So enjoyed this thread.

@op, I like your way of reasoning.. today, I am a believing Christian, though born and brought up as a nominal christian and values.

I found my cultural values and goodly desires in line with what the Bible tells me. Talk about forgiveness, love, endurance, abiding in peace with people, threatning Satan, performance of miracles, and lastly fulfilling God's purpose in life. I tell you, no other man said he is the TRUTH and LIFE, and that WHATSOEVER I ask God the Father in his name will be done for me, but one man did these 2012 years ago...what a privilege?

To those who indulge in a religion because of conversion rate; you need to consider two conditions here:

1. On what grounds were these people converted? and

2. How knowledgeable of the former religion were these people before they converted?

Conversion to a particular religion/way of life is wrong if it's based on freedom to sin anyhow, 'legalise' your greediness for sex or material wealth, to compete with others by being different, or to preserve a certain heritage. I can tell you, these are the determining factors of most literate and illiterate muslims I've met in my short journey in life. Our great-greatgrandparents lived in mud houses, but we live in a better one today. Not because there's no mud again but because there are better choices. I implore everyone to use his/her head to follow the right path.

Try Jesus today and see what God has in store for you. If you're not in Him you're missing a lot.

If you have questions or comments, mail me on damilarelr@gmail.com

Peace.

@uynada, pls do you have the knowledge of the role of Officer 3 as indicated in the letter, plus, what is the daily duration of the training and how often are the tests?

Same here. Thanks to God.

@Poster,

In determining whether to listen to any secular music, 3 factors are to be considered: the purpose of the music, the content of the music, and, the style of the music. If you're not convinced in this three areas about a particular music, just stay clear.

Here's what I read on a site concerning the content of a secular music: Philippians 4:8 is an excellent guide for musical lyrics:

“Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.”

If we should be thinking about such things, surely those are the things we should invite into our minds through music and lyrics. Can the lyrics in a secular song be true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent, and praiseworthy? If so, then there is nothing wrong with a Christian listening to a secular song of that nature.

However, much of secular music does not meet the standard of Philippians 4:8. Secular music often promotes immorality and violence while belittling purity and integrity. If a song glorifies what opposes God, a Christian should not listen to it. However, there are many secular songs with no mention of God that still uphold godly values such as honesty, purity, and integrity. If a love song promotes the sanctity of marriage and/or the purity of true love—even if it does not mention God or the Bible—it can still be listened to and enjoyed.

Whatever a person allows to occupy his mind will sooner or later determine his speech and his actions. This is the premise behind Philippians 4:8 and Colossians 3:2, 5: establishing wholesome thought patterns. Second Corinthians 10:5 says we should “take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ.” These Scriptures give a clear picture of the kind of music we should not listen to.

@truthislight, I didn't for once enjoined you in a confabulation. Must you hurl insults and abusive words to drive home your points?

Anyways, no one is compelling you, afterall man is a creature of choice..so live your life the way it pleases you and leave others alone.

truthislight:
the law was part of the covanant that he was the head, so all he did and the law were a shadow of the reality.

So, when reality comes(new covanant) all things that were a shadow all passed away.

You painted it look as if we pay tithe and offering to help God! No, God doesn't need your help, we're the one who needs His. One of the benefits of the tithe we pay is to serve as a cover or insurance over the remaining 9/10.

You can tell between a tithe-paying church and a tithe-non-paying church.. If you give your money to only offering, what makes you different from an unbeliever?

Goshen360:

As if I know exactly what is buried inside your question....Yes, you are right BUT the answer to that is also buried in Hebrews 7 because it taught tithing BEFORE the law AND tithing "according to the law".....am I right about that .......

I have gone thru Heb 7 again and again but I tell you, tithing before the law was not blotted out in any of the verses. Maybe you should read the chapter again without a tithe-abolishing sentiment.

@topic, if the church is a tithe-paying church, the pastor is also commanded to pay his tithe (Num.18:25-26). The tithe is a form of seed you sow (not out of pity like charity-giving), it must be sown into the ground where you derive spiritual nourishment (most times the local church) so that you can secure an harvest over your work or ministry.

The issue with most christians is that after planting the seed, they become idle and await automatic harvest. If you don't know how to receive from God, all your sowing will not bring any yield.

