DapoBear:

Kwara is unfinished business. It might be 50 years from now when we regain it, it might be 5000 years. But so long as the Yoruba live, we will never forget the loss of that region. And Western Kogi has always been Yoruba.

DapoBear:

Kwara is unfinished business. It might be 50 years from now when we regain it, it might be 5000 years. But so long as the Yoruba live, we will never forget the loss of that region. And Western Kogi has always been Yoruba.

alj harem:

we took kwara, fair and square

what unfinished business

alj harem:

we took kwara, fair and square

what unfinished business  

EzeUche0:

If we go by that thinking, than Igboland is much larger than the map I uploaded portrays!  

Now let me give you a what-if scenario. If Lagos becomes 80% Igbo, would that make it Igboland. By that line of thinking of yours, that would mean it is part of Alaigbo.  

jason12345:

you did not take kwara, we borrowed you and we would take it back!!!

Ileke-IdI:

Shut up.

Day after day , your useless illiterate northerner leaders are realizing how powerless they are.

chyz:

Yes they are, most of them see themselves as igbo.They are very clannish though.There is nothing that will stop them from going with other Igbos. They make up Ohanaeze as well and and Ikwere son is Vice President of Ohanaeze. You should read about who the who Ikwerre thing came about. They were force forced by the nigerian government(although many of them didnt abide) to drop their "Igbo" ethnic title and stick to their "Ikwerre"clan title and also make that their new ethnic title. Nigerian government told them if they refused that they will not accept them into the federal side and instead regard them as Biafrans and not give them any types of regards and also they would killed them and give the rest of their land to the Ijaws.

Let us not forget that Biafra was a multi-ethnic country. A named coined by an Ijaw man. Igbos, Ogoni, Ijaw, Ibibio, Ekoi all fought on behalf of Biafra. We all know Ojukwu's second in command was not an Igbo man. Two of my mother's brothers fought on behalf of Biafra and they are Ibibio. They saw intense fighting in the state that now known as Cross River.

All Biafra wants is the land East of the River Niger and the Anioma Igbo of the former midwest region.

DapoBear:

Heh, I see. Hrm, I was in PH for one month visiting some family, is that city Igbo? The language they spoke sounded different to me.

EzeUche0:

I grew up in Port Harcourt. Igbo is the most widely spoken language in that city. Plus Port Harcourt's original name was Igwe Ocha. Frankly, the entire East speaks Igbo. Ijaw communities converse in Igbo, Ibibio and also other groups.

DapoBear:

Heh, I see. Hrm, I was in PH for one month visiting some family, is that city Igbo? The language they spoke sounded different to me.

DapoBear:

As much as we claim these Northerners are illiterate dogs, they are the ones running the show, not us. They own the army, the police, etc. So if they are illiterate dogs, what are we?

So let us never underestimate them. Underestimating your enemy is a recipe for disaster,

DapoBear:

As much as we claim these Northerners are illiterate dogs, they are the ones running the show, not us. They own the army, the police, etc. So if they are illiterate dogs, what are we?

So let us never underestimate them. Underestimating your enemy is a recipe for disaster,

chyz:

Yep it is definitely Igbo.However it is something like lagos,alot of non-Igbos live there as well. Maybe the language you heard wasn't Ikwerre it could have been Ijaw.

pls, its not to spite you

jason12345:

GBAM!!!!!! FOREVER!!!

dapobear, i like the way you think!!! if in anycase nigeria splits into 3 regions we must not go without the whole of kwara and parts of kogi!
secondly, i would go home and develop our new found republic. i think the first thing we need to do is electricity.

i know the igbos to would advance because it would be viewed as a healthy competition.

jason12345:


my friend here said she is not igbo. i was even telling her about how most nigerians especially yorubas generally refer to anybody in the east as igbo. she started denying it and etc.

the point is i dont think they actually see themselves as igbo what do you think? _{pls, its not to spite you}

chyz:

Everybody from the East is not igbo, where is she from?

jason12345:

she told me she is from calabar

DapoBear:

Exactly. Electricity has to be the first priority, as far as economy goes. If you do that, the rest will follow. It means you can then actually take advantage of the lower cost of labor in Africa. This is why I have so much hope for an Odua Republic,
Indeed. This is the way I feel about Igbo people. You need people to keep you on your toes. And by and large, I view their competition as nothing but good for our people, iron sharpens iron, as they say.

