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Luke 18:20 says, "You know the commandments: 'You shall not commit adultery; You shall not murder; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honour your father and mother'".

seems those name he gave to his father or maker are stated in Qur'an

This man need to be checked, why not produced your own book and name your father the maker those name you felt he should be called... Imagine destroying the bible because Jesus was not called tetuila abi what did he call it self....
He should have done well putting Tony Infront of the tetuila oo

DOptical:
I can't even waste my time on a stupid brain who can't understand cosmos creations and the human kings.

Obatala and Oduduwa are cosmos creation Orishas which formed the universe. Oduduwa represent the black space/earth/matter while Obatala represent the light that shines into space. The Yoruba are living on earth thus are always called Omo Oduduwa by Ifa, aside Ifa calling the Yoruba the omoluabi (children of God), Adulawo (the beautiful black skin).. As a matter of fact, the first human on earth was a black man who's the progenitor of other humans.

Meanwhile, the Yoruba humans who were named Obatala and the Oduduwa of Oke Ora were picked by Ifa to become kings of Ife thereby depicting the Cosmos creation Orishas of the universe.

If your brain can't understand this, then go knock it on the rock.

It's not the issue of me not understanding, it just that you are saying rubbish
Are you trying to say, Obatala and Oduduwa
we're orisha before their human form became kings in ife?

Konquest:
These Web sources below will give you more insights about the use of "Amin Ohun" or Tonal Marks in the Yoruba language.

"Learning of Yoruba Tone Marks" video of 21 minutes can also be found on YouTube in the English language via a simple YouTube and/or Google search.


=>https://alawiiyeyoruba.com/importance-of-tone-marks-in-yoruba/

=>https://www.yorubalibrary.com/services/amin_ede_yoruba_service.html

=>http://www.yorubaintonation.somee.com/

I know the Yoruba tone marks well enough, so not just learning

Konquest:
The Ado in "Orun Oba Ado" is NOT the same as the Ado in other parts of Yorubaland which means "settlements."

Google Orun Oba Ado and you will see the several pictures of the place where the heads of past Oba's of Benin were symbolically buried over the centuries until 1884.

It's just like the word OGUN or OKO which can have multiple meanings and pronunciations depending on the diacritical marks used in the words.

Ogun mean war or battle on Yoruba. You have Olori Ogun meaning Head or War leader.

Ogun can also mean medicine (which the Igalas who are a Yoruboid people and language spell as Ogwu).

Ogun is the Yoruba deity or God of war.

Oko means farm.
Oko means husband.
Oko mean penis.
Oko means car (or vehicle)
Oko mean hoe.



Also, to answer another question of yours, yes Benin was not part of Yorubaland but was an independent kingdom but they maintained ancestral ties especially via the Royal Palace with Ife. Most kingdoms too in Yorubaland operated as confederate states (under the vast Oyo Empire and extended from Nigeria to modern Togo) or were independent.

But it will interest you that Benin had battles with the kingdom on Agbor and I think Isele Uku back in time despite being closely related.

Parts of Yorubas also fought a deadly Civil War and other battles with alliances being made by one kingdom with the other because of internal power struggles and the desire to be free from the Oyo Empire and the Ibadan Empire by the Ekitis and Ijesas led by Balogun (or General) Ogedengbe Agbogunboro in the Kiriji Wars against Ibadan.

Yes, but Benin own is different, all this ones you stated are because of disputes between them
For binin according to your history (which I really don't believe) is invasion and not war

Konquest:
The Ado in "Orun Oba Ado" is NOT the same as the Ado in other parts of Yorubaland which means "settlements."

Google Orun Oba Ado and you will see the several pictures of the place where the heads of past Oba's of Benin were symbolically buried over the centuries until 1884.

It's just like the word OGUN or OKO which can have multiple meanings and pronunciations depending on the diacritical marks used in the words.

Ogun mean war or battle on Yoruba. You have Olori Ogun meaning Head or War leader.

Ogun can also mean medicine (which the Igalas who are a Yoruboid people and language spell as Ogwu).

Ogun is the Yoruba deity or God of war.

Oko means farm.
Oko means husband.
Oko mean penis.
Oko means car (or vehicle)
Oko mean hoe.



Also, to answer another question of yours, yes Benin was not part of Yorubaland but was an independent kingdom but they maintained ancestral ties especially via the Royal Palace with Ife. Most kingdoms too in Yorubaland operated as confederate states (under the vast Oyo Empire and extended from Nigeria to modern Togo) or were independent.

