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johnydon22:
A wonderful piece and this could serve as a stimulus to any right thinking human to pause and think about all you think you believe...

Unfortunately the religious mind doesn't function that way at all. When I was a christian I used to get angry when I read such things. I don't know how to explain it but, you just can't relate to this things as a religious person. You just push them away. The religious mind abhors doubt, when you are driven bu fear you can't relate to anything that questions or encourages doubt. When you are driven by irrational fear(which is what drives most religious minds) you can't reason rationally when it comes to issues of religion. It blocks your mind from reasoning or seeing things that challange your religion no matter how true or real they appear.

I can relate to the child of satan part. Back in high school, a friend ask our CRK teacher some simple questions and she gave the same reply. She also said that only a child of satan will question God. She encouraged us to tell any one that asked us such questions to say get behind me satan. back then I truly felt offended that the guy was asking such questions and truly believe he was possessed by demons.

winner01:
Darwin also established that humans developed from apes with "evidence", and i should buy that because......
some Animals communicate in their own way and get more impressive when trained...fact still remains that there is no moral code in animals, but some can be taught to do impressive things. It still does not signify conscience...
You should give your own study not another persons, if you want mine. And kindly extend your study to other animals.

You haven't established that at all. You just said it.

winner01:
If you give bread to a poultry, a hen will take a chunk of it and run off somewhere to eat it alone, Does this signify conscience ....
If monkeys "appreciate morality" in their own way, does this mean they can choose between good and evil?
If monkeys "appreciate morality" in their own way, dont you think other animals have ways of communicating in their own ways, Dont bees dance, dont cats purr...Does this mean they have a conscience...
obviously you dont know what conscience means
Go read more and come back with more stupid links.

Higher animals like monkeys have been shown to demonstrate and understand morality. You are yet to show evidence that they don't. Instead of denying something that has been established why don't you produce your own study that shows that they don't understand or appreciate rudimentary morality. They have their own conscience. Your dog can see you in distress and offer to help you without being trained, Many dog owners can testify to that.

winner01:
Ok, the same way they told yhu that you evolved from apes shey
Give sensible and logical arguments with credible premises, you're not talking to an atheist.

If your dog steals a meat from your plate, it goes and hides somewhere to eat. Why does it do so? Many dogs put their tails in between their legs when they err, why do they do that? Chimps have been shown to understand and exhibit morality. It has been demonstrated. You have been making baseless assumptions without demonstrating or showing if it's true.

Here is an experiment that was done among some monkeys and it showed that they knew and appreciate morality in their own way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg

winner01:
It did not use its "conscience", it used its ability, fortified by learnt skills.
Animals are directed by their abilities, needs, and learned behaviors, not by a moral code...

It used it's own conscience. Animals have their own sense of morality, though it is rudimentary but animals like chimps and Gorillas have been shown to posses and understand morality.

winner01:
what do you mean by " a dog using its conscience to say someone it saw drawing in a pool." ........Is this not madness, egbami ......

So with that logic, if i subject or teach my dog from birth to learn how to eat uncooked bloody animal parts, im safe to say my dog can use its "conscience" to eat blood...
Conscience is not learnt or taught, what kind of thing is this
This is the worst unintelligent comment ive ever seen. Congratulations, You are a disgrace to yourself.

I meant to say "save someone it saw drowning in a pool"

The dog did it unsolicited. Used its conscience to save its owner when it saw it in danger and in need of help. Other dogs can be taught to do that. Kids are taught that. Their conscience is shaped. Many kids will see food opened and leave it like that. Others will even kick it away if it stands on their way, but they can be taught to close it and keep it for their brother or sister, they will learn and act accordingly.

winner01:
Your food!!!
I purposely used an illustration you can relate with..
You conscience tells you to return the money you stole or to preserve your brother's meal in his absence after youve had yours, even if you are still hungry.
Point is conscience makes you do as you will want others to do unto you.
Show me an animal that will preserve your food....
I suggest you shut up from here onwards.

An animal can be taught how to do that. Dogs have been taught how to do that an more. Some dogs jump into pools to save their owners when they saw them struggling while drawing.


Below is a video of a dog using its conscience to save someone it saw drowning in a pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UguKrHTPOs

winner01:
study what....show me an animal that preserves your food till you return from the kitchen or shut up already.

Preserve my food or it's ( the animal) food?

winner01:
it came from thin air , how come animals dont have conscience...
The God that created the heavens and the earth.

