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Obi1kenobi: As for me, Avatar is the most overrated movie of all time. I can finish a 24 episode series in a day and half but in 3 times of trying, I could barely keep awake watching Avatar.

A lot of modern action blockbusters like Transformers, Avatar, Hunger games etc feel like kiddies movies that try to cover up the [b]lack of substance [/b]in the plot with high octane, intricately choreographed, CGI action sequences. I prefer lower profile, slower-paced releases with more substance like "the Reader", "No country for old men", "the Prestige". But that's just me, anyway.

Bro, perhaps you need to watch the Avatar again. Maybe due to the fact that you could not keep awake you missed the substance and intricate messages contained within the movie.

Messages such as;
Gender equality, Spirituality, Colonianism, Racism, ableism,chauvinism -both types and so on

That movie is entrenched in substance!

musKeeto: not just you... though i may be worse. I've never been able to go past the first 30 mins of the Godfather...

Muskeeto!!!!

Dude are you for real..........?

Godfather?? one of the best movie ever made.

Am really wondering what kind of people would not enjoy the latest bat-man, another classic movie, were you guys just expecting action scenes? A beautiful philosophical movie. Cause and effect theories coupled with an enigmatic performance from Bane.

The batman trilogy is a classic!!


Adjustment bureau's director needs to be sued! I mean wtf.... After watching that movie, i was just angry for the next 10 hrs, just angry.

The extent of the human nature will remain forever entrenched in ambiguity. This is an example of a virtuous woman with her priorities and dignity intact.

Her tremendous sacrifice and love is worth more than a thousand Brazilian weaves or a million blackberries. She aims only for true happiness and joy. Her contentment even in the face of uncertainty is exemplary, and her zeal to support her partner in dire need magnificent.

She does not have the body of Kim kardashian nor the smile of genevieve, but her beauty from within is beyond any pageant' criteria.

I pray I posses the qualities of that man to get a woman than can carry me when I am down and possibly with no legs!

The most over-hyped senseless movie of all time is adjustment bureau.

Wasted about 2 hours of my life? God punish that director.

Rpg's

Omg, are they going to war? Wtf

These guys are not smiling!

-sighs-

Finally

Lol.

Internet gangsters! NL should have some sort of age screening mechanism.

Fun to read though! Makes the place lively.

jayriginal: See the coloured, that is the answer YOU wanted (likely stemming from a misconception of what atheism is). This is why I tried to explain to you the differences between the the three possible answers and to show you that LogicBoys answer was not only valid, but explained his position in the clearest way.

Reference my allusion to "trick questions".



Again, you are looking for a specific answer. You have employed the fallacy of simple question.

Here, let me make it simple for you. Answer this with a yes or no.

"Have you stopped beating your wife" (lets assume you do have a wife).

Whether "yes" or "no", you would have given a definite impression which may be far from the truth.



And oh, by the way, when I made reference to traps and trick questions, I was not implying that you were being malicious. I was just saying that there was a trap in it and LogicBoy avoided it.

Let me give you another kind of "trick question" : "If you dont believe in god, how were you created "

Dude, sorry for taking so long!

Let me start with your question.

'Here, let me make it simple for you. Answer this with a yes or no.

"Have you stopped beating your wife" (lets assume you do have a wife)'.

I cant answer with a yes or No. Why? Because the question is invalid to me. (Assuming that I do have a wife that I do not beat). The question may very well be valid to someone who beats his wife, but invalid to one who does not. Any attempt to answer yes or no will inadvertently assert that one beats his wife.

guys pls how/when do I access the wild-card?

Is it after the games starts?

dare2blues pls

thanks

Pls, bear with me. Will reply soon

jayriginal: You asked "Do you believe there is no god ?"

You wanted him to answer either
"Yes, I believe there is no god" or "No, I do not believe there is no god". Instead he answered, "No, I do not believe there is god".

Mr Jay,

I actually do not think you understand the basis behind my question and the resultant effects.

I did not want him to answer in a specific way, he had already answered the question and I had already replied. A second look at his answer prompted me to highlight the little flaw within. Perhaps you need to go back on that page to get the context and flow of the discourse.

Please read the question again and check the answer,you may notice the flaw. I actually did not see any significant maliciousness as I thought he genuiunely made a mistake or just avoided trying to say ' I believe there is no God'. All that was irrelevant to me anyway.

You cant ask me--- Do you believe there is no tooth-fairy?

And the first word from my reply is - 'No'.

The answer 'No' asserts that I believe in tooth-fairies!


To make it clearer:

*Do you believe that there is no god? = and the typical religious answer would be 'no', because he believes that there is a god.

* Do you believe there is [b]no [/b]god?= would the typical atheist answer also be 'no'?,

Lol. It's all the same to me.

He can answer the way he wants, which by your insinuation is what he did. It still did not remove my point.

Using the word 'No' was wrong with a question like that. I merely suggested how I expected he should have answered.

My phone's battery is dying , i would like to continue when I get home. Thanks

I actually understood his answer! But I actually asked that question in a specific way and he answered wrongly which was likely unintentional on his part.

Do you believe that there is no God? Cannot be answered with a preceding 'No' from an atheist stand-point as you are attesting to the fact that you believe that their is a God.

Hope you get it. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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MacDaddy01: How are you not an !diot?

You need to start asking yourself the same question!

MacDaddy01: LMAO......you just keep embarrassing yourself. At the end of the day, you have diluted and destroyed the meaning of belief with the thousands of beliefs you have on things you dont believe.