But it will interest you that Benin had battles with the kingdom on Agbor and I think Isele Uku back in time despite being closely related.

Parts of Yorubas also fought a deadly Civil War and other battles with alliances being made by one kingdom with the other because of internal power struggles and the desire to be free from the Oyo Empire and the Ibadan Empire by the Ekitis and Ijesas led by Balogun (or General) Ogedengbe Agbogunboro in the Kiriji Wars against Ibadan.

Well, they are actually different Yoruba words, because Yoruba writes with signs on their vowels to differentiate words
So what are the signs on the ado that differentiate them from that of the orun oba ado

seunayantokun:
Those people can sort themselves out. I just hope you won't make it a matter for your personal grinding.

Likewise bro

Konquest:
Actually "Ado" is the Yoruba word for settlement. Ado Ekiti means "Settlement on or near a Hill." You have Oke Ado area of Ibadan, Ado Odo/Ota, Ado Ekiti, etc. Ekiti and Okiti for instance are dialectic variants of the same word for Hill. Okitipupa in Ondo State has Okiti as a prefix. Ekiti folks call theirs without the first letter O.


Oke Ado in Ibadan:
=>https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/travels/258893-travel-navigating-ibadan-early-epicentre-oke-ado.html


Because "Odo" in Ado-Odo area of Ogun State means river, while "Ado" means settlement or "we settled," therefore, Ado-Odo, means "we settled by the riverbank."

I actually read years back in the early 1990s in an article that Ado-Ekiti was used as a military camp by the Benin soldiers sometime around the early 1800s when Benin army with their allies from Esan and Ikere led by the Ogoga of Ikere invaded some Eastern Yoruba communities. (Read up more on the Akure-Benin War on Wikipedia or elsewhere online).

Akure, Ikere-Ekiti, parts of Ado-Ekiti, Aramoko-Ekiti, Igede-Ekiti, etc, also came under fierce invasion by the Benin army and the indigenous warriors of these communities especially of Ado Ekiti and Akure fought bravely. These areas did have Benin influences though in terms of trade and settlement. There were also large Yoruba trading settlements in the Benin kingdom just like Benin trading settlements existed in Yorubaland.

Akure has the quarters called "Akure Ado" which is where those who came from Edo (Benin) settled after the Benin invasion before and after the Benin invasion of Akure on 1818. The Ado Akure are Yorubanized and have Yoruba names though, but they still have their family houses in Benin and intermarried with the indigenous Akure people after the Benin invasion of Akure in the early 1800s (1818 to be precise like I earlier stated).

So with all this ados that is in Yoruba land why translating the ado in orun oba ado to be Edo and infact during those period it's Benin kingdom and not Edo
So if it's through that the orun is for Benin kings, it would have been orun oba benin and not orun oba Ado that you turned erroneously to edo

seunayantokun:
Fallacy. That someone currently occupies a royal stool doesn't make them an authority in its history. Thank God the present Ọọ̀ni has a humble spirit and is growing in knowledge. So, you're still on your own, please.

Just as the Benin chiefs that were suspended for not knowing the history

Konquest:
Actually "Ado" is the Yoruba word for settlement. Ado Ekiti means "Settlement on a Hill." You have Oke Ado area of Ibadan, Ado Odo/Ota, Ado Ekiti, etc. Ekiti and Okiti are dialectic variants of the same word for Hill.
Okitipipa has Okiti as a precursor. Ekiti folks called theirs without the first letter O.

Because "Odo" in Ado-Odo area of Ogun State means river, while "Ado" means settlement or "we settled," therefore, Ado-Odo, means "we settled by the riverbank."

I actually read years back in the early 1990s in an article that Ado-Ekiti was used as a military camp by the Benin soldiers sometime around the early 1800s when Benin army with their allies from Esan and Ikere led by the Ogoga of Ikere invaded some Eastern Yoruba communities. Read up more on Akure-Benin War on Wikipedia or elsewhere online.

Akure, Ikere-Ekiti, parts of Ado-Ekiti, Aramoko-Ekiti, Igede-Ekiti, etc, also came under fierce invasion by the Benin army and the indigenous warriors of these communities especially of Ado Ekiti and Akure fought bravely. These areas did have Benin influences though in terms of trade and settlement. There were also large Yoruba trading settlements in the Benin kingdom just like Benin trading settlements existed in Yorubaland.

