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Neuer with an outstanding save on Farfan

Hoping torres scores

Robben is drifting to the right and might leave Badstuber exposed on the left

Schalke have a decent team.

Draxler, Holtby, Farfan, Howedes Huntelaar are quite good.

If we can pressurize their Central defence Matip and Papadopoulous are quite young and might crack

Dortmund has 9 lives, they dont die easily

Robben playing on the left Muller on the right

StarBoard: A-40 is a Bayern fan.
Interesting.
My 2-cents is that I think Bayern have an excellent chance of regaining the title.
Dortmund don't seem the same since the departure of Kagawa.
If they win the games they normally should (home ties, vs newly-promoted sides), they should be able to put Dortmund under pressure.

I think Bayern reinforced the bench this season compared to last season when we had no bench or we had Pranjic, Usami, Petersen, Breno etc on the bench

The problem is if Dortmund gets eliminated early from Europe they would concentrate on the league as they usually do and have that advantage.

But if they can stay in Europe for a while Bayerns chances become brighter

I no get thoughts on them

Woke up 5 mins late cant change my captain again

Now is to hoping Torres plays sensibly today. You knw when you have hopes Keke Napep would run faster than a Boeing

Na wa ooo.

edoyad: I have this desire I'm longing for, Santi , Wilshere, Rosicky and Arteta in the bed one day. I hope the lord forgives me if it's a sinful thought

Why are you soo GAYYYY??

nateevs: You keep missing the point. The difference between tactical ingenuity and ordinariness is a factor within ones control.
You are claiming that RDM is better than Avram Grant by virtue of what they have won when the difference between them both is a slip at the wrong time - a factor which was totally out of either one's control.


If there is any attribution of tactical ingenuity, then it ended the moment PK started. Just like in 2008 as well.
For that reason, I can safely conclude the Avram Grant is just as good as RDM and what does that tell us?

If follow your logic, we can as well say Nothing is in the coachs control as long as he cant get on the field to play the game himself.

We can say there are no good coach only ones lucky that their players did the right thing on the field. Doing the right thing on the field is not 100% dependent on the coach

Then whats within the coachs control? The moment players get on the field all control lies with the players to execute the coachs tactics.

If a coach tell you to play A and you play B.

When Nani over dribbles atimes and miss opportunities to set up a sure goal, Was it Ferguson who told him that? When Robben chose to miss a penalty or when Gomez missed chances, Was it the coach that told them to miss?

When Ronaldo shot from the Halfway line to score against Porto was it Ferguson who told him to shoot that way?

Was it Van maarwijk who told Robben to miss chances and deny Holland their World cup? Or we can say Del Bosque was lucky to have won the World cup since Robben missed the chance to win it for Holland

By your submission we can say there are no good coaches only those whose players independently perform well

debosky: Muppets claiming 2 trophies in 4 months as if RDM orchestrated it to happen in that fashion. Did he win the CL and FA cups at different times to when they are usually won or something?

Dobolawin,

How did RDM plan it, Can you enlighten us? He planned to win Asoju Oba cup and mistakenly found that he actually won the FA cup or When he was sending his players to the field to play the CL semi , finals etc he was planning for Cech to be striker and Drogba to be linesman

Walahi, You need Alomo in your system.

nateevs: In addendum to what you have said, Dayo is creating a scenario with the Avram Grant that defeats his own logic.
If Drogba had slipped and we lost the CL, would that have been the difference between RDM's tactical genius and stoopidity.

We can go with the game of IF's and "Had it beens" till tomorrow. In most cases the difference between genius and stoopidity isnt much

Ballotelli tried some incredible flick sometime back it didnt come off, had it come off he would be a legend.

One Pastor in Ibadan went to the Lions cage and was eaten. If he came out alive, he would have been a genius.