Animals don't have conscience according to you ? Go and study.

winner01:
The signature of God in the life of man is His conscience

"Conscience that came from thin air , right ? Why did "nature"
think it wise to give you a conscience to know what's good
or bad ? Tell me !!! Why?!!" -- kingebukasblog

No right thinking human remains an atheist if he honestly answers the above question.

How have you demonstrated that conscience came from God. By the way which of the Gods out of the many that were invented by men?

johnydon22:
Disbelief only occur where there is belief.

The gallery of a theater is called God (noun) this is not a belief just a lingual expression. . .the guy literally means you should disbelieve the gallery of a theater is not God.. How can you disbelieve what is not a belief but just a lingual expression?. .

Atheism deals simply with BELIEF... it only negate belief in deities or personal God (deities) concepts.

e.g: I believe the sun is God (deity) ... "I don't believe you, it's just the sun"

e.g2: I believe there is a god (deity) who created the universe and is outside the universe, needs human prayers and sacrifice and will punish you and give some a golden mansion..

"I don't believe you, prove it"

patheism: The universe is God....

"Good for you but it is just the universe to me"... its as simple as it gets

I get you perfectly. I just want to show him the irony of his statement.

FOLYKAZE:
Devas is not God? Are you serious at all?

Oga because an deity is not a god in the monotheitic concept or sense does not mean it is not God/deity.

Devas is a Sanskrit term meaning god, deity, divinity or celestial being. In Buddhism, devas are gods who live in the various realms of heaven as rewards for their previous good deeds, but they are still subject to rebirth. http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/devas.html

And you have the got to say they are not worshipping? What then is the essense of home shrine and temple? http://www.english.fgs2.ca/?q=why-buddhists-bow-pray-or-worship-buddha-statue-if-buddhism-does-not-believe-creationism

What is the dude in this picture below doing?

https://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/272991.jpg

Is he eating or praying/worshipping?

And to the other question, I have answered you here https://www.nairaland.com/2486202/let-atheist-answer/3#36505086 and here https://www.nairaland.com/2486202/let-atheist-answer/3#36507691

Niggga I dont have your time

I am not a Buddhist so I wont dwell on what I don't know. The Wikipedia entry says Devas are not Gods. As for the second question you still haven't answered anything. You just played with words. Why are you an atheist since you insist that atheist disbelieve in all Gods?

FOLYKAZE:
It is wrong to say politicians are corrupt when you mean to say Nigerian politicians are corrupt.

The OP analysis is definitive but directed to general entity

More rigmarole. Jehovah is God. Until you show that Jehovah isn't God then you can keep playing with words. The Op is very right. Jehovah is God.

FOLYKAZE:
God is a very complex word in which Jehovah fits in.

The depiction of the OP has nothing to do with shiva or Orangun who are God too.

So I had to nail what he refers to and tame him to his boumdary

Jehovah still remains God. So the OP is not wrong in any way. Jehovah is God. Op is talking about God which Jehovah is.

FOLYKAZE:
Buddhism has not God?

Who do they pray to?

Who are the devas?

Why is there temple made for them?

Why do they go on pilgrimage?

Abeg pack well. You can check the lists of buddhist devas on the internet. I cant waste time trashing you on this.

And for your othr question, I have answered you on other thred. No waste my time abeg

Deva in Buddhism is not a God. From wikipedia.

A deva (देव Sanskrit and Pāli) in Buddhism is one of many different types of non-human beings who share the characteristics of being more powerful, longer-lived, and, in general, much happier than humans, although none of them are worthy of worship.

If you read further you will see where they clearly say that Devas are not gods. It is clearly written there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)

As for the second question, you have not answered me anywhere. Why are you an atheist since you insist that atheist must disbelieve in all Gods. Why are you then an atheist?

FOLYKAZE:
Name that spiritual society that is devoured of God

Buddhism is an spirituality that lacks a God figure. You do not need to believe in God to be spiritual. Many people do not believe in any God idea but are spiritual. You calling your self an atheist is ridiculous. Why are you an atheist ? Remember according to you an atheist must disbelieve in all Gods.

FOLYKAZE:
Human and Judges are God too.

Money is God.

Cow is God.

In particular, the Op is referring to Jehovah

Jehovah still is God. Unless you can show that Jehovah isn't God.

FOLYKAZE:
atheist that embrace spirituality.

