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Muller actually started personal training earlier as he wanted to bulk up. Van Gaal wants to use him as the main striker to accomodate Toni Kroos as attacking midfielder and he needs to be more muscular to handle European Central defender. I personally think Muller would initially struggle as a main striker but over time, He would adjust |
Katsumoto:The Military coup of 1966 was linked to the crisis in the west. And Awo's willingness to embrace a military boy as VP showed he just wanted power at any cost. How can a democrat and intellectual like Awo rubberstamp a government like Gowon's who had no ideological and constitutional standing If Awo had been less selfish or sought redress legally and constitutionally instead of the "wetie" and arson that prevailed things would have been different in this country. Many people were terrorised by Awo led A.G and Adedibu-like people that they had to run into the Government house in Ibadan and turned the place into a mini refugee camp, these were the stuffs that led to the military intervention of 1966 and we slid into the pit. The military coup of 1966 brought several military guys who had no business in governance into it and they ravaged the country for over 30yrs afterwards |
Jarus:This is my own point too. grew up reading Awo is good Akintola is bad. I read things by myself, asked questions even though my father forbade political discussions at home(Especially First Republic ones). I found out that the Awo thing was more like a myth. Awo is great but not as much as we think Akintola has been demonised by the media and the Awo sympathetic group since Awo himself outlived Akintola for over two decades |
So what was the Awolowo legacy? Chief Awolowo*sThis is one thing I stand by. If Awolowo had played his cards differently and has been more matured, We would never have witnessed demons like IBB, Abacha, OBJ and co rule this country Awo would rather serve under a semi Illiterate 29yr old soldier than work with Ahmadu Bello as long as he has access to Power. That shows his obsession After the civil war, I was passing through AbeokutaThat buttresses the selfish streak in Awolowo, While he was Federal Minister of finance and defacto VP under a 29yr old soldier, His loyalist were living in abject penury |
Katsumoto:My grandmother is from the same compound as Akintola and used to tell us how they would see Awolowo coming to their compound to visit Akintola regularly in the 40's and 50's when the going was good. She was a trader and moved to the North with her husband as typical of Ogbomosho people and became very involved in Plateau politics. She was a prominent political figure in her locality in Plateau State/ Nasarawa State( Akwanga). She was an ally of Solomon Lar who actually sent represntatives to my naming ceremony in the South West. She was a major supporter of Bagudu Hirse NRC candidate in Plateau gubernatorial election of 1992. Bagudu Hirse lost to Fidelis Tapgun. She died in 2000. My dad never allowed us to be political and the only thing he told me was how he escaped from Adeyemi College in Ondo at the peak of Operation Wetie by Awolowo loyalist. He had Ogbomosho tribal marks and was easily spotted. I dont belong to any political party never voted and I consider myself a supporter of AC, AD etc (See Fasholas campaign thread here on Nairaland) my research are just basically an academic exercise and revealed the truth about the myths sorrounding Chief Jeremiah Oyeniyi Obafemi Awolowo |
The pattern of killings left nobody in any doubt thatA diversion: The last paragraphs shed some light on the Easterners outlook then and the remote causes of the civil war. |
So why didnt TOS Benson join the A.G why did he join NNDP? He found that Awolowo was impossible to work with |
Katsumoto:Katsumoto. Most of the stuff you posted are also opinion of people too I wasnt born during the first republic and I depend on what I read. I have read a lot in support of Awolowo that potrays Akintola in bad light. I grew up believing this. I actually thought to myself that I need to find out more for myself. If I have read 10 articles 8 would be lauding Awolowo 1 neutral and 1 lauding Akintola. I decided to find out for myself If you look at it critically, Anyone would notice that in that crisis, Akintola was the more matured person, He was the one who was wronged by a domineering and selfish friend. I listened to one man who was telling how Chief Awolowo met with party faithfuls on the aftermath of his loss to Shagari in 1979 and was planning to disrupt the government. One young man behind just raised his hand and asked if Awolowo can lead the uprising and they can start from Ikenne. Awo cursed the man immediately. That was his leadership STYLE |
When the Action Group broke up into the AwolowoThis shows S.L Akintola was a rallying point for Yoruba politicians compared to Awolowo who was fighting everybody. Akintola was the more matured person and leader. TOS Benson Vice president in NCNC even decamped to NNDP. I first heard about this when I was in OAU ife when one lecturer from Ilesha told me how bad Awolowo was, I thought he was blaspheming the Legendary Awo but when he explained some things, He was a supporter of Chief Fadahunsi of the NCNC from Ilesha I never knew much about Akintola aside what my grand-mother told me but reading all these makes me even more proud to be from the lineage of the 8th Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yoruba land |
