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Eldee,

I am talking about current achievements but if you wan go history lane be my Guest

Germany
World cup 3 gold 3 Silver
European cups 3 gold 3 silver

European U21 They are in the finals.
Euro U19 Winner
Euro U17 Winner

I dont know the history of all these competitions

You can check it yourself So who wins ?

Kaka 8.5
Xavi 8
Gerrard 6.5
Lampard 5

I'm not I am. . . . . those German blokes ain't really as bad as we sound 'em out 2 be - just watch a couple of games and u'll see better.

Personally, me thinks with the exception of a handful of clubs, the EPL is not it at all!

Ruudie you seem to be the only wise guy around.

I ask them why Hamburg Pummelled Aston Villa, and Man City

And Wolfsburg raped portsmouth Black and blue.

In their UEFA cup group of Wolfsburg, AC Milan, Braga and portsmouth , Wolfsburg topped and Portsmouth could not leave the groups.

The last time Bayern played Man Utd it was a home and away drubbing.

All the mighty Arsenal invincinbles Vieira, Henry, Lehman were thoroughly disgraced by Pizzaro and Salihamidzic.

Why do EPL clubs get disgraced in the UEFA cup!!!

and that is why they get whooped by those who do

Biina definitely not by Real Madrid. Madrid is our permanent Bootay call

Ok Italy has a claim

List out their achievements at all level

U are a monumental disgrace. . . . . .Figo captained Barca when they had Guardiola, Aberlardo and Sergi.

Wait OGRE, Figo captained Barca is different from Figo was Barcas Captain.

Rooney captained Man Utd in some games means Rooney is Man Utd captain?

Common sense evade you as always

Nah. . . . .i expect him to sign for Bayern Munich!!
You do be surprised how DDK will turn to his biggest fan!!

Bayern dont sign gay idols, winkers and serial divers

UEFA U17 Germany won
FIFA U17 Germany 3rd
UEFA U19 germany won
UEFA U21 germany in the finals

World cup 2006 Germany 3rd place
Euro 2008 Germany Finalist.

Now tell me any nation better than the germans in Europe

It is you and DK that claim to have watched a player in xyx year and saw his ability at pur event. I don't make such claims and find them often irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Its nobodies fault that I started watching soccer much longer and I pay attention to what I watch, The ones I didnt watch, I try to read about them from Footie magazines(World soccer, football Italia) pre internet days.

Its not my fault either that you started following soccer post Abramovich or after the Invincibles. So you should just try and learn and you would get there son

Instead of Sharon Claiming Figo captained Barca That had bros like Aberlardo, Sergi, Guordiola and Nadal.

Or Sharon claiming that Man Utd defeated Inter Milan in 2002/2003

THIS!!!!

Dayokanu is the biggest culprit and i stopped believing his rants the day he saw Rio Ferdinand in the United team that spanked Villa at OT last season.
When Villa were leading, Dayokanu was busy criticising Rio Ferdinand who wasn't even on the bench(never mind playing on the day).
I have seen all kinda dorks on public forum but DK takes the cake.

Can you bring out quotes on the said ocassion and display your folly once more OGRE

@DOBO,
There are clubs and there are CLUBS

Bayern have agreed a fee with Netherlands top flight outfit SC Heerenveen for Croatia international Danijel Pranjic. The left-sided player will now ink a three-year deal keeping him in Munich until 30 June 2012. “Pranjic is a very versatile player, and was one of the names at the top of our new coach Louis van Gaal’s wish list,” commented FCB chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

Bayern agreed personal terms with Pranjic and his advisors some three weeks ago. The German and Dutch club’s directors met on Monday to settle the remaining details. The player switches to Munich for an undisclosed fee.

http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2009/19849.php?fcb_sid=38e3f71e9faa1fa6b9946e5e2e52b938

UEFA U17 Germany won
FIFA U17 Germany 3rd
UEFA U19 germany won
UEFA U21 germany in the finals

World cup 2006 Germany 3rd place
Euro 2008 Germany Finalist.

Now tell me any nation better than the germans in Europe

England vs Germany FINAL UEFA U-21.