You may give 3or4/10 to charity, but your tithe which is just 1/10 comes first and it's vital to enjoy kingdom blessing.

Mind you, you must pay tithe: if you don't pay it to God you pay it to Satan!

Goshen360:

He lived before the law.......

That means Abraham wasn't practising the LAW when he paid tithe to Melchizedek, am I right?

Talk about:

Akeem Seriki - Chamillionaire

Gbenga Akinnagbe - A major actor in The Wire (Season movie)

Lemar - R'n'b star

@Goshen360, did Abraham live under the LAW or GRACE?

Toktee: Iam getting married next month,in living faith you must do the three,traditional,court before church,am still in the court process now,iz not easy

Wow..but in Living Faith, I think you can pay ahead to the church for the court certificate and it will be presented together with the church own during the church wedding.

A friend did hers recently and I really love the plan: the traditional was held on the Saturday morning of church wedding (8-10am) at a venue not far from the church, the church own was from 11am to 1am, and we all headed back to the former venue for reception from 2pm to 5pm. Mind you, the couple collected both the church and court certificates that same day.

First of all, when things go the other way, people resolve to anger but as a default choice. Though it has to do with our temparaments but still, one can choose to be angry or remain calm. As a melancholic, I take my time to think over what the other party might've said or done and then decide whether it's worth it to be angry or not. Because my bible also says that Anger is reserved for fools (Ecc. 7:9). What some people on this page call ANGER is just GETTING UPSET, true anger will make you want to do sillly things (like Moses struck the rock). May GOD help us all. By the way, I recommend SPIRIT-CONTROLLED TEMPERAMENT by TIM LAHAYE. The book will help you conquer FEAR and ANGER.

234GT: Thanks uynada. We will join you there soon.

finally. It is well.

234GT: It may or may not be true, but those who said they have not received their letters on a similar site also did medicals at divine. I am sure we have not been dropped. We can only wait for them to send the letters. That will surely take some time though, because the second batch will start training next week, and the training lasts for 6 weeks.

Six weeks time from now is Nov 26. That means the appointment letters for the third batch will be dispatched by Nov 15 (11 days to start of training). It is well. God has not forgotten us.

234GT: Ok. We will surely get there.

According to the few people I've talked to, it seems no one has been called from Divine. Could this be true?

234GT: I have sent the number to your email address.

I received your mail. The lady's number is not going through. I'll keep on trying it sha. Thanks

234GT: I did mine at divine also, and I have not gotten the offer letter. If you dont have your offer letter by now, I am sorry its third batch thingy. But at least, you know you have the job in the bag.

A lady called me on phone for the medicals but I forgot to even save the number. Please if you (or any other person on this thread) still have the phone number, kindly send it to me on damilarelr@gmail.com. I prefer to contact the employer directly. Thanks.

234GT: I did mine at divine also, and I have not gotten the offer letter. If you dont have your offer letter by now, I am sorry its third batch thingy. But at least, you know you have the job in the bag.

Okay, but I want to know whether those who got their offer letters did their medical test at Divine too and the means through which they got their own letters.

uynada: Yeah I also got ma offer now. Thank God

Please where did you do your medical test cos I did mine at Divine Medical Centre Ikoyi Lagos and I'm yet to receive my offer letter? Btw, was it sent through email or post-office or home-delivered?

toba: l guess u're Yoruba like i am but im doubting if u know in the yoruba culture how important inlaws are. we do say a proverb that 'aya buruku se ni sugbon ana buruku ko se ni' meaning its better to have a bad wife than a bad inlaw. as a couple, u cant prevent inlaws from coming over to ur home, especially mother inlaw that must visit and spend time with u when u've just given birth. that notion why must inlawd pass the night is out of it.

the man/wife in question are yoruba and muslims. he stays in 'room and palour'

l think he said they've talked it over several times, yet the wife is adamant to change her position. yet the man accommodates his inlaws. He said he'll probably get a room for his mum next time she comes visiting than allow someone kill his mum. He's considering sending her packing but an afa(islam cleric) advised him to be patient about this and call pple to intervene first.

This is very common except we want to lie to ourselves. Women are very selfish. l know someone who always give to his relatives behind his wive. ln fact, the galaxy tab im using to type right now was given to me by someone last october(2011) who told me not allow his hear about it. but why are women like that?