ain we must consider the fact that Chief AwolowoDid you see evidence that Awolowo kicked against the party advice and went against all advise to Lagos to battle Sardaunas slave. |
The problem with Chief Awolowo is that he was obsessedExcellent Points. Because Akintola went about his case in a very matured manner while Awolowo was the more violent one made people to think of Awolowo as larger than Life Chief Obafemi Awolowo wasKatsumoto take note of the part in BOLD It is time we woke up to the fact that every achievement, every stride taken by Western Nigeria in the first republic was the handiwork of the Action Group rather than of the man Awolowo. It follows therefore, that every Western Nigerian who had cause to be grateful to Awolowo should equally be grateful to Chief S.L. Akintola and other Yoruba leaders of the Action Group without whose collaboration and input the successes arrogated to Chief Awolowo would not have been possible. Take Chief Ayo Rosiji, for instance. He was recognized within the Action Group as the party's master planner and strategist, so much so that Chief Awolowo personally nicknamed him the professor. I wish to emphasise that all that was done for and in Western Nigeria, were not Awolowo's personal 'achievements but that of the Action Group as a party. |
Before Independence, the federal parliament was Chief S. L. Akintola's turf where he performed the duties of Leader of Opposition intelligently and effectively with a joviality that earned him the love, respect and admiration of a wide spectrum of Nigerians cutting across regional, tribal and political boundaries. Chief Awolowo within weeks of his arrival in the Federal House of Representatives created for himself the image of someone with a chip on his shoulder whose mission in the parliament was to do battle with other parties whom he perceived as his irreconcilable enemies. The other parties responded in kind by going out of their way to slap him down, cut him down to size and rub his face in the mud. The fact that the leader of the Yorubas could be so trampled upon gave other tribes the courage to kick the Yorubas around like football. When Chief Akintola left the federal parliament to become Premier of Western Nigeria he went with a reservoir of goodwill from the constructive, effective, and contagious humour with which he had conducted his opposition. Yoruba public servants in the federal service found him easier to complain to, than the unyielding Chief Obafemi Awolowo http://www.dawodu.com/agbe1.htm |
Also during behind the scenes negotiations to form theThe truth is now coming out here |
Again we must consider the fact that Chief Awolowohttp://www.dawodu.com/agbe1.htm We can see how Awolowo's overbearing ambition led to his humiliation in Lagos despite being warned by Party leaders not to go to Lagos unless he was going to head a government. Sardauna sent his boy-boy, But Awolowo chose to go and battle a boy-boy when the main man was chilling in Kaduna/Sokoto |
This post is being used to malign the person of Chief Awolowo, Akintola was a political heavyweight not doubt, but he was too ambitious.What do you mean by he was too ambitious? Can you give us actions that suggest he was too ambitious? And what was wrong |
So, we were writing papers for him in Oke-Ado, Ibadan every two weeks. So, those were the papers that Awolowo then took to the party and Akintola was opposed to it. Akintola said if a man had agbada, he must not have buba. If he had buba, he must not have sokoto. That was exactly what caused their problem. Akintola had become premier by then, so he said why should Awolowo be organising people to write philosophy for the party. That when Awo was premier, they were writing for him as premier and that since he (Akintola) had assumed the premiership, they should be writing for him. He felt that Awo was out to undermine him, and said no, things could not continue like that.This quote actually showed what the issue was, The part in bold showed how overbearing Awo was. Akintola was premier yet Awo was doing a lot of covert stuff to undermine him. If you are made a governor and another an-ex governor was giving orders (Almost similar to Tinubu-Fashola) Would it be reasonable for ppl to expect fashola to just be a stooge of Tinubu? The point is Akintola refused to be a stooge of Awolowo. Since they are equally educated its an insult to take orders from anyone. An Aare Ona Kakanfo for that matter. |
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Katsumoto:That is the main point, Akintola won in court. He followed legal and lawful recourse whenever any issue arose while Awo and co resorted to violence and civil disturbance with the help of Adedibu and co |
4play and Sagamu. What are the evidence that the girls are overaged |
To further show you where Adedibu learn his trade of thuggery from A masked A.G supporter was said to have taken over a radio station at gun point when the Premier S.L Akintola was to give a speech and given the reporters his own tapes to play. That definitely where the thuggery of Adedibu and co had their roots While Akintola was following the rule of law to the letter, the other side was breaking it everyday |
