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KingEbukasBlog:
Please abeg oo . God is not a sky deity neither does He live in the clouds . I wonder why people still hold unto the beliefs meant for 2 yr olds .

Nollywood at work - God and His angels living in the sky - in the clouds

Every God lives inside the head of those that believe in that version of God. The Hindu Gods live inside the head of the Hindus, Allah lives inside the head of the muslims, Yahweh lives inside the heads of the Jews, the trinity God of the christians lives inside their heads and on and on.

KingEbukasBlog:
There are theistic evolutionists or people who believe God orchestrated evolution (theistic evolution) .

Its quite different from what I mean . Im talking of the betterment of God's relationship with man and other related stuff since the beginning of creation (pre-adamic creation all through to post-adamic creation ) plus the concept of God too .

Betterment of God's relationship with man. Funny how and all knowing creature refines and betters it's relationship with his allege creation. You guys keep making your God look incompetent with the things you say about him.

malvisguy212:
alright, my question to you is , why will satan bother to stress himself in trying to trick someone that cannot differentiate between right and wrong ?

Why do you love telling lies, according to the bible Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad, before then, they didn\t know what good and bad was. From there bible it says:

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

Before then Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil(Right and wrong). Quit telling lies, its there in black and white.

A Scientific Explanation For The
Wormwood Star
The Wormwood prophecy cites a "great
star, blazing like a torch". Comets are
well known for their blazing tails, due to
ionization of their gases by the Sun.
Either an asteroid or comet could
manifest a blazing tail on their entry into
Earth's atmosphere. With respect to a
comet's impact with a planet,
astronomers have recently tracked the
collision of the "Shoemaker-Levy 9"
comet with the planet Jupiter and were
able to confirm many of their theories.
Various scientific scenarios have been
theorized on the effects of an asteroid or
comet's collision with Earth. An
applicable scenario theorizes a chemical
change in the atmosphere due to "heat
shock" during entry and/or impact of a
large asteroid or comet, reacting oxygen
and nitrogen in the atmosphere to
produce nitric acid rain.
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?q=%22messianic+literary+corner%22&ei=6RU1TZjcMof6M6Hwz6EB&ved=0CAoQFjAB&hl=en&source=m&rd=1&u=http://www.messianic-literary.com/comet1.htm

This seems to be what john is describing in revelation infacte it is exactly what peter wrote on how God will destroyed the earth.

The bible used the word star not comets and asteroids, stop telling more lies for the bible. You have no shame.

freecocoa:
This forgiveness nonsense seems to be what I find most ridiculous with these theists, I mean like, me a small sinner that only 'fornicates' will share the same hell with shekau, or better yet, should Shekau manage to accept jesus before his death, he'd own a mansion in paradise and me go occupy hell, I wonder how anyone can see sense in this.

Shekau already believes he will go to Allah's paradise for killing the infidels. The christians believe Moses of the bible who is no different from Shekau is already in heaven.

johnydon22:
[b]The idea of theism has always been one created to make a soft landing psychological pillow for people, people tend to need an escape route to channel their problems and responsibilities psychologically and by so doing lack independent self determination.

First they need an escape route for their own problems instead of owning up someone conjures up flimsy excuses like "It was the devil's handiwork" "It's God's plan" "God is testing you" and in so doing they erode compassion and human sympathy in times of human tragedy.

"It was the devils handiwork" an escape route to heap their own responsibilities and failures on an escape goat so they might escape owning up to their problems, if the misfortunes on the world is the work of a devil, it clearly shows the devil is more active than the good guy who suppose to be doing the good ones.

"It's God's plan" if everything is God's plan and God has prepared everything according to his will, why then do you pray and beg for favours because it's more like telling God "Your plans is good and all but fvck it i want it done my own way.

"God is testing you" This stone cold excuse is one that i always chastise, eroding compassion in order to make flimsy excuses and create a psychological escape route.

THE FORGIVENESS ESCAPE ROUTE.

