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Nemesis4you:
Lol

There is no such thing as free lunch in this world

For example don't want to name but know of a country in Africa who receive USAID and such and whose ministers are called anytime and made to dance to the whims of the donors

Funnily even certain evangelist groups in US determine the domestic policies of that country ( bec in the 1st place they lobbied for the aid to the said country )

So much for USAID lol

On point, no free meal; for them to give out, they must have taken something or taking something not saying USAID is badd, it's very good even Israel that receives heaven and earth help from USA have their job in the middle-east as us allies.

Faithful007:
Generally much of the Soviet bloc is underexposed and have a sizable racist population especially in the rural areas. I have a few friends in Russia and sometimes they tell me very bad experiences.

However why many Africans support Ukraine is just due to the Western factor, not as if they love Ukraine.

USAID alone sends about 40 billion in aid per year. When Russia starts to do stuff like then we can talk. Let me not begin to talk on western investments in food security, economy and the energy sector.

Russia only wants to send weapons and mecenaries to Africans because they envy the west and are desperate for CONTROL. If they really love Africa then they should invest in Africa and not push war machinery alone. Africans are not born to fight each other.

Even China is doing a better job than Russia.

Ukraine not USA, of-course USA has done more for Africa than Russia after and before soviet union break-up. Their first impression was bad and used Africa as an information warfare tool for their grain crisis

kabe1:
The stupidity of some Africans supporting Ukraine in it's war against Russia.

I can never understand the stupidity of Africans many of them in this thread supporting Ukraine, when the Ukrainians and there media are openly racist against Africans.

Lol, like it's not the same Russia despite their war torn border are sending like over 100 trainees to CAR or delivered Sukhoi jets to uganda or so... They're training all those poor african states like CAR and Mali to be independent and have capable military men, reason why they can now stand up against the french occupation. Russia can't compare Navy to Navy with NATO in terms of size or airforce to airforce with US in terms of size, but they're great allies; willing to sacrifice a lot in terms of equipments for their allies even when it doesn't align with their best interest. Look at my guys from Ukraine that went there to school, till now they haven't settled them just sitting duck in Nigeria looking for new ways to continue their education because they have been abandoned but the Indians and other nationalities have been settled since the start of the war. They had to fight tooth and nail and trek miles so they don't carry guns and fight another man war, after all the trekking; they didn't want to allow them through the border, after mass complaining from Media, they allowed them with massive racism in Poland.

Segun2222:
turkeys advantage is geographical location which will soon change... erdogan still got slapped uncle sam ate their f35 payments and still back the Kurdish codedly we can only analyse based on what we think is true

Why did they eat their f-35 payment, isn't it because they bought s400?..... Why do you think Erdogan is turning to Putin for the kurdish situation?..... Why do you think he was in syria with Putin?... If not thesame kurdish situation..... He basically bitch slapped us back because us wanted to isolate putin but look at their core member raising hands with Putin not up to a month

Segun2222:
then what's turkey doing in nato and still getting slapped yet still one of the most contributors? i dont know much about India though

They are in nato but snaky Erdogan still going about his daily business despite USA warnings.... NATO needs turkey more than turkey needs NATO because of their geographic location. They just chase their best interest no matter the sides, buying s400, meeting with Putin in syria then donating tb2 drones, then opening their banks for mir payments.

MAN1960:
August 24 Libya shot down US MQ-9 reaper near Benghazi Airport


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5JHdy7DrM

Later information comes out that it was shot down by pansir air defence system

Tinfoil:
For an African country it would be a very good deal, right?

Yh probably because it will be cheap and another option since Russian sanctions. But there's turkey too and theirs are proven

Tinfoil:
The Chinese uh60 copy; z20, seems to be better than the original

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xo9mk3W2dU

Don't say that, even the propaganda video doesn't do justice to it; They are trillions dollar economy, have all the money to create R&/D and fast track it . Turkey didn't need to copy to create the spectacular agusta or South africa Rooviak.... There's beauty in ingenuity, but great heli all the way

Segun2222:
would you rather be uncle Sam's puppet or vlad's puppet which do you think will benefit you the most

Or rather be your own puppet like india and turkey

Rumors about a us made Reaper drone being shot down in Benghazi. Nothing on yet, what shot it down; that's to show drones still have a long way to go especially air defences and electronic warfare

kabe1:
Documentary with English subtitles from the battle of Mariupol.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQVPmEN73w

Damn, it's out!!!!!!

jl115:
well done!!! I can also qoute wiki........ Also when did I mention Russia?? When did I even once mention Russia? My statement was purely around how I feel doctrine is just as important if not more important than training...... I said nothing about Russia or SA for that matter...... But hey... If the shoe fits

, Lol, Read the quote you replied before looking at your present reply , and let me see your wiki source too

Lurker4Long:
This is true. Here's where jl115 is coming from:
The Angolan military learned Soviet doctrine and never adapted it for local conditions. And it didn't work.

