₦airaland Forum

The Holy Bible from God Commanded Mosees

1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

These girls were as young as 3yrs...

Do u Condemn this acts of moses YES OR NO

The Holy Bible from God Commanded Mosees

1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

This girls were as young as 3yrs...

Do u Condemn this acts of moses YES OR NO would be enough

The Holy Bible from God Commanded Mosees

1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

This girls were as young as 3yrs...

Do u Condemn this acts of moses YES OR NO

The Qur'an and Bible is known by both followers to be revelations from God....the ahadith can be accepted/not by any muslim if u feel the narration is weak....As I qoute the bible,Qoue me from the Qur'an....Since I asked the question first and people have been trying to cover up my question with jargons...I'll ask again(multiple times)!!!

Please don't cover my Question with Jargons....Answer my question.... Do you condemn those acts of moses I stated YES OR NO?.....No stories please,I want us to be truthful here...YES or NO? Simple!!!

The prophet never did anything contrary to Islam,If u don't see it as right...I tell u now that I accept!!!.....Now I ask u,I know all of you are shying away from my question,Pls I need a reply....DO YOU CONDEMN THESE ACTS OF MOSES?.....YES OR NO...then we can debate

Muslims have been explaining the verse u've qouted...Please explain these. 1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed? We answered ur claims but U didn't want to hear,so defend urs if u r truthful...NO STORIES....NOTE: Discreditting this act is discreditting moses,and discrediting moses as stated by jesus will not grant you the kingdom[/quote]

I need a reply to this please.Its taking longer than I expected..Do u condemn these acts of Mosses?..Yes or NO...no qoutes!!!

dareabiola98: Muslims have been explaining the verse u've qouted...Please explain these. 1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed? We answered ur claims but U didn't want to hear,so defend urs if u r truthful...NO STORIES....NOTE: Discreditting this act is discreditting moses,and discrediting moses as stated by jesus will not grant you the kingdom

I need a reply to this please.Its taking longer than I expected..Do u condemn these acts of Mosses?..Yes or NO...no qoutes!!!

dareabiola98: Muslims have been explaining the verse u've qouted...Please explain these. 1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed? We answered ur claims but U didn't want to hear,so defend urs if u r truthful...NO STORIES....NOTE: Discreditting this act is discreditting moses,and discrediting moses as stated by jesus will not grant you the kingdom

Now let's ask ourself...Who started building weapon of mass destruction? CHRISTIANS. Who were the first to use it? CHRISTIANS. Who started the World wars which claimed over 100million souls,and more that 20million died of post war sicknessed...That was the most horiffic massacre in the history of this world..And it was all thanks to ADOLF HITLER...lat year...homeland security of the US,stated that 90%+ of the terrorist attacks in the state was carried out by christians,And I do not need to state the Torment of Andalusia on Muslims..help at gunpoint and burnt alive if they didn't accept the catholics...A christian mayor was arraingned last year for blowing up a church with 63 people in it,I weep when I remember the horrors faced by muslims in south africa(early)...All these I'm stating not to discredit anybody's religion but to show that the acts of 1 man or 2 or 3 doesn't define a religion....What if I say Adolf hitler killled all those people...Following the instruction from the bible: 'Kill evryone who doesn't believe in the lord of Israel'

Islam doesn't support terrorism!!!...But if people are doing it as they claim,that's out of context...the other day when over 300 muslims were killed in yobe(in a week,scool chilldrean amongst them)...no one heard of the News,it was like it never happened...the 1 of the mosque raid where 50+ were killed was not even broadcasted..I read in the paper 'Shekau might be dead'...Now I read the the whole context and I saw that,they raided a mosque and killed 50people claiming they were looking for shekau,what happened in iraq is happening here..I used to believe the boko haram story until I got wiser,The people of other religions are in control of the media,they won't tell the truth if they Find it.

