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Emusan: Look at yourself you just make me laugh here. You want to provide fact through internet and want me to believe. We have some site that prove evidence of God existence yet we have some who disprove His existence. Why can't you browse about money ritual and see whelther there will be answer or not.

@color red, then what about the lifeless body found in some places with missing part or police report or personal experience share in daily newspaper?

Even if some of these parts can be transplanting(as one of you claim), can human head/bosom/male organ be transplant? Then, why these parts are missing always?

Just allow spirituality to take place in your life once and see the glory of God and the devil.

How else will I provide you fact?

When you were in school, how were you taught to provide facts?

So because body parts are missing the best explanation you can come up with is that it must have been used for blood money? Is that your meaning of facts?

Is that not borderline ignorance? The body parts missing in bodies found around the world are used for blood money too.

You need to expand your mind to the phenomenal aspects and nature of humanity.

Emusan: That's my main point because it didn't happen to you thus you can't tell me it's real just because it happen to your family member or friend.

I said it's baseless because the way we give our fact about money ritual is the same way you give yours "story story" NO personal experience of it.


I didn't evading your question, I answered you base on the story you tell.

Mr emusan!

You are trying to play smart! How can you tell me to harvest and tell me not to use tools?

You asked me to convince you without websites, where most of my evidence lie.

How else will I show you evidence of my claims? Fly it to you?

You damn well know I have evidence, but you ask me not to use it, then you turn around and call them baseless?

Is honesty not part of a Christian value?

How else do I need to be convinced on the Internet without, publications, videos or pictures? All of which I can give to to ascertain my claims.

Emusan: Anyway, God will not allow those sickness to affect us. None has ever happened to me but the fact that it hasn't happened to me doesn't me I should say they are not real.

Did any of what you ask me to convince you about happen to me?

Emusan: You're very funny guy! I thought you will say HIV/Hypertension/Diabetis was diagnosed in your body as a personal experience.

You begin to mention family, friend e.t.c and want me to believe. Remember, we mention people that had personal experience of money ritual, testimony, people that police man have arrested of it, people who God has also delivered e.t.c.

It shows that you and your people have baseless fact.

Anyway, God will not allow those sickness to affect us. None has ever happened to me but the fact that it hasn't happened to me doesn't me I should say they are not real.

If it's not real people won't say it, people won't give testimony, people won't share their experience in media or newspaper, people won't do any deliverance.

The sad story there is the souls they have been wasted will face judgement too.

Be wise,

Your epistle makes no sense.

Why not challenge any of my claims?

Explain to me why they are baseless?

Lastly and more importantly, I answered your question why are you evading mine?

Emusan: Alot of you will just act as if you know it all.

I don't know atheist will turn this thread to something else. I thought bebe2 really wants to know something new not knowing she's among.

The major problem atheists have is "spirituality". Let me equate it with this and prove me wrong.

I don't believe anything like hypertension, HIV, diabetis exist. Confuse me here right now don't refer me to any website.

No all of Us dont know it, and the people that 'seem' to know it can't prove jack. Na story story.

As for you the ailments you mentioned, yes I believe they exist.

How?

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1. A family member of mine has been diagnosed with Hypertension. How do I know, she was prsecribed with the drugs and I saw her failing health.

2. A friend has been diagnosed with HIV. How Do I know, I saw the lesions all over her body that is often associated with it.

Do you doubt that? Type it in google and see people all over the world experiencing it.

3. My former manager at work and In-law both have diabetis. Proof. I saw their medication and how it affects their health.

As you can See, I have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE in what you want to find out. If in doubt I will supply thousands of evidence from around the world to back up my claim. From Nigeria to Fiji, I have pictures, videos, publications, journals , articles from around the world to support my notion.



Now you convince me about Money ritual that you have experienced with evidence to back it up!

virtual7: First hand. Experience? Don't know what u mean by that but if u doubt money rituals exists, please find out where kidnappings occur on a high, make ur research on these areas.I'm not talking abt ransom stuffs,I mean the type of kidnapping that they never find the person again.

Yes. How can you convince me something exist and you have not experienced it in person or it has happened closely to you.