Where is Dayok

Right here

@Muki,
person dey arouse u for there abi wetin concern Agbero with overload
leave me joh

Tkb,
Who else would be doing that to her except moi

Jeez,

Believe me I wrote a piece on this in 2006 Titled the wasted generation in reference to Wole Soyinka calling our generation a wasted Generation.

Rather I would say the generations ahead of us are the wasted ones they were the generation who brought our country into this mess.

They were the generation who killed their parents(Our grandfathers) because they wanted to rule at a young age when they should be learning.

Ahmadu Bello, Akintola, Tafawa were killed by this overzealous generation.

This was the generation our grand fathers invested a lot into but ate everything and gave their children nothing back.
Their mates in Japan and Malaysia who had the same investment took their nation to greater heights
This was the generation that enjoyed schorlarship anywhere in the globe but what did they give back? Which of them didnot enjoy Free education or schorlarship
Before their time, our country was respected everywhere in the world but they were the generation who brought corruption and drug trafficking that gave our dear nation a bad name.
They were the generation who enjoyed free education but could not give it back to their children.
They were the generation after being fed in Universities brought cultism into the system
They were the generation who went on rampage when their meal of chicken was halved, Ask them what they gave back
They were the generation who got a guaranteed car and job after graduation but handed down massive unemployment to their children
They were the generation who started ruling in 1967 and clung to power till 2007 bringing our country to ruin.

They were the generation who led our country to a need less civil war.
They were the generation who shut their parents down at will saying their parents were not educated and in their old age still wanted to dominate the next generation
They were the generation who wore bellbottom and mini skirts with giant afros and would complain about sagged jeans and spagghetti tops
They complained that we are immoral as if Fela wasnt one of them
Ask me who represented Nigeria better DBanj and 9ice or Ras Kimono and Majek Fashek

You need to see how women from other countries cream over naija men. They all say we gat class, are responsible and mostly educated.

British, English, Scottish all join

Is he not from that part of the Globe? Which British last won a Grand Slam.

Its like they packed all the duds and idiots in the world and crammed them into that Island

Favourites: Serbia, England.

This must look like a big Joke right now where is Tosic or Toxic

Definitely not Eunuch Adeboye.

Rather he would allow corrupt politicians to mount the pulpit and preach Since he who pays the piper,

Lucas Podolski wasn't the best young talent at the world. . . . . .Even an idiot knew what happened in 2006.
Ronaldo was leading until his altercation with Rooney and English fans voted Ronaldo off. . . . .Look at the careers of both players.
One went on to win the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Player Of The Year just TWO years later and the Nazi cannot even sniff the top 600 players in Europe.

You must be the most stupid of analysts. How many percentage of votes do the English fans and press hold to vote off Ronaldo and vote in Podolski.

Give all explanation Rooney had Herpes, Robinho had gonnorhhea, Messi was benched, Ronaldo winked or whatever The bottom line is Podolski won Best young player at the world cup.

What happens in their latter career does not count. Lentini was bought as a star whether he lived it up or not is not the point.
Shevchenko flopped at Chelsea does that mean he was not a star?

Common sense evade you.

Klose(pile of self-service). . . . . .Has he ever won the UCL golden boot or Bundesliga's golden boot?

Stop mentioning Bundesliga as a top league, u dork.
There's a reason your pathetic league supplies 3 teams in the UCL and EPL/Serie A and La Liga supply 4 teams.
Miroslav Klose's golden boot in the EPL is synonymous to Vagner Love's boot in CSKA Moscow and Andre-Pierre Gignac's golden boot in Toulouse.
Highest goal scorer at the world cup means shyte unless you want us to believe Gary Linekar was a legend in 86 and Oleg Salenko was the best striker in 1994 world cup. . . . .What a doofus. Best strikers conquer club competitions not just world cup tournaments.

Who can believe the same person typed the two statements within 24 hours. Instead of him to admit his goof he went on rambling like a castrated donkey

What stupid Serie A goal scoring record? Luca Toni is a disgrace.
Why hasn't he transformed his flash in a pan brilliance to Bundesliga(a weaker league to Serie A)

Simple question, Did Luca Toni break a 50 year Serie A record? if he did then you must be a consummate idiot.

GUFFANTI has done it again. . . . .
Van Nistelrooy won the pichichi in La Liga, Diego Forlan repeated the same feat just last season.
What else do u wanna tell us?