No wonder, I thought they're Christians. I don't like to advise non-believers on marriage issues, it'll sound foolish to their hearing. They're permitted to marry as many wives as possible for any reason whatsoever, maybe in looking for child or a male child. They believe marriage is exclusively instituted for child-bearing..of which it's just 1 out of the six purposes of marriage. But it's good that the man decided to get a room for her Mum.

I'm just a Yoruba man by natural birth, but I'm a new creation by new birth (that's why I said I'm a Christian). The mother-in-law coming is just a kind of honour to allow the woman see her grandchild, there's nothing more special about it. I will allow my mother-in-law during the period of child birth. She takes her leave soon after the christening of the baby. It's not appropriate for any of the in-laws to live with married couples without the man and woman reaching a consensus.

Talking about "one could marry a bad wife, but one should avoid having wicked in-laws", it's true only for those that are still living like a Yoruba people. That's why it is necessary that during courtship, the man and woman should both be born-again tongue-talking demon-binding believers who threaten the devil. By the time they got married in-laws will take their place and respect you for who you are. As long as it is my home, my decision stands. Let tradition stay with traditional people, if it's not in the Bible and God didn't say it, my brother let it remain undone.

I don't believe women are selfish, maybe the immature ones. Like I use to say, I'll never marry a baby irrespective of her age. Selfish women are those who still have the problem of placing more value over material things than human beings.

toba: one more story to share.
3 sundays ago, i went to my mechanic to have a fix on my car somewhere not too far from unilag 2nd gate. whilst waiting for the chap, i ran into a man who was narrating his ordeal as a married man to another married man older in age. He said his wife isnt accommodating to his family members. he said when ever any of his relatives comes home visiting, his wife is always very intolerant, but she's very tolerant of her own family members. He said his mum have had to take garri one time she came visiting cos the wife said there was no food at home. it has gotten to the extent that no family members from the man's side can pass the night in their home. this is not a fable but a real life situation in Lagos Nigeria.


l want to ask u guys what advice u can give to the troubled guy?

Hmmm..serious case. I hope the husband in question didn't marry from another tribe? If that's not the case the husband should find out where the hatred for the husband's in-laws is coming from. Both of them should discuss the reason for the partial treatment. But if the husband's family can't survive without visiting their son in Lagos, the man should make provision somewhere else for his family whenever they are in Lagos (if he's that rich) while he settles with his wife. But what are in-laws doing eating and sleeping in a married couple's home?

Personally, I won't allow any in-laws from both sides coming to my matrimonial home to pass the night, unless my wife (not yet known) and I had reached an agreement. I married my wife, and she married me, no other person should come in between. That's how God want it. I'm a Christian, she's my wife, not "our" wife like they usually say. If I tell her not to cook for you, it's my order!

In case you don't know. Commercial vehicles uses red plate numbers, Blue ones are used by Private owners. Government uses green plate numbers, and Forces use black!

So anytime you're in Lagos and you see a Red Lagos plate number, then the vehicle must be a commercial one.

Bosuntop: This fashola and A.C.N are just looking for avenue to raise fund and they make useless laws back it up.why did he not make law to prosecute non performing officials of his government.

I read it some times ago part of the new traffic law is that any political officer especially a member of the Lagos House of Assembly who has any road found unrepaired or dilapidated will bag prison years after public service..maybe 3 or 30 years.

But come to think of it, if the state claim to be fundin her road repairs and maintenance from the revenues generated from vehicle registration and traffic offences..intended commercial drivers should also contribute their own quota by registering their vehicles in Lagos number.

BTW, Laws were not made by Fashola, every law passes through the legislative arm of the government. IMO, Lagos government should focus more on the sanity and soundness of the Lagos bus drivers, that will also reduce the number of traffic law offenders. And after the assessment they should award a kind of commercial driver licence which will be cheaper and bring more sanity compared to obtaining a new plate number.

Elos Agos:


It seems you didn't get my point..

You have to renew your mind daily (esp. in His word) in order not to lose your guard

Yeah, me too. I think he misunderstood your point that because of grace we can abound in sin. But I got your message right sha.

toba: u didnt tell us if she has to be beautiful physically as well.

