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elampiro: There is a difference beween the ancestors and now. The ancestors never had the opportunity to hear about God yet history has it they still looked up to heaves (sky) when they called upon a Supreme Being. They are different from atheist who rejected the good news.

Even if atheist might be saved, the head of Christians should call them to beauty of God rather than encourage them to remain in their unbelief.

peteregwu: WELL, THE THING IS THAT IT IS NOT GOD THAT WILL JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY, IT IS THE SAME WORD OF GOD. (Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46 KJV
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."




(John 12:46-48 KJV. "I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

AND WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD? IT IS JESUS AND WHO IS JESUS? HE IS GOD! (John 1:1-5, 10, 14 KJV. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

SO FRIEND, YOU CAN SEE IT YOURSELF, THAT IS MY BELIEVE. YOU SPEAK ACCORDING TO HUMAN SENSE, BUT GOD IS DIFFERENT, AND HE DOES NOT SPEAK LIKE HUMAN. HE IS A SPIRIT. HIS WAY IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF MAN, THAT IS WHY YOU CANT UNDERSTAND JESUS OR THE BIBLE. THE JESUS AM TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE FROM THE LINE OF ISAAC AND NOT ISHMAEL.

peteregwu: WHY ARE YU QUOTING THE BIBLE? YOU DONT BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN THEIR, SO WHAT IS THE POINT. HOW CAN YOU TEACH ME THEN? HMMMM....STRANGE I GUESS. GOD IS NOT A MAN LIKE YOU QUOTED, THATS TRUE. THE SAME OLD TESTAMENT BIBLE YOU QUOTED PROPHESIED OF A MIGHTY GOD THAT WOULD BE BORN, HOPE YOU WILL BELIEVE THAT ONE TOO?

Isaiah 9:6-8 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. [8] The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Isaiah 7:14 KJV
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God With Us).

SO WHAT DO WE SAY TO THE VERSES IN THE BIBLE ABOVE? PLS NOTE IN THAT VERSE IN ISAIAH I QUOTED, THE "SON" TO BE BORN IS CALLED "THE MIGHTY GOD." SO FRIEND, WILL U ALSO COUNTER IT...OR MAYBE I SHOULD ASK YOU WHO THAT "SON" IS?

peteregwu: WELL, THE THING IS THAT IT IS NOT GOD THAT WILL JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY, IT IS THE SAME WORD OF GOD. (Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46 KJV
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."




(John 12:46-48 KJV. "I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

AND WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD? IT IS JESUS AND WHO IS JESUS? HE IS GOD! (John 1:1-5, 10, 14 KJV. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

SO FRIEND, YOU CAN SEE IT YOURSELF, THAT IS MY BELIEVE. YOU SPEAK ACCORDING TO HUMAN SENSE, BUT GOD IS DIFFERENT, AND HE DOES NOT SPEAK LIKE HUMAN. HE IS A SPIRIT. HIS WAY IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF MAN, THAT IS WHY YOU CANT UNDERSTAND JESUS OR THE BIBLE. THE JESUS AM TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE FROM THE LINE OF ISAAC AND NOT ISHMAEL.

peteregwu: @dareabiola98. All the point you made about Jesus is baseless, and without foundation. you are not a Christian, and their is no way you can ever be in support of or believe the bible. you can see what i mean. their is no Christian that does not believe Jesus is God, except Jehovah witness people. they (jehovah witness) just claim to be but they are not. they are just like the muslims.

you spoke about Jesus not being God, you are saying it because that is what your Quran says. you are only speaking based on what your quran teaches. as for we, we believe in the bible. Jesus said "before Abraham, I was."

(Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it , and was glad. [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:56-59 KJV.)

In above passage in the bible, they wanted to stone Jesus, because He claimed to be before and above Abraham.

Jesus also said that Moses also spoke about Him. (John 5:46-47 KJV
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. [47] But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"


Jesus also said that He came from above to reveal to us the father. when Philip asked Jesus, "show us the father", Jesus told him, "all these while I have been with you, you are yet to know who the father is. if you have seen me, you have seen the father."

("If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. [8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then , Shew us the Father?" John 14:7-9 KJV.)

when Jesus healed blind man in the bible, and Jesus asked if He believes on the son of God, he said show me and i will believe, and Jesus told him, it is me you, have seen Him. the man fell down and worshipped Jesus. now, Jesus never rebuked Him for worshipping Him. but Jesus accepted his worship.

("Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? [36] He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? [37] And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. [38] And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. [39] And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind." John 9:35-39 KJV.)

if Jesus was just ordinary prophet, He would have rebuked the man.

In the bible Jesus also forgave peoples sin.