Has Man Utd ever bought a striker who was the highest goal scorer from the big leagues in Europe?

Has Man Utd ever bought a striker who was the highest goal scorer from the big leagues in Europe?

Did Man Utd but Forlan and Nistelrooy from La Liga? Why are you this daft. I thought you understood English language

He outclassed the same BIG players in Europe in 07/08 helping his team to win the Champions League in Moscow.
Where were Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho and Aguero? Nowhere to be found.
Tevez was also a part of the United team that had 25-game unbeaten UCL run not to mention other titles he won with Man Utd.

Lemme complete it Tevez outclassed just the way Fletcher outclassed gerrard, Xavi and Lampard because Flethcher won the CL.

It would be an insult to idiots to call you an idiot

Podolski(rubbish). . . . . .Bought as best young player at the world cup but rubbish in club games.
Klose(pile of self-service). . . . . .Has he ever won the UCL golden boot or Bundesliga's golden boot?
Luca Toni(another plank). . . . .He is the reason Italy are not doing well.
Franck Ribery. . . . . .An overrated piece of turd. He should look at Ronaldo and Messi and understand wingers can score 40 goals a season.
Roy Makaay. . . . Good player but his records pale in comparison to Man Utd's Van Nistelrooy.

Compare your relics to. . . . .

Wayne Rooney(The best young talent in 2004 Euros when United copped him).
Carlos Tevez(South America's most celebrated player)
Van Nistelrooy(Need i say more??)
Neumanja Vidic(The most expensive defender in Russian League).

We are talking about the ratings of the various players before they joined either Man Utd or bayern

Wayne Rooney was best young talent at the Euro cup, Lucas Podolski was best young talent at the world cup beating players from Brazil Argentina, Asia and Africa COMPARE!!!

Klose(pile of self-service). . . . . .Has he ever won the UCL golden boot or Bundesliga's golden boot?

You cant just miss any opportunity to goof GUFFANTI

Miro Klose was highest goal scorer in the Bundesliga in 2006 and German footballer of the year 2006
Before joining Bayern He was the hghest goal scorer at the World Cup and Silver boot at the 2002 World cup. Tell me any of Man Utd strikers who ever hAD THIS PEDIGREE

Luca Toni(another plank). . . . .He is the reason Italy are not doing well.

This is beside the point. He broke the Serie A goal scoring record of 50 years.

Has Man Utd ever bought a striker who was the highest goal scorer from the big leagues in Europe?

Carlos Tevez(South America's most celebrated player)

When the BIG players are in Europe the local champion was back home doing home based youngings. Since he came to Europe has he been ever mentioned in the same line with fellow south Americans like Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Aguero? he should go back to South America like Riquelme and claim his crown. THE VILLAGE CHAMP.

Neumanja Vidic(The most expensive defender in Russian League).

I am sure SWP was one of the most expensive players too and Darren bent

The debate is not about which is club has the stronger team, but about which is the biggest.
For me the popularity of a club (be it to a bald headed Tibetan monk or with the Baniwa tribe of the Amazon) counts towards an evaluation of it as a big club. The farther your reputation precedes you, the bigger the club you are

Jurgen Klinsman went to Bayern in 1995 the same year he was second in ballon D'or and third in FIFA player of the year.

The popularity of a club amongst non soccer playing nation is analogous to a black rapper from America who is unknown in Brooklyn, Queens, Compton and Bronx but hailed and has a large fan base in Warsaw, Vladivostoc, Pyongyang and Leningrad

None of the serial wankers in this list have the same profile Wayne Rooney had just before Man Utd signed him in 2004.
Rooney was the hottest property in the summer of 2004 after his exploits in Portugal.
Who the crap is Luca Toni or Klose compared to Wazza?

Podolski- Bought as best young player at the world cup
Klose- Highest goal scorer at world cup
Lucatoni- Highest goal scorer in the serie A broke a 50 year scoring record
Franck Ribery - Brightest French talent around
Lucio-  Veteran respected brazilian defender
Roy Makaay- Scored 9 goals in the champions league

Compare Wayne Rooney's pedigree to these guys. With facts too


Can you state the pedigree of Man Utd purchases that beat these

We are talking about Grand Slams you are mentioning Queens?

