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johnydon22:
I agree with you science and superstition are born of the same source, in fact science is advanced superstition that has replaced God(s) with empiricism.

i treated this on my thread Songs of the world

[b] Many would think that superstitions and science are irreconcilable opposites,
rivals in a world mesh of ideas but that i would argue is wrong.

Superstition was a very shouty stage in the evolution of what we now call
science.

Let us bear in mind that while in this age, superstition is consonants with the
ideas of science, it is none the less an elder sibling to the established
discipline of science as they are both children of one parent which is
Philosophy …

_Philosophy is a projection of human enquiry, a leap of the mind into the
unknown trying to resolve the known to merge with the unknowns that may
lurk within, and so Philosophy birthed more of questions that it ever had ever
given an answer.

And this philosophical insolubles gave birth to the path ways of their answers,
approaches employed for their satisfaction and thus superstition was birthed
first as an offshoot of a naturalistic troubling problem and thus has evolved
through the course of human history, science slowly evolved from within,
speculations began to arose more often leading to disagreement and
arguments and the need for substantiation became dire thus empiricism was
spiced into the deductive means and science was born.[/b]

https://www.nairaland.com/3145298/songs-worlds-johnydon22

you may like to check it out

bamidelee:
Former Governor Fayemi of Ekiti legislated the wearing of hijab CAN didn't raise any eyebrow
What I noticed with Christians is that they don't expect anything good from Muslim's
Aregbes achievement in this state has not been matched by anyone

johnydon22:
If a picture of the earth is provided i doubt if you can be able to distinguish it from the CGI so is there really any need when you will still end up holding on to what you want and feel should be?

johnydon22:
That you are a carbon based life four main elemental composition:

-Hydrogen
-oxygen
-carbon
-nitrogen

That you live in planet earth, a tiny blue organic dust floating in a vast deep and dark space trapped in the chains of an average small star having a cosmic dance in between the orion's arm of the galaxy.

A gigantic monster of organic worlds and suns all in a cosmic dance of unparalleld chaos and resulting harmony.

and one out of billion other galactic monsters, a universe filled with so much stars and planets that we yet cant quantity their number.

And you are but a mere miniscule blink in the cosmic play, an existence of a millisecond, sadly irrelevant in the gigantic cosmic duration but beautiful and as quickly as a blink comes it goes.

A child of nature, a child of earth...

These are the facts

donnffd:
Oh, now i realize...you are a troll, ddnt know, my bad...

johnydon22:
I bolded the word Believe to clarify the weight of that opinion, you believe you do not know.

So it is still the same method of filling a gap left by ignorance with 'belief'.. that is a mark of uncertainty because belief in that context is an affirmation of uncertainty but yet the will to accept I don't know is lacking.

That to me is a mark of ego, unable to agree ignorance when it is surely there.



For an engineer to assemble the Airbus A380 the materials needed were already existing, most even older than the engineer.

the engineer did not materialize the materials out of nothing by talking to it, he rather configured the already pre-existing natural materials to meet his own desired end.

'knowledge' further more always has a foundation, an inspiration. You just cannot know something when there is 'nothing'

so there cannot be design when there is 'nothing' and again no such a thing as 'all knowing' when there is nothing to know in the first place or any pre-existing inspiration.

e.g: to get inspiration behind the design of aeroplane, it is the natural manifestation of 'bird'

so if you assert 'God' a designer of the universe then the materials must have been pre-existing before then and again an inspiration already in place.

To assert a deity that materializes the universe by 'speaking or vomit' connotes magic not design..

Further more here you are trying to explain nature because of it's intrinsic manifestation with an even more intrinsic value that somehow needs to be specially exempted from causality and the design allegedly complexity suggest.



'belief' if we rowed on such a boat of uncertainty, imagine if science worked like that.

