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Nezero:
You keep running around in circles. I say one thing and you attack another. Much of what you say makes no sense. Running around with a 1930s publications and expecting me to explain it to you.
Why don't you go back to the 1930s to challenge the editor. I would reply you, but I would rather talk to someone who can actually reason.
And the good thing is, such people can compare your arguments with my response and figure things out for themselves.

Ahh, it seems you’re new to these streets? Emusan doesn’t bloody care what you believe as a Witness, he’s only out there deriving senseless pleasure as long as you keep on arguing fruitlessly with him.
But Emusan will not mention the name of his Church because he knows there’s nothing to write home about it.
I already noticed this calm demeanour in you from the way you comment. Don’t let Emusan and his antics change that. Chop knuckle, my brother.

The problem here is that most people normally have this stereotype about angels, they think angels are weak and frail beings so that’s why when you see that JWs believe Jesus to be the archangel Michael, you reason that they’re just talking nonsense.

Meanwhile, Jehovah dispatched just one angel who decimated 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night. 2Kings 19:35
So don’t let your minds play pranks on you that angels are weak, just one angel is a thousand times stronger than a large army of humans. 2Peter 2:11

As for whether Jesus is the archangel Michael as Witnesses believe, our position will always be supported by the scriptures and unchanged, while you keep crying, having sleepless nights and creating multiple threads over what the Witnesses believe.

Gambit23:
;DU are getting aggressive because i said u belong to an extremist sect?

But you want to force your opinions down my throat? You said Jehovah’s Witnesses are extremists, I said they are not. Come and force me to accept your opinion.

Gambit23:
Nope, that's not the case.
JW is a sect of christianity that originated from USA and they are extremists.
U cant wish that away

Haba. Is it by force to accept your opinion?
Keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself, Mr Gambit23 but don’t project them on me. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Your cup of coffee!
Peter said the same thing thinking he's about to save Jesus whom Peter thought was saying evil things against himself! Matthew 16:21-22
Do you know Jesus' response to Peter that faithful day?
But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men” Matthew 16:23
We are Abraham's offsprings nothing is too costly to sacrifice for our God (including out own lives) Matthew 16:25

They often keep uttering “we are the children of Abraham” meanwhile they have no idea what that expression means. John 8:33
Perhaps Abraham was also an “extremist” when he saddled his donkey and took his beloved son which he bore in his old age with the mind to offer him as a burnt offering. Genesis 22:3-10

Was it not because of the remarkable faith Abraham had in Jehovah that enabled him to attempt such a thing? Did not Abraham reason “that God was able to raise him[Isaac] up even from the dead” if he had gone alone with the plan? Hebrews 11:19

So my brother let’s leave the faithless ones to be, in the end all will see the distinction between the one serving Jehovah and the impostor. Malachi 3:18

eomajeh:
The JWs responding here unashamedly say suicide bombing is no different from their position of laying down their lives instead of taking a blood transfusion.

I’m sure you totally misunderstood the comments being made and now you’re taking it out of context.

At least we now understand why the Russian Govt is taking action against the JW.
Just as any sane govt will do all it can to stop a suicide bomber from unleashing its terror on others, in Russia, a govt is simply seeking to protect its citizens, even if it is from themselves.
However, whether the way the govt is going about it is right is another discussion entirely

Okay nah. Let’s see how far Kremlin will go with his mission. The example our God Jehovah set with their former ally(Germany) is meant to serve as a deterrent to them but they should continue as they are fulfilling Bible prophecy.

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you Sir, we are his true followers! Matthew 10:22-25

The man still holds the same view as those misled Jews in the past so it then means his claims are not in anyway valid.

Gambit23:
Accirding to people who understands Religions that have extremist views n behaviours

Mr Gambit23, we are all humans and if we’re going by that theory, the meaning of that word “extremism” is relative and it may have even lost its meaning given that difference in beliefs means one party has to call the other “extremist”.

Gambit23:
I didnt read this epistle
Fact remains that JW is an extremist organization Russia and the govt have cracked down on dem

Fact according to whom?

eomajeh:
You're very right that It is very brave to be ready to face death for a cause.

That will mean that the about 900 Jonestown victims who died that fateful day should be celebrated as not being faithless. they did what whatever god they reverenced wanted, knowing that the god will bless them later.
The suicide bombers around the world should be celebrated as not being faithless. they are doing what their god wants, knowing that the god will bless them later.

Remain faithful sir/ madam

Eomajeh, people are ready to die for what they believe in and the circumstances may differ. For instance, many people around the globe are nationalistic, they are ready to pick up weapons and fight in a war against another nation and die if need be, all for the so-called glorification of his own nation. This is viewed as honourable by the president and army commanders, after a great number of their soldiers have gone to perish in battle, they begin to honour the dead ones with worthless burial rites and ceremonies.

But EXCUSE ME, it’s when the circumstances differ, your kind begins to call out “extremism”.