Maradona scored the greatest goal in World cup history dribbling every player, If he has somehow missed, He would have looked stupid for not passing the ball earlier

If Wenger had won the CL with a buch of Djourous, Owusu Abeyie, Afobe, Muambas he would have been called a genius he was walloped and he was called a fool for bringing a knife to a gunfight

nateevs: Ok. Great then. Since that is the case, I presume you can understand why I lean on the side of "yet to be convinced" with respect to RDM's achievement.

Just like you pointed out the reasons why some believe those elite managers are not as good as they are thought to be, I reserve the right to believe that camping 11 players in your half, whilst still conceding 90 shots at goal over the 3 final games is by no means a measure of tactical ingenuity and only something more positive, inventive and attacking can actually propel him to the realm of the elite.

The point will remain the same until RDM wins something else.

Go and check what became of teams that went toe to toe with barcelona and bayern in the Champions league last season.

CL final 2010. Jose Mourinho camped Inter Milan players in their half and they countered and won the Champions league.

Wenger camped 11 players in his Half vs Barcelona at Nou Camp and Lost conceding 67% of possesion and 20 attempts

in 2008 at Old trafford Ferguson conceded 63% possesion to Barcelona and almost 17 shots yet won

In football there are many ways to kill a chicken. RDM played the way that would win him games just like those listed above

OMO IBO: seriously, im at a loss as to how you guys do it.
i get woozy reading these tonnes of titangraphs, pile of quotes and whatnots.

it is friday gaddemit!
go out, have a beer, chase some women!

Its 3:40pm here The day is still young

coogar: grant was terry's slip away from winning the champions league - unless you can prove it was grant's tactical approach that made terry slip, he is as good as rdm if not better. he ran united close in the premier league(title was decided on the last day) and he also played extra time in the final......miles better than finishing 6th, living off the back of avb that qualified chelsea from the group stage!

Samuel Peters was a Punch away from being World heavyweight Champions, TerryG is a track away from being Grammy winner,

RDM played 3 FA cup games won all 3. 100%

RDM played 6 CL games won 4 lost 0 Won the CL with a 66% winning and 0% loss. If that were to be in Points that would be 14 points out of 18

Won a Double in 4 months Some coaches have not been able to win anything in 7yrs

nateevs: So what's the objective of this post? That I can go ahead and call Avram Grant a genius since some people think other things about JM?
I do not understand the premise of your response.

What did Avram Grant win to be called a Genius? Can you enlighten me Maybe i didnt watch TV on the day Avram Grant won

You claimed that opions are divided on RDM which isnt a new thing in coaching Opinions are divided on almost all coaches in the world

Vs Liverpool when he lost 4-1 on May 8 He fielded Turnbull, Ivanovic, fereira, terry, Bertrand, Essien, Romeu, Malouda, Ramires, Torres and Sturridge ONLY Bertrand started the CL finals in Munich. Thats calculation and it paid off

coogar: is he rafa benitez?



like losing 0-2 against newcastle @ stamford bridge with drogba on the pitch!



in case you have a memory loss, it wasn't rdm that got chelsea out of the group stage!



villas-boas got chelsea to that stage before di matteo took over. had villas-boas crashed out like city and united did, i wonder what rdm would have won in 4 months - you argue sometimes like there's fluff in your brain cavity! lets see how rdm would cope without the foundation and the sweats of another manager!

nateevs: The Avram Grant scenario is exactly what I am trying to point out. That the circumstances under RDM won the CL polarizes the views of pundits still. For that reason, he will need to go beyond this and win something in exquisite style for him to considered a great. Until then, the jury is still out and everything he does will be under scrutiny from a technical standpoint, hero status aside.

How difficult is it to understand this?

Jose Mourinho polarises pundits till now many ppl believe he is a great coach and many believe he is an opportunist who spends fortune to win

Arsene Wenger polarises pundits still many think he is a brilliant manager and many believe he is a failure who cant win a continental trophy

Pep Guordiola polarises pundits still, Many think he is a briliant coach and many think he was fortumante to have the best set players from a working system

Which coach doesnt polarise pundits? The only incontrovertible measure is what has been won. RDM has been inducted into the elite group of coaches who have won the CL

coogar: but this dude also finished 6th in the league - should that be discounted? chelsea were this close into missing the champs league! which of the managers you listed up there failed to play in elite europe?