If it's from that angle, then he is absolutely correct then

jl115:
Bru your doctrine is based of past experiences and objectives.....wtf are you talking about our doctrine not making us a super power? What ret@rded argument is that? If you want to have a proper discussion then come with a proper response.

Do you even know what doctrine is?

And FYI copying doctrine that works is what all militaries do, that's why there are multinational exercises and workshops to learn from allies.

FYI our doctrine with regards to guerrilla and Coin warfare is legendary and has been copied by basically the entire world...the SAS(and other SFs) has based its doctrine from the South African commandos.... Even the word commando is South African of origin.

Look at the US deployment in Afganistan.... You can even clearly see South African doctrine applied by US troops.... Doctrine which we developed 60 years ago...

from our famous wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_doctrine

Military doctrine is the expression of how military forces contribute to campaigns, major operations, battles, and engagements.

It is a guide to action, rather than being hard and fast rules. Doctrine provides a common frame of reference across the military. It helps standardize operations, facilitating readiness by establishing common ways of accomplishing military tasks.

Doctrine links theory, history, experimentation, and practice.[1] Its objective is to foster initiative and creative thinking. Doctrine provides the military with an authoritative body of statements on how military forces conduct operations and provides a common lexicon for use by military planners and leaders.

Russia or USSR then had their unique doctrine that was entirely different from the norms, and they produced weapons to suit their doctrine and it worked for them very well. I'm citing wiki as a common source here and I never said your doctrine was bad, neither did I say South Africa didn't create an independent doctrine. All nations have theirs but the soviets' doctrine is vastly different from common norms, so don't use your perspective to judge them because you guys won a bush war fostered by one of its allies. It may not work for you or look archaic to you and nothing worth mentioning but that's them, how many tanks were lost by soviets in Afghanistan or similar weapon losses; at the Soviet way of fighting brings about lots of losses in personnels and equipment but at the end they mostly achieve their goals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_doctrine#Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union

The Soviet meaning of military doctrine was very different from U.S. military usage of the term. Soviet Minister of Defence Marshal Grechko defined it in 1975 as "a system of views on the nature of war and methods of waging it, and on the preparation of the country and army for war, officially adopted in a given state and its armed forces."

jl115:
Who said anything about following our doctrine? I said doctrine is important, however either your doctrine works or it doesn't.

What it drives at the end is thesame doctrine thingy e.g adopt western heavier tank model as the frontline, using of apcs and apv, changing their airforce model of fighting.... All this are impossible, unless you're trying to change them to be someone that they are not. You that are claiming the doctrine working or not, has your doctrine made you super-power and stand toe to toe with the creators of your doctrine before. You are just basically copying someone else own because you have no choice due to you being majorly a consumer and not a producer. Why didn't the so-called doctrine save Europe from being conquered in almost 2 year, lasting days,weeks or even months but the one looked down on and shamed then due to their low quality weapons turned the tides of the war with American land lease weapons. Doctrine is just another BS

jl115:
Personally I feel doctrine is the most important, I mean you can train all you want but if you are training the wrong things/tactics/strategies ect ect then it also counts for nothing.

Doctrine, lol not everyone can follow your doctrine or the doctrine you feel is correct.... What I will say is to improve on their doctrine, you mustn't necessarily follow other perseceptive

Our maritime sector and navy was truly transformed in this past 8 years, from NNS Lana to a very high decrease in piracy in our waters.

Lurker4Long:
Has the geriatric conceded yet? 77 and wanting to lead Kenya!

Atleast he is better than the one, we have here..... Over 80 years old by estimate

kabe1:
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Nigeria has over shown off with this ship

Tinfoil:
This is nothing new during the cold war both sides deployed hunter killer satellites and parasitic satellite on each other. Mir had the capability of shooting projectiles. There were also plans for nuclear missile on the moon.

I know it's nothing, that was then..... This is now bro, competition spurrs on development. Spacex launched us secret latest satellite, Russia sees it and launches theirs which usa accepts has similar capabilities because they were trolled by launching their rocket the moment the spy satellite passed. Now Chinese has built their own space station and Russia is leaving ISS, since cold war ended; it is basically a new era bro. That was the main point of the vid

Off-topic: Massive trolling, immediately the spy satellite passed the iranian launch site; that's was when they launched. A lot of things going underneath that we don't see, we are about to enter a new era of space innovations. USA made the right decision creating a space force


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US6-niSgiAo

Omofaye99:
There will always be countermeasures for both drones and aircrafts agreed. But when it comes to drone it limit loss of human resources for a mission that can be done using drones, because it can operate deep into enemy territory..somewhere a manned attack craft will think twice before venturing cuz it suicide.