This is the worst form of psychological dependency on abstract concepts when people cannot own up to their actions and agree responsibility for them.

That is when you hear idiotic statements like "We are saved by grace" in order words blatantly riding themselves from the guilt of their wrong doings to others.

What i find to be moral is the way you treat others and when i wrong someone i regard their feelings and i if i want to will only ask forgiveness from them because they are the one i hurt.

But a theist logic on forgiveness is; You hurt someone and instead of apologizing to that person you enter your room, mumble some words to the floor and come out saying you are forgiven by God but the person you offend is still hurting and has no idea of your act of repentance from your action. .

Why do someone need forgiveness from a deity when you hurt another human?

A woman once told me that it is because you also hurt God by hurting another human.. My reply was "Since by hurting another human you hurt God, isn't it clear that by apologizing to the person you hurt and gaining his/her forgiveness you should as well gain forgiveness from any God you delusionally think you offended".

I have never seen people who butter self righteousness together with outright hypocrisy more.... You hurt someone and claim to be saved by grace therefore ridding yourself of the responsibility your action entails and more wickedly neglecting the feelings of the one you offended.

I can never trust someone who cannot own up to his mistakes, his actions and take absolute responsibility for them but seeks a psychological escape from them

We do not need forgiveness from any God or any Deity, (Our actions are towards one another) We only need forgiveness from each other [/b]

I have read from a lot of atheist here and in other places but you truly stand out. You reason and make very unconventional but very cogent points that always makes theism look shallow and ridiculous. I love your mind and your eloquence.

FOLYKAZE:
lol

Do you have any problem you want to see into? Pls I WANT A SERIOUS LIFE MATTER and not a cooked up story.

Let me have your real name, maiden name and little details about yourself. Details should surround the problem and how you came into it or how you rope into it.

I am not involved in consultation on behalf of people but I will do that now because of you.

Deal?

Right now I don't have any serious life matter or problem to be candid. When I do(life is full of ups and downs) then I will contact you and then we will do it.

FOLYKAZE:
You challenged me and I accepted ba? Stop lying na.

I am not lying, the thread is still there. You accepted the challenge but you tried to water it down. You said the man will only predict the winner of the presidential elections before you threw the challenge to the other guy.

Ghostofsparta created Oogun discussion on this said thread. He raised a challenge before I came in which to me appears like I am taking up his challenge. To this, I asked for his permission and his reply was something like he doesnt want me to pick the challenge on his behalf. The last time we discussed this and promised to reach him, his number is not going through, he is on whatsapp now for the past 3months. Na where you won make I look for him go again?

Oga, you cant sit your ass abroad and expect me to prove something down home. You will need to experience things first-hand. Who are those that aint taking me serious? I have taken more than dozen of skeptics here for Ifa consultaion. I wont mention their names here though. They dont sit their asss in abroad or home and ask me to consult baba on their behalf. If you need to experience it, come back to the root and see for yourself

Ghostofsparta is not a serious person, he is a liar for all I care. I don't have to come back anywhere, I can set up a very clear cut challenge like the previous one that doesn't require me coming down to Nigeria. Tell me what kind of consultation your Ifa does and I will set up a very clear cut challenge and hand it over to you, a challenge that the outcome can not be disputed.

9jacrip:
The efficacy of Arab/Islam charms and amulets is what I cannot say.

For Yoruba who has original ones, the use and application of charm works with natural law.
You cannot have ayeta and stand in the front of a shotgun at very close range, chest a thrown hand grenade or a missile.
Even if you stood in front of a guns not in the ranges of those there's a limit to how many times you can get hit - you're supposed to take flight upon the first or max second hit, not stay. Likewise okigbe when it comes to being stabbed with bottles or metals.