He intentionally finished 6th so he can win the CL. Yes

His last few games of the season he fielded weakened teams to conserve energy for the CL finals and it paid off. He won the trophy.

Vs Liverpool when he lost 4-1 on May 8 He fielded Turnbull, Ivanovic, fereira, terry, Bertrand, Essien, Romeu, Malouda, Ramires, Torres and Sturridge ONLY Bertrand started the CL finals in Munich. Thats calculation and it paid off

Whats the use of coaches who qualified for Europe year in year out and failed to win

RDM is a success. 2 trophies in 4 months says it all

coogar: even a broken clock would be correct twice a day! a player that gets that huge number of appearances would have his own moment of magic - it does not make him golden! Paul scholes at 37 still sparkles once in a while same as ryan giggs -

if you play maradona in the middle of the park 45 times in a season, i am sure he would provide at least 10 magical moments to get his team victories! you are barely scratching the surface here!

Coincidentally these magic moments came against the best football club of this generation?

Who need your magical moments vs Blackpool in Carling Cup, When you have done it vs Barcelona in The freaking CL semi finals

coogar: you are a simpleton!
i don't blame you though - your idiotic club/players who lost on penalties in their own forecourt caused all these arguments. had schweinsteiger scored his penalty kick with chelsea finishing 6th and missing europe this season, we would be here discussing lampard's new challenge @ qpr or west ham!

This your new market women argument is worrisome, Were you raised in Bodija market?

Had OBJ been born in Austria he would have been Mr Universe,
Had Mourinho gone to Catholic school he would have been a priest,
Had Wenger bought Garba Lawal he would have won Champions league,
Had MKO not drank the tea he would have been the next Pope
Had it been that Boko Haram struck A basket of Tomatoes would have been sold for 5naira.

Chelsea won the Champions league even if they did by throwing the ball in the net. Live with that

nateevs: I don't have time for numpties who are clearly orchestrating a way out for RDM in every single scenario. Something you accused me of doing when AVB was here and still do till date.

Dont you think a coach who won the CL a tropy that eluded Jose Mourinho, Claudio Ranieri, Avram Grant, Guus Hindick, Felipe Scolari Carlo Ancelotti at the same Chelsea.

Go and see how Greeks celebrate Otto Rehaggel who won an unlikely Euro Cup for them

coogar: drop mikel for lampard? are you insane? lampard contributes nothing but free kicks, penalty kicks, etc - this is why his stats look better than sliced bread. tell me one remarkable thing lampard has done this season other than to poke free shots from 12 yards the moment eden hazard decides to take a tumble in the box......

mikel is the most essential part in the chelsea team(the most disciplined in the lot) ivanovic and ashley cole are wingers these days. luiz is a locomotive train and terry also joins up the attack sometimes. mikel is always the gatekeeper that adds some sanity to the team. drop mikel and see how chelsea's defence would be pulverised like the walls of jericho!

At Nou Camp at 10 vs 11, I saw Lampard turning of a nickel and threading an inch perfect pass to Ramires to score the goal

At Stamford Bridge vs Barca I saw the impeccable pass that released Ramires for the Chelsea goal.

I guess you were sleeping when all these happened.

Watch football and not listen on radio

FSU: Like Tinubu was bowing for Buhari whom Ojukwu was even shunning
Bakare was VP to Buhari
In present-day Nigeria, the Yorubas are the ones running from pillar to post seeking relevance.

Igbos described below. The Ashawos of Nigeria.

