HBB1:



Agree with what points?
You are not making sense.

You believe something that cannot be proven.
You know what is proven.

About the Ife Kingdom, you need to read about it.
It was actually a empire and was notable in the 1200s AD.
Thinking small Ile-Ife was the whole of the Ife empire is laughable!

In all, this your analogy does not make sense.
So because Oyo empire was way larger than Ife, means Ife could not have birthed it?

Come on man!

Read, think, think!

what I am saying is this there is no way ife could have given Benin a king, when ife never had a real monarchy, in ancient ife kings were being over thrown like military govt style, individuals from different households at one time or the other ruled ife, oranmiyan was a Benin prince who at one time ruled ife, and oranmiyan was the father of eweka, even your Yoruba history documents this fact too now tell me is eweka a Yoruba name, if oranmiyan was a Yoruba man why did he name his son a Benin name, and how could an ife who never had a monarchy and ife where power was being seized by individuals like in the military govt had given Benin a monarchy? Go read ife history power was being seized by anyone powerful enough to seize it.

Shattuck:
what I am saying is this there is no way ife could have given Benin a king, when ife never had a real monarchy, in ancient ife kings were being over thrown like military govt style, individuals from different households at one time or the other ruled ife, oranmiyan was a Benin prince who at one time ruled ife, and oranmiyan was the father of eweka, even your Yoruba history documents this fact too now tell me is eweka a Yoruba name, if oranmiyan was a Yoruba man why did he name his son a Benin name, and how could an ife who never had a monarchy and ife where power was being seized by individuals like in the military govt had given Benin a monarchy? Go read ife history power was being seized by anyone powerful enough to seize it.

This wotowoto you are giving Dem go make their tears full bucket oo

Danand1:
Infact check the whole oba in Yoruba land, ooni dresses differently from other Yoruba kings, which could literally means there is kinda influence from outside culture, and the closest is Benin.
If the not other kings in Yoruba land should have been dressing as the ooni

The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of Benin is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

Olu317:
Yes Odudua is ayoruba man,even according to Bini historical dictionary

😀😀, now I know , you don't know Yoruba history

Oba of bini has no right to even suspend them because everyone has a right to talk about his history to begin with. Abi na craze dey worry am? Like, who does that? Na craze dey worry am? He's actually scared because these chiefs are now talking about their Yoruba history when he thought he was the only one who's a Yoruba thus was constantly saying gibberish while expecting the Yoruba to constantly overlook his constant gibberish since he's a Yoruba. Lol. That was how he wanted to be saying gibberish about the Itsekiri/Jekri. Anyway, he now knows that he's not the only one who's a Yoruba descendant. The ogiso of igodomido (a Yoruba name) were also Yoruba descendants and can even take back their throne from him. Do anyhow and see any how!

Shattuck:
what I am saying is this there is no way ife could have given Benin a king, when ife never had a real monarchy, in ancient ife kings were being over thrown like military govt style, individuals from different households at one time or the other ruled ife, oranmiyan was a Benin prince who at one time ruled ife, and oranmiyan was the father of eweka, even your Yoruba history documents this fact too now tell me is eweka a Yoruba name, if oranmiyan was a Yoruba man why did he name his son a Benin name, and how could an ife who never had a monarchy and ife where power was being seized by individuals like in the military govt had given Benin a monarchy? Go read ife history power was being seized by anyone powerful enough to seize it.

You are not making sense.
Who says Ife didn't have a Mornachy?

You keep shifting goal posts.
Who were the kings that were being overthrown?
Name them.

Ornamiyan had a child in Benin, called Owomika ( my hand can control it) who was also known as Eweka.
He left him there and went on to found other kingdoms.

As I said earlier, you are not making sense

Shattuck:
what does oba mean in Yoruba language, if oba truly represents king how come non of your ancient kingship bears the title of oba, if ife is the ancestral home as you claim and ooni is the title of the ruler of ife, why did the ooni not name the the benin king as the ooni of Benin? How come no other ancient kingdom in Yorubaland bears oba, except lagos which was founded by the Benin kingdom which the oba of lagos claim his descendants are from Benin, the Benin kingdom is one of the oldest civilization and according to history a Benin prince left the Benin kingdom to ife the same prince sent one of his son's to return to Benin and become the king after his father's demise, not that the Yoruba established kingship in Benin, btw the oba is not an original yoruba word it is a borrowed word probably inspired by the Benin kingdom, because if it means king originally the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, soun of Ogbomosho would have been referred to as oba of ife, oba of oyo, and Ogbomosho respectively.

Asking what does Oba mean in Yoruba is akin to asking what does king mean in English.
Anyway, Oba in Yoruba means king and their titles are as follows:

Ile-Ife - Ooni
Oyo - Alaafin
Ijebu - Awujale
Ibadan - Olubadan
Eko - Eleko
Bini - Omo N'Oba
Etc.