Let's review your flawed thinking
-Everything you dont believe in (eg toothfairy, elves) is not a disbelief but a belief
-You have thousands of beliefs on each myth that you dont believe in
-If you dont believe in god, it is a belief system as much as a belief in God

This is good. How are you not an !diot?

-Everything you dont believe in (eg toothfairy, elves) is not a disbelief but a belief


Everything I don't believe in is a situation in which I have reached a conclusion to believe that they do not exist or not to be true. (Context). My disbelief in something is to belief what is contrary.

-You have thousands of beliefs on each myth that you dont believe in


On a contextual note, yes. That they are myths to you may not represent the same for others. Some still believe in Sango, I believe he does not exist. I still believed in something, 'Sango's non-existence'



-If you dont believe in god, it is a belief system as much as a belief in God

Yes, like my analogy above. I believe in his non-existence. Its a belief in itself.



Dude, you wont insult your way out of this.

lol. You are like a child that is thinks he is laying a trap for his friend only to fall into the same trap.

MacDaddy01: Thank you! You have shown your foolishness. There are hundreds of thousands of mythical creatures/myths.Apparently, you have more beliefs than you can count

Am I disputing what you wrote above? You choose not to see the conceptual connotations in my argument. I probably over-estimated you.

Like I said, you wont insult your way out of this.

We as individual creatures are filled with various belief-systems. If I choose to believe in the Greek God Zeus, then I have chosen, consciously or unconsciously in a belief system. If you choose not to belief then you have arrived at your belief system.

*I may choose to believe [/b]that some aspects of communism are beneficial to the economy, you may choose to [b]believe [/b]it does not. We both have different belief-systems.

And yes I have more beliefs than I can count covering a wide variety of subjects. [b]Tooth-fairies included!

MacDaddy01: Furthermore, I am not intolerant. I am only allergic to ignorance and foolishness. Ignorance that leads to the conclusion that atheism is a belief

So, intolerant nevertheless!

You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. You are becoming everything you keep accusing others to be.

MacDaddy01: LMAO.........

Christians believe in God.....they have a belief
Atheists dont believe in God.....they dont have a belief

Simple logic that you can not use.

Answer the simple question; You dont believe in the toothfairy, is that a belief?


Furthermore, I am not intolerant. I am only allergic to ignorance and foolishness. Ignorance that leads to the conclusion that atheism is a belief

Lol, English gymnast in action.

To answer your question, No I do not believe in tooth-fairies. I [b]believe [/b]they do not exist. And yes, that is a [b]belief [/b]in itself.

Dude, I dont know you neither do I have anything to gain from the debate. If I have any inclination that am wrong, I assure you that I will acknowledge and possibly thank you for letting me aware.


You on the other hand, like I said in my previous post, are being like the very Christian apologist that you accuse me of. You are being intolerant and belligerent when confronted with views not similar to yours. That behaviour is showcased in your very first reply to me even when you don't know me and I was not taking anyone's side.


I dis-agree with your assertions and try to explain mine in all simplicity. You chose to ignore them rather than assessing them intricately and possibly pointing out errors in my analogy.


This is a simple situation of comprehension. believing in something do not exist still equates to a belief-system. Positive or negative.

Christians believe [/b]there is a God
You [b]believe [/b]there is no God

What the two have in common is that they have arrived at the point of choice. They reached a conclusion in their thought processes and finalised the process with a decision. That is what they choose to believe and inadvertently chose a[b] belief system.

We all dont have to agree, nobody knows it all. That I know for sure.

Example: Taiwo believes in Ghosts = Taiwo's beliefs

Kehinde Believes Ghosts do not exist = Kehinde's Beliefs



Both are different belief systems but belief systems nevertheless.

MacDaddy01: Common sense will tell you that a disbelief is not a belief. Dont be ignorant

Common sense should also tell you that when you believe [/b]something do not exist, it automatically qualifies as a [b]belief-system

Stop trying to use insults to digress, lets focus on the subject matter.

MacDaddy01: What a flimsy definition. Therefore, not believing in santa becomes a belief.

Schwitzgebel, Eric (2006), "Belief", in Zalta, Edward, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford, CA: The Metaphysics Research Lab, retrieved 2008-09-19


I agree with his 'flimsy definition'

You assert that you do not believe that there is a God, yet you try to disprove that not believing in God does not constitute into a belief.


Connect the dots.

Why not explain how it is a fallacious arguments?

Reading through your answer again dude, I'm not sure you answered correctly.

It should be; Yes, I believe that there is no God


However, I get your answer either-way! So Pls apply it to my post above!

So, do your answer not qualify this statement;


Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true

Ok Mr spongebob,

Attempt to answer this simple legitimate question,



Do you [b]believe [/b]that there is no God?

Mr uncivilised mo.ron,

If it is not a belief, then what is it? do you not choose to [b]belief [/b]that there is no God? Is that not a Belief in itself?

Perhaps you should take time to read the contents of my post again, you have been so blinded by your unrelenting zeal that you are becoming what you are accusing religionists of (bigoted).

Pathetic soul, it'll do you good to calm the f down and be more tolerant to various views!

Honestly..the level of antagonism and assault based on the differences in our belief system on this forum is sad and pathetic.

God is real, God is not real arguments and humanity is lost in-between.

Nobody has fully yet to understand this world in its entirety, and to believe otherwise is dis-honest or delusional regardless of your religious affinity.


Any practise or belief system that does not tolerate the diversity of race and individual choices and its dynamics is nothing but a control mechanism (Including atheism)

sighs,