Honestly i share ur sentiment. Having to nurture these little girls of nowadays can be tasking and demanding. Maturity matters alot. most of these kids are not matured at.

mine must be well informed apart from being educated. l told my friend that she has to develop knowledge for current affairs as well. u must know diff countries capitals, be informed about latest technologies etc. lm a guru myself so my woman must also be half guru

Bros, she must be physically beautiful too o, but that's secondary sha. These are things that deteriorate with time, things that accident or sickness can take away. I am more interested in things that are invisible, because they are eternal. I'm also a guru.

@passion88..I think this is musKeeto's stand on not being a Christian or Muslim. Islam is a religion, Christianity is not. Christianity is the normal way of life God wants us to live, hence not a religion (afterall no religion will grant man salvation). For instance, looking at Christianity critically and the old Yoruba culture (aside idolatry), it's no different from what Bible preaches concerning a good lifestyle (the more reason why Northern muslims sees Yoruba muslims as infidels, and the reason why you can't easily distinguish between a hardened Christian and an ordinary Muslim in Yorubaland - I don't know about our Eastern brothers o, but these are the two places I've lived). At this stage one can decide not to be called either a Muslim or Christian, a Believer is more appropriate as the both former terms have been known with religion.

I have this to say to our friends who are no more virgin for one reason or the other. Don't let anyone condemn you; even God didn't condemn you. If you're a virgin when you got bornagain, stay virgin. And if you are not, avoid every forms of consequent acts. Virginity or Non-virginity avails nothing before God (provided you remain the way you are called).

"Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called." (1 Corinthians 7:18-20)

May God's grace help us to maintain our state of call.

Honestly, my wife must be mentally beautiful, spiritually pretty, intellectually loaded, and emotionally matured. No matter the age, I can't marry a baby.. I'm investing in myself now, I'm sure she's busy doing the same.

passionate88: there are some gals that are not yet born again, but because of experiences nd dissappointments in life, if they are "LUCKY" 2 settle down, they will b more obedient than some of these our so called "born-again" sisters... That's my own thoughts, u can choose 2 disagree

Yeah, so true, that's where the idea of choice comes in. God respects our choices. If a woman will be disobedient in marriage, long term courtship will surely reveal her. Btw, I'm not saying you should be born again for the sake of marriage, but for your own personal life. Seriously, you don't know what you're missing until you surrender yourself to Christ. You may indulge in self-righteousness thinking that your perceived low-sin life is okay, the truth is that God does not know you yet. Sin stings, if you're not born-again you're still a sinner.

Godspikin: For me i have some questions i would like answers to

I will prefer that married people answer this...
Question 2: As a born again christian will it be appropriate to have MouthAction with your wife or either ways. Is it a sin?

Well, I'm not married. But with my little knowledge, I want to say that the issue here is understanding. Once both of them can agree and are satisfied with the act, it's no big deal. Since they got married none has sole authority over his/her body again, and no one should deprive the other of this form of satisfaction.

My Bible reads: "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other..." (1 Corinthians 7:4-5).

Though I can't really state the position of medicine concerning the swallowing of the bodily fluids if there'll be any consequence afterwards.

More contributions please.

Godspikin: For me i have some questions i would like answers to

Question 1: I would like truly born again brothers who have a fiancee to answer this (or an honest spiritual and matured response)...
My question is simple "Do you fantasize about your fiancee in the context of marriage" dis is what i mean, do you think of her sexually, in the context of her being your wife, not now that you are still courting.
Pls note that both of you believe in and are committed to sex after marriage

Well, let me give it a try. As a Believing Christian, one should do away with such thought because as an unmarried person, it's sinful. Aside the fact that God reads our heart, thinking in that direction is a way of gratifying the desires of the flesh, that which we've been commanded to do away with in Romans 8.13.

Sin could be identified easily as soon as you lose your inner peace with God. Selah!

passionate88: As for me, I'm a student, I'm a Christian but not born again, when I do marry I won't give a damn if she's a virgin or not, divorcee or not, I wouldn't care even if she's older than me.. All that I ask is that she respect nd obey me, don't "carry" the Church on her head and she should love d gym..

Bros, you need to be born again. If you're not of God you're of the devil..a wife that has genuine respect and obedience coated with love is in God, and doesn't give such to those who are not His own.