So continue waiting for your words in bold to happen amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses until then you’re a peddler of beer parlour stories. Please, I am a “sir”. Thank you and good bye.

eomajeh:
somehow JW think flinging bible verses around make them great. But at the end of the day, those verses you people throw around says nothing except with your "unique interpretation" of them. You just flung 1 cor 5:11-13 at me to explain someone whose family abandon because he/she took a blood transfusion. But in nowhere in those verses is it mentioned that taking a blood transfusion is reason for any action.
At the end of the day, what calls for taking some action against that person who subscribed to a blood transfusion is not the biblical texts you flung out, but the unique JW i[b]nterpretation[/b] of that text (interpretations that entails intricate explanations, complex combinations of text, and even mental gymnastics)
Lastly, what did you think you achieved by throwing the label of" atheist-christian" at me?

The scriptures says that too much aproko is not good so learn to mind your business, eomajeh. 1Thessalonians 4:11
As long as they are not hurting you in anyway, please face your front.
So unlike others who want to project their viewpoints on others like the annulment of abortion laws and acceptance of LGBTQ in the society(which both go against Bible standards anyway), you’ll not find a single Witness out there protesting or telling the government that blood transfusions should be revoked by law. It is a personal decision each of us took or may take in the future. Acts 15:29

MaxInDHouse:
“‘I will call for a sword against him on all my mountains,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Every man’s sword will be against his own brother. I will bring my judgment against him with pestilence and bloodshed; and I will rain down a torrential downpour and hailstones and fire and sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many peoples with him. And I will certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah" Ezekiel 38:21-23

Constantly meditating on these prophecies in the book of Ezekiel along with Pure Worship book brings comfort and hope my brother. Romans 15:4

eomajeh:
People have a right to make decisions... so said the woman who locked her 5 yr old step-daughter in a closet for 3 weeks with no food or water just because the little girl wet the bed. She maintained that she had the right to discipline the girl... to help her stop a bad habit
People have a right to make decisions... that can be said of the People's Temple victims who drank that poison at the urging of their pastor. They can say "it is my life, and it is my decision to end it".
But that step-mother will be called wicked, and society will call for the sensible thing of protecting the little girl.
Yes, those People's Temple church victims are remembered as brain-washed fanatics, and society has always called for the protection of the unsuspecting from brain-washing and radicalization of every form.
So yes, just as people have rights
the govt also has the duty of protecting its people, even if it's from themselves

I’ve told you already that your beer parlor conspiracies have no hold on Jehovah‘s Witnesses. Proverbs 14:15

So we are not faithless people unlike many people today, we know if we lose our lives obeying Jehovah’s command, he will favour us with a resurrection in the new world. John 12:25, Acts 24:15
That’s the reason why we stand firmly on Acts 15:29. No leave, no transfer!

MaxInDHouse:
Where is Hitler today?
Because in the EU Germany has the highest population of JWs when talking about the ratio of the number of German citizens to JWs in that country!

Whoever touches us touches the pupil of the eyes of Jehovah our God. Zechariah 2:8
So Jehovah made sure the name and reputation of the useless Hitler continues to rot(Proverbs 10:7) while the number of Jehovah’s people continued to grow(Acts 5:14) in the same land where Hitler was raised.

In due time, those inhabiting Kremlin will learn their lesson from their former allies.

eomajeh:

Of course, you will have a defense for your JW practices. Anyone can quote verses and interpret them however they want to support their position. It comes down to interpretation of text.
I'll not go into what interpretation of biblical verses is right and which is wrong; But know this:
when Muslims at the urging of an Islamic cleric descend on and kill someone for blasphemy, you will cry-out "extremism".The irate muslim may quote verses in their holy books to support their position; but you will not say "it is a standard established in their holy book". You will not say "the mob action is a nice move that will prevent the slain person from becoming a corrupting influence and leading others astray"
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OKAY. First see whether you can erase 1Corinthians 5:11-13 from the Bible and then we can talk, so until then Mr “atheist-Christian” I bid you a good evening.

Gambit23:
U dont need weapon to be an extremist .
JW na pure extremist group, that's why the strict Russian government banned them

Mr Gambit23, your opinion is yours and yours alone so don’t project it to me.

What you’re unaware is that the Nazis tried doing the same thing during World War 2. Hitler vowed to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses yet decades later, Jehovah’s Witnesses held their international convention in the same stadium where Hitler made that declaration. Where is Hitler today? Where are Jehovah’s Witnesses today?
The latter kept on flourishing and today they number more than 164,000 in the same land where the worthless and useless Hitler declared their extermination. Meanwhile, Hitler is no where to be found, in fact his legacy is reprehensible!

So it’s too bad there are no Gamaliel’s in the Russian government to tell those instigating the persecution of JWs to give it time to see whether the organization is from God or men. Acts 5:34-39
Maybe they have not learnt their lesson from their former ally, but in due time trust me they will.

eomajeh: “...many family relationships are currently being destroyed by the shunning practice urged by the witness leadership...”