'I believe the sun is silicon' instead of probing to eventually 'know'

'i believe the earth is flat'

No my good sir such blind leap of faith is dangerous to our intellectual evolution, does not even answer the question rather but makes one feel good with assumption, substitutes 'gut feelings' for what is true.

and more severely prevents one from probing to actually ascertain the truth of the subject since 'belief' already filled that void.

This has always been the story of human intellectual development, the sad strive of science always dispelling 'belief' tried to be pulled out as truth, deductions based purely on 'gut feelings' than empirical grounds.

Like Heinrich i quoted above does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

this was the sad truth of great minds of the past like Ptolemy, Aristotle, plato, Newton limited by their employment of superstition at the limit of their knowledge.

Ptolemy could not understand the planetary motions he invoked God (zeus) to fill that gap of ignorance and that terminated his curiosity since he already thinks he got the answer.

Newton came along and answered the question, developed calculus, theory of gravity and motions and explained so well the natural mechanics behind the motions of the celestial objects.

then he came to the problem of solar system stability, he got to his wits end instead of simply agree and accept ignorance therefore leave the door open to further his probe and find out.

He invoked God tolling the same line Ptolemy did, placing 'God' at a place shielded by a curtain of human ignorance.

showing God(s) as a projection of human ignorance.

Leplace came along, solve the problem of solar stability and when asked where God fit in simply answered 'sir i have no need of that hypothesis' because he had figured out the natural forces and interactions responsible and there was no 'god' needed or any necessary.

The answers newton got canceled the 'god' of ptolemy, Leplace canceled the 'god' of newton.

Now we are faced with the problem of 'universal causality' a place of scientific blindness yet and we are already hearing 'already conceived answers' based on 'gut feelings and beliefs'

god did it

Again placing god at a place of scientific ignorance, if that is the only place God can be invoked in order to be relevant then like Neil Digress tyson said "God will always be an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" getting smaller and smaller and irrelevant with more discoveries.

I rather suggest my good sir "we agree and accept ignorance at places that we lack knowledge [mark of intellectual humility and honesty] and in that throw open the window of discovery.

Let us throw away the whole notion of 'belief' and try to find things out and derive certainty

johnydon22:
I bolded the word Believe to clarify the weight of that opinion, you believe you do not know.

So it is still the same method of filling a gap left by ignorance with 'belief'.. that is a mark of uncertainty because belief in that context is an affirmation of uncertainty but yet the will to accept I don't know is lacking.

That to me is a mark of ego, unable to agree ignorance when it is surely there.

How has the so called space exploration benefited mankind?


For an engineer to assemble the Airbus A380 the materials needed were already existing, most even older than the engineer.

the engineer did not materialize the materials out of nothing by talking to it, he rather configured the already pre-existing natural materials to meet his own desired end.

'knowledge' further more always has a foundation, an inspiration. You just cannot know something when there is 'nothing'

so there cannot be design when there is 'nothing' and again no such a thing as 'all knowing' when there is nothing to know in the first place or any pre-existing inspiration.

e.g: to get inspiration behind the design of aeroplane, it is the natural manifestation of 'bird'

so if you assert 'God' a designer of the universe then the materials must have been pre-existing before then and again an inspiration already in place.

To assert a deity that materializes the universe by 'speaking or vomit' connotes magic not design..

Further more here you are trying to explain nature because of it's intrinsic manifestation with an even more intrinsic value that somehow needs to be specially exempted from causality and the design allegedly complexity suggest.



'belief' if we rowed on such a boat of uncertainty, imagine if science worked like that.

'I believe the sun is silicon' instead of probing to eventually 'know'

'i believe the earth is flat'

No my good sir such blind leap of faith is dangerous to our intellectual evolution, does not even answer the question rather but makes one feel good with assumption, substitutes 'gut feelings' for what is true.

and more severely prevents one from probing to actually ascertain the truth of the subject since 'belief' already filled that void.

This has always been the story of human intellectual development, the sad strive of science always dispelling 'belief' tried to be pulled out as truth, deductions based purely on 'gut feelings' than empirical grounds.

