original source of the picture. Here is the original source for the picture. It has nothing to do with Apis. Apis in ancient Egyptian mythology was actually a divine animal which has "marks by which the black bull-calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven, his house at Memphis with court for disporting himself, the mode of prognostication from his actions, the mourning at his death, his costly burial, and the rejoicings throughout the country when a new Apis was found" according to Wikipedia. Apis was not your ordinary cow.

My point still remains. You claimed you are an atheist, atheist to what? Didn't you know that people worshipped the sun, the moon and the rivers before you stated that you were an atheist? Context my friend, context.

FOLYKAZE:
[img]http://img.rasset.ie/0009aa03-942.jpg[/img]

What is been worship there? What do those worshipoers call it?

Deit or cow?

Which religion is this? Did she tell you she is worshipping the cow or simply revering it? The picture says nothing. You didn't give me the name of the religion, you just posted a picture of a woman bowing to a cow and say she is worshipping it. People bow down to each other and other creatures in acts of reverence, it has nothing to do with worship. until you tell me the name of her religion I can't make anything of it.

FOLYKAZE:
God is not and never an object. It is an appelation for level of respect, awe, status, dominion, worth and value of soneone or something. A person or object becomes a God when it is been worship and garner dominion. Worship here mean acknowledging worth of something or someone. Divinity has no speciality other than the value we give one. Money is God to some but sone people can burn it. Snake is God to some people but I can kilk it at any slightest means. Cow is a deity is some culture but it is the best meat I serve. So when you atheist tell us you dont believe in God, I like to ask if your definition of God extends to those entities thay really exist like body of water or Iron.

You just made your OWN definition of God and want every body to accept it. You are a funny fellow. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. Without context every thing loses its meaning. You know very well the context that is in use and what the atheist here mean when they say they do not believe in God. You just love playing your semantics game.

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

In religious belief, a deity (Listeni/ˈdiː.ɨti/ or Listeni/ˈdeɪ.ɨti/)[1] is a supernatural being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred. Some religions have one supreme deity, while others have multiple deities of various ranks.

C. Scott Littleton's Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology defined a deity as "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life

A deity is simply defined as In religious belief, a deity is a supernatural being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred. Some religions have one supreme deity, while others have multiple deities of various ranks.

C. Scott Littleton's Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology defined a deity as "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity


A stone is simply a stone, if someone claims a stone is God then in what context is the person claiming that the stone is God? Is he simplifying changing the name of the stone to God or is he claiming that the stone has some supernatural abilities. What makes a stone God?

In the context we all know what God means here. I don't know why you like spending time dwelling on meaningless semantics. I remember when you used to support the atheist in the house like logicboy, mazaje and the likes in your arguments with the theist, you clearly stated that you were an atheist. Why? because you simply disbelieve in the christian and muslim deities. I believe your atheism was in context. Remove the context and everything goes.

plaetton:
What is this bloke talking about?

Which 12 people propagated which gospel?

I had to shake my head when I read that.

johnydon22:
Forgiveness is a virtue that surpasses judgement.

Love is not judgement or wrath neither is it obedient conformity... Demanding for blood before offering an act of forgiveness simply depicts a blood lustful and barbaric concept.

He needed to satisfy his wrath, he must pour it on something, anything at all. Why not simply let go of it, why not simply forgive you without having to pour his wrath somewhere, i thought he was supposed to be all good and how does such concept connote goodness.

Such idea as the bolded rather betrays an egoistic, vengeful, barbaric concept... something you would expect a perfect being to be way above...

If this is your idea of love maybe you will make a very good parent by punishing one your children so as to forgive the other of a wrong doing since your really need where to pour your wrath instead of simply forgiving

These guys don't really think through before pouring out their dogma sometimes.

johnydon22:
It may also interest you to know Hinduism is the first organised religion man ever came up with through out history . . .

Not really the first organized religion, no one knows the first organized religion because the religion and its adherents are already dead. Hinduism is the longest surviving organized religion.