All you are saying is still Story, story and story.

kidnapping and body mutilation is rampant in Iraq and Somalia, is that for blood money too.

logica: Jezuz, you actually thought you were making sense and dishing profound knowledge. Just picking one of your "how come", go to China and see old people who lived so long. How come indeed. Lol @ stabbing or shooting a man without effect. You saw that right? Them never shoot am with 50-cal bullet, that's how come.

Where were these people when the white man came to enslave us. Where were the spirituality and charm in the face of bullets?

lari03: thanks for shedding more light on this thread.
@daretothink you really got bitten bad by the atheism bug, like I said earlier you will always find a point to dispute but am okay with that seriously lol, the thing is if you were in league with corrupt politicians will you go around shouting for the world to know that you and your guys are the hardest jiggas on the block?
funny the way you guys think but the bible explains it, you are like the greeks at the time of Caesar Augustus;you want everything to be logically explained but the world does not work that way, even your big bang theory has got loose ends; lollllll, so the few who grew in families that had religion when they were younger, got tired because they wanted explanations but all they got was religion : taste not, touch not etc I feel you for you yes I do because you never got to know relationship with God, the one on one friendship of prayer and worship, the guidiance that such a relationship brings when you are totally obedient and submitted to God.
am off this thread and the fact is there's a spiritual realm that even you the atheist, lives in and can influence once you know the rules.

Yea, still no proofs?

Blood money my as.s.

Is Nigeria the only nation in the world. Instead of us to device ways to advance primitive thinking and move with the rest of the world, we are still in the witch-doctor years.

Too bad. Please someone tell these ritualist to give us power to create electricity. Na that one I want.

toluene12: Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.

1. Could you then explain the cultural revolution of China by Chairman Mao, who has been attributed to the industrial strength of Present day China?

2. Could you explain the Industrial revolution of Britain in the 18th century which led to simultaneos revolution in other sectors that did away with the primitive thought of the past and welcomed the years of enlightenment,

Industrialization has everything to do with the cultural belief system of the people.

The below is for your benefit;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cultural_revolution.htm


'The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, commonly known as the Cultural Revolution (Chinese: 文化大革命; pinyin: Wénhuà Dàgémìng), was a social-political movement that took place in the People's Republic of China from 1966 through 1976. Set into motion by Mao Zedong, then Chairman of the Communist Party of China, its stated goal was to enforce communism in the country by removing capitalist, traditional and cultural elements from Chinese society, and to impose Maoist orthodoxy within the Party. The revolution marked the return of Mao Zedong to a position of power after the failed Great Leap Forward. The movement paralyzed China politically and significantly affected the country economically and socially.'

toluene12: U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery - thus its not something for open discussion.

So do you belong to one, since you seem not to have a vague idea about them? pls tell me you belong to one else the above you wrote is just farcical.

lari03: ok you require a public figure...... ehmn ..... is Madonna good enough for you she was involved with Kaballah ( some jewish spiritual sect and I dont think I got the spelling correctly.) Or Tom Cruise and the scientologists? ofcourse no matter what I say you can always pick a point and go off on a tangent explaining my ignorance or lack of proof.lol

Dude, so the fact that these celebrities practices some form of religion is a valid proof that spirituality exist?

I mean really? when you used yourself as example i could not agree with you as only you know yourself and believe whatever you want to believe, its your choice.

But to use others,when we cant all see through their minds is taking the biscuits.

lari03: lol I can see you are getting all riled up by my words let me explain better how am I to know what you did when you woke up this morning? that's the line of thought that I expressed above. Proof of money rituals I have no personal experience, but on spiritual matters I dare say : Yes I am a christian and I know the spiritual exists because I live it, walk it and understand that I exist because I was created™, I did not evolve from inanimate matter, there was a conscious design, an intricate plan, a purpose beyond mere existence.

Not really, nothing to be riled about.

Your proof of the existence of spirituality to me is that you 'live it and walk it'?

Sigh. That'll do.

@ logica

To further buttress your point. Joagbaje from the religious section once posted a story online about the 'magnificent' power of a 'man of god' from one of the eastern countries.

Guess what the power was? The man, during a crusade,said that it would rain.

Alas, it started raining! Strangely some people were there with umbrella's already.