Like Heinrich i quoted above does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

this was the sad truth of great minds of the past like Ptolemy, Aristotle, plato, Newton limited by their employment of superstition at the limit of their knowledge.

Ptolemy could not understand the planetary motions he invoked God (zeus) to fill that gap of ignorance and that terminated his curiosity since he already thinks he got the answer.

Newton came along and answered the question, developed calculus, theory of gravity and motions and explained so well the natural mechanics behind the motions of the celestial objects.

then he came to the problem of solar system stability, he got to his wits end instead of simply agree and accept ignorance therefore leave the door open to further his probe and find out.

He invoked God tolling the same line Ptolemy did, placing 'God' at a place shielded by a curtain of human ignorance.

showing God(s) as a projection of human ignorance.

Leplace came along, solve the problem of solar stability and when asked where God fit in simply answered 'sir i have no need of that hypothesis' because he had figured out the natural forces and interactions responsible and there was no 'god' needed or any necessary.

The answers newton got canceled the 'god' of ptolemy, Leplace canceled the 'god' of newton.

Now we are faced with the problem of 'universal causality' a place of scientific blindness yet and we are already hearing 'already conceived answers' based on 'gut feelings and beliefs'

god did it

Again placing god at a place of scientific ignorance, if that is the only place God can be invoked in order to be relevant then like Neil Digress tyson said "God will always be an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" getting smaller and smaller and irrelevant with more discoveries.

I rather suggest my good sir "we agree and accept ignorance at places that we lack knowledge [mark of intellectual humility and honesty] and in that throw open the window of discovery.

Let us throw away the whole notion of 'belief' and try to find things out and derive certainty

donnffd:
I would assume you havent killed someone before with a gun(if you have, more grace to your elbows).

If i asked you to take a gun, point it at your mother and shoot, would you?

why wouldn't you try it out?

you havent shot a gun before

you cant just believe what they say about guns without trying it yourself nah, can you?

ValentineMary:
Your statement is not quite logical. In science we constantly stand on the shoulders of giants and great scientific findings. He can't make all the findings himself but he can read articles from trustworthy sites and journals. Or do you think Faraday would have invented electricity if he did not study and trust sir Humphrey work? But faith gives no room to new and innovative research since it claim to have all the answers which in reality it does not.

oglalasioux:
Unlike your bible there are evidences for the formation of the universe including that of our solar system.

Cosmic background radiation is one evidence that gives us a compelling reason to believe the big bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. Rocks and meteors tell us that the supernova that gave birth to our solar system happened 4.5 billion years ago.

Science is not faith. Science is evidence. I wasn't there but nature left marks that makes me believe the origin of the universe can never be your biblical story.

Thanks for your contribution.

johnydon22:
Yet still you are still invoking God as the placeholder for ignorance, that same thing you are accusing others of.

We may propose a "intelligent being (God) hypothesis" but it must remain within the confines of a hypothesis and also we cannot employ special pleading like exempting this 'God' also from causality and need for design cus that outrightly means we can then not consider pulling of such a hypothesis in the first place.

You say you only invoke 'God' at the place for the 'birth of the universe' this is still the same act of 'God of the gap' argument.

You or i or anyone else do not know what or how the universe was birthed and so now that we have reached a climaxing point of our knowledge when our mind is being disturbed by this humongous uncomfortable ignorance.

You choose to invoke 'God' to fill the answer instead of simply just saying I do not know.

I think that is intellectual dishonesty my brother and such invocation of an uncertain assumption to fill a gap of knowledge is consonant with science.

In science you must be comfortable with admitting ignorance, you must be humble enough to agree i don't know rather than trail that same line of intellectual laziness i'd also say intellectual egoism like you rightly pointed out at the start of your post.