Shattuck:
what does oba mean in Yoruba language, if oba truly represents king how come non of your ancient kingship bears the title of oba, if ife is the ancestral home as you claim and ooni is the title of the ruler of ife, why did the ooni not name the the benin king as the ooni of Benin? How come no other ancient kingdom in Yorubaland bears oba, except lagos which was founded by the Benin kingdom which the oba of lagos claim his descendants are from Benin, the Benin kingdom is one of the oldest civilization and according to history a Benin prince left the Benin kingdom to ife the same prince sent one of his son's to return to Benin and become the king after his father's demise, not that the Yoruba established kingship in Benin, btw the oba is not an original yoruba word it is a borrowed word probably inspired by the Benin kingdom, because if it means king originally the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, soun of Ogbomosho would have been referred to as oba of ife, oba of oyo, and Ogbomosho respectively.

Even a fool knows the word Oba is Yoruba! You dey craze?

Let me even indulge your stupidity, you don't know about Obatala?

FxMasterz:


The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of bein is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

You better don't let this get to ooni of ife's palace😀😀

Danand1:

😀😀, now I know , you don't know Yoruba history

Yorubas of Ileife colonise Igodomigodo tradtitionally,linguistically, metallurgically etc to civilize your Idu descendants 😀😀😀

1) Traditionallly,in such a way, that orunmila , olokun,ogun, etc are venerated and learned by Igodomigodo descendants

2) Linguistically that Idu Igodomigodo language adopted Yoruba loanwords into her diction tha such connection has become known as A learner Igodomigodo people's language and Yoruba teacher's language

3) Metalurgically acceptance of the knowledge of Ogu/Ogún (god of iron,hunting etc) , whom the knowledge is enshrined in ifaodu as the source cum god of iron.

Danand1:

😀,do you even know your's?
Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man to even start with?

Ok, we are all Benin. Satisfied? 🥴

Danand1:

You better don't let this get to ooni of ife's palace😀😀

He knows it for real. This is true history. Not bear parlour gist.

DOptical:


Even a fool knows the word Oba is Yoruba! You dey craze?

Let me even indulge your stupidity, you don't know about Obatala?

Ōbà-tálá, not ōbā-tálá. That there is a word Oba in one tribe does not mean it can't be in another

HBB1:



You are not making sense.
Who says Ife didn't have a Mornachy?

You keep shifting goal posts.
Who were the kings that were being overthrown?
Name them.

Ornamiyan had a child in Benin, called Owomika ( my hand can control it) who was also known as Eweka.
He left him there and went on to found other kingdoms.

As I said earlier, you are not making sense

go and read the history of ife kings were being over thrown by people within and outside the royal family, even strangers at some point ruled ile ife, when kings were being overthrown from ile ife military style Benin already had a kingdom with a direct line of succession now how did an ife who didn't have a stable govt or line of succession now give Benin a king, who already had a stable and organized civilization and govt

Shattuck:
go and read the history of ife kings were being over thrown by people within and outside the royal family, even strangers at some point ruled ile ife, when kings were being overthrown from ile ife military style Benin already had a kingdom with a direct line of succession now how did an ife who didn't have a stable govt or line of succession now give Benin a king, who already had a stable and organized civilization and govt

Anybody can pull out stories from his arse!

Show proof!


If you cannot, them keep quiet!


Also don't ignore what I said earlier.

What other words are similar to Oba and reflect same meaning?
I have use Olopa and Olokada as examples in Yoruba.

Shattuck:
go and read the history of ife kings were being over thrown by people within and outside the royal family, even strangers at some point ruled ile ife, when kings were being overthrown from ile ife military style Benin already had a kingdom with a direct line of succession now how did an ife who didn't have a stable govt or line of succession now give Benin a king, who already had a stable and organized civilization and govt

Who is the stranger o ?

FxMasterz:


The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of bein is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

Dundee, Have you seen the letter of the Oba of Bini to Ife where he called him Oghene, father?

If you had a brain, you would know Obatala and Oduduwa were both the king of Ife. And no, the Ooni dresses like Obatala which means purity & enlightenment. Ife is the home of the Yoruba hence has no empire because it controls both the east and west of the Yoruba. The great great grandchild of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan left for igodomido (a Yoruba named camp) to put order in the place while civilizing it. He left his child as the king of Bini and returned to Ife to become the king. He later left another of his child in Ife and Left for Oyo where he also became the king. Thus Oranmiyan was the link. His son at the central of Ife controls the affair of the central, East and West of the Yoruba while he was under no empire. However the West was controlled by another Oranmiyan's son in Oyo who controls the affair of the West which was under the affair of the Oyo empire. While the East of Yoruba was controlled by another of Oranmiyan's son in Bini. Hence why the Oba of Bini back then was allowed to act anyhow he liked in every Yoruba land. So, Oranmiyan was the link however Ife was the central head of everything and was under no empire hence why he was called Oghene, the father by Oba of Bini. He's the head of everything.

