Ur not a guy so u wouldn't know...its not just rape I'm talking about here....its about every bit of it...I'm not saying it makesevery guy think ofrape...but u direct ur speech to those who can't hold it in.Today...Women have been portrayed as objects of sex,an object of attraction for a male..and the males must just fill their eyes and that's it.When u dress naked..som1 might notrape u,but u would have caused a problem u r unaware of in another place.So ur creator says to u...Cover ur unclothedness and says to the men "Lower your gaze"....the fitnah and fassad on this earth wouldn't be this much if only we'd obey...but no!....we don't want to...when I see a half-naked lady,I curse her and the angels do too...there's NO soft-talking about this....The prophet(saas) said: I've been shown some women,they're clothed but it'd be as if they were naked...he says this people won't smell jannah. I hope we all take heed

true2god: Do you knw mohammed is a pedophi.le and a womanizer? Such a person, without self control when it comes to women, cannot be a prophet. Do u knw he was 57 when he slept with a 9 yr old girl, Aisha? Read ur hadith. Do u knw that ur prophet specifically told his people not to hav any jew and christains as friend (koran 5:51)? Your koran is a hate manual.

U've allowd urself to be brainwashed.
1. Aisha wasn't 9.
2. He married many wives...its not a problem.This was a commandment from his creator.Moreover he isn't the only prophet that didn't stop at 1.
3.The Arabic word used in the Qur'an means "Closest Freind"....and its true.it'll definitely affect ur worship.

No need explaining to u sef....u don't know this prophet like I do.

I was answering an atheist so I tot to share with my fellow brothers and sisters.
Like a famous Scientis once said..Little knowledge of science makes one an atheist but deep knowledge makes you a believer.I'll leave you with a piece:
Going by ur belief that everything happened by chance...I hope u've heard of the Owl Butterflies,this butterflies actually have the eyes of owl drawn on their wings and it uses this to scare away its predators who are mostly afraid of owlsFrom this piece..I ask?
1.How does the butterflie in its larva...without having knowledge of the world it was coming possibly know that...there are animals that can eat it and these animals are scared of owls?
2. These butterflies never met an owl,yet they have the diagram right on their wings...perfectly
3.By your definitions of things coming about by chance..will u tell me that these butterflies drew the owl's eye on its wings.
According to Wikepedia:.Also the question why animals evolved such complex imitations of other species is left unanswered....From this piece, know that Allah(azzawajal) will recreate and call us to account on a day when people would be naked and you wouldn't even notice...On a day whose horror would cause a new born to grow grey hair.Fear Allah and hope for his mercy,I pray Allah(swt) grants us Ikhlas...Peace!!!

Like a famous Scientis once said..Little knowledge of science makes one an atheist but deep knowledge makes you a believer.I'll leave you with a piece:
Going by ur belief that everything happened by chance...I hope u've heard of the Owl Butterflies,this butterflies actually have the eyes of owl drawn on their wings and it uses this to scare away its predators who are mostly afraid of owlsFrom this piece..I ask?
1.How does the butterflie in its larva...without having knowledge of the world it was coming possibly know that...there are animals that can eat it and these animals are scared of owls?
2. These butterflies never met an owl,yet they have the diagram right on their wings...perfectly
3.By your definitions of things coming about by chance..will u tell me that these butterflies drew the owl's eye on its wings.....Peace!!!

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed....(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)"

"So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:44)"

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"
Matthew 26:36-44

36.  Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37.  He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38.  Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39.  Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40.  Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41.  "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42.  He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43.  When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44.  So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING. Jesus said "no vain repetitions" in Prayers(Matthew 6:5-".  But how many times did Jesus pray over the same thing in such a small period of time?   3 times in Matthew 26:36-44, and endlessly in Luke 6:12. The bible portrays Jesus as a Man that needed God..He was troubled and persistent in prayer...How can he be God!....How can one unequivocal verse have much power over these.Or do you not read this bible.Pls pple...I'm not calling you to anything,All I want you to see is who Jesus truly was.

