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EarthXmetahuman:
so every men in the past and present, even in the Bible are not open minded enough to heal an amputee?

I have to say yes, I guess. Because I believe God can do anything tho, because it is so written in His word.
But remember that there are records of people crippled or deformed (some from birth) that have been healed and restored.

frowland:
Well, the verse did not say 'allow' you inserted that word. The book said 'create'. That's how you guys deceive unsuspecting members.
Besides, I have seen good men die untimely. I have seen bad men live to old age.... so whats your point?

which 'guys' deceive who?
I'm only tryin to explain stuff to u man.
You're a good person doesn't mean you won't die. But if you're a Christian and you die untimely, you're like a Lion killed by a dog. It's as a result of ur own ignorance. And as for bad people living long, yes, it happens given that nobody executes the jugdement written for them.

frowland:
That's the story you were told by your great-great ..... .........grand dads from the Middle East 2k year ago! Nothing to document, video, snap draw the events etc etc (Oduduwa, the great yoruba ancestor came down from Heaven with chicken sand etc etc) did you believe that also or you choose to believe the one from the Arab world..
Look why have God not divided the RED sea since or repeated those similer episodes written down 4k years ago? Its was just written and you have no choice to believe. Not that I doubt what you believe in though as I feel you have the right to think the way you do (That's what I think makes us humans afterall).

Why would He even divide the red sea again? There are ships now that can take people to and fro.
I have a choice: to believe or not to believe. I choose to believe because the Word has life. Unlike words from other religions.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 45 :7 says differently, and Lamentation 3:38 also... Nothing happens outside the will of God.. And the devil is not a dual opposite of God. He only does what God tells him to do...

Satan doesn't do what God tells him to do.
That's why he's called 'rebellious' dude.
Nothing happens outside the will of God-true. But did you know God's will is His word?! And satan is also familiar with and believes the word as well. So satan can easily use the word against anyone who is not grounded in understanding and light.

frowland:
Seriously you did not make any sense.

God can allow evil and calamity upon those who are evil. Not upon his own! That's what that scripture is implying. I will make peace for my people and create evil for their enemies.

frowland:
Pff! Thats what they say when they have nothing else to say.

Lol, I had a feeling you'd say this.
Trust me! There's alot I have to say. Just don't have that much time to burn now. And my battery is even low now sef.

frowland:
How?

How can I explain this to you now?! Have you seen Jesus, his bones or corpse or anything of that sort?

frowland:
Seriously you did not make any sense.

That's because you're still operating with 'common sense'.

NPComplete:
Few, you say? I laugh at your dishonesty.
It is more likely for you to see a church advertising fake miracles and the words of their self-aggrandizing pastors than for you to see a real one.
Even the pastors feigning humility is just using it as a ruse to trap the morons that make up the bulk of Christian worshippers.

Your comments just point to the fact that you're concluding on all Christians based on what you've witnessed in a certain congregations.
I mean, who told you all Christians are dummies and morons now. Infact, you that claim to have sense so much now, why are you not competing with Femi Otedola in terms of wealth and all...?! :/

EarthXmetahuman:
Because you expect power of God to be beyond mere probability.


All powerful god that cannot make amputee walk but someone not permanently cripple.
Even power of science with its limits erases all doubts, except the so called power of all powerful god.

God will not come down Himself. Men are required to provoke miracles here on earth. So, if a man is not believing or open-minded enough that God can replace his amputated arm or leg, God will not. In the book of Philemon 1:14 He says, 'without thy mind, I would do nothing.'

Omooba224:
I still can't fathom why some people keep reasoning with their mouth rather than their God-given brain. Evidencial Miracle you said? I have never seen any miracle with my 2 naked eyes oo. I don't buy the idea of an hearsay. Miracle like an amputee having a new pair of legs? Traveling from Maiduguri to Lagos without fuel? Please stop trying to play with our intelligence biko. Abeg you

'An amputee receiving a new leg'-who said God can't do it?!
'With God, all things are possible.' ... We limit God in our own minds and hearts. People believe God can heal them of a headache, but don't believe God can make em a multi-billionaire. It's a mentality thing.
And, someone has comfortably cooked with confirmed fuel unknowingly and came to testify. 'There's nothing too hard that God cannot do, if only we humans can be that open minded and believing enough.

NPComplete:
The reason why people deny the power of God is that religion, Christianity, Islam, etc.., who claim to possess the knowledge and power of God have given us nothing other than outright fabrication and irreplicable miracles.

Modern Christianity for instance is filled with liars, thieves and self-promoting assholes and charlatans that call themselves pastors. Their best miracles are cheap tricks like shaving the head of homeless people and calling it a cure for madness. Or unverifiable testimonies like driving on an empty tank from Lagos to Abuja. Nothing concrete. Just lies.


Everything that God has created is sure and verifiable and replicable. Everything that God supports is measurable and stands the test of time. In science, the tool that God has given us to improve ourselves, results are verifiable. When you cure a sick man with science there is an 80% chance u will cure anyone plagued with a similar ailment.

But in religion a pastor can only "cure" people in controlled environments like his church and usually it is less than 1% of the people with the ailment. There is no way that cure can be verified because the people "cured" are never heard from again. Nobody knows them. Not even the church members. Besides that they cannot replicate the healing in verified places like hospitals. That is why all the mad men you know are still mad. All the blind men you know are still blind and all the deaf people you know are still deaf.