Danand1:

Ōbà-tálá, not ōbā-tálá. That there is a word Oba in one tribe does not mean it can't be in another

Ode, Obatala means king of light! You dey craze?

DeLaRue:
The Yoruba Internet warriors are a big part of the problem.

There is nothing wrong if Oba of Benin traces his lineage back to Ife. Both the Oba and the Ooni are comfortable with the true story.

But this new Internet generation have turned the whole thing into 'Yoruba owns Edo', 'Edo is Yoruboid' etc None of these is correct.

Edos are a proud people, with a distinct culture and civilisation. They're not Yoruboid and don't want to hear that nonsense.

I don't see why the Oba having Yoruba lineage should be a problem. If anything, it is something to be celebrated and honoured by him and the Ooni and used to bring their 2 people together.

The Oba of Benin is probably concerned that his people will hold his self-confessed Yoruba lineage against him. That is understandable in the context of petty political and civic rivalries that Africans in particular excel at.

People, particularly some of these Yoruba internet youths should butt out of this matter and let Edo people be.

What they heck is Yoruboid?
Arent they things the Binis and Yorubas share in common, they both use the same divination system of Ifa (Orunmilla) and revere Ogun, so why these needless schism! If British made expired Nigeria disintegrate tomorrow and they want to detach themselves as a nation. They should but all these falsehood peddled around is all because of the nonsense money driven politicking desired in corrupt Nigeria.

Olu317:
Yorubas of Ileife colonise Igodomigodo tradtitionally,linguistically, metallurgically etc to civilize your Idu descendants 😀😀😀

1) Traditionallly,in such a way, that orunmila , olokun,ogun, etc are venerated and learned by Igodomigodo descendants

2) Linguistically that Idu Igodomigodo language adopted Yoruba loanwords into her diction tha such connection has become known as A learner Igodomigodo people's language and Yoruba teacher's language

3) Metalurgically acceptance of the knowledge of Ogu/Ogún (god of iron,hunting etc) , whom the knowledge is enshrined in ifaodu as the source cum god of iron.

Try and visit your kings palace to get the true story of how Oduduwa came to Ife, all this that you are saying are just mere formulations

DOptical:


Ode. Have you seen the letter of the Oba of Bini to Ife where he called him Oghene, father?

If you had a brain, you would know Obatala and Oduduwa were both the king of Ife. And no, the Ooni dresses like Obatala which means purity & enlightenment. Ife is the home of the Yoruba hence has no empire because it controls both the east and west of the Yoruba. The great great grandchild of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan left for igodomido (a Yoruba named camp) to put order in the place while civilizing it. He left his child as the king of Bini and returned to Ife to become the king. He later left another of his child in Ife and Left for Oyo where he also became the king. Thus Oranmiyan was the link. His son at the central of Ife controls the affair of the central, East and West of the Yoruba while he was under no empire. However the West was controlled by another Oranmiyan's son in Oyo who controls the affair of the West which was under the affair of the Oyo empire. While the East of Yoruba was controlled by another of Oranmiyan's son in Bini. Hence why the Oba of Bini back then was allowed to act anyhow he liked in every Yoruba land. So, Oranmiyan was the link however Ife was the central head of everything and was under no empire hence why he was called Oghene, the father by Oba of Bini. He's the head of everything.

I don't discuss with brainless kids. I only stated facts according as it is written in books. Abusing me and insulting me in order to state your points shows how brainless and untrained you are. Children that lack home training should get off my mentions. I don't reply nonentities.

Olu317:
Who is the stranger o ?

Lajuwa was the head messenger. Said to have usurped the throne at the death of Aworokolokin, and became the ooni, if a mere messenger can seize power, how come you guys find it hard to believe a bini prince was once ruler of ife.

Konquest:

I watched the long but engaging video of the Benin Royal Palace high chiefs to the Royal Palace of the Ooni of Ife (Uhe) yesterday and there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with what the high chiefs said or did. They even affirmed the authority of the Oba of Benin while affirming the ancestral relationship between the Royal Palace of Benin and the Royal Palace of Ife through Oranmiyan who was the first Oba of Benin and the father of Oba Owomika (Oba Eweka) in that video.

So, the BTC should calm down, watch the full video and not escalate things any further.

The Ooni of Ife (Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi) will definitely step in by speaking on the phone or physically to the Oba of Benin over this and there will be a thawing of the situation, leading to the restoration of the full rights of the high chiefs by BTC.