If the ayeta is like a protective amour that covers the body and is made up of very strong material then I believe it can work, but if the ayeta is just something you tie around your arm, waist, leg or any body part and expect it to stop a bullet from hitting your chest or head then, I doubt the truth behind the claim.I will only believe it when I see it in action because it is an extra ordinary claim. It involves suspending the laws of nature which doesn't happen in reality. The boko haram people also make the same claim about their charms and amulets, they truly believe it will save them from the bullets of the Nigerian army but it continues to fail them always. Now that the Nigerian army is better armed, better determined and motivated they have taken the fight to boko harm and are killing them like flies. Shekau and his people brag about possessing anti bullet powers that will help them defeat the Nigerian army. Most of these things are just empty claims. The Niaja delta militants used to claim they also have bullet proof odeshi, until the Nigeria army went in a cleared odi village during OBJ's term as president, the militants all ran away.

9jacrip:
So if you had oogun on you and you saw boko haram members with heavy attilery firing at you, you would walk towards them to hit them with a ring or bante? Really? When the bullet protection or evading oogun itself is for flight purposes?

Search youtube, you'd see NA guys with oogun on them at battle front.

Having ogun is very different from it working as claimed, even the boko haram members that were gunned down mostly have charms and amulets tied round their waist and other parts of their bodies which they believe will protect them against the bullets of the Nigerian army but it failed them. Their pictures are all over the internet.

FOLYKAZE:
No one is ready to voluntare. Not even wiegraf and johnnydon22. Na so so mouth we get here.

Dalaman sits in faraway country and wants to confirm oogun. He is unserious type. I have engage lot of skeptics since 2009 but no one is ready for the show.

If I can pin point an Oogun that cannot be flag down as trick, I will make a video and upload here.

Will you keep quite. I gave you a very simple task to perform the other time and you ran away together with your man ghostofsparta. Yet you have the audacity to mention my name in your baseless talk. I gave you a very clear task to perform which you try to water it down, you claimed you needed permission from the other guy, the guy came, refused to take the very clear cut challenge and opted for something else, i accepted and he ran away. You guys aren't serious, I don't need to come to Nigeria, I can give you very clear cut challenge that others do, if your juju or African science is real then we can test it with very simple task. If I set up another challenge , you will still run away. Yet you wonder why no body takes you seriously.

9jacrip:
Oogun is everywhere in Africa. It now depends on how deeply the society has absorbed foreign religion to have abandoned their cultural sciences and arts of oogun.

You'd be surprised lots of soldiers have oogun especially the Yoruba ones.

If its true that some of the yoruba soldiers have it then why don't we see them use it on boko haram and drive them out to eat grass?

9jacrip:
The emboldened is real.
You're aware some people could get hit by a ring and they could start eating sand, chewing grass, running non stop, pooping themselves, drooling like an imbec!le on the spot at the minute of contact?

Likewise, there's an ase so powerful that it picks up instantly. For example, the type of ase isoro chiefs hold durinf festivals in Ife are so potent that people around them are advised not to curse at all.

Yes, Karma can be averted if a person corrects the wrong deed through a rewind process of whatevever they did or spiritually through etutu, ebo riru, ebe awon agba etc although, I do not think all karma can be averted.

They've come again. Please can you give your ogun or what ever to the people living in the north to use against boko haram?

FOLYKAZE:
Karma which you are bringing in here goes far into existence in the past and the present incarnate. This is quite different from what the OP is saying here.

What I know is that karma is cause and effect. . .action and reaction. . .attack and repel which prints are everywhere in the universe.

That for that.

You are just incorrigible. I gave you a direct quote from the OP and you are still talking thrash as usual.

Here it is once again.

theunusualmoon:
When you hear people say life is a b**ch,at times,they are unwittingly referring to Karma.
Karma is simply the idea that one reaps what one sows.If you betray a friend who has been honest with you for sometime,you"ll most certainly be stabbed in the back by someone you trust sooner or later in a more painful fashion.
So the big question is: What force ensures Karma lives up to its responsibilities?

There it is in black and white, quite lying please. The OP has defined what Karma is and went ahead to give examples of what he is saying. I do not have time for your opinion that has nothing to do with the topic the OP is discussing.