LET ME EDUCATE YOU ON ISLAMIC JIHAD

1400+ years ago,Muhammah(pbuh) was a man of honor in the whole of makkah(before he claimed prophethood).He was a young man,yet people would go to him to solve matters,keep their earnings with,him..even people travelled from as far as syria to keep their wealth with him..He was loved by everyone!!!
But everything changed once he claimed prophethood and God revealed to him..But with the help of his Uncle who had great influence at that time,the persecution he suffered at the hands of Idolators,Jews,and Christians was minimal...But after d demise of his uncle,the heat went up,and they started to kill anyone who accepted islam(horrible deaths)...So Allah commanded him that he moved to Madinah...but the people of makkah didn't stop..they kept killing and killing..he signed a treaty with them(in their favour) but they broke the TRUCE.After they had driven them out of their lands,killed their women,raped their childrens,taken them as slaves and broken the treaty..ALLAH REVEALED THE FIRST VERSE ON JIHAD
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.  (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

In this verse Allah defined Jihad...ANd he states categorically 'those who fight you' and even when u fight those who fight u 'Do not trangress' Allahu Akbar!!!

Consecutive verses Followed that one,As a matter arised,God gave the prophet revelations and you have to read what prompted a revelation before you jump into conclusion...the verses that followed were many...And NOWHERE did Allah say 'KILL THE INNOCENT'...this is war,u don't look around when u r been killed,you fight/kill thise who wants to kill you...the verses reads

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).  (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds.  (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.  (The Noble Quran, 60:"

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God.  But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers.  (The Noble Quran 2:193)"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion:  Truth stands out clear from error:  whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks.  And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.  (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam.   Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).  (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe!  (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you.   If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance.  The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).  (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith!  I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  To you be your Way, and to me mine.  (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)" I could keep on qouting but let me stop there.

After ISLAM became victorious and people that wanted to kill Muslims reduced in Number,people who were will to sign a treaty of peace,And good people Arose among the makkans.Allah ordered the prophet to move back to mekkah...Alhamdulillah he was welcomed not by All but by Many and then GOD revealed these verses...

1-  Be Just to all of the disbelievers and all people in general.
2-  Show Mercy and Forgiveness to all disbelievers.
3-  Show the Love of Allah Almighty to all disbelievers.(REF:The noble qur'an: Chapter 5:2,5:8,4:58,15:84,3:199,7:154 and much more

So if anyone does anything against the commandments,he's not a muslim...And no fight must be started by a muslim except the conditions meet that of which Allah commanded the holy prophets

All of you translating Fitnah as disbelief...u should really watch where you copy your verses of the qur'an from...Fitnah means oppression and kufr means disbelief

Muslims have been explaining the verse u've qouted...Please explain these. 1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed? We answered ur claims but U didn't want to hear,so defend urs if u r truthful...NO STORIES....NOTE: Discreditting this act is discreditting moses,and discrediting moses as stated by jesus will not grant you the kingdom

Are u not qouting the qur'an...u claim they are inspired by those verses in the qur'an...So I qouted the bible...Christians are killing muslims big time but no one sees it in the name of religion...do u know how many muslid had died in the hands of obamas army...Is he not a christian....Why not call him a terrorist and link it with the verses in the bible.

alexis: Your claims are taken from Islamic websites that I read all the time . It's nothing new. However, this thread is about the persecution of Christians in muslim land up to this VERY DAY.

We are talking about the Muslim Brotherhood killing Christian Copts and burning their Churches you are talking about wars fought between Israel and other nations thousands of years ago.

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 31:17)" . These were innocent children that Moses commanded to be killed and 3yr old girls raped...Jesus knew of this...Yet he said "I have not come to break the law but to fulfil' and he warned against even breaking 1 JOT...Attend to this and explain to me how its not so...when u qouted the qur'an,we answerd u and tried to show u the right interpretation..I'd like u to interprete this 2 me....As young as 3yrs old girls!!!

I weep when I see christians who do not really understand the bible...if jesus changed any law from the law of moses...he'd be least in the kingdom...as he has qouted "think not that I've come to destroy the laws of the prophets,I've come to fulfil,whoever breaks on jot of the law shall be called least in the kingdom"....its either jesus contradicted himself or he didn't know what he was saying...

alexis: Why are you stopping? All you have proved is that there is indeed violence in Islam. What you don't realize is that Christianity has undergone a transformation. For example, when people steal and commit adultery - we don't stone them like they way they used to do under the Mosaic law (law of Moses). Jesus Christ, set a new precedence - forgiveness and mercy.