[size=28pt]. The former executive president of Nigeria, Alhaji Shehu Shagari, a mild mannered man captured it well when he told Zik during the 1979 election campaign: "when you switch husbands one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight times, you are no longer a beautiful bride but a harlot." Zik was a weather vane-go where the favorable wind blows.[/size]

http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2009/apr/071.html

samkoro: Can you tell me why Ijebu Ode to Ore axis has become so notorious for ritual murders by Yo-robber kinsmen.Its getting out of hand in those axis.For six years now,people are always reported missing,beheaded,butchered and so on.You tell me

This is because thats the route Igbo cannibals take to the SW. So the Igbos on their journey to the SW kill people on that road

Just like Chief Vincent Duru and Clifford Orji did

samkoro: A lame and inferior Igbo man would have done better than the mess ObJ. And ur greedy looting yo-robber brothers left Nigeria in. Just imagine a stinkingg! Pig using the word inferior in his grammer without realizing that his treacherous,backstabbing and tribalistic race are the major definition of inferiority.Jump into the Lagoon. Goooaaat!!

Who doesnt know that Igbos are inferior?

Ppl that cant even stay in their own land, ppl that cant make it in their own land until they run elsewhere, Ppl who are always Political Boy-boys.

After OBJ all Igbo governors were hustling to be Vice president while the SS Governpors came out to run for Presidency. Duke, Odili even Ibori and Attah wanted presidency But Igbos were fighting for Vice from the begining

How can inferiority complex be defined without using Igbos as examples?. Their governors are even ashamed of their Native names they would rather be called SULLIVAN, THEODORE, ROACHES, PETER and MARTIN, They are ashamed of their OBINNA, EMEKA, IKECHUKWU, IFEANYI

The Governor of Rivers State even Uses CHIBUIKE but the original Igbos cant even stand the sound of their own Native names

Igbos and inferiority complex, What a shame

FSU: Barnabas Igwe was the man who exposed Okija shrine. He is still alive today. Were he a Yoruba he would be dead..

Obviously this guy is more retardeed than I thought

Ask your people about Barnabas Igwe or google it

Ngwakwe: If you said Orji Kalu was not at least an average good Governor, refute my argument with well established facts about him and not hear says and rumours.

I have said it before that in the Jungle of Nigeria you need assets like Orji uzoh Kalu

When OBj was taking the whole country for a ride It was only him and Tinubu that stood up eye to eye to OBJ

Tinubu consolidated on his own and Kalu lost his own.

If you dont come out forcefully in Nigeria, You would find it hard to see the Presidency

[quote author=Mr. Globe]Yoruba people and their amala opinions. very funny to me. See how the love of amala caised Nigeria billions in stolen funds and world best looter and international lier Tinubu is so eager to keep the hope alive, even if it means linking with their masters.
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, OBASANJO IS THE LAST YOROBER PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA. LAST.

SEE HOW THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY LEADERSHIP IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY BRCAUSE NO YOROBBERLEGISLATOR WA ACCEPTED INTO LEADERSHIP. NO BANKOLE, NO IYABO (Yoruba FINEST), NO ETTEH, NO WAY FOR Tinubu. BUT THEY MUST THIEF SO LAGOS ASSEMBLY HAS BEEN TURNED TO THIEFS ASSEMBLY IN ESSENSE WITH Tinubu AS PATRON. SMH[/quote]And who was the first and Last Igbo President? Ppl thats cant even rule themselves effectively Always struggling to be boy-boys

Like Azikwe to Balewa, Ekwueme to Shagari, Okadigbo, Ben Obi, Soludo Sylvester ugo

This Houseboy mentality relly runs deep

FSU: Duh! Yoruba Obas sold Abiola to Abacha for a packet of money.
Yoruba betrayed Ribadu and Buhari in the last election
Have you been able to govern yourself?
Why do Yoruba politicians kill one another?

Do you know what Nwobodo and Arthur Nzeribe are known for?

Yorubas betrayed 2 ppl in one single election? You definitely arent normal

Politicians kill? Do you know who Barnabas Igwe is?