Share with us experience between you and your parent and not experience from your friend and his parents.

Very lame, many parents disown their kids, curse them and kill them. To deny that reality is to not know what you are saying.

Out of anger, they might kill their children.

Causing one out of anger is scolding.

Will you quit this foolishness of yours, who are you to tell me the definition of cursing? Are you in every parents mind to know that when they curse their kids they are scolding them? Quit this foolishness please, it so lame.

Your friend mother pray for children in her church, did she go to the church to curse her son if she really mean it?

Where is it written that parents are to go to church to curse their kids?

When did you read that the father picked up his quran, went to the mosque and cursed his son for converting to christianity? This is not you are not telling us.

Another lame attempt, I said I read that a father in Zaria Kaduna state attacked his son and trued to kill him because his son converted to Christianity, what has that got to do with the nonsense you are writing?

Oh you forgot so soon that you said the measure for success is money?

This is what I said.

dalaman:
Success is measured by riches together with other things. To claim that success is not measured by riches is to deny reality. Why are the richest nations considered to be the most successful nations? Why are nations like Malawi, Chad, Niger and Burma not considered as successful nations?

Quit trying to say what I didn't say. I never said that money alone is the measure of success but money is also used to measure success.

FOLYKAZE:
Did I say you should see success the way I see it?

Johnny said success to him is happiness while I choose inner peace as my aim. Is it not different?

Stop this hiding in shame tactics

I am not referring to the issue of success but to the OP and what he was talking about. He was talking about the traditional definition of Karma which you tried to change as usual by giving it your own meaning.

johnydon22:
I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...


But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy

Am getting tired of FOLYKAZE and his semantic games. Everything has to be the way he personally defines it.

FOLYKAZE:
After attaining wealth, there will still be something you want to chase. Power, fame and lot more. This does not equate a successful life.

Human wants are insatiable. But to claim that wealth has nothing to do with success is to deny reality.

gatiano:
Japan and most of those countries that you call rich have their normal life expectancy because they know who and what their body and organs is made up off.

Black people on the other hand strife to want to live like every other person beside his/her own person, This is the ONLY thing that kills us at 45 or less, Blackman/Blackwoman 90 years is not old atall.
Our health system is bad not because of bad or corrupt government or not because we studied bad, in fact, we studied best and our government are illitrates in the science and mathematics of corruption.
We only study medicine using the other races definition and idea. It is very much unlike us, We are a different people entirely. racism not intended.

Talking about successful and rich countries, do you the quantity of fluorine in their water? yet it is good for them, and very bad for you as a black person, the same with a fluorine essense light(fluorecent), Do you know fluorine is the most poisonous substance on the face of this planet? Do you know that food is the live source of every living thing, and in order for it to function efficiently socially, economically, scientifically, mathematically etc, It has to take that food which suit it perfectly and in perfect quantity?

Black people wants to be rich, wealthy, healthy, reach good old age. We must live according to what our body wants.

So Japan life expectancy is long because yours is short due to the fact that you are living other than yourself. (not you, Your life should not be short)

FOLYKAZE:
Lol @ the bold.

Even gatiano get sense more than I think than you do.

No offense pls.

Do you deny that success is partly measured by riches? Is wealth not considered as being successful?

FOLYKAZE:
Cause and effect you agree on that with me.

Influence on person future.. . .this is what you are clinging on. But do you ask yourself how an effective repel or reaction can happen immediately afetr the cause? Effect or reaction happens in future either in the next minute or hour or year or centuries.

The Law of Cause & Effect states that absolutely everything happens for a reason. This reason lies in the past while the effect is the present which is future when viewed from the past.

I dont know why you cant understand this simple logic.

You are just giving your own definition that has nothing to do with what the OP is all about. Here is the OP

theunusualmoon:
When you hear people say life is a b**ch,at times,they are unwittingly referring to Karma.
Karma is simply the idea that one reaps what one sows.If you betray a friend who has been honest with you for sometime,you"ll most certainly be stabbed in the back by someone you trust sooner or later in a more painful fashion.
So the big question is: What force ensures Karma lives up to its responsibilities?
.