Paul Heinrich Dietrich, Baron von Holbach [1770] once remarked:

" If a faithful account was rendered of Man’s ideas upon Divinity, he would be
obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word ‘gods’ has been used
to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed;
that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known
causes, ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or
as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty,
terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods . . . When, therefore, he
ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon . . . does he, in fact,
do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to
which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

This is exactly what you are doing here bro

Kondomatic:
And if she mistakenly dies a virgin then Muslim terrorists will shagg the living daylight outta her when she gets to the other side.

oglalasioux:
The sun is the core of a larger star that exploded 4.5 billion years ago. The debris of that star is what formed our solar system. The weight of the sun on the fabric of space is what governs the motions of the planets and therefore life itself. The nuclear fusion going on inside the sun will continue for another 9 billion years. So don't worry. The sun ain't going nowhere yet. In 9 billion years, mankind will find a way. Never worry.

KenModi:
Keep decieving yourself. There is no God/god or life after death; just eternal darkness after death.

Everytime I see a muslim girl Arab/African, all covered up in those things they wear on their heads, I feel nothing but pity with these words on my mind: "Sorry dear you have been decieved"!

Likewise Christians, decieving themselves since 2000 A.D

Religion is truly the opium of the people!

JIGHU:
SIMPLE MY FRIEND, JUST ESTABLISH ONLY MUSLIMS SCHOOL AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM SECULAR SCHOOLS....WE ARE NOT IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY

BrianX40:
You're really a big fool and a smiling goat. Ode ni. Oloriburuku ni ehh.

Luckylife:
THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.
What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed bysomeone else.They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].
*.Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.
*.Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
*.Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
*.Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
*.Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
*.Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.
*.Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).
*.Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
*.Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
*.Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
*.Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
*.Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
*.Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.
*.Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.
*.Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
*.Married his daughter–in–law.
*.Approved prostitution.
*.Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
*.Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
*.Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
*.Advocated suicide attacks.
*.Executed apostates and homosexuals.
*.Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
*.Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
*.Beat alcoholics. Lied.
*.Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
*.Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
*.Tortured a man out of greed.
*.Looted and plundered.
*.Preached hate for people of other religions.
*.Extorted money from other religions
*.Forced conversions to Islam
*.Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
References to prophet Mohammed’s crimes: Do you no ?

Ravenna:
hijab is harmful, it has kill millions..
It's banned in White house, Frence courts, FIBA, Sarajevo etc.

victorazy:
This ur allah love tot0 o

Luckylife:
Are you justifying the actions of those Islamic extremists or you are consoling your religion with this ? What is bad is bad no matter which angle you view it . Read the unedited history of Muhammed and you will never remain the same I bet you.

Luckylife:
Are you kidding me ! The last I check Christian are the most peaceful, tolerant and accommodating in the world . Are u blind or deaf to hear the number of innocent souls that have been kidnap, convert , raped ,married off and even killed in the name of Islam ? The capital of a Muslim country is Islamabad if you can't understand. See what happened in kano , kaduna etc

FASHYLEE:
[b][/b]Abasha! Irritating talk!! Idiotmatic Idea!!! Mtcheeew does the covering of the head stop them from commiting atrocities and their devlish acts?? The so called OMO ALHAJI and OMO ALHAJA esp #Child of the world

FASHYLEE:
[b][/b]Abasha! Irritating talk!! Idiotmatic Idea!!! Mtcheeew does the covering of the head stop them from commiting atrocities and their devlish acts?? The so called OMO ALHAJI and OMO ALHAJA esp #Child of the world

truthspeaks:
Y not tel d Muslim bodies too to also plan to move d country forward aftr they practise d religion of piss...sory...peace

ravensburger:
Thats what those bloodsucking terrorist religion propagandist deserve....always trying to dominate other religion.

MrMcJay:
Na him be secretary for the meeting. Person wey no understand Wetin dey inside Al-Quran.

Useless hypocrites, if them wan born pikin, na to run go America cos them wan born citizen. Why not go to Saudi?

mikki123:
Aregbesola is an extremist, it will take an extremist to defeat him. CAN should come out with their own mode of dressing.