Rather....there are tons of verses where he claimed of the One True God
what was jesus's reply when he was asked of the first commandment: The first commandment “Hear, O’ Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord”; (Isaiah 43:10-11):
“... that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no saviour”; (Isaiah 44:6):
From Isaiah 45:18, alone we can conclusively say that God alone was the Creator and no one else, not even Jesus, participated in the creation.
See further: Deuteronomy 4:35; Exodus 8:10; Il Samuel 7:22; 1 Kings 8:23; I Chronicles 17:20; Psalms 86:8,89:6 and 113:5; Hosea 13:4; Zechariah 14:9. .” (I Timothy 2:5): “For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Look to the expression the man Christ Jesus...

You can iinfer...there's no such verse rather what there's are verses you can give different meaning and even christian give different interpretations to...

BabaGnoni:

OK, dareabiola98, I hear you

but please when someone does a "proskuneo" or is it a "prosekunesan" with a spiritual reverence to it, what has that someone just done?

Means to worship....and in the greek bible its nowhere to be found

BabaGnoni:

Omi eko, eko noni.

Carry go, go siddon jaare

Homage is worship, whether you like it or not.

Did jesus speak english abi wetin be homage for this talk....

oyelude f: please reply dis or its obvious u jst want to lead innocent christians astray. if i should open a thread in d islam section i will get a ban but you can freely express ur views here. why r muslims so insecure?

I didn't get the point ur trying to prove with the speech u gave above.The thread reads:....provide 1 verse from the bible where Jesus claimed to be God or where he asked people to worship him. SIMPLE!!!...u're the one changing the subject maybe u shud (brief with ur speeches cos I couldn't get the point u were trying to prove

[/color]I might add that the Greek word used for what the Biblical editors mistranslate as "Worshipped" is 'prosekunesan'.  It is derived from 'proskuneo' (4352), which literally means bow, crouch, crawl, kneel or prostrate.  Interestingly, there is absolutely no text of prayer associated with the recorded acts of "prosekuneo" to Jesus{peace be upon him} in the Bible.[color=#770077]That is why, for example when dealing with the subject of the three wise sages encountering the infant Jesus{peace be upon him} as recorded in Mathew 2:11, instead of using the word "worshipped", the 'New English Bible' translates the text of the quoted verse as: "bowed to the ground". 

Furthermore, in the 'New Revised Standard Version' the text of the quoted verse reads: "they knelt down and paid him homage"

Image123:

Very simple. i'm aware of all God's offspring being referred to as children of God. Jesus is also aware. The point you need to get is the distinction Jesus Himself made referring to Himself as the ONLY begotten of God. Even when you change begotten to chosen, the fact remains that Jesus is not like everyone else before Him. God asked the angels to worship Him. Do you know any man like that? Learn to listen to we believers, i heard that your holy book says so.

its either that Jesu in the bible was Lying or that God in the bible was Lying...some1 has to be...the angels bowed to Adam also as God commanded them.what does that make him

oyelude f: u r wrong God wasnt speakin to davidbut was referin to JESUS. note dat d bible said "the lord said to my lord"

David (Psalm 2.7): “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me (David), Thou art My son; this day have I begotten thee...God was talking to david..Read the bible commentry..He was reffering to som1 present

Image123:

In that sense, every being is God's offspring including the devil and angels. We are referring to the sense in which Jesus Himself spoke as being the ONLY Son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I qouted above;Long before Jesus was born, God said to David (Psalm 2.7): “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me (David), Thou art My son; this day have I begotten thee.” So David is also God’s begotten son, and he was before Jesus. You see the meaning of “son of God” is not literal but metaphorical.who's lying here...Beggoten has been changed to chosen in some versions of the bible...I don't know what ur trying to prove but all the above verses called pple Sons of God..So why is jesu's Sonship any different

Its not new....maybe u just got aware of it....its fire...fire in Nigeria here also.some even pray for fire in their lives and that of their children...what an Irony.But nevertheless...If u wouldn't consider my offer Pls don't comment and if you would...don't either.I want you to Learn about Islam truly and Learn more about jesus as presented by the 3 major religions. Peace

Sal C:


Erm the title here get as e be

The blame shouldn't go to the church but the volunteers who decided to introduce a rule not given by the church.