What is Queens? A hood in New York?

Wimbledon? Roger that!!!!

G'nite FBS. Night woulda been perfect if the silly Pharaohs didn't mess up. Exact same mistake the Super Eagles made during the last AFCON - womanizing the night before an important game, and underestimating the opposition.

Wednesday/Thursday can't come fast enough.

Criztal So we can say women are the problem of the world? Or how did the fantastic Pharaohs become self-service ?

I keep telling DayoKanu, the bundesliga is crap
GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

The captain of Brazil Lucio plays in the Bundesliga

Mohammed Zidan one of the stars of this tournament plays in the Bundesliga.

Before Toni came to Bundesliga how was his performance at World cup 2006?

Thank you HONERIC. Thats the one argument that makes sense.
All these clubs were in existence in the 50's so why did they not win.

If local leagues are not of equal strenght then come to the CL to prove yourself Clubs like Celtic have not done that.

Man Utd attracted Fabien Barthez, Peter Schmeichel, Wayne Rooney, Jaap Stam and Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

Bayern attracted Lucatoni, Miro Klose, Franck Ribery, Roy Makaay, Lucio

2. Similarly, Klinsmann joined Bayern in 1995 at the age of 31 from tottenham. He was on a downturn in his career and was not the star player you make him out to be.

The age a player joins does not matter. Figo and Zidane joined Madrid about 30 years old and to say Juergen Klinsman was not a star player is completely ridiculous He was placed 2nd in the Ballon D'or of 1995 and you mean he is not a star player i made him to be?

As to your argument about domestic leagues yes they are not of equal strenght thats why I would use the CL as the sole basis for rating.

If you go to South America Man Utd would not feature among the clubs being discussed there.

Man Utd being popular among Chinese and in places where football is not developed is B-S to me.

The main continents that are great in football Europe and South America where does Man Utd rate?
Its like measuring the popularity of footballers among teenage girls as a basis to judge the better footballer.
Left to teenage girls Beckham is greater than Maradona, Pele Zidane and Ronaldo joined together.

Tell us about the success on the field which is the real basis for assessing football clubs and how Man Utd beats Barcelona and Bayern in this.

Bayern attracted Jean Pierre Papin, Klinsman and Ballack. Aside Veron which big player.

Biina Using the same metric you brought forth Man Utd still does nt stand at 3rd unless there is an X factor you did not mention

Grizzly,

How can Andy Murray ever win a Grand Slam?

How can any English man ever win a grand slam in modern day tennis?

Go Federer!!!! ROGER that!!!!

@Debo,
Man Utd did not ATTRACT Cr7 as a big player he was developed there.

I considered success at both domestic and european levels

Bayern Munich Local league 21 DFB Pokal(FA cup) 14 CL -4
Barcelona Local league 19 Cope dey rey 25 CL 3
manchester Local league 18 FA cup 11 CL 3

history and pedigree
Bayern apart from winning 4 CL have lost in 3 finals

star players

Bayern: Franz Beckenbauer, Paul Breitner, Uli Hoeness, Sepp Maier (GK) Gerd Müller (FW), Matthaus, Oliver Kahn, jean pierre papin.

Barcelona: Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Lionel Messi, Hristo Stoichkov, Gheorge Hagi, Ronald Koeman

Manchester: Bobby charlton, george best, Dennis Law, Cristiano Ronaldo, David Beckham, Eric Cantona

value, revenue

Man Utd wins

player attraction etc.

Barcelona leads this hands down between Bayern and man Utd I dont know think any of them has attracted a BIG player The closest were Ballack in 2002 and Veron 2001.

I am interested in how your criteria makes Man Utd 3rd in Europe

The question was who was the biggest club and not simply who was the most successful in europe.
I considered [b]success at both domestic and european levels, honors, popularity, history and pedigree, value, revenue, star players, player attraction [/b]etc.
Outside of european success, I think ManU is tied or has a leg up on any opf the other clubs you mentioned.

You posted this as your metrics and the stats I brought forth does not agree with your conclusion. If you did you ratings based on the criteria you listed there is no way in Hell Man Utd would be third above Bayern or Barcelona