Main point: my damn iPhone can do the same in more than 20 countries

lari03: @ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

Your last sentence is what I find puzzling. Ok he does not know 'half' of what they do, leaving us to believe you have some insider knowledge of some kind!

Yet to give proof Na jamb?

lari03: @ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

@ dare2think lol, you are spinning the same web, Whenever you come to Nigeria ask in your village if there's a dibia or marabout that performs rituals and my guess is they will tell you such people exist.

If that's you way of saying you don't have proofs. No problem.

lari03: you still did not answer my first question? magic is for entertainment, cults and occultism exist and they are not for entertainment. @bebe2 are you an atheist? If you want to see the power of God come to Akure on May 1, to satisfy your curiosity. Prayer centre church of God.

I laugh at dare2think, you speak like you know it all, I do not need to convince you that spirituality exists I wish one day you will come across it yourself.
I do not see reason behind your linking national development to spiritual issues the way you make it seem;was Gowon shackled to a grove when he was ruling? Did IBB claim he was under the influence of marabouts when he began the structural adjustment program?
Oriental nations are also spiritually inclined so why are asian countries better off,or you think they don't have buddha or krishna?
lol,you dont know everything neither do I so accept or discard my comments the fact still remains.

I laugh at your ignorance.

At what point did I assert to knowing everything? If you can't come up with a better argument why not keep mute?

All I ask on this thread is evidence of the so called ritual money and most are playing about like messi with nothing substantial.

The Asiatic countries you speak off use industrialisation as the platform for economic growth and used spirituality as personal ideologies and consider ridiculous myths as fables.

Silly beliefs such as sango or money rituals ( which no one has yet to witness) hold the socio-economic development of countries back as people with proactive and practical solutions are not given the chance to activate their progressive ideas.

Please, once again, have you personally witnessed any money ritual inoder to ascertain its authencity?

I ask further, what has the spirituality that you claim exist done for Nigeria as a whole? Are we more consentious? Are we less corrupt? Do we really fear God? Do we love each other more?

What has it done?

seguun: You mean original freethinkers will pretend to be jujuists in public?. May be I misread you sha.

Yes. People who pretend to be jujuist, occultist or religious but are actually free-thinkers.

Most fraudsters and charlatans fit into that category. They knowingly deceive people and sell false hopes.

seguun: You know, my friend! Many nigerians always try to form free thinkers in public but they are hardcore "jujuists" in reality (hypocrates).

Same can be said the other way round!!

logica: Hahahaha. The only first hand experience they have is the first time they got a hand-job (maybe from themselves). Forget about it.

>Sighs<

The Nation is in a conundrum. A feudalistic country in a 21st century, inevitably there is bound to be a clash. How do we attain the 'developed' status as a country when we still have underdeveloped ideologies.

I dont know which handles most blame; corruption or colonialism.

They should have left us alone.

virtual7: Whether u believe money rituals or not,it is a reality.. From my tiny knowledge,I know the herbalists use these body parts to appease the jinns(demons) who in turn return the favour by doing the herbalists bidding of money,winnings,childbearing etc. Not that the demons really need these body parts but because its a short cut to hellfire. The devil already promised to mislead multitudes so he uses his henchmen(demons) to relate with humans. Op, many pastors, alfas etc are involved in these.they make magic possible. Some don't even ask for body parts,they tell them to commit adultery with different men and women(especially homosexuality). It all boils down to the shortcut to hell.

Can you share any first-hand experience with us?

Empero1: Oh ! You're even relatively a poor guy and possibly also a teenager . You are complaining of phone call charges. I always know it that majority of you who spew rubbish in the forum , when topics that requires the knowledge of people who have had advance understanding and experience of life are mostly poor ( financially and spiritually ) people .

This is exactly what we are talking about.

Fakes and Frauds that gives the impression of what they are not. One would have thought, jugding from the above, that this wannabe is the son of Dangote. But alas, he is a freaking nobody that can't afford to make a simple call.

'financially' and 'spiritually' poor?? I challenge you on both, you fuckin.g coward cant come back with nothing.

Chicken.

My phone is still not ringing??



I'm sure rich people should be able to afford to make unnecessary calls if they want to?

At least that is what that inbred would have us believe.

The time you are using to view this thread could be used in calling now...abi

Still waiting..