That is what the OP is all about. From wikipedia

Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म; IPA: [ˈkərmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) means action, work or deed;[1] it also refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect).[2] Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.[3][4] Karma is closely associated with the idea of rebirth in some schools of Asian religions.[5] In these schools, karma in the present affects one's future in the current life, as well as the nature and quality of future lives - or, one's saṃsāra.

This is the traditional Karma the OP is talking about. I don't have time satisfying or agreeing with your own opinions that have nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

Parents that curse their kids do such out of anger and not with the intention to kill them. Or maybe you take harshful scolding for cursing.

Did your friend parents bring their sons outside and started cursing them like, my children, you wont make it in life. Shouting loudly that the youngest shall be greater than you? When did they say their children wont succeed. In Jesus name you wont live long? Did they say that? You should quite lying because you want to gain a point.

It seems you don't know what you are saying, may parents kill and harm their kids, so what are you saying about parents cursing their kids to scare them? Who are you to know the intention of all parents? Stop acting a fool please. My friends mum disowned him in my presence and rained curses on him saying he will never amount to anything good in this life, she said he is doomed and will end up in the streets, she even removed her clothes and used her boobies to swear on him in public. she drove him out of her house and they don't speak to each other till today. What the hell are you saying? Many parents curse their kids, some kill and harm their kids, to deny that reality is to be a liar.

I have parent and have a kid too. My parents could curse me and later in the day change tone. This is my personal experience and not that of another friend family. I have personally asked my mum why she cursed me and I found out from her it was because I caused troubles to her. At the end, she will call me in and bless me. This shows it is not from her heart.

Your parents are not all parents, they are not a standard for anything, they are just your parents. Many parents kill their kids, so quit talking thrash.

African woman fit shout, yes I know that. They may say this and and that will kill you but they dont mean it.

Many parents in Africa kill their kids. Some cause them harm and disfigure them permanently, other curse their kids with then intention that they never see good in their lives and disown them. These things happen, so quitting talking thrash and using your your self or your family as a standard that does not exist. I read about a guy in Zaria Kaduna state that wanted to kill his son for converting to christianity just yesterday.

Success is all about making money? I repeat you are a kid.

Who said success is all about making money? Money is regarded as success to deny that is to deny reality.

adexsimply:
Sorry bro, this lacks coherence. Are you by any chance trolling ?

gatiano:
Do not confuse illusion with reality.
Japan is a rich country, but they have hidden what radiation poison is causing to them, You don't want to go deep into ukraine, belarus , russia and many parts of european countries where they are dieing silently and covering their delusion with ulter ego. American are complaining about leakage of chemical waste and radioactive waste into their drinking water. Do you consider all these riches as wealth and success without health and future?

Yes, I agree with you when it comes to nations of Black people as compare with other nations. That is simply due to the fact that The Black nations lack knowledge of self which they have forgotten(they are really an ancient people but not backwards).

On the otherhand, all other nation have the knowledge of themselves and also about 1% knowledge of who the Black people are. wealth is measured infact simply by Character.

Japan has one of the highest life expectancy in the world. Russia, Ukraine etc are much more successful than Burundi, Malawi, Chad and Niger. I really don't know what to make of the rest of your commentary.

gatiano:
of what use is for to have all the money, cars and castle but secretly has a showcase of pills in the closet? Success is not measured by riches, it is measured by character towards situations, conditions, things, people among several other things.

Karma happens all the time to all of us, The only thing is that we are most of the time not conscious about what is going on around us and definitely do not know what happened in the past.

Everything is round and circle or spherical. Everything starts with a thought which materializes into existence but before all that is also a purpose. Once you send out a thought through your own DNA, who do you think the thought is going to come back to? It is to those with your DNA information, who are very closely related to you. Thought is a quantity. The more focus we have on a particular thought, the more that thought materializes. How many thoughts did you have yesterday?
Karma is embroided in the deeds that materializes through thoughts and purpose.