("And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. [3] And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. [4] And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? [5] For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? [6] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. [7] And he arose, and departed to his house." Matthew 9:2-7 KJV.)

who can forgive sin? No angel can forgive sin, no man can forgive or any being forgive sin, but God alone has power to forgive sins. The reason is because every being was created, including the angels. So no man or being has the power to do that. And that is exactly God came by Himself into the world by Jesus to come take the sins of those that believe on Him.

"And jesus said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins." John 8:23-24 KJV)

Jesus said He is te bread that came from heaven for the world. But unfortunately, not all will believe on Him. Only for those that believes.

("They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? [31] Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. [32] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. [33] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. [35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. [36] But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. [41] The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. [47] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. [48] I am that bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. [58] This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." John 6:30-33, 35-36, 41, 47-51, 58 KJV).

The above passage is also one of the many prove that Jesus had been in existence before the children of Israel came out of the land of Egypt. The Jews during the bible days hated Jesus because He claim to be the same with God and they saw Him as a Holy person without sin, because of this they killed Him. They never knew it was for the scripture to be fulfilled, that His death and resurrection might bring salvation to those that believe.

This is where I will stop for now about Jesus.

dareabiola98: Now!!!....I tend to weep,when I see intellectuals who actually don't want to think deep.Every christian at least most of 'em speak as though the world started 2000years ago wen jesus was born.God says in the holy Qur'an,And there's not a generation to whom a warner has not been sent.Now,I'd like you to answer me,How old is the earth.Nobody asks you to believe in other scriptures,Adam never called jesus,Nod didn't,Abraham didn't and all the prophets in ur book didn't(audhulillah,Will they Go to hell?)They all called on the creator of the heaven and the earth,even jesus.Now ur saying the bible does not ask u to believe in mohammad(saw) but does it ask u to believe in jesus as god!..I can show u various places where Mohammad(saw) was prophesised in the bible,but u wouldn't know.Because that veil is still in ur eyes.All these things started when this english men took the bible,started making crosses,and painting the pictures of jesus like he was an european.Go back to the language jesus spoke(Aramaic,an acient form of hebrew) and u'll be amazed @ what u'll find out.Jesus was given revelation,but he didn't speak english,yet u call his book the bible,he didn't even know of it,all these things seem strange to his teachings,he was a preacher,yet u made a god out of him.Language changes things,n causes confusion and that's why God said in zephaniah....we shall give to mankind a pure language that they may call upon the name of the lord,we see this in no religion but Islam,60% of the people that have the whole qur'an commited to their brain can't even speak arabic,some can't even read the qur'an,yet they had committed it to their brain,this alone is a miracle of that prophecy itself,we were not brought up with arabic but call any 3yr old boy(mislim) and aks that he reads a verse in the qur'an to you,he'd read in arabic yet u do not ponder,the bible has been interpolated on various forms,Why? Because there's not 1 copy if there ever was,of a bible in hebrew or aramaic.And they say the original content is in greek,well jesus neva spoke greek.That bible wc u are holding isn't even complete.there are 7 extra books in the catholic version,What if u r missing one of Jesus's message there,Mathew was reduced to 1-3rd chapter from d original book(they claim).Its all so confusing that why God said he's not an author of confusion in the bible.Most 8tians are here to criticize(god knows ur heart,even this story/thread was not created in thruth (allahu 'alam) but May The God guide us all.quote author=jpiliya]Its obvious you are not looking at this issue the way I am seeing it if you read this you will have noted that non of you actually condemned the rest but just suleiman which was what I wanted you to see but that was not my main aim, neither neither would flogging them do, but correcting such right from time is what I want... even you too have noticed wrong practice amongst muslims.
one of those wrong practices is
1. insulting/decicrateing prophets of allah (which was the op)
2. Showing desparity amongst prophets
3. Puting ethnicity above (at the deptriment of) true islam teachings
4.etc
Yes correcting these and many of such would save the day @golpen some other wrong practices I see amongst muslim are: (though am not sure they are wrong but if they are not, forgive me for seeing it so
@empiree. Hop you wont see this as looking for trouble (lol....)
1. Using of charms and amulets (mixing islam with juju/Babalawo/some other deity)
2. Drinking arabic inscriptions as some sort of good luck charm ( I dont know if its islamic though)
3. Rejoicing over the demise (misfortune) of others (especially non muslims)
4. Ridiculing / inciting/ hateing other religions (many muslims do this which make me wander if islam teaches ridicule)
Many Many Many things I see and wander if ISLAM encourages all these (THAT WAS WHY I EARLIER SAID I WAS SO SO INTRESTED IN THE RESPONSE TO THE OP)

