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OLAADEGBU: Evolution is refuted in this short videoclip. Check it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWecPwrQv2c?list=PL1v9pqs4w1mxRVplL9I5Pq_qQH9jy8b1V

lol....150 years of peer-reviewed science refuted in 2 and a half minutes...lol!... olaadegbu...do you know the concurrent fields of research for evolution that cross-confirm it?!
They range from;
avatism and vestiges
insertions of erv in genes
conjoint centromeres of ape chromosomes in the 23rd chromosome of humans
morphological and anatomical evidence i.e the fossil record
apparent emergence of new species evolving through isolation or introduction in new environments etc
I literally directed you to peer-reviewed evidence of evolution [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html [/url] ...but did you bother reading....no...you simple posted a 2 and a half minute video to refute 150 years of research

OLAADEGBU: Your sophistry knows no bound as pointed out below:

1. You ad that humans and dinosaurs did not co-exist without showing us the historic or scientific facts.
3. You assumed that creation breaks newtonian laws of gravity with magic.
4. You assumed that evolution is a work of science when it is not.
5. You mistake science for evolution and say that we should take you serious.
6. You end up with the use of Ad hominem as the usual atheist co-out.

lol,i "assumed" "creation science" is a fraud?! ... please can you mention one peer-reviewed "creation" model that has with falsify-able evidence been used to understand any phenomenon?
Secondly i asked you to indicate my fallacy of complex question...and as usual olaadegbu you've jumped from that current accusation to accusing me of making assumptions here which i have not made atall...it goes to show how pathetic your position is.. the constant goal-post shifting needed to clear away answering any questions that you are unable to...
i advise you to keep concurrent the topics others have presented to you as seperate from mine...
And indeed creationism is a fraud because it relies on various con-man tenants i would outline for you here;
1. The equivocation of terms;
Creationism has employed childish equivocation of terms to deceive the ill-informed into presenting itself with a valid stance of authority on scientific terms...
An example of this is the common claim that "creation science" is valid...when it holds a presupposition of the bible mythology being factual...presuppositions do not exist in falsify-able science and childish methods such as:
"if creationism is a religion...evolution is a religion too"
"if creationism is a fairy tale...evolution is a fairy tale too"
"evolution is just a theory" etc
2. The absence of peer-reviewed research;
any "creation science" outline is never presented for general publicized peer-review but given out to men and women whom were indoctrinated into the same form of religious extremism and whom have taken "statements of faith" to denounce anything that goes against the presuppostion..that-is to say "creation scientists" self-approve their own research and have taken "oaths of faith" to denounce anything that goes against it....you olaadegbu should be familiar with your answers in genesis "statement of faith" which as your founder ken ham has said is " By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."
with that said....a creationist can forever deny every piece of evidence that goes against the "scriptural record"..virtually forever,by an oath of dogma
3. Methods used;
Creationists employ many methods to confuse the issue...my number three point will have sub-categories
I. GOAL-POST SHIFTING
you olaadegbu as with all creationists are fond of this.... when you are presented a question as i have presented you so many times to define what a "kind" is... i am given "loose definitions"....loose in the aspect that the definition can be changed at any time to suit any purpose you wish it to be...from creatures that can breed successfully to examples like "cat kind,dog kind,human kind"...and when pointed out as to give a defining barrier between the arbituary definition you move away from the topic....
II. IMPROPER USE OF SCIENTIFIC DATA AND MISREPRESENTATIONS
This is what drives "creationism"....now your fond of making "carbon-14 is wrong" statements so i'll start there.....now before a divulge on this i would like to first explain what radio-metric dating is....it is somewhat the study of the age of objects using the known decay rates of radioactive elements/isotopes ...with that said certain materials require specialized methods for accurate dating...and this dating ranges...from estimated chronological years using known samples around the artifact to "radiocarbon-years" etc.... now a creationist would just have to date a tree layer fossil found in a rock using varying methods...get bogus readings and use such readings to bolster his rebuttals...
Also olaadegbu you are familiar with your favorite misrepresentation...the "evolution is not a science" claim using elementary definitions of science as being testable and observable...,when evolution has been observed through various speciation events i.e emergence of new species...like the croatian lizards that after being introduced to a new different environment displayed the exploitation of new environments as presented in darwins' "origin of species" to develop enhance favourable traits in the population necessary for survival...the lizards developed organs that were non-existant i.e the cecal valve..
to learn more examples of such...here is a link [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html [/url]
III. NON-SEQUITUR
Creationists are fond of using unrelated terms to either assume positions,question positions or even avoid positions...your goto non sequitur is when discussing about evolution which is the study of bio-diversity you immediately jump to the origins of life as though evolution were meant to answer it...and then again jump to the origins of the universe ...this is also part of misrepresentation that creationists use....and the fact that this is done on purpose and willfully to fulfill all the listed con-man methods and deceive the masses' is morally wrong..
All this reasons makes me ask you how proud you are to lie for your mythology by employing such ill-methods just to bolster your version of religious extremism and are just few examples i can write-up at the moment as to why "creationism" is a fraud...