Under the Mosiac law it was an eye for an eye - what did Jesus teach? Love your enemies, give them food, love those that despise and use you. Also, there is something called wisdom in the Bible, the books of proverbs talks about wisdom and using your common sense. Christianity has passed through this phase. Islam hasn't and that is why some muslims can read a Surah like 9:5 and 9:29 and take it literally and kill people for it. So, you don't need to tell us about the bible, because Christians know how to live in peace with all men. Tell your brothers in the North to leave Christians alone - if they want to bomb and kill themselves, we don't care, just leave Christians alone

So u do not believe in Moses?...Anything moses had done...jesus came to fulfil it.Hipocrites are so much here.Don't change the topic,obviously when you made claims in the qur'an,we tried to show u the real meaning but u didn't yield...and we made qoutes from your scripture...Defend that!!!

alexis: I will concede if you can show me where Jesus Christ killed anyone or taught Christians should kill people. You want verses from the Quran and Hadith:

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

Do you want me to tell you about the raids Mohammad went on and the people he killed? Or the Jewish man he tortured and killed and married his wife after killing her husband

You know where the problem is..DOGMATISM....when u make a point,u shout out loud...All that I've qouted,are they not in the bible?

I don't know them,nobody knows them,what makes u think they are not ordinary soldiers trained for that course....I have over 3000+ muslim as friends and non blows up things...Whatever this is,Allah knows best

alexis: Who is blowing up Nigeria today, is it not Boko Haram, are they not muslims - what have you done to protect your land and family. Stop playing pretend man and acting ignorant

I have so many things to say unto you...but I shall not bear them now till u reply to my claims

OF All the verses I've stated....Please don't run away o...I'll highlight this one....
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

According to the historical elaborations about Numbers 31:17-18 Biblical Verses in the Jewish Talmud, the girls in "every girl who has never slept with a man" were AS YOUNG AS 3 YEARS OLD, and were forced into SEX! . Now SHOW ME A VERSE IN THE QUR'AN THAT ENCOURAGES KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"


Numbers 13:26-28
26 They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land.
27 They gave Moses this account: "We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.
28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there.

Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

It's odd how one of the 10 Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill (or murder).  (Exodus 20:13)", and yet, the bible ordered the killing of innocent children and non-virgin girls by the mass!

"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."

"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."


Numbers 25
17 "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them,
18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor."

Ezekiel 21
3 and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.
4 Because I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north.
5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.'

2 Kings 2
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Exodus 13
14 "In days to come, when your son asks you, 'What does this mean?' say to him, 'With a mighty hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
15 When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed every firstborn in Egypt, both man and animal. This is why I sacrifice to the LORD the first male offspring of every womb and redeem each of my firstborn sons.'
16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand."

THERE ARE SO MUCH MORE but I'll stop there

Ididnt want to do thhis but I have to...I know you wouldn't let the Muslims breathe...so I'll show you JIHAD in world religious scriptures....starting with the BIBLE!!!

You listen to the News and you believe everything they say....THERE'S A WAR AGAINST ISLAM....u look @ all the countries u've mentioned and u look @ d pattern...the pecentage of christians in the north is only 4%...I want to kill christian,I'd risk the life of my muslim brothers when I could go to EKiti...does this appeal to you...I shall tell you something and its the truth...More muslims have died in the boko haram crises thhan christians.As it is in Iraq,they killed over 420 pple in egypt last month just in one day,boko haram killed 44 muslims while they were worshipping,it also blew up manu muslim primary schools,look @ what they did with libya(the most peaceful country in africa),the blew up palestine,blew up iran and iraq claiming they were looking for osama...over 22300 people died in iraq then(muslim!!!) Muslim are dying...u say muslim are terrorist...BY Allah, without posters,Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world...9/11 was a lie,So many 9/11 victims have converted to Islam..I don't mostly believe in stories(its not right in islam else there's proof) but I know so well, that SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT

I shall not say anything less I butress my point...Islam is not just a religion but a way of life...It teaches that when you are been driven out of your lands,Fight for It.....Lemme ask you something...If USA came into Nigeria and starts blowing stuffs up,and killing our wives and children,What do we have the army...Would we sit down and look.Likewise,when an islamic state is been oppressed,they are to FIGHT