Success is measured by riches together with other things. To claim that success is not measured by riches is to deny reality. Why are the richest nations considered to be the most successful nations? Why are nations like Malawi, Chad, Niger and Burma not considered as successful nations?

FOLYKAZE:
You are repeating what I said and adding some silly mumbo jumbo as flavour. Anyway you dont need to agree with me but you cannot run away from the truth I speak.

Karma is cause and effect which is action over equal and opposite reaction. Simple as ABC. The example you add is crap. . . .

You are giving me your own definition of Karma which is actually not what it represents, but your own concocted ideas. Karma in the classical sense is cause and effect where where the intent or actions on an individual influences the future of that individual. That is what karma is and that is what the OP is talking about not your semantics.

Another rabble rouser.

Where did I say curse work?

The point I am making is that parents cannot out from their heart cause a child. Those that do it dont mean it but do it only to scare a child away.

Another thrash talk, many parents kill their children daily so what do you mean by parents are only cursing their kids only to scare them? A lot of parents curse their kids with the intention of them meeting doom in their life, my friend's mum did same to him. You are only but one individual and I consider it as foolishness on your part for claiming to speak for all parents or claiming to know their intentions. The statement you have made is categorically false because many parents curse their kids, disown them and have nothing to do with them. Many harm and kill their kids.

And it seem all you got in your head is that curse stops one from succeeding. Do you measure a successful life with the fleet of cars one own and the value of wealth? I dont know you are a kid. Tar!

And what do curses do? Make people succeed in life? . How do you measure success? Is it not by excelling in what you do? Yes sucess is measured by the money you have and the fleets of cars you own, that is why the Forbes magazine releases the list of the most successful business people annually, and it is based purely on how much billions of dollars they have. You can create your own alternative reality which pretends that money has nothing to do with success but this reality we live in says it is a lie.

FOLYKAZE:
Oga cut the crap.

Every action attracts equal and opposite reaction. . .that is karma and should not necessary be organised as you want.

What do you mean by doing well? Is it by flying round the globe in private jet?

Who are you to tell me what karma is? That is your own definition of karma. According to most people karma refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where the intent or actions on an individual influences the future of that individual. That has shown not to be true in many cases. For example they claim that of you cheat people and become rich, someone will also cheat you in the future or you'll lose your wealth mysteriously because ot was ill gotten. The reality we see around jas shown that not to be true.

As for doing well I mean doing better than those that were not cursed. I have a friend whose mum cursed him saying he will never do well in this life. Right now he is the only one that is rich and comfortable among all his siblings . In fact he is the only one that is married among all of them with kids. His elder ones are all poor , underemployed or unemployed. His elder brother died at the age of 37 mysteriously, this is just a single one. We can take a look at Israel. Do you know the amount of curses the Arabs pour out on them daily? All over the middle east the last 10 days of Ramadan is used as a special session of pouring out courses of doom on the nation of Israel by their Arab neighbors from 1948 till date but Israel remains the most developed nation in the entire middle east. More developed than the Arab neighbors that keep cursing them year in year out. They have achieved all these living on a desert land without any oil while the others all have oil.
Curses don't work. If it does we can test it right now using me. I'll offer my self as a lab rat.

kayo80:
You said you were once a Christian...How did you break out of the shackles? I am always curious to know, cos I am an atheists, and the more I try to get my close friends enlightened, the harder it becomes...Like it is totally impossible to make them think logically and rationally. And these guys are highly intelligent... So, I always want to know how someone that was once a Christian could break free of that bondage.