So long as the definition of the power of God is the moronic expressions of fake miracles and speaking in tongues, people will continue to deny it. And the numbers of such people will only continue to grow. Modern Christianity is devoid of anything that can be remotely called the power of God. Its only filled with showboating pastors speaking so much drivel with as much bombast. And their junkie follows with less scruples than a shady fox who somehow think that claiming to be a Christian is a bragging right and makes them feel special.

Don't judge the entire mordern Christian entity based on the your take on few congregations and pastors/prophets.

frowland:
Perhaps I need to! .... But I do know there is a superior being somewhere. As a scientist I am leaning to the fact that we are all 2D entities in a 3D universe. Meaning, we are all codes (Computer word). A little study of the black hole will shed light on this. But if there is a superior being controlling our existence in one way or another? Absolutely!

I like science, I really do. Infact I love science. But my only problem is that every question only results to a question.
So, I appreciate science, acquire the knowledge, but resolute based on God's word alone.

hopefulLandlord:
One single question, what "miracle(s)" can ONLY happen to a Christian that can't possibly happen to other religious people or even atheists?

Resurrection.

hopefulLandlord:
[b]"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." [b]

Isaiah 45:7

Read from 1-7 bro and understand the text proper... There are two sides to that scripture.
'I form the light' (for my own), 'and create darkness' (for the evil): 'I make peace' (for my own), 'and create evil' (for the evil).
Understanding is key!

frowland:
I never knew there is a verse in the bible with this quotes. Maybe my lesson teacher is being tricky! How can this be in the scripture and he refuse to talk about it? Strange

Maybe you need a change of teacher perhaps!

PrecisionFx:
Personally how?

Which type or miracle r u talking about?

Any kind...
Have you ever been where miracles happen and someone-lets say-sitting next to you or around you, who you confirm was ill, or someone who went with you and you know his or her case personally suddenly gets healed?!

PrecisionFx:
Lmao.


Ur confusing ur self....

Am not confusing, myself. Am just saying stuff you can't really understand, nor comprehend.
Buhari is president of all Nigeria, but he's not your Father now is he? There are privileges his son who was driving power bike the other day (whose name I can't remember) has that you can never have.

realmindz:
Up till now I still shout Jesus when I'm shocked...doeso it mean I still believe in that dead jew?

If He's dead, prove it. Show us a body, a carcass, some bones, or even a burial chamber he resides.

hopefulLandlord:
There were times in the past I shout Jesus when cumming, I must believe in Jesus too

Belief in Jesus is not shown in shouting the name of Jesus. Anybody can say the name, but it won't work for everybody. Besides, there are others who bear the same name, like the brazil striker and the spanish international, so maybe it's them u believe in.

realmindz:
they even said his name makes every knee bow and saves in times of trouble.

Then I wonder because I can say that over 90% of people scream the name of their gods before they die.

Those who screamed Jesus or Allah before Plane Crash or auto accidents were never saved

Ordinarily screaming the name 'Jesus' cannot produce anything. It is envoking it with understanding.
If you look at the way some persons portray Christianity, you'll regret; infact you'll hate it the more.

PrecisionFx:
The Christian miracles have no evidence. That's why.

Have you ever actually witnessed a 'miracle' personally?

PrecisionFx:
Everybody are just God's creations.

He's God to everybody. But not Father to everybody. He created everybody, but did not bless everybody.

hopefulLandlord:
This one is your own cup of coffee bro, stop projecting your insecurities on atheists by telling them what they'll think in certain situations

I talk based on what I've seen and heard.

Pataricatering:
the journey to atheism is usually a lengthy , critical process that usually takes years ! Atheists usually go back and forth , research , ask questions , doubt themselves, doubt their religions , eveakuate and re-evaluate information till they finally arrive at unbelief ! By the time you reach unbelief u are usually very sure religion is nonsense and God is a cock and bull story ! Now , you get the unbelievers still saying things like thank God etc - all part of a learned vocabulary which some people mistake as a residual belief in God !

You end up in unbelief because you had no encounter in the first place. When you truly have an encounter with Jesus, I see no reason why anyone would want to throw that away.

Pataricatering:
have you met one on his death - bed ?

No

Pataricatering:
were you ever an atheist or not ? Don’t confuse the discussion ! If you were - state it clearly !

I was. And now I see how stupid I was then.

NsikakEssiet:
So who kills his own? Devil? Or u want to tell me Gods people don't die?

Everybody's gonna die (physically) eventually, even God's children. But a child of God that dies untimely was simply ignorant.

realmindz:
So if you have five children whom you claim you love.
Then 2 were rebellious, is it not wise to be godly and kill the two of them...or even more godly if you can do like Yahweh, tell the other three to kill the two of them

Who said everybody is God's child? Some are just His creations.

realmindz:
Let's start by asking,

No of people satan killed in the Bible Vs god

Yes, it's true that God kills ... But He doesn't kill his own. Only those who have decided to be rebellous and evil.

Pataricatering:
lol ! A lot of believers say things like this - have you been at the death bed of an atheist ? You probably don’t even know any atheist!

Trust me, I do know and have met atheists.

realmindz:
And I give it to you that people can believe in anything in times of helplessness...The mind is weak and needs a shoulder just to cry on.. Then take them to church and play emotional songs for them, give them hope that they have an imaginary friend who cares and loves them dearly

Trust me, I don't have a weak mind. And am not a dummy/brainwashed follower as well.