Akure has the quarters called "Akure Ado" which is where those who came from Edo (Benin) settled after the Benin invasion before and after the Benin invasion of Akure on 1818. The Ado Akure are Yorubanized and have Yoruba names though, but they still have their family houses in Benin and intermarried with the indigenous Akure people after the Benin invasion of Akure in the early 1800s (1818 to be precise like I earlier stated).

Now you are coming around, at least in this history given above, you acknowledged the influence of the Benin kingdom and shows how mighty she was, cos for her to have significant influence in those Yoruba area mentioned, then it a really mighty kingdom.
Now, if Benin kingdom was part of Yoruba, why will they have invaded Yoruba land and have influence of such magnitude

seunayantokun:
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Your mind which goes after unfounded tales cannot dictate our truths. Good thing is you can only hope and opine in your private room. So, you are on your own. Thank you; now you can to sleep.

Smiles, seems you claim to know more than the people and ooni in the palace now

DOptical:
Ode, you're the one saying rubbish. Meanwhile, You keep forgetting the fact that Obatala and Oduduwa are also Orisha cosmos. Oduduwa is the Orisha of earth while Obatala is the Orisha of light (king of light). Yoruba are living on the Earth, thus Oduduwa is the father of all Yorubas who are referred to as the Omoluabi which means the children of God.

If Oduduwa is the father of all Yoruba, Obatala is father to who?
In your earlier statement, you said Oduduwa became king after Obatala, and even dresses like Obatala....
If Oduduwa was king of the Yoruba because they are on earth, so when Obatala was king over them, were they living in the sky?

As in you are saying rubbish, just accept

Konquest:
Did you read my post well to understand?
I took time off to clearly explain this to you because you tagged me and didn't pass insults which is how things should be... That is the way to exchange intellectual ideas


I will explain again here with more examples.

The Oke Ora origin of Oduduwa is a well-known FACT for centuries now and it is NOT a new knowledge and this is why every Ooni who is about to be crowned for centuries now has to go to Oke Ora which is 8 kilometres away from Ile Ife (Ufe) as part of the coronation rites.

Oke means "hill or hills" in Yoruba language and Ora is the names of a Yoruba deity.

So, the descent of Oduduwa from his original home in Oke Ora is depicted in the Ifa religious rites as an allegory of Oduduwa coming from the "sky." So, Oke or Hill is represented allegorically as a Sky.

The Mecca or Egypt story is NOT recognized even in Ife (Ufe). It is the Islamic or Muslim attempt or fabrication to explain Oduduwa's origin that led to that nonsense Mecca story. That history is not recognized at all by Ife indigenes and other Yoruba kingdoms that have links with the Oduduwa Dynasty.

There are top secrets that exist between Ife and other Yoruba or Yoruba-associated kingdoms such as Benin kingdom that the average people don't know. How many people knew that every 3rd Oba of Benin had his head brought to Ife for burial at a place called Orun Oba Ado until it was stopped in the late 1890s?
Orun Oba Ado in Yoruba means (the Heaven of Oba of Benin grove).

The Orun Oba Ado grove burial in Ife signifies the burial of the head in the paternal lineage in Ife while the rest of the body of the Oba of Benin was buried in Benin kingdom because the maternal lineage of the Obaship Dynasty is from Benin (Egor). These things were done top secret and this is why a lot of people were surprised to read about it.

In any event, let us leave those two Palaces of Ife and Benin because they are related ancestrally as family members and they know what they are doing in secret. The Ooni of Ife even said in that video of the visit of the Benin Royal Palace high chiefs that he is always in constant touch by phone with the Oba of Benin and spoke to him the day before.

One thing I like that Prof. Banji Akintoye the great historian stated in an interview a few years ago is that even though the Oba of Benin has a Yoruba paternal lineage from Ife (Ufe), his maternal lineages is Benin and that the Oba is a Benin man ruling over Benin kingdom.

The British Royal family ruling presently is descended from King George I who is a German. He couldn't even speak English language when he came from Germany to become the King of Britain and Elector of Hanover in the year 1714, just 310 years ago.