Jehovah is the God of the JWs so we work with his own wisdom which is higher than ours. Isaiah 55:9
That’s why sometimes it’s difficult for those who are not Witnesses to comprehend why certain things take place and so they brand it as “extremism”.

Jehovah said to his people in ancient times that love for him must come first before love for family members. Deuteronomy 6:4
That is, if a person commits a detestable sin that is deserving of death and a family relative gets to hear of it, he/she is the first person that must stone such a family member to death. Deuteronomy 13:6-11
The reason? So that such a person does not become a corrupting influence in the land of Israel. Deuteronomy 17:7b
Do you think that was extremism or divine wisdom?

As for the Christians, the Mosaic Law no longer applied to them since Christ blotted out the Law with his sacrificial death. Romans 10:4, Colossians 2:14
But still, the principles behind the Mosaic Law were still applicable.

Hence, love for Jehovah our God must come first before love for any family member, be it wife, husband, child, mother, father, brother, sister cousin etc. Matthew 10:37, Mark 12:29

So if a family member in the faith commits a grevious sin such as the ones listed at 1Corinthians 6:9,10 & Galatians 5:19-21, he/she in the household who hears of it must report to the elders in the congregation(Leviticus 5:1) that is, after giving the person time to report himself. Then congregational action is taken and if the person proves to be unrepentant of his sins after several attempts at readjusting him(Galatians 6:1), then such a person is disfellowshiped from the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:11-13

The reason? So that such a person does not become like leaven or gangrene, i.e. a corrupting influence around others in the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:6

Do you think that’s extremism? Or is that divine wisdom intertwined in standard set by Jehovah our God in the scriptures? Hebrews 12:6-8
This arrangement is actually a very loving arrangement, so that the person who faulted God’s law can come back to his senses and realize his mistakes.(Luke 15:18) in order for Jehovah our God to forgive him in a large way. Isaiah 1:18, 55:7

One of the reasons why Jehovah’s organization is spiritually clean is because we hold high moral standards(Matthew 5:13-16, 1Peter 2:12) so God’s holy spirit will not be active in an unclean organization. Galatians 5:22-23

Beer parlor gists and imaginary conspiracies!

People make decisions regarding their healthcare everyday.

A person’s healthcare decisions can be influenced by lifestyle, culture, religion or personal ethics—quoted from [url]betterhealth.vic.gov.au[/url] website

Eomajeh, people out there are of age to decide what they want for themselves so leave sentiments aside and face the facts. An individual may decide to object to general/complete anesthesia during surgery and opt for a more suitable sedation, or in extreme cases, even include end-of-life procedures in the event of a surgery, i.e. euthanasia which are all binding by a durable power of attorney document. These are decisions people make out there due to their personal reasons. I’m not saying it has anything to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses generally.

Now, when it comes to the Witnesses however, each person chooses to object to blood transfusions in the event of a surgery and this is binding by a durable power of attorney document. So there’s no two ways about it. As a doctor, try and violate the person’s rights and na lawsuit go dey find you.

The website I quoted above mentioned that a person’s healthcare decisions can be influenced by religion. Due to the religious beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they say NO to blood transfusions either whole blood or major components of blood i.e. white blood cells, red blood cells, plasma and platelets. Acts 15:29

However, there are minor fractions in the blood that act as antibodies such as immunoglobulins and albumins. The latter being present in egg-white. So it’s not viewed as a major component of blood. Other Witnesses might choose to use blood expander where available.

Besides, it’s not only Jehovah’s Witnesses who object to blood transfusions. Countless medical practitioners and individuals from around the globe have understood that blood transfusions does more harm than good. It leaves the person open to a lot of surgery-associated risks and terminal illnesses, so it is not guaranteed that the person will survive the operation.

That’s what has given rise to the potency of BMS(Bloodless medicine and surgery). A qualified medical doctor here in Nigeria made the following statement on his website with regards to BMS:
“It results in faster recovery, lower morbidity, lower mortality, shorter hospital stay, lower cost and better patient (and physician) satisfaction. Furthermore, patient autonomy is respected and the hazards of allogeneic blood transfusion are avoided, in accordance with the principles of nonmaleficence and beneficence in the Hippocratic Oath.7, 41, 45 Understandably then, BMS is no longer an ‘alternative’ but the current standard of care. BMS may also be considered a crucial step in the journey towards universal ethical, scientific, and evidence-based practice of medicine.” https://www.medstarbloodless.org/bloodless-medicine-and-surgery

So Jehovah’s Witnesses are moving ahead with the medical trend, we are not stagnant. Matthew 9:12
It’s usually people like you who think we must continue clinging on to the past while there are BETTER alternatives and methods out there than blood transfusions.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship with the adherents of Torah!

That one na sonmvayina 2.0

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