Well this I may say is because muslim tend to cover their wrongs with/by doctrines of the religion
You may not agree with me but muslim try to portray it as since they follow the footsteps of a perfect prophet mohammad they are equally doing a perfect thing ( even in their wrong doings)
And me personally I see it that since islam is not just a religion but a TOTAL way of life (that muslims live) then every thing they do(right &wrong) is islamic... which am not far from the truth except if you will tell me that many many muslims are not practiceing true islam which will mean hypocrisy (hell bound)
christianity does not recognize mohammad as a prophet (atleast his messages are not in the bible). So if the question is asked vice versa i'll say christianity does NOT condone/encourage/ support desecration of mohammad or any religion AGAIN in the same vain christianity does NOT encourage christians to raise head and shoulder in defense of mohammad or even Jesus when he is desecreted. Since mohammads' messages were not recorded by the bible I dont understand HOW a bible believeing christian (no matter how small) will believe in mohammads' messages which were not biblical.

dareabiola98: Now!!!....I tend to weep,when I see intellectuals who actually don't want to think deep.Every christian at least most of 'em speak as though the world started 2000years ago wen jesus was born.God says in the holy Qur'an,And there's not a generation to whom a warner has not been sent.Now,I'd like you to answer me,How old is the earth.Nobody asks you to believe in other scriptures,Adam never called jesus,Nod didn't,Abraham didn't and all the prophets in ur book didn't(audhulillah,Will they Go to hell?)They all called on the creator of the heaven and the earth,even jesus.Now ur saying the bible does not ask u to believe in mohammad(saw) but does it ask u to believe in jesus as god!..I can show u various places where Mohammad(saw) was prophesised in the bible,but u wouldn't know.Because that veil is still in ur eyes.All these things started when this english men took the bible,started making crosses,and painting the pictures of jesus like he was an european.Go back to the language jesus spoke(Aramaic,an acient form of hebrew) and u'll be amazed @ what u'll find out.Jesus was given revelation,but he didn't speak english,yet u call his book the bible,he didn't even know of it,all these things seem strange to his teachings,he was a preacher,yet u made a god out of him.Language changes things,n causes confusion and that's why God said in zephaniah....we shall give to mankind a pure language that they may call upon the name of the lord,we see this in no religion but Islam,60% of the people that have the whole qur'an commited to their brain can't even speak arabic,some can't even read the qur'an,yet they had committed it to their brain,this alone is a miracle of that prophecy itself,we were not brought up with arabic but call any 3yr old boy(mislim) and aks that he reads a verse in the qur'an to you,he'd read in arabic yet u do not ponder,the bible has been interpolated on various forms,Why? Because there's not 1 copy if there ever was,of a bible in hebrew or aramaic.And they say the original content is in greek,well jesus neva spoke greek.That bible wc u are holding isn't even complete.there are 7 extra books in the catholic version,What if u r missing one of Jesus's message there,Mathew was reduced to 1-3rd chapter from d original book(they claim).Its all so confusing that why God said he's not an author of confusion in the bible.Most 8tians are here to criticize(god knows ur heart,even this story/thread was not created in thruth (allahu 'alam) but May The God guide us all.quote author=jpiliya]Its obvious you are not looking at this issue the way I am seeing it if you read this you will have noted that non of you actually condemned the rest but just suleiman which was what I wanted you to see but that was not my main aim, neither neither would flogging them do, but correcting such right from time is what I want... even you too have noticed wrong practice amongst muslims.
one of those wrong practices is
1. insulting/decicrateing prophets of allah (which was the op)
2. Showing desparity amongst prophets
3. Puting ethnicity above (at the deptriment of) true islam teachings
4.etc
Yes correcting these and many of such would save the day @golpen some other wrong practices I see amongst muslim are: (though am not sure they are wrong but if they are not, forgive me for seeing it so
@empiree. Hop you wont see this as looking for trouble (lol....)
1. Using of charms and amulets (mixing islam with juju/Babalawo/some other deity)
2. Drinking arabic inscriptions as some sort of good luck charm ( I dont know if its islamic though)
3. Rejoicing over the demise (misfortune) of others (especially non muslims)
4. Ridiculing / inciting/ hateing other religions (many muslims do this which make me wander if islam teaches ridicule)
Many Many Many things I see and wander if ISLAM encourages all these (THAT WAS WHY I EARLIER SAID I WAS SO SO INTRESTED IN THE RESPONSE TO THE OP)