Tjayjosh:
Seems so barbaric. Is it really
necessary? Why doesn’t God
simply forgive us?” Because God
is holy, He must judge sin. Would
a just and righteous judge let evil
go unpunished? At the cross,
God poured out His judgment on
His Son, satisfying His wrath and
making it possible for Him to
forgive us. That’s why Jesus shed
His blood for your sins, my sins,
and the sins of the whole world.

But many sinners will still die and go to hell even after your claim that your God pour out his anger and judgement on his son. If Jesus was sacrificed died for the sins of the world, why then will sinners and unbelievers still wind up in hell?

I saw a Hindu explaining his religion to a Muslim few days ago. It was a very interesting encounter.

My question is for the theist in the house, why are there many different religions in the world?

In the developed world(Presidents like Obama and a lot of other world leaders are closet atheist), but African leaders are mostly religious fanatics and fundamentalist. It will be foolish to come out as an atheist an seek any selective office.

malvisguy212:
Deuteronomy 9:5
is NOT FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS OR FOR THE UPRIGHTNESS OF YOUR HEART that you are going to possess their land,
but it is because of the wickedness of
these nations that the LORD your God
is driving them out before you, in
order to confirm the oath which the
LORD swore to your fathers, to
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

One thing you should know is this , the majority of this people worship idols and the children of isreal had just began as a nation, soo,this people has the chance to hear God word and repent but there evil continue the more,
Okay, how "wicked" could those people
have been? How about killing their own
sons and daughters by burning them in
sacrifices to their gods:

So idol worshippers deserve to be killed right? If you believe that idol worshippers deserve to be killed then you are no different from Boko haram and ISIL. Any way the biblical prophets like Moses and Joshua were no different from the leaders of ISIL and Boko haram. They went about killing people for worshipping different Gods and sharing their women and virgins as war booty.

Deuteronomy 12:31
"You shall not behave thus toward the
LORD your God, for every abominable
act which the LORD hates they have
done for their gods; for they even
burn their sons and daughters in the
fire to their gods.

Your God told Abraham to sacrifice is son Isaac, he instructed the Jews to kill the inhabitants of a town including their animals and sacrifice them all as a burnt offering unto him. How then is he different from the Gods of the Caananites and Amorites?


"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

Maybe atheists believe that killing your children is not all bad. After all, killing viable pre-born babies is legal in this country (it's called a choice, a.k.a. abortion). For these reasons (and others5), God ordered the destruction of
the peoples whom the Israelites
dispossessed.

If you know anything about abortion you will know that your God assuming he exist is the greatest supporter of abortions. Yahweh ordered the killed of people in the bible and the sharing of their virgin women, you see nothing wrong with that. Why then do you complain when Boko haram go around killing you foolish infidels for worshipping the wrong God? Allah told them to kill of all the infidels. Why is your own madness right and theirs wrong?

Anas09:
@dalaman. So God organised the killing of people because he needed to steal their land? Really? Only a man being controlled by satan can lay this accusation on God. Satan let u see what wrong and sin people commit, but when the consequences come, he tells u that God is wicked.
You are very funny my friend.
Their land? Really? Between God and man who owns anything on earth? We were all born and met these things here, and die off and leave them here. If its possible for man to create his own land, why hasn't man done that?
The land flowing with milk and horney. How did you know the land is flowing with Milk and honey? Who put the milk and honey in a dry rocky desert? How will u know that there's milk and honey in the land if he who put it there didn't say so?
If you decide to use my property, and I allow you. But you went on to abuse and misuse it, I have every right to take it from u and give to whomever I chose.
Satan sure has many followers.

Who is or what is satan? How does he look like and what language does he speak? Have you meet him before? Stop spewing nonsense. And you know that the land belongs to Yahweh? The land belongs to the Canaanite, Amorite and Hitite Gods. Yahweh only stole it from them since he couldn't create another one for his chosen people.

malvisguy212:
what was the reason for this killing ?go back and read the story again, beginning from the exedus era.

The reason was because he had already promised them the land.

4"On this day in the month of Abib, you are about to go forth. 5"It shall be when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, which He swore to your fathers to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey, that you shall observe this rite in this month. Exodus 13:4-5.