Reading the debates between christians and muslims here on nairaland was what first made me to start thinking about God's existence, before then I had never thought about it. Reading the debates between christians and atheist made be to start questioning, not negatively,I started researching to prove that the atheists were wrong but found out that they were mostly right and it is the christians that were actually wrong and were mostly spinning or telling lies for christianity. I left Nigeria in 2012 to Europe and it sealed everything. The Europeans are godless but are better human beings than us in everything.

theunusualmoon:
How about curses? Almost everyone on this thread has been quiet about that.

Curses? Do they work? I know a lot of people that were cursed by their parents but are doing very well, their siblings that were not cursed died young or are living miserable lives, while those that were cursed by the parents are doing very well. Africa and the world in general shows that karma is just random and disorganized, it doesn't function as it's proponents assert that is if there is anything like karma.

UyiIredia:
Una don dey think like atheist ba ! No froblem ! Just pack una sef go my joint for here

https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence

If you can rebut the arguments there, you can start thinling like an atheist, in fact you can be an atheist. If not, the least u can do is no that there is a God. Just know that a number of atheists have tried and failed at making their case on that thread including johndonny22 and ifeness, these 2 in particular ran away and never came back after replies I made.

This video completely debunks your three arguments.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo

Here is another one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LPwA7FRZ4

CaptainJune:
So let me break my silence concerning my earlier post.

@ weah96, Plaetton, wordcat, iamtewwy, and keenn.

After reading Keenn's comment where he quoted me, it suddenly dawned on me why my post has been grossly misunderstood and this is what I want to address.

You guys misunderstood my post to mean that the people whose stories I advised the Op to read died because they were atheists. That idea, if one ever had it, is not only laughable but also shocking and absurd altogether. Dalaman was the only person who seemed to understand my post but he quoted me only to refute the claims of Dr Eben Alexander.

Everybody dies whether atheist, Christian, Muslim...oh please, I don't even want to dwell on that. It is only common sense.

As regards my post where I quoted atheists who died, you guys hastily overlooked an additional sentence in which I said they gave their lives to Christ. Their 'stories' means their testimonies. They died and came back to life. Their experience of death changed their former opinion of the existence of God - forever. That is why they serve God faithfully today because they have SEEN for themselves that God truly exists and science cannot explain His existence.

Most of them are simply lying. Dr Eben Alexander was never an atheist and he has been debunked and shown to be a fraud. He was a doctor that was out of work before he came up with the idea. He has been shown to be a fraud and a liar. I don't know of the rest but I believe they are all liars like him.

If you seek evidence of the existence of God, it has always been there, staring at you. I will tell you why.

You say testimonies cannot be verified yet you know millions of people saying the same thing have no ulterior motive. By reason of their great and swelling number, which cannot be said of any religion on earth, the argument of 'joint collaboration to spread the Gospel with false stories' has been abolished by time, space, distance and age. It is utterly impossible to conceive such notion given these extremely limiting or hindering factors.

About 1.8 billion muslims testify to the existence of Allah. Alot of them all say the same thing. over 1.2 billion Hindus also testify to the existence of Brahma. All the billions of muslims and Hindus also have no ulterior motive. the internet is filled with stories and documentaries of Hindus that died and reincarnated, the Dai Lama is an example of a person that claims to have reincarnated. People have changed and accepted Hinduism because others close to them have claimed to have reincarnated, the internet is filled with such stories and testimonies. There is no religious experienced that you have experienced as a Christian that people of other religions haven't experienced. It might be different but they also have their own powerful religious experience that you dismiss off hand. Once you have been indoctrinated and taught how to reason and behave the way religion does, you are bound to see things and experience things in a certain way. that is why muslims cast out muslim demons, hindus do same, they perform exorcism and cast out their own hindu demons while christians cast out their own christian demons. It is all about the systematic indoctrination. Religion will always make you see thing that are aren't there.