=>https://www.dw.com/en/how-german-are-the-british-royals/

=>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_I_of_Great_Britain

But if ado in orun oba ado is translated to mean Edo, I think ado in ado-ekiti should mean edo-ekiti, just asking though.
But do you know that there is ado kingdom in the time past, and that is said to be in Ogun state

Ado-Odo is located in modern-day Ogun State in the southwestern part of Nigeria.
You can check it out
So that you won't mistook it for Benin

seunayantokun:
You're free to move away from cooking up things from imaginations, so use your liberty well. Our own Odùduwà didn't drop from anywhere. He was a normal hunan being who had parents: born and brought up by Ọ̀ra family in Ufẹ̀ (Ifẹ̀).

Go to that same Ife palace and try explaining that to them first, when you've done that , then we can talk

Konquest:
Oke Ora is located within Osun State not far from Ife (Ufe), that is 8 kilometres (5 miles) EAST of Ife (Ufe) and there were other settlements in what is now Yorubaland before Oduduwa was even born and he originally came from Oke Ora. There were people in Ife before the rise of the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife and Ife had 2 other dynasties before the Oduduwa dynasty. The presence of Obatala as a traditional ruler in what is now Ife is just one of the evidence that shows that the Obaship or kingship system existed long before Oduduwa came from Oke Ora, and he continued the Obaship tradition.

=>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oke_Ora

I must add that the descent of Oduduwa from his place of origin in Oke Ora in Osun State is mythologized as the descent from the sky. Everyone in Ife and outside Ife knows it's NOT to be interpreted as a literal descent from the sky but it's just a religious deification or allegory of the arrival of Oduduwa from Oke Ora to Ife and this is why every new Oba (Ooni of Ife) has to go to Oke Ora as part of the traditional rites of coronation.

=>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oke_Ora


Heck, even the Ogiso (now Ogiamien) family CLEARLY stated in this 2018 Guardian article below that Oduduwa was NOT from Igodomigo as being claimed of recent by the Benin Royal Palace but was of pure Yoruba descent from Ife alongside Oranmiyan who had a child called Owomika (Eweka) by a woman from Egor.

=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

😀, Yoruba are just coming up with different versions of where Oduduwa comes from just to cover the fact that he comes from another kingdom,
* they say he was the one that creat the world after obatala was sent to the do so but drank palm wine on the way
*They also said he came from mecca or Egypt
*Now they are claiming he is from oke ora..
This inconsistency in history really shows Yoruba really don't now much about where Oduduwa comes from, they are just cooking up stories to sooth themselves

DOptical:
Ode, you can't understand a thing. There are Orisha cosmos and there are Orisha the humans. Obatala and Oduduwa are cosmos, just as they were also humans.

In fact, prior to Oduduwa of Oke Ora becoming the King of Ife, Yoruba were called the children of Oduduwa by Ifa, hence why Oduduwa of Oke ora was bearing Oduduwa even before Ifa picked him as a King. Ifa calls the Yoruba the Omo Odua (the children of the earth/black matter), the Omoluabi (the children of God), Adulawo (the beautiful black skin) etc

I applaud your your unwavering seriousness in saying rubbish, thanks so much

seunayantokun:
History is based on true events that took place. Myths are not? Go read my first response to you again. Full stop. Thank you.

I guess Oduduwa been a Yoruba from oke ora can be taken as myth and not the true history, thanks bro.

DOptical:
Ode, you're the one saying rubbish. Meanwhile, You keep forgetting the fact that Obatala and Oduduwa are also Orisha cosmos. Oduduwa is the Orisha of earth while Obatala is the Orisha of light (king of light). Yoruba are living on the Earth, thus Oduduwa is the father of all Yorubas who are referred to as the Omoluabi which means the children of God.

Pls who became the king first, obatala or Oduduwa, and the king of earth was in oke ora when the king of light was ruling his people and it takes ifa, another orisa to chose the king of earth to succeed king of light that both are also in the orisa cosmos,
Can you see you are saying rubbish

seunayantokun:
My friend, history is different from myth. You want to get some falsehood to hold on to so that you can perpetuate a self-serving untruth? No, you won't get that from us. What I have stated is history. Go and do further study on that. Thank you.

😀,are you saying what is showcased in the palace is just myth and not the true history?, wonderful

seunayantokun:
So, you are still listening to that story? Odùduwà was a normal human and so couldn't have descended from any heaven. He was a prince of Ufẹ̀ (Ifẹ̀) who later became king of Ifẹ̀. Before him, many kings who were not from the line of Ọ̀ra Ifẹ̀ family where Odùduwà came from had reigned in Ifẹ̀ and used different titles like Ọwá, Olúfẹ̀, etc. Also, the current Ifẹ̀ is about the third phase of Ifẹ̀. If you care to know, not all original Yorùbá obas were descendants of Odùduwà because the latter was not the first king of Ifẹ̀ as earlier noted but all Yorùbá people trace their origin to Ifẹ̀. Though his dispensation seems the last, Odùduwà became somewhat more popular and some people began to weave strange tales around him.