This Room is so nice to be in....U see!!! The problem with people is tha they do not read the scripture.....The qur'an was revealled to the prophet in parts...when a matter arises,Allah reveal a verse,some in command to the prophet and his companions,to be emulated by the followers and some to the whole of the world(directly).....THE JIHAD: Is not only a fight...its whatever you do(on an outing for Allah's course)...Allah stated..that he hates fitnah(oppresion),so he command of holy war,anywhere jihad was mentioned...God says 'verily this(jihad) is better than fitnah...Lemme tell you a story:....u see! The first woman that was killed in islam was sumayah..they pierced her through her private part and thousand of muslim were killed,men droven out of their houses,women and daughter raped and killed..this was an oppression God didn't like and He command "Fight them whereever u find them'...obviously,muslims weren't fighting muslim...the only way to describe the arabs then was that they were unbelievers

We have problems in Nigeria...Imam buys jet,pastor buys jet...how does that change anything...u'll just keep raining abuses on yourselves...what about the Arabs....making golden cars n all...those pple also waste money,although they are not Imams but this topic does not reveal any sense to me.What someone does doesn't matter to what the religion teaches...I think most of nigerian pastors are business oriented,Some are good though

Mr Tayo,I'm sorry if my words caused any harm...but I'm no teachimg you the bible,Rather I'm qouting it that u explain it to me,how could I teach the bible,when I have not so much knowledge...To me,according to what I've read of the bilble..JESUS IS NOT GOD!!!...and I've butressed my view with verses from my previous quote...sice u have knowledge it.please I'd like to ask 1 thing of you,what do u see/know JESUS TO BE?

FINGERPRINTING IN THE QUR'AN This verse is a verse I so much love and God directed it to those that doubts.
ALLAH(SWT) Says:

3.Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?

4. Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

5. Nay! (Man denies Resurrection and Reckoning. So) he desires to continue committing sins.

6. He asks: "When will be this Day of Resurrection?"

7. So, when the sight shall be dazed,

8. And the moon will be eclipsed,


The verse I want to point out though is the 4th,Yet I want you to reflect on the other verses...look at the question a disbeliever asks "he says,how am I gonna be put together after I had already rot in the grave....God answered this question in multiple verses in the qur'an "Did we not create you from when you were nothing".....Allahu Akbar.....look @ that sperm that had no brain,yet,it moves in a direction and runs to the egg...that sperm which had no legs stands today as a completely grown man with the complete systems...What greater inspiration can draw tears from ur eyes but the Qur'an.....Now let's go to the fingerprinting.

Scientist just knew that as much as we are in this world,NO two finger tips are ALIKE...we can also see that NO Eye looks the same as another eye but Allah didn't use the obvious,he used the fingertips which would be an ayat(sign) for the generation he'd give the knowledge of it.Yet we do not Ponder. Allah says again

4.Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

khattab02: Jazakallahu khairan dareabiola98. Excellent job well do. May Allah subhanawataala increase u in eeman and knowledge Ameeeeen!! Was touched and moved by your last three post.

Barakallahu fihi,brother khattab....I also thank you for ur nice words...I pray that both of us and the whole of the Muslim ummah shall not thread the part of evil but good...Rabbi zidni ilma to u also.Have a nice day

SEX DETERMINATION IN THE QUR'AN I'll Still do Justice on Mathematics in the Qur'an but let me show u 1 which applies to most of us. Over the year people thought that the woman's ovum was responsible for sex determination(male/female)...its still even rampant in our community lately...IF a woman kept giving birth to a girl,he'd be told to marry another wife to change the thread...BUT ACCORDING TO SCIENCE, This fertilization is done by the male sperm (the spermatozoon) and it determines the sex of the foetus.....WELL GUESS WHAT,the qur'an had stated this when no one knew.Several ayat (verses) of the Qur'an emphasize the concept that mankind was fashioned as a pair of male and female from a small quantity of sperm. This precise understanding is given in the following text: " Allah created you from dust, then from a sperm drop, then He made you in pairs (11)" {Surah Fatir (The Originator Of Creation). " Allah fashioned the two of a pair, the male and female, from a small quantity (of sperm) poured out (46)" {Surah Al-Najm (The Star), LIII}. " Was mankind not a small quantity of sperm poured out, then became something that clings, and was then fashioned in proportion, and made of it the male and female (39)" {Surah Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection),

If that was the question you meant.....I hope I have done justice to it,if it isn't,u can pose the question again.Thanks