Secondly, the argument of hallucination, that is, a huge population of people all suffering the same hallucination throughout the ages, particularly Christians, is impossible to hold and ridiculously illogical. First, it would have to be attributed to an agent responsible for such hallucination. Till today, the said agent of hallucination has remained obscure or unknown. In addition to that, the agents causing such hallucination would be so widespread that they would have to circulate the whole world. Then, the agents would have to strictly select Christians - man, woman, boy, girl, child - as their hosts, and finally, they must have been in existence for 2000 years now. Merely reading this shows tons of error behind this reasoning. That is not all. What about the selection of 'Christians' who were but atheists and pagans or idol worshipers when they witnessed Christ? The hallucination argument is a futile attempt to discredit the testimonies of people who have witnessed God.

There are many christians that converted to Islam some of which are pastors and evangelist, listen to their testimonies, many of them claim divine encounter as the reason for their conversion. Famous celebrities left their lavish life styles and embraced Islam, some have also claimed divine revelation. Why do you dismiss all their claims? Are all of them lying or is it all part of a great conspiracy?

If there is true conviction in the deities of the various religions of the world, why are their adherents not witnessing to the whole world of the reality of their gods in the various geographical locations of the world as the existence of God is witnessed today by countless number of people or Christians of different races, ages, and backgrounds? Islam is the most widely practiced religion in the world yet you can never find one among them who claims to have seen Allah or had conversation with him as hundreds of thousands of Christians have done and do with the Father or Jesus or the Holy spirit.

You know nothing about other religions apart from the crazy propaganda you read about them mostly from christian sources who are just out to discredit them. As for the christians claiming to hear or talk to Jesus why are all of them receiving different messages from Jesus? Some will tell you that Jesus appeared to them and told them that only members of their sects will go to heaven, others will say Jesus appeared to them and told them that people must tithe because it is linked to their salvation, and on and on. Different people receiving different contradictory messages from this Jesus. It seems this Jesus must be a mad man if he exist.

It remains that if you refuse to believe the existence of God, it is not because there is no evidence of God; it is because you detest the idea of a God to whom you will give an account of how you spent your life on earth, and who punishes or rewards you accordingly. In that case, God is just and righteous in His judgment because it is what you want that He gives you.

It remains that if you refuse to believe the existence of Allah and Brhama, it is not because there is no evidence of Allah and Brahma; it is because you detest the idea of a these Gods to whom you will give an account of how you spent your life on earth, and who punishes or rewards you accordingly. In that case, Allah and Brahma are just and righteous in their judgment because it is what you want that they give you.

johnydon22:
Your consciousness is as a result of the neuroperceptive activities going on in your body and ultimately brain... You had no consciousness before this body (you simply did not exist) what ever thing gave you the impression that your consciousness (which is a product of this body) will transcend this body really got you retarded

Like you stated on the other thread . "Innocent naivety".

Admiral49:
i know u r afraid of ENTERNITY, THUS ENTERNITY WILL TELL IF THERE IS NO GOD.

Why are you projecting your fears on others? No atheist is afraid of eternity. If we were, we would be religious.

adewalker:
. How is islam related to these religions u quoted

Islam is also a man made religion like all the others.

CaptainJune:
BRIGHTRIVERS and Youngpol,
have you read the stories of the following former atheists who died and why they gave their lives to Christ?


Thomas Welch. He fell from a great height and died instantly.

Howard Storm. Had a fatal disease and died after a nurse told him that a surgeon could not be found that day to treat him even though she expressed hope that one would be found the next day.

Ian McCormack. He went swimming with some friends in Mauritius, was stung by a box-jellyfish and died later.

Dr Eben Alexander. A neurosurgeon and atheist. Went into three weeks of coma when he succumbed to meningitis. All that time in coma, his brain was dead, yet he had consciousness.

These are just a few but are eye openers to let you know that atheists bask in ignorance, that is, until they come face to face with reality, especially through death, and all their argument against God's existence crumble into pieces.

Of course, there are former atheists who didn't need death to convince them of the truth in the Bible, but who can win an argument against death?

I don't know of the others but Dr Eben Alexander was never an atheist, he has been exposed as a fraud. The doctor that was present when he went into coma has stated that he lied about many things he said. She is also a christian by the way.