Mr empero1,


I don't have all day. I'm sure you should be able to afford the call wherever you are in the world.

I'm waiting.

Empero1: You- A genius ? Surely , you are suffering from environmental delusion . Excuse me , I don't have spare time to waste . Bye .

Don't run away you bloody coward... I'm still waiting for your call.

Wealthy Internet frog.

Empero1: Oh ! You're even relatively a poor guy and possibly also a teenager . You are complaining of phone call charges. I always know it that majority of you who spew rubbish in the forum , when topics that requires the knowledge of people who have had advance understanding and experience of life are mostly poor ( financially and spiritually ) people .

Lol. Where do these frogs come from?

So because of a debate about ritualists online I should call internationally direct from a contract phone.

Ok Mr rich-ignorant man. Call me direct from Nigeria 07882 and let's have a lengthy discussion. I'll leave my number for 24 hrs.

You are a coward if you do not oblige.

Tracetruth: sorry, it was a mistake. 07082799967. Why would I want to scare you? Also am not an ogun man am ibibio man. If may ask you is this science and tech. Not taught in almost all the world? Why has it been either the west or the eastern nations that champions in invention & discovering
You might think its due to the level of learning. Let me tell you they are no other parts of the world that practices witchcraft as this two geographical regions on earth

Sorry about the brief encounter, I called direct from my line. It'll cost a fortune. (I actually thought you gave me a ritualist's number. I wanted to accuse him immediately. )

Hopefully when I get a calling card I may call you.

Tracetruth: I have sincerely advised you to clear your doubts by going for an encounter, if you don't know how, simply call 08082799967

The airtel number you dialled is switched off!!




I dont know who you think you are or perhaps you think I'm a baby to be scared about silly things such as a phone number.You need more than that!

Please tell your JuJu men in Ogun State to Magically give us constant Electricity, Then I'll respect them.

Ohislee: Money Ritual is real, beleive it or not,
There is a popular case study in Edo state back in d early 80s, Lawyer Alegbe, Human heads were found in his waldrope when he was caught.
Back then Lawyer Alagbe dose not loose any case brought to his chamber.
For other case studies check your daily news paper.
If U still dont beleive that, follow my Ijebu broda to his village, where there is a shrine in every half Kilometer.
Pretend to be lost, and start asking people unnecessary questions and see if you would come back alive.

More fear rhetorics!

Let me guess, your neighbor's aunty's brother's, uncle's, brother inlaw told you.

Did you actually see/witness this story in person?

Tracetruth: my reply didn't question civilization, neither did i say it's bad. Am saying that, we think when we accept things that works beyond the five senses we are seen as being backward and uneducated.

How did you reach the conclusion that these things are beyond the 5 senses (but yet you understand them, do you have supernatural senses)?

Emusan: Guy are you not a Nigerian? Somebody like me started using camera phone 2005 that is even because I have left the village.

My friend has a video clip in VHS we are looking on how to copy it to VCD/DVD. It is a video of one festval in Benin I can't remember the name of the village again, is all about this occultic power display where they set a tyre and the man entered it (you can only see the man's head) they pour petrol on it and set it ablase, it burn for almost an hour and they call the man to come out from it and he came out live without any where get burnt.

lol. I am a Nigerian and I believe video camera has been in nigeria atleast since the 1960s.

As for your VHS, I choose to not believe until you come back and prove me silly. Fair?

I hope that Sango,Ifa or the magicians in Ogun State will be able to provide us Constant electricity in the future.

Civilisation is over-rated.

>shakes head<


To believe anything is a subjective notion, but to prove; ha that is objectivity.

At least in the story of the doubting Thomas in the bible Thomas was shown proofs for him to believe.

Advances are made in the world by people who have been able to 'prove' that their concept or ideas works. Planes, jets, cars, computers, machinery. All the things that have been able to make us communicate with each other right now. These are proofs.

Its 2013 people, yet not one proof for 'all' in the existence of ritual money. We marvel and shrug at these tales by moonlight we hear from people but cant marvel at the concept of a plane flying in the air. Japan, Brazil, South korea and freaking indonesia are rapidly industrualizing and making use of tecnologies to make humanity better for their citizens

Nigeria, we are still believing in Ritual money. Why wont we have our Pastors in Forbes?