Katsumoto:How can Adedibu a member of the AG be a lieutenant of Akintola in the NNDP? Is this part of the demonise Akintola propaganda? While Akintola was alive, Adedibu was never a member of NNDP. Secondly, Akintola won in court after Rotimi Williams had been barred from representing Sir Adesoji Aderemi. Why was Rotimi Williams, the finest lawyer of any generation prevented from arguing the case for the AG. Yes Akintola believed in the rule of law after aligning with Balewa and Bello who ensured that the result went his way with Awo in prison.Rotimi Williams was barred from court for what reason? definitely there is a legal explanation for it. If Rotimi Williams was barred he as a lawyer should seek redress in court instead of the AG instigating their Adedibu supporters to "wetie" Are you from Oyo state? Cos it sounds like you are biased.I am from Oyo State. And point to any of my statements that biased. If you believe that Awo was aligning with Ghana to attack Nigeria, then you will believe anything. Operation wettie symbolised the people's displeasure with being put under the control of someone who appointed by Balewa.Balewa appointed Akintola? I thought he was made premier by the AG and when he had problems within the party sought redress from the court and won So was balewa the leader of the AG who made him Premier or Balewa was the Judge who gave a decision in his favour. A.G thugs carried out what can be termed as the will of the upper echelon. Akintola never encouraged any of such. In the cross carpetting issue, why didnt the Akintola led A.G tell people to go wettie of NCNC members? Rather they sought a constitutional way of getting the upper hand instead of Arson that the party resorted to after Akintola left it. |
Another point is that Akintola was a person who believed in the rule of law. He sought redress in the court time and again and he won while the Awo faction resorted to war and riots (wetie) I guess this was where Adedibu learnt his trade. Its on record that Awo because of his overwhelming desire to rule was aligning with the Ghanaian people to attack the country and he was jailed for it. Whether its true or trumped up, The case remained till date. The Akintola group went to court which is the right channel and won while the Awo group went on the streets employing people like Adedibu to wetie |
Jarus:Spot on Jarus. Ahmadu Bello held forte in the Northern region and sent his servant Tafawa to the Federal level, Awolowo chew the bait and went to battle with someone who was inferior to Bello just because he wanted to rule. The point against Akintola was that he didnt step down for Awolowo when Awo lost in Lagos. Ati ti oje bo olosa lowo, O ku baba eni to yoo bo. |
Akintola on the hand was a political love-peddler and an opportunist, I would not like to have such as a friend because when the tide turns against me he would jump ship and jump ship he did.This doesnt make sense at all can you expatiate and relate this to Akintola's actions "jump ship" how? opportunist how? Love peddler How? How was Akintola an opportunist in a party he was leader and Premier? If anything, Akintola followed all the rules, when he had any problem he went to the court to seek redress as a well learned man. Theother side resorted to wetie, violence and arson |
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With all you have said, I do not think Chief Akintola did something all that untoward. He was Premier. The buck stops on his table, and he should take responsibilities for the failure or otherwise of his actions. One would not expect him to take orders from Chief Awo even when he became premier. The whole thing should have been sorted out in an election. But nobody had the patience to wait. It is noteworthy that Chief Akintola never had any issues with Chief Awolowo before he became the premier. In other words, Chief Akintola was a loyal deputy. Chief Awolowo's ambition caused all the problem. Infact it caused the problem of Nigeria as it is now. And it was a noble ambition. But once he lost out at the federal level, he should have laid low. You wont expect a full grown politician like Chief Akintola to kow tow when he is in charge. Many of the AG programmes like the building of the university in Ile Ife was undertaken under his watch. But they were AG programmes and Chief Awo chaired many of the committees. I am sure Chief Awolowo himself can not come out and say Chief Akintola did anything wrong in principle |
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waiting for Katsumoto |
This is what Akintola's sins areAkintola was Awolowo and AG leader, How come he needed to align with the Northerners? What made him align with the Northerners? Was it the Northerners that made him party leaders pre-1959? You are skipping some important points Akintola as at 1959 was party leader of the AG by 1962 he needed support of the Northerners to win a court case, What happened in between that made a party leader need the help of the Northern leaders, Why and How did he fall out of favour? Fact was Adedibu was an AG member he was never a NNDP member so I would think Adedibu probably was in AG and Awolowos camp rather than in Akintolas |
Ola Olabiyi, Thank you very much. I was waiting for them to open the main issue but they have dribbled around it. Akintola's main crime was that he did not vacate the position of the Premier. Have we asked ourselves in that situation who was being unreasonable? |
KnowAll:In all you said you havent stated what Akintola's sins are How did the leader of AG become all these things you attached with him. How you managed to associate Adedibu with Akintola is ingenious Adedibu was an Action Group member and I am not sure he joined the NNDP which Akintola founded. How you now managed to link Akala also with Akintola deserves a nobel prize in conspiracy theories For Gods sake tell us how Akala and Akintola are related |
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