Well said bro.
Besides, the throne of Ooni of Ife as crowned title is but a spiritual leader of all Yoruba kingdoms (sub-ethnic groups) not the paramount leader as many thinks. Paramount leaders doesn't exist. All Yoruba kings are Omo Alades! It is all the internet yoots on Twitter that gave this schism the needless fuel to burn for months, where is @macof when one needs him. He is vast in this histories.

Seriously who bows to a yoruba man
Very degrading

Danand1:


Try and visit your kings palace to get the true story of how Oduduwa came to Ife, all this that you are saying are just mere formulations

There is no Odudua originating from Bini nor Ogu but Ogiso only 😂😂😂

Even Odudua pronounced as oɣodua (oghodua)
according to Bini's account says ,origin is Yoruba 😃😃😄

Furthermore, Orunmila is also called odudua in ifaodu😊😊😊

FxMasterz:


I don't discuss with brainless kids. I only stated facts according as it is written in books. Abusing me and insulting me in order to state your points shows how brainless and untrained you are. Children that lack home training should get off my mentions. I don't reply nonentities.

It's even laughable to read this buffoon saying the Alaafin is the son of Oranmiyan.

See tears and wailing at the face of facts. You started the insult by misrepresenting facts while saying gibberish! I deal in fact, not stupidity. If you weren't stupid you would know Oranmiyan was the first ruler of Oyo and his son continued the reign, just like his other sons ruled Bini and Ife. Oranmiyan is the Link while Ooni of Ife is the head and is under no empire. Ooni is the father, even as Oba of Bini always referred to the Ooni as his father.

As I said, Ooni dresses like Obatala who's the first king of Ife and his descendants continued to reign before another Yoruba named man, Oduduwa of Oke ora was also picked by Ifa to become the king thereby signifying the creation of the universe where both Obatala and Oduduwa formed the equal halves of a sphere which created the universe.

HBB1:




Anybody can pull out stories from his arse!

Show proof!


If you cannot, them keep quiet!


Also don't ignore what I said earlier.

What other words are similar to Oba and reflect same meaning?
I have use Olopa and Olokada as examples in Yoruba.

lajuwa was a ruler in ife, he was an head messanger who seized power and became ooni, power was also seized from him, even oranmiyan seized power, meaning ife never had a stable rule, if a messenger can seize power, what does that tell you about such civilization the olopa and olokoda are not in any way related to the oba word sorry

chopnaira:


Their problem. Would the council of Benin chiefs also suspend Oba of Benin too for saying he is the son of Oranmiyan and Grandson of Oduduwa in his coronation video below? He also said Oranmiyan established Obaship in Benin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-q_F2zch8M?si=e6yfz-uGrRaJbPZE

This Oba no get real name? What's this "n'oba akpolokpolo" I always see?

FxMasterz:


This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation.

This is the second time I am reading this today, where did you people pull this out from and have you got any documentary proof?

Shattuck:
lajuwa was a ruler in ife, he was an head messanger who seized power and became ooni, power was also seized from him, even oranmiyan seized power, meaning ife never had a stable rule, if a messenger can seize power, what does that tell you about such civilization the olopa and olokoda are not in any way related to the oba word sorry

You are not very smart.

If power was not stable, how did they build an empire?

Lajuwa was a head messenger and seized power after the king died-- big deal?
Is that alien to history?

Was power not siezed in England?
Or France?
Or Rome?
Didn't the Janissaries (a corp of ex-slaves) seize power in the Ottoman empire?

Really?!
🤣
See argument!

Again don't defelect the question.
Ba- means hover over.
Oba means the one who rules over or hovers over.

Opa-- means staff
Olopa-- means the one who wields the staff

Okada-- means bike ( who knows where the word was borrowed from)
Olokada-- means bike man.

Since you claim Oba is a Benin word and means ruler.
Show me from Benin Language, similarities to this.

Besides looking at the genealogy of Ife Kings, there were Obas before the first Ooni.
Obatala being one.

Please try to make sense.

FxMasterz:


The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of bein is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

You're spewing rubbbishhhh.

DOptical:


See tears and wailing at the face of facts. You started the insult by misrepresenting facts while saying gibberish! I deal in fact, not stupidity. If you weren't stupid you would know Oranmiyan was the first ruler of Oyo and his son continued the reign, just like his other sons ruled Bini and Ife. Oranmiyan is the Link while Ooni of Ife is the head and is under no empire. Ooni is the father, even as Oba of Bini always referred to the Ooni as his father.

As I said, Ooni dresses like Obatala who's the first king of Ife and his descendants continued to reign before another Yoruba named man, Oduduwa of Oke ora was also picked by Ifa to become the king thereby signifying the creation of the universe where both Obatala and Oduduwa formed the equal halves of a sphere which created the universe.

I am an Oyo Prince. If you don't understand what I wrote, shut up and get out of my mentions.