Of course..but with time we might see it in full action and when this is achieved..it will limit the use of manned aircrafts be it attack or fighter.

True, correct.... That's if you lack air defences or air defences not tuned to discover it

Omofaye99:
Why not, with enhancement in AI system whereby drones can operates in full autonomy and also increment in weapons payload.

Jamming is just one of the ways, As drones are improving, counter measures are also improving. It's a two sided game..... AI is still in its infant stage to be used in realtime warfare

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-12/germany-suspends-military-mission-in-mali-after-troops-blocked

Germany suspends military ops in Mali, I have different assumptions here; Is the reason economically or the training of Mali military by wagner or it's not more productive again for them again

ItooWorWor:
The bold.

I think since a drone can actually do the work of an attack craft with USA mainly use drone for it ground attack while it invest more on fighters than attack craft, it no brainier that in few years attack craft might be swap for more advance drone that can do the job with human resource loss.

If US soo trust their drones, why don't they send it to Ukraine?...... Drones are very susceptible to jamming like Iran did and developed their drone industry. It's best in reconnaissance in real war situation and assisting artillery in correction of fire. Drones are best for single targets kill mission, like the one trump did to the general and the latest from Biden. Remember as drones are advancing, also ways to bring them down are also advancing too especially with the latest exploits in electronic warfare

Stormtrooper11:
Peace, apologies.

Feel free to raise your points anytime, you have all the rights to be angry; Don't let others reasoning, shoot down your opinions. If not for your questions and reasoning, I won't have seen it in a different perspective. Our media likes to make everything look like doomsday both during pdp and apc tenures.

Stormtrooper11:
Exactly. If you noticed my presence here, I always commend, post pictures and proffer solutions. I just criticize one day and everyone showed their true colours. No offense but this is kinda annoying. I'm on American forums on telegram and they criticise alot too and debate situations, instead I was attacked and called names.

I'm not surprised why we're in this situation anymore.

American forums remember, you can't be washing our dirty linen on an African military thread na.... You don't see kenyans or Southies doing that.... Best place would have been the sister thread, battlefield discussion thread and it's normal; even american threads are the worse sometimes, especially those woke gen z geeks sometimes

Stormtrooper11:
No one said there is no hope. Where there is life, there's hope. The issue I've with yall are your attempts to shut me up for criticizing the deployment and the Federal government stance. Everyone have high expectations for Nigeria. Why should I wish Nigeria bad while I was born here? Nigeria took 50 athletes actually to the commonwealth and also have a great fintech sector but I'm also kinda in the fintech sector. I can't much any more longer, yall will say I'm "demarketing" Nigeria.

Since, yall want me to be a hypeman or fangirl, i might just shush. I thought this place was made of military enthusiasts and patriots but seems I'm the odd one here actin like the black sheep.

Your points are valid, there're a lot ill things going on especially with the insecurities. But as well as some things aren't good and buhari has failed in alot of aspects, there're the good parts especially infrastructural wise and military buying wise. But remember boko haram has been basically neutralized in the north-east but they now spread infiltrated everywhere in the nation. But what caused this to happen?.... It was the negligence of the nation since the 60's in cutting out the rot in the police force. Naira devaluation keeps increasing, but steps are being taken and the nation is adapting but magic can't be done; we can't import dollars from thin air that's why you're seeing fintechs rising, start-ups coming out like water to fill in the holes left by oil industry as our dollars bringer. But that doesn't mean we should be complacent, the government had thoroughly failed in various areas; what we need now is Solutions not complaints.

Flanker:
TOS-1 220mm Heavy Flamethrower System

loved this weapon performance in ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl5dravsA0c

Exnavyboy62:
It's like every nation is trying to claim it's a regional power to reckon with. Russia pounding Ukraine, China has its eyes set on Taiwan, Turkey giving Syria the bad eye. As for Israel, all I can say is the Palestine government is incompetent for not protecting it's citizens.
The U.S finds it difficult to assist Nigeria with weapons for use in it's counter terrorism operations because of human rights concern but it's sells weapons, give training and support to Israeli forces who violate the right to life of innocent Palestines, such hypocrisy

It's all about benefits fam, you can't blame them.

Russia started SMO, turkey started theirs in Syria; now Israel has started theirs in Gaza

Lurker4Long:
In arty there are direct fires and indirect fires. Indirect by definition is beyond los. Now, when some slowpoke claims an indirect system whose range is limited to 30km is better than a 60km range system, one rightly has to wonder about their sanity. Especially when that same slowpoke comes here a few years later and extols the virtue of Russian long-range arty over the very same short-range systems used by the Ukrainians, that they'd previously praised.

See where I'm going with this?

What are you cooking?