The action of the atheist group too is quite commendable alongside the christian woman who brought out toy for the child and the one who brought them christmas stuff to apologize in the evening. The pastor too should keep to his promise of investigating the matter and prevent further such occurrence. The action of those volunteers is the type that bring bad name to such christian institution, the church has to forestall such action.



@tex. I totally agree with you on the bible version and translation post
Christian should realize that some bible sayings should not be taken at face value or out of context.

The bible says If someone is dishonest in something small,he is dishonest in something big and this agrees with real life also.You now mean to tell me that you base ur faith on that part of the bible wc u do not know if is that part you claimed to have been doctored.How do u choose wc is wrong or right...when we do not have the bible in jesus's original language

Cos I gave one abi......You shouldn't take the Son literarilly read:
Read Exodus 4:22.
And thou (Moses) shalt say unto Pharaoh, thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”
Read now II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10. “He (Solomon) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be My son.”
It will be even more confusing when you read Jeremiah 31:9: “I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.” In Exodus 4:22 just now, Israel was called firstborn too. Who is the real firstborn? Israel or Ephraim? Common people can also be children of God; read Deuteronomy 14:1.“Ye are the children of the Lord your God.”
Common people can also be called firstborn; read Romans 8:29.
Long before Jesus was born, God said to David (Psalm 2.7): “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me (David), Thou art My son; this day have I begotten thee.” So David is also God’s begotten son, and he was before Jesus. You see the meaning of “son of God” is not literal but metaphorical. The Bible makes it clear that anyone who obeys God is beloved to God and is called son or children of God. Jesus also said that God is not only his Father, but also your Father as stated in Matthew 5:45,48.“That ye may be the children of your Father”; and “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”As you can see in many passages of the Bible people are called “first born”, “begotten son”, “sons of God” and “children of God” which signify love and affection and nearness to God, and is not exclusive to Jesus alone. there are sons and daughters in tons buh lemme stop here.....I ask this question though...on what basis do you make Jesus the Son of God...because he had no father?...Allah says in the qur'an "the similitude of jesus is like that of adam in front of Allah"...if u feel jesus is son of God because he had no father...then adam is a greater Son..he had no father and mother..we even hear of one who had no relatives in the bible.So ponder

oyelude f: who was speakin there nd wch ppl was been referd to there. i wld also like to know d version u quoted frm or did u insert d son inthere urself?

have u checked ur own bible?

Jesus will cover this sin too....its nothing

Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "
I think this 1 is enof

Gud for u emofine....
U see,the hijab is not really what Islam emphasizes...but covering of the body.This is a Message from our creator,he knows what he has created and he's telling the ladie "Cover yourselves".Some Ladies don't know what they've caused today...in the early times,there wasn't so much cases of rape as we have now.imagine nickiminaj in a protest against rape..u know what I say to her u caused the rape in the first place..Allah knows that the body parts of the women entices man..You open All of ur body,u cause mental suppresssion to a guy who can't aproach a lady,he takes a minor,and he has an oral knowledge of her.the way women open their bodies nowadays,even the married men lose appreciation of their wives,Yes!!! Because u've seen much better than her.So Allah gives this command cover ur unclothedness and if they wouldn't Allah(swt) tells the men to "Lower their gaze as well"...I hope we can be concious and know that when u flaunt ur body parts,u've confused as many men as u walked by Salam

oyelude f: have you ever heard where God said "dis is my beloved son in whom im well pleased"?

many others were reffered to as God's Son in the bible.the problem I have with the term "Son" is just like I have with "Lord"...in ancient hebrew,leaders were called rabbis,a term used also for the creator..the translators of the bible just choose words and this has caused so much problem.If u can translate the words of jesus(if it still exists) back to aramaic,u'd see clearly that ur on a manifest error