OLAADEGBU: The fallacy of complex questions.

willfully point out my "fallacy"...i reckoned a noble question as to how you bold-headedly smear scientific data you have no understanding of just to bolster your version of religious propaganda a.k.a creationism... or do big words hurt your head?

GJames: Were the airplanes not designed? Did they get advanced by the law of nature?

airplanes vs biological processes....make sense please

I suggest reading up on "speciation events" and "ring species"....to learn about evolution...

light basically existed long before eyes,so also other physical phenomena existed long before light itself....gravity is older than light if you consider the inflation singularity model a.k.a "the big bang" but what i find very amusing is that if you claim light was "created" by "god"(to be more precise the basic christian folklore of one)... then you have to ask yourself what "god" was ruling under...for you see the christian folklore describes the mythical being as being ruler of "light" and inhabiting in it(if mythical beings can inhabit things such as spectrums lol )...and given the folklore of the christian "god" itself it can't inhabit "darkness" not even merely because of the perceived "magical" character given to it but because by christian mythological logic a.k.a "the bible" that too would be in need of "creation".....conundrum 101...christian theists can you divulge more on this....

Olaadegbu please i'm confused on how you can look at yourself in the mirror knowing fully well that creationism is a fraud to pull back the fading whims of christianity...
I mean how desperate do you have to be to have predispositions about mythical humans and dinosaurs co-existence?..
How desperate do you have to be to believe a man could break newtonian laws of gravity with magic
How desperate do you have to be to try to demote centuries of research with which honest working men and women have devoted their entire lives for the study and understanding of natural phenomena to be represented by models,theorems and mathematical cause and effect representations
Marie currie if i'm not mistaken lost a loving husband and became irradiated due to radio-isotopic research...and just because of 2000 year old literature of violence and paradoxes you intend to scrutinize something multitudes diligently and patiently aimed to study at the expense of their lives for your future?..shame on you!

Here's a free thought....theists tell me always that life on earth is specialized to be coherent with certain conditions.....i pose a simple question....how is it that an alleged omnipotent being is bound to make life 'specialized' to 'conditions'....omnipotence hints ultimate creative freedom....not 'specialized conditions'....an omand it wouldnt be a conditioned object.....anything conditioned posits limitations...so theists what were " gods' " limitations for making life conditional

striktlymi: The Bible is not complete because it does not contain everything there is to reveal by God.

why did "mere mortals" choose which books were meant to be in the bible....if all of it is "god's word"?...

firstly foslink i'm an atheist....secondly....the bible i believe is indeed incomplete...the roman church clipped away many letters and poems meant to be included in the book,namely they were;
Removed from the old testament:
The book of the covenant ,referenced in ezekiel 24;4-7
The wars of the lord,referenced in numbers 21;14
The book of statutes,referenced in 1st samuel 10;25
The sayings of the seers,referenced in 2nd chronicles 33;19
The book of shemaiah,referenced in 2nd chronicles 12;15
The acts of uzziah,written by isiah,referenced in the bible in 2nd chronicles 26;22
Removed from new testament:
Epistle of jude,referenced in jude 3
prophesies of enoch,referenced im jude 14
An epistle of paul to the laodiceans,referenced in colossians 4;16
many more stupid boring books were taken out in favour of books that were populous(apparently "god's word" was changed by popular vote)