chyz:

They are not Igbo. They are Ibibio.This is like the time we had a discussion of Donald Duke being Ibibio and not Igbo.

jason12345:

okay, i get it. but why don't you unite with them and see each other as one

jason12345:

okay, i get it. but why don't you unite with them and see each other as one

jason12345:

dapobear, i know alot of rich yoruba and itsekiri men in uk that said they would invest in odua nation!!! i think if there is odua and biafra,wow it would be mad. and you are right iron sharpens iron. but the problem is our economies are not big enough to make an impact> pls don't use western countries to prove me wrong because i don't think a white man would want to see a small african nation suppass his!!!

chyz:

O we Igbos and Ibibios are brothers we know that and we are already united. However, Because of the war the Ibibioshave a unity problem amongst themselves.Nigeria did the same thing they did with the Igbos to them i.e. the ikwere, delta-igbo problems. The government separated the Efik,Annag, Ekoi,Oro from the Ibibio mother-group and caused strife.

Quote from: DapoBear on Today at 06:12:38 PM
So supporting Biafra is well and fine. But what happens when Biafra sends an army westward, promising to supposedly "liberate" your region from the rest of Nigeria?

This ultimately is something I can never support. If you want to secede, secede, by all means. But secede, and landgrab from me? Hell to the naw. Awolowo may be painted now as a ruthless demon, but he did what he had to do. And if certain people want to paint Yoruba as ruthless backstabbing demons, then so be it, it is a legacy I'll happily take. Just let it be known that if you try to send an army anywhere near our lands, we will do everything in our power to have it destroyed.
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I guess when you and your forbearers were bending backward to make Gowon and northern Nigeria soldiers comfortable by supplying porters and women from your stock while they sat in Lagos sending vandals to attack eastern Nigeria, offensive strategy of any sort is best defense.   

DapoBear:

Make a long post earlier that somehow didn't show up. In any case, I'm not worried about "small african nation" as an issue. Empty size is useless. What we want is high per capita production, not just a country with lots of people who don't produce very much.
Yorubaland will be more than fine as a country, it has everything needed to have a successful state. And we also have a good amount of offshore oil too, for what it's worth.

cap28:

i thought this thread was supposed to be about Fela - why has it derailed

There is no point hoping for the progress of nigeria as one entity because it will never happen, nigeria was set up to fail by the british, they put their houseboys the hausa fulani oligarchy in charge and they are still calling the shots, the only way out of this mess is for the nation to split up along ethnic lines, but that cannot happen without war, the igbos tried it and were massacred - there is no solution in sight other than stay together and continue under the heel of hausa fulani domination or break up and war - those are the only options on the table as far as i can see.

cap28:

i thought this thread was supposed to be about Fela - why has it derailed

There is no point hoping for the progress of nigeria as one entity because it will never happen, nigeria was set up to fail by the british, they put their houseboys the hausa fulani oligarchy in charge and they are still calling the shots, the only way out of this mess is for the nation to split up along ethnic lines, but that cannot happen without war, the igbos tried it and were massacred - there is no solution in sight other than stay together and continue under the heel of hausa fulani domination or break up and war - those are the only options on the table as far as i can see.

tensor777:

Somehow I don't quite buy this idea that you just want a great mini nation. Really who cares about such delusional utopia at the end of the day. After all there are  many developed countries to live in in today's highly globalised society if you are really just so bothered about that.
Is that just a mask you have for the kind of maniacal hatred you have been spewing on this thread?

cap28:

i thought this thread was supposed to be about Fela - why has it derailed

There is no point hoping for the progress of nigeria as one entity because it will never happen, nigeria was set up to fail by the british, they put their houseboys the hausa fulani oligarchy in charge and they are still calling the shots, the only way out of this mess is for the nation to split up along ethnic lines, but that cannot happen without war, the igbos tried it and were massacred - there is no solution in sight other than stay together and continue under the heel of hausa fulani domination or break up and war - those are the only options on the table as far as i can see. 

tensor777:

I was hoping that you would not derail this thread with your maniacal conspiracy theories. However Nigeria is already progressing being a recognized emerging market economy and having one of the world's fastest growing economies.
Even if it is not progressing, for the sake of argument, how does that affect you personally? After all there are so many countries to live in that are already fully developed if you are thus minded.