Copy the difference.

No difference. According to you an atheist doesn't believe in all God concepts. And you say you are one. Isn't that the height of all confusion. Spirituality has nothing to do with God. You can be spiritual but lack any belief in a God or Gods.

FOLYKAZE:
I got fine link buttressing this point of yours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe
https://guyus./my-pantheistic-views/why-i-view-the-universe-as-god/

What most people call God are natural entities that exist here and there. Do you wonder why some culture worship cow and snakes? Does calling them God makes them non-existing?

But the question I ask lot, and I will ask you. Do you believe in pantheist God? Do you believe in Gaia exist. Do you believe the God exist?

If yes, do you still hold that you are an atheist?

The same question can be asked of you. Just the other time you said you are an atheist. Why do you hold that you are an atheist?

FOLYKAZE:
The topic should be when Jehovah doesnt make sense.

But Jehova is God.

mrZENographer:
Common sense should tell you that if there are fakes, there is a real one. It is because of the real one that fakes came about.

Jesus warned that false prophets, Christs, teachers shall rise and deceive many. Moreover, you may have been hearing 'Antichrist'.
This is the major opposer of Jesus Christ. The man of sin. He is coming to bring a false peace to mankind. The stage is quickly being set. The current pope, Obama, U.N, E.U is working hard to set his stage. The one global Authority, religon cloud is already rising. In september the pope will be meeting the U.N on this behalf. So just wake up.

The prophecies are true. And soon you will here of disappearances of people. What follows next is a man who believes he is God forcing his mark 666 on all of mankind. But some shall resist and die and be saved. But those that take it shall be damned forever and ever. Just wake up please.

Jesus is a false prophet according to the another man's religion.

TheDauraMallam:
There's nothing as sweeter as pitching two religious fanatics together to display their delusion in the full glare of the Internet.

*chuckles*

I am an atheist. I am actually trying to get him to see the folly of his statement. I know he won't but am just trying to let him understand that the way he doesn't lose sleep when muslims threaten him with hell is the same way muslims and other non believers in the christian stories and bubble fail to lose sleep when he threatens them with hell. Of course every religion has to tell his adherents that if they believe they will be handsomely rewarded and those that fail to believe will be severely punished. Every religion does that.

malvisguy212:
Those who believe in the son of God shall not be judge.
Those who have never come in contact with the Gospel will be judge base on there work.
And those who hered the gospel but reject it will not be allow to enter heaven.

Those who deny that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his last messenger will not enter paradise. They will rot in hell.

Reality says that prayers are usless.

All religions and Gods are man made, that is why we have different Gods and different religious ideas. There is nothing like hell. It is just a trick to scare people and beat them into accepting mythology and fiction of the ancient people that invented all these convoluted stories and myths.

Why do believers dislike atheist so much?

JMAN05:
Just shut the crap! Do u expect that I will be fooled over what I know happened?

What do you know happened?

KingEbukasBlog:
ribs regenerate though

Ribs regenerate, so? Ribs of mammals, not humans alone regenerate. I see no connection between this and the biblical story of creation. Where in the bible creation story does it say that God created people with the ability of their ribs to regenerate.

KingEbukasBlog:
But its science's explanation for the existence of the modern man (physical , habitual , and intellect ) . I thought you were a science guy ?

Origin science is what I do not agree with completely. Macro evolution as explained is not so convincing to me.

JMAN05:
Shut shut shut up, go and burn the shrine of known traditional deity. If u survive, then i will believe it when u say nothing supernatural is there. Keep lying to ur head. Atheist for mouth.

I am not telling you about my cousin for u to believe, I know who I am and what i ve seen. I know of a pastor who burned the village deity to liberate his Dad who served the god. No one told him to immediately come and rebuild it. He never slept until he did it. So show ur belief by ur action. Stop deceiving people of what u dont really believe is true.

Do not accept that story if u wish, after all u never saw any. However, I that saw and heard, wont foolishly believe those lies of u guys.

Will you keep quite? Do you know the number of African and Nigerian carved deities that were taken away from Africa and Nigeria and
are presently on display in various English museums? Do you know how many shrines, evil forest and local deities were burned by the Europeans when they came to Africa/ Nigeria? Uncountable African Gods/deities are presently laying helplessly in museums in England and other parts of Europe.

KingEbukasBlog:
any explanation for fossils , then ?

Not convincing enough for me.