This 7 minute video explains perfectly why [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-j8ZMMuu7MU [/url]

hollandis: Foolish thing

Thank you...

hmmmm,my story...
I wanted to know if what was forced down my throat was true....and it utterly wasn't... that's all it took....I watched the atheist experience show on YouTube and also watched some evidences for god....the something from nothing argument held me in theism for a while till I realized "nothing" is undefined...to state a nothing is improbable talk Less of something emerging from the undefined nothing and then when "nothing" is defined it becomes a something, conundrum :-) what was before everything is also improbable because space is what permits physical phenomena...so so many intriguing topics led me to atheism...although I still respect those who hold beliefs who will admittedly use logic and reason to examine themselves....

Ebola(depending on the type) has mortality rates(depending on which of the known five types she has)..so it isn't a surprise that she survived(pending if the report is valid)....

My morality is defined as giving service to all humanity,giving,carrying and being good to everyone who don't pose a threat to myself...and causing minimal harm so as not to be paid in kind(actions carry equal reactions)....

Nano-silver is ofcourse a pesticide, anyone learned with chemistry knows nano particulates are very reactive....silver and gold are the two least reactive elements at the macro scale but very reactive at the micro scale...

No,religion doesn't hold people from being very educated....only protestant and extremist religion does....like creationism and protestant Christianity.....belief when taken admittedly as a belief poses no harm to people...

I'm sick of pretending to be a theist in public,it's freaking nauseating....
"god" is this the mafia based "love" I have to join or burn forever?, I'll gladly burn...

Creationist apologetics is derived of arrogance where any lay man is deemed able to refute scientific propositions without even a basic knowledge in the refuted field of science and mostly lacking the data to do so,for example the below extract from answersingenesis tells of a creationist' favorite strawman dubbed 'information'...
What 'information' is would never be specified...as of their 'kinds' classification would never be specified also...as of that those terms mean whatever a creationist wants them to mean...thereby allowing indefinite goalpost shifting..
What is 'information'?
How is it measured?
What amount of 'information' is lost?
The rudimentary image displays dogs getting smaller,is size "information"?

Weah96: Whoever posted that link should be castrated, lest he spreads his useless genes into the pool. You're not making sense either, but at least you're saying that it was God who waved a magic wand and prevented 3 eyed babies from showing up. The link ignores incest entirely.

ignoring evidence is the Motto of creationists

Omooba77: Be unto you according to your faith........

no tall tale...tell me when cancerous lumps stop being cancerous....

Hmmmm healed of cancer Cancer is suppressed not "healed" and it takes years of radio-therapy and chemo-therapy....
And please Omooba77 can you specify when a cancerous lump ceases to be cancerous?....because it's similar of claiming that water ceases to be wet...

Intelligent design from the creation "science" perspective is a logical fallacy....

Hmmmm let's see die bleeding and vomiting to death and at the end of the day get roasted forever in "hell"....
This is the very definition of evil....

I would advocate for women to choose for themselves, they would be filled in on the advantages and disadvantages and also put through rehabilitation if the need be...

BabaGnoni: It is all down to the algorithm of the DNA (i.e. does conditional statements ring a bell with you?)

beside tap dancing around the question,what algorithm?.. And elaborate on a specific conditional statement where the conundrum I gave would be exceptional....

Baba gnoni I offer you this conundrum,answersingenesis admits of beneficial mutations along with disadvantageous mutations but only along the confines of micro-evolution to which they believe is different from macro-evolution....
Now I ask how can there be advantageous mutations or in plain simple terms genetic functions that help an organism to be better suited to its environment if it was perfect at the "beginning"....
Doesn't this highlight that it wasn't perfect to begin with

I actually re-registered(nairaland hack attack deleted my account) just to comment on this..
The religious folks around me are all saying its "god's" doing...I just get shocked and then ask of what use is killing thousands when the allegedly being is called "all-good" and "moral"..... I really don't get their psyche of how the alleged "god" is good for killing anyone and osama bin laden gets to be called a terrorist....