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damiso: My maths is horrible but il try.

I think after tax and NI you go home with about 2, 600 or 2, 700.

Rent/ Mortage in the suburbs (decent neighbourhood) about £650 to £700
Home Insurance £40
Gas/Electric £100(more in the winter but it's often quarterly so lets say £140)
Council Tax £70
Sky (entertainment extra no sports) £26
Groceries for 4 people 2 kids and 2 adults £300 (could be less depending on how, what you buy.i used to throw food away so I am savvier in how I shop)
Car Expenses insurance road tax etc petrol lets say £300 thats also subjective sha
Miscellaneous £300

Thats £1876.all these are estimates and not exact but around the mark of what you can live on.Not alot.Basic lifestyle.We also do activities for the kids etc..Its hard dont get me wrong but we are not exactly suffering.Just dont buy alot of crap I used to.This is not adding savings, money some people get from other side runs etc

In all these I didnt see cell phone, you said minus Sport coogar do you agree with that? I didnt see payment of previous debt like student loans, credit cards and car notes on it multiply that by 2 because only one person would have to pay it

Or dont people incurr these monthly expenses in the UK

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Post links here. [/color]

Certainly you dont need links of eggheaders alternate ids before you ban them till 2060 but now for your Ibo brothers you provide links

Like a man who says he needs evidence before he can call Jonathan a thief but doesnt need that evidence to call Tinubu a thief

coogar: the boy na mumu now....see his mouth like chelsea.

if you & your wife work 24/7 throughout her pregnancy, work on the day she gives birth & then continue working after she's giving birth, you still would not be able to afford living in chelsea. the same chelsea where flats can go as much as £10,000 a week?

why not get 2 extra legs for your wife & a brown fluffy tail & turn her into a donkey?

I dont know what are Chelsea is Now put a decent area anywhere even in Birmingham after your taxes have been deducted rents and living expense and see how that Math would add up

I dont knw the cost of rent in a decent place in birmingham, Damiso can help with an idea of what the average living expense + rent is and lets see how the maths work without rigging the system

coogar: this is lying at it's best.
the families who cannot afford N10m naira quickly sends their kids to ghana, malaysia or india or better still OAU, UI, etc. when has it become compulsory that you have to study abroad to survive?

You injected the ppl who pay full school fees in UK, and those are not the average Nigeria family if you can afford to drop 20m for your childs education then you are in the upper income bracket and both parents should stay home to give maximum attention and security to the child

living in decent neighbourhood is even cheaper. most places outside the city of london in the countrysides are super decent & are far cheaper. a 2-bedroom apartment in birmingham is about £500/month, in peckham, it can go as much as £1500 to even £2000 & peckham is rougher.

3300 per month how much is it after taxes in the UK, Answer that first.

Then how much is the living expenses per month for all the family needs and try to fit that into the 3300-taxes. Now get to work and put up a figure

and these child minders have been known to be serial abusers. i will upload a video where certified child minders were beating children with special needs here in the UK. a stranger is still a stranger - your wife is a safer bet. see your mouth like setting up surveillance as if it's $1 to set up.

I am sure there are mothers who also abuse their parents. I am sure there are teachers who also abuse their students somewhere, I am sure there are bus drivers that molest children etc

yet again, common sense fails you. like i keep repeating, you cannot put a price on intangibles. this is like the average nigerian worker puffing his chest that his N300,000 per month takehome pay is better than his friend in the UK with takehome pay of N1,000 per month.

wait till the naija guy is intercepted by armed robbers.....

sadly, millionaire couples still go to work, the key is having one parent stay at home to do the needful in the formative years of their child.

if it prevents child molesters like yourself from coming near my beautiful daughter, i would be forever delighted.

If both parents are rich like Dangote marrying Alakija then both should stay at home so the child would have maximum security, they can also home school the child or bring the teachers to teach the child from. Keeping the child in your line of sight for 24hrs till the age of 18 is the surest way to avoid this abuse Mr Coogar

stan4b: I don't knw if its relevant or not,but she was a virgin before she got marry and they got married last year.

[size=14pt]It is relevant if she is a virgin of the brain, that means Her brain has never been put to use before[/size]

When she gets to Malawi she can tell them shes a virgin they have special allowances for virgins and a job too

Pataki: Welcome back Theo!

PoGOALski about two weeks away! Wish there was another useless burnthisleaguedown team in the pipeline to r@pe again!

Lets play this game at the Emirates where Bundesliga teams always love to shitt on Assanal deal?

coogar: this is £40,000 not your yeye currency so mind the sign. if you earn £40k per annum in the UK, you are one of the top 10% salary earners so open your eyes before you start spewing opata.

the combined salary of most nigerian couples that work like trojan horses is even less than £40k. so if they can survive, mr coogar & family will survive. mrs coogar's current & savings account did not also suddenly vaporise just because she put to bed.

Now since you are adept with numbers fill in the gap

with 40k income that translates to 3,330 before tax. After UK tax how much is left?

How much is rent for a 2 bedroom in Chelsea area that Nashville mentioned

How much is the average monthly bills of cell phone, internet, Light, cable, heating etc

How much is groceries and supplies per month since the govt only provides for the child and not the adults

How much for credit card, student loan and car payment per month

Now let me know what yu come up with living on one income and maintaining a decent lifestyle

coogar: you are the one putting the naija factor in the argument.

Ok now lets stick to the west

borrowed where? UBA/first bank now lend money to nigerian parents to pay international fees in the UK/USA? must you lie at the expense of logic?

