₦airaland Forum

I don't think he was evil. He just planned poorly and made lots of mistakes, and was not realistic. I think it was pretty poor form to risk so many of your own people's lives and not be willing to go down with the ship, so to speak. But evil, demonic? Sounds pretty harsh.

tensor777:
Well you have been the one talking about splitting and land-grabbing. You think that such actions won't lead to an all out military conflagration.?
So you should be able to see the link between your greedy, grasping coveteousness and the kiliing, violation of females, massacre, and genocide that would be the inevitable fall out of such a policy.

I was condemning land-grabbing, not for it. Splitting won't necessarily lead to a war. I have no desire for any sort of warfare in Yorubaland, Awolowo rejected conflict in the land and I do the same. If we cannot achieve independence without great loss of life, then we shall delay it.

Only potential greed I have is Kwara, a territory that was historically owned by my people, a state that is primarily Yoruba. That I want them to join if/when Yorubaland secedes isn't really selfish, it isn't as if I'll force them to do it against their will, or something.

You seem to have badly misread some of my posts.

tensor777:
You are not consistent. You have made very silly statements about the starvation of kids in the Nigerian civil war, a policy which even Gowon the then head of state opposed and tried to counter, and yet you are saying you are so concerned that people are "suffering" that you want to come to their rescue. What are you on about?

I'm not saying the starvation of kids in the civil war was a good thing. I also don't like deaths in war, but they happen and are a necessary outcome.

Please try to think through things a bit further before you post, a lot of supposed inconsistencies can be resolved by just thinking a bit longer.

cap28:
can you imagine this tensor777!!!!!
this is why we will continue to suffer, if we want freedom we have to fight for it, as i have said in the past no people become free through prayer, every nation that is free today fought for it, why didnt the russians get down on their knees and pray for freedom when the nazis started annexing their territory, why didnt the vietnamese sit down and pray for freedom when the americans started bombing vietnamese men women and children with napalm and white phosphorous.

emerging economies my arse - emerging for whom, who are the beneficiaries of the capitalist free market model - africans or europeans??

Tensor is a just a weird sort of dude. He is a Nigerian who hasn't been to Nigeria, somehow doesn't listen to what his parents or Nigerian friends tell him. Hrm, or maybe he is just the children of billionaires. So all of this "emerging market" hooey is actually real for him, lol. 

Either he has never seen poverty or suffering in Nigeria, or closes his eyes whenever he comes across it. "Emerging free market", lol.

tensor777:
Somehow I don't quite buy this idea that you just want a great mini nation. Really who cares about such delusional utopia at the end of the day. After all there are  many developed countries to live in in today's highly globalised society if you are really just so bothered about that.
Is that just a mask you have for the kind of maniacal hatred you have been spewing on this thread?

I don't give a damn about these other developed countries, I want one for my people, the Yoruba. They are to whom my loyalty lies, and who I want to see succeeding.

cap28:
i thought this thread was supposed to be about Fela - why has it derailed

There is no point hoping for the progress of nigeria as one entity because it will never happen, nigeria was set up to fail by the british, they put their houseboys the hausa fulani oligarchy in charge and they are still calling the shots, the only way out of this mess is for the nation to split up along ethnic lines, but that cannot happen without war, the igbos tried it and were massacred - there is no solution in sight other than stay together and continue under the heel of hausa fulani domination or break up and war - those are the only options on the table as far as i can see.

You are probably right. But I'm hoping that there is a way to break up the country without war.

tensor777:
I was hoping that you would not derail this thread with your maniacal conspiracy theories. However Nigeria is already progressing being a recognized emerging market economy and having one of the world's fastest growing economies.
Even if it is not progressing, for the sake of argument, how does that affect you personally? After all there are so many countries to live in that are already fully developed if you are thus minded.

Lol, nonsense posted by another guy with his head in the clouds. "Emerging market economy", "fastest growing economies",  whose belly does those empty words fill? Get that garbage out of here, the country is a disaster. 20 years ago no light in the country, same today. 20 years ago, no progress, same today.

jason12345:
dapobear, i know alot of rich yoruba and itsekiri men in uk that said they would invest in odua nation!!! i think if there is odua and biafra,wow it would be mad. and you are right iron sharpens iron. but the problem is our economies are not big enough to make an impact> pls don't use western countries to prove me wrong because i don't think a white man would want to see a small african nation suppass his!!!

Make a long post earlier that somehow didn't show up. In any case, I'm not worried about "small african nation" as an issue. Empty size is useless. What we want is high per capita production, not just a country with lots of people who don't produce very much.

Yorubaland will be more than fine as a country, it has everything needed to have a successful state. And we also have a good amount of offshore oil too, for what it's worth.