Well this I may say is because muslim tend to cover their wrongs with/by doctrines of the religion
You may not agree with me but muslim try to portray it as since they follow the footsteps of a perfect prophet mohammad they are equally doing a perfect thing ( even in their wrong doings)
And me personally I see it that since islam is not just a religion but a TOTAL way of life (that muslims live) then every thing they do(right &wrong) is islamic... which am not far from the truth except if you will tell me that many many muslims are not practiceing true islam which will mean hypocrisy (hell bound)
christianity does not recognize mohammad as a prophet (atleast his messages are not in the bible). So if the question is asked vice versa i'll say christianity does NOT condone/encourage/ support desecration of mohammad or any religion AGAIN in the same vain christianity does NOT encourage christians to raise head and shoulder in defense of mohammad or even Jesus when he is desecreted. Since mohammads' messages were not recorded by the bible I dont understand HOW a bible believeing christian (no matter how small) will believe in mohammads' messages which were not biblical.

dareabiola98: Why do people follow their churches...there's not a thing that jesus commanded that you're doing.You are saying Islam sweet talked a prophet it had sent. 1. Believing that Jesus died on the cross is discrediting his prophethood or holiness as it is seen in Deuteronomy 21:22-23.You believed he died on the cross,we don't.A prophet wouldn't as the bible claims. 2. There are so many derogatery statements which the bible claims jesus(as) made,calling his mum 'this woman'..calling the jews 'fool' after he himself had said 'whosoever calls someone a fool shall enter jahanam(fire). And so on.I can keep on going. Am not attacking your faith as nobody had done before u came in 2 a thread u weren't invited to and started badmouthing our scripture.To u ur religion,and to us is ours...if u want to know the truth,leave ur church and follow jesus as 1.he believed in 1 god 'behold O! Israel our God is One. 2.He performed salat,'and jesus went further gethjasame and fell on his face abraham did,aaron did,all the prophet in the bible did but u don't,yet u claim u love jesus and follow his teaching yet u follow those that have digressed from it

Judek2: Nope.. The Koran sweet talked him to ridicule.. In simple mathematics, its T+T= T.. But T+F= F.. (T = true, F = false)..

Christianity accepts him as the all true, that's why we worship him, the muslims accepts him as partially true, that's why they ridicule him.

What's the point? Accepting him as sinless, yet rejecting his purpose for bring sinless.. A black spot is easily noticeable in a white garment, a giant can be Toppled by a single stone.

Fulaman198: I don't like this kind of mentality. This is a form of segregation. Everyone should have a matter to speak on any topic. I also don't like it when people say "this is Islamic" or "this is Christian". Religion is a way of life that teaches one to be caring and open to others, not condescending and mean. God/Allah/Dieu/Geno/Olorun whatever you would like to call the all mighty said we should accept others based on their differences. That said, I welcome Christians to learn about true Islam, and for Muslims to learn about Christianity. When people know more about one another, it breaks tensity and friction.

noblefada: Why do u wnt a private conversation?

noblefada: *sighs* here comes another ignorant Muslim trying to prove something is knows nothing about. I'll not even waste my time replying, its a futile effort, because when I start giving facts u will either run away or avoid them. I had similar experience with @ayenny02 (atleast) twice and just recently with @RoyPcain, so won't waste my time. But my advice to u, why not go n defend ur religion in the thread Muhammad was not a Muslim and Jesus versus Muhammad.

FOLYKAZE: Ur comments are true but are people ready to learn...

You want one? I will provide them


book

Which one is the word of God among this four different bible?
1. Protastant Catholic Bible has 66 Book in Total
2. Roman Catholic Bible has 73 books in total.
3. Greek / eastern Orthodox Bible has 78 books in total.
4. Ethiopian Orthodox Bible has 81 books in total.

^^^^if you are a protestant, then those remaining books in other bible forfeit authentication of your own book as the word of God.



chapter, verse
- The ending chapter of the book of mark verse 9-20 is not in the original manuscript

- Jeremiah 8:8
New International Version (NIV)

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?



prophecy


deut 18:22
"If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

false prophecy

According to Gen 15:18 the Jews will occupy the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. (Geographically this is untrue); According to II Sam. 7:10, the Jews shall never lose their land and shall be disturbed no more. (Untrue: displacement and theft of land including the reign of the ottoman empire, British control after WWI, and the 1923 distribution of Israeli land to the Jordanians, not to mention war in the mid-east, the holocaust, continued oppression, etc all serve to discount this passage). According to II Sam. 7:16, King David's throne and kingdom shall be established forever (Historically untrue); Isaiah 52:1 states that No uncircumcised person will ever enter into Jerusalem (This requires no comentary.); In Isaiah 17:1: Damascus will be reduced to a heap of ruins (This Didn't happen); (Isaiah 19:5-7) and the waters of Egypt will dry up (This Didn't happen).

If Deuteronomy 18:22 is true, then the bible cannot be the word of god, because it presents unfulfilled prophecy

Mighty Sparrow: just point to one book, chapter, verse, prophecy, doctrine that is not from God and suggest another scripture for christians.