Cost of International student fees in the Uk for a 4yr course would be like over 10m Naira minus living expense. How many families in Nigeria would have 10m naira + living expense saved up to spend on one child without borrowing. They borrow from several places, family, cooperative, friends etc

there he goes again, talking from the nigerian perspective. are you in nigeria? is your wife in nigeria? why exactly are you comfortable to let her slave away for money just because you are a lazy bum?

So tell me how much you need to make to get these benefits and at the same time live in a decent neighbourhood, pay rents, pay bills and pay you and your wife student loans. And Mr hardwoking bum How many hours do you work to cover these

but you still have the extra threat in your own home when you leave your kids in the hands of strangers. i fail to see how school children can be molested on their school bus when others are watching as opposed your daughter all alone with a nephew you brought from abidjan.

When you earn a decent income you can hire a certified nanny which you can do a background check on and this plus household monitors you can see all that happens in your house real time, I dont knw which neck of Ekiti wood you still live in where you import Togolese to be child minders

i don't care about what obtains in the US, i care about what obtains in the UK & i am confident getting my wife to stayathome to care for our kids is far more beneficial than letting a stranger do the role.

Its most beneficial for both parents to stay at home if income permits, Its the limited income thats making them work in the first plce

If every couple were millionaires At least when both dad and mom can stay at home and minimize chances of child being molested.

So Mr coogar why not both parent stay home and both live on govt benefits so you can give the child maximum kirikiri like security

coogar: remember i used the £40,000 wage bracket for both hubby & wife. living on benefit so one's wife can groom her baby is not crap. I have been paying taxes in this country for aeons......when my wife puts to bed, i will still work & pay taxes so why is it crap to take your entitlements?

So with this 40k from one partner, How much do you pay for rent and multiply by 12.

How much is for feeding a month, for transportation, for student loans and other debts, for light, heating, cell phone bills, internet and cable

Furniture and clothing

Now multiply all these by 12 and lets see how a family survive on 40k of one partner in a 12 month period

40k is about 3k per month before taxes when you calclate the taxes how much is the take home pay

damiso: I was working full time so was my husband so I was not entitled to most of the benefits available.Child benefit was the only non means tested benefit and now sef it is, cos one partner earns over £44k you lose it.Living on benefits is crap really. Most of those you see living large on benefits lie that they have no partners.Esp those that married out of country.

How much benefit does the govt give self?

They just give you barely enough to survive. At the end of the day its beneficial to just work and earn more

In the US, they would give you free housing in a Section 8 if you have very low income. of say less than 10k a yr

Some places dont accept food stamp card to purchase food.

Unless you deny that youre married and claim you are a single mom, You cant qualify for most of these means tested benefit

And the stress to even get it ends up being penny wise pound foolish

damiso: Biko Coogar pls how can I get this £25k child benefit For wia.Under ConDems lai lai.Its not a walk in the park like that o.Child benefit is £20.80 a week for the first child and £13.40 for the younger siblings.Thats not even enough for Diapers and Formula if you have a chop chop baby.Tax Credits threshold been reduced to £38k or something.Earn over £44k you lose child benefit altogether.

Dont you know coogar lives in a different world where young couples have 100m saved up, where women make 50k, where a drop in come doesnt affect lifestyle, where women can put a 10yr gap between each child

Its called Lalaland

You keep traversing between UK and Nigeria you need to stick to whichever.

coogar: necessity my foot!
how many nigerians completed their degrees with college loans? abeg, talk another thing....nigerians come here & pay their school fees in one swoop!

The Nigerians that come there and pay their fees in one swoop are not the average Nigerians, if they are average in income definitely the money would hae been borrowed somewhere and has to be repaid.

of course na, couples don't plan for this before tying the knot. you can just go on the street & snatch a woman then take her to church immediately & marry her. no wonder poverty is bread & butter in nigeria. with such mentality, is there any surprise?

What kind of planning is this you keep talking about? You mean 30yr old men have 100m saved up somewhere to cater for the family? Or was the guy not renting and paying the same 2yrs upfront rent as a single? The average Nigerian worker barely makes enough till the next payday yet in coogars world they make millions a month. The same person who says few make over 100k

hahahaha - see your backward thinking. a daughter will be räped in school? by who? her classmates at age 3-5? her teachers under the full supervision of a canon CCTV?

dayo, you plumb the depths of irrationality when you come up with these excuses. even if my daughter gets assaulted in her school, at least that responsibility has passed over my head unlike you that brought your sëxually abusive nephew from abidjan to look after your child.

i am sure the jury won't need up to 3 mins to send you to 10 years in jail. you will cop a child negligence charge & human trafficking charge of the nephew you brought over from africa. all in your bid to save money.



the chances are 1000000/1 & besides one's daughter getting räped in school can affect both the career couple & the stayathome mum camp. however, your own daughter stands a bigger risk of räpe both in school & in your home.

These kids walk to the school bus, they are driven by adult bus drivers, they have adult teachers and school cleaners who can rapee them.

After a certain age they visit their friends who have brothers, uncles and aunties, Or would this stay at home mom, Home school her kids and lock them indoors so they would never have interactions with anyone else so they wont be rappeedd

a drop in income will not lead in a low income area. if my wife & i make £40k per annum each, she's better off staying at home than working after putting to bed.
the UK govt recognises this wife of mine is doing the society at large a huge service so she gets child benefits of about £25k that cannot be taxed. she gets various other benefits ranging from child tax credits, shopping vouchers, paid maternity stipends, etc. all these goodies while staying at home grooming the child to her taste.

if she runs back to work 3 weeks after putting to bed, the child benefit stops. she goes back to her £40k which will be taxed & her takehome pay reduces to £26k. from this £26k, she will have to deduct transport fare, child care cost, lunch, etc plus the fact that she's not there to groom her child to her own taste. after all the deductions, she's reduced to £12k.

i ask again - how are