All said and done, the Benin Ọba, as their current king has rightly stated, descended from Òrànmíyàn who was a descendant of Odùduwà. Furthermore, linguistic affinity the Binis share with the Yorùbá people, to the extent that some of them answer Yorùbá names, should be one of the reasons which should help them to shove ethnic chauvinism aside and honestly research and report their history.

I guess you should visit ooni's palace and get the proper history, even in ife there is still a park name Oduduwa afewonro park right in front of the palace, with the statue of Oduduwa

DOptical:
Ode, your brain could see that Obatala and his descendants were ruling Ife, yet your stupid self was asking if Oke ora was existing? You dey mad?

Oke Ora was existing alongside Ife. It's even in Ife sef. It was the fact that No one expected anyone else except Obatala descendants ruling Ife until Ifa also picked another Yoruba man named Oduduwa from Oke Ora to become the king thereby depicting the Orisha Obatala and Orisha Oduduwa of the sphere which formed the universe.

You are saying rubbish, but no probs
So how does Oduduwa now becomes the father of Yoruba and not Obatala or his descendants

Pls someone should even check the pictures of the said Oduduwa, how can that be a Yoruba man with his regalia

Pls someone should even check the pictures of the said Oduduwa, how can that be a Yoruba man we his attires

DOptical:
Ode, Oduduwa didn't bring any crown. He was from Oke Ora. He was picked by Ifa to become the king after several centuries years of Obatala descendants thus depicting the Orisha Obatala and Oduduwa which are the two halves which formed the universe.

See this ode, are you saying oke ora has been in existence before Oduduwa came to Ife?, when history stated that it is the grand sons of Oduduwa that founded other Yoruba empire?
Or maybe oke ora wasn't a Yoruba land at that time😀😀

DOptical:
Ode. Obatala was a king and an Orisha. Sink that into your brain first. Instead of constantly writing gibberish.

If obatala was a king before Oduduwa, which crown was he wearing and why is the crown brought by Oduduwa became the major crown of the ooni of Ife?

Olu317:
Yorubas of Ileife colonise Igodomigodo tradtitionally,linguistically, metallurgically etc to civilize your Idu descendants 😀😀😀

1) Traditionallly,in such a way, that orunmila , olokun,ogun, etc are venerated and learned by Igodomigodo descendants

2) Linguistically that Idu Igodomigodo language adopted Yoruba loanwords into her diction tha such connection has become known as A learner Igodomigodo people's language and Yoruba teacher's language

3) Metalurgically acceptance of the knowledge of Ogu/Ogún (god of iron,hunting etc) , whom the knowledge is enshrined in ifaodu as the source cum god of iron.

Try and visit your kings palace to get the true story of how Oduduwa came to Ife, all this that you are saying are just mere formulations

DOptical:
Even a fool knows the word Oba is Yoruba! You dey craze?

Let me even indulge your stupidity, you don't know about Obatala?

Ōbà-tálá, not ōbā-tálá. That there is a word Oba in one tribe does not mean it can't be in another

FxMasterz:
The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of bein is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

You better don't let this get to ooni of ife's palace😀😀

Olu317:
Yes Odudua is ayoruba man,even according to Bini historical dictionary

😀😀, now I know , you don't know Yoruba history

Infact check the whole oba in Yoruba land, ooni dresses differently from other Yoruba kings, which could literally means there is kinda influence from outside culture, and the closest is Benin.
If the not other kings in Yoruba land should have been dressing as the ooni

[quote author=Danand1 post=129678914][/quote]The thing is that, before there is any recorded event that brought about the relationship between Benin and Ife, the two kingdoms were in existence

Heads of Benin kings were never and will never be buried in ife

santaclaws:
Yea, there was nothing like "Yoruba land" but we all knew ourselves as "Omo Oduduwa" and we all spoke the same language. The major kingdom in Yoruba land was the Oyo kingdom and Ile Ife was more of our ancestral home.

I know my history, but you seem not to know yours well, partly because it's been laced with false narratives by your ancestral rulers. All the same, you're free to believe what you want.
Adios ✌🏾

😀,do you even know your's?
Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man to even start with?