BabaGnoni:

In Luke 4:8: when satani, told Jesus he will give things to Jesus if he Jesus will fall down and worship satani

Jesus answered satani, saying: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”

1. U mean to tell me Satan who was aware that Jesus created(abi no be him be the creator ni) him was gelling God to worship Him.
2. Does Jesus's reply mean he's to be worshipped...he said worship your lord and serve him only(if he was God,he would have said me,abi can't u read these things ur posting ni)(only wc jesus used there proves God is 1 (monotheism) wc u don't believe in)
3. Jesus demonstrated that u should worship the lord only when he also worship in gethsame and many other places.
4. You mean to tell me that God was worshiping another God.this ur reply vividly claims that jesus neva was worth worshiping..if he was satan wouldn't direct that question to him..as u know very well that God worship no one(wc jesus did)...and even after he had directed the question...for the benefit of the 2billion christians today,u think jesus couldn't have said.."I am God,I bow to no one"...rather than jesus directing him to worship another lord...because in the composition of jesus's reply,he was reffering to a third person.

ckkris: Now there's no point discussing with a person that can never understand. Jesus is Prince of Peace, not a warrior, and His followers CAN NEVER BE TERRORISTS.

...what makes u think I won't understand...u explain,I concede...I dunno what ur implying with the terrorism....the war wc claimed most life in the history of the universe was spearheaded by a catholic,should I now label all Xtians terrorist....provide a verse,ur talking terrorism...how do they relate..Am I holding a gun to your head.

The qur'an and hadith did talk about technology though
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

rationalmind:

Lol, you remind me of a friend who once told me there is no subject the glorious quran doesn't talk about. He said, is it biology, chemistry, physics e.t.c

I asked him, what of computer

Your guess is exactly what happened. He suddenly went quiet.

Anyway, as for you post. What's the islamic answer to the cure for HIV/AIDS. Please, give a direct answer. Your answer will be used to publish a journal that will win you the nobel prize

. Allah says in the glorious Qur'an and the hadith related that..."There is no desiese except that Allah had created the cure"...its is for man to find it from the vast provision of the creator.At one time typhoid was so deadly and had no cure until pple discovered..this goes for aids too..God won't come down and tell you to use this..he'll provide and you find

As a famous scientist once said "Little knowledge of science makes one an atheist but deeper knowledge of science makes one a believer".
In the Qur'an,Allah explained every aspect of his creation in a way that science can never beat.he tells us about the earth,universe,man...and so much more...and our prophet(saw) gas explained to us this reincarnation...Only if you would seek truth

Salam Alaykum warahmatullah......It is vividly established that every self shall taste death...and coming back after death is not allowed..(U can check different tafseers of the holy qur'an)...however pple claim to see som1 that had once lived...These kind of stuffs are unanimously belived by Alims to be the work of Jinns(by the will of Allah).That's why the prophet forbade us from bathing naked/openly...there are jins that can take form of other pple causing disbelief and fitnah that would stop you from worshiping ur creator.One of the most famous hadith of the prophet was the prayer b4 entering the toilet and this prayer mainly seeks giudance against the unseen(shayatin)...they take the shape of whomever they like if allah wills.There's more on this but I hope every muslim should make researchs and really find out about this beautiful deen

Pope Xander VII:

People assume that for us to be Atheists,we must have all the answers. There are still a lot of things both science and religion can't answer.

.There's nothing Islam Doesn't have an answer for only if u but know

Change the people you've made ur tightest friends...walk with pious people.I believe this is a major step to take

Now you ask why Muslims are so inquisitive about Jesus...We ought to...We love Isa(as) more than u do...when u call some1 what he isn't(its blasphemy) and when u call him what he truly is(its praise)...We want to clear the wrong notions u have about our holy prophet...Because if u can't produce a verse where he claimed divinity...it shows ur liars...then I'll show you verses where he explicitly said he's been sent(abi who has the right to send God on an errand)...no 1...meaning there's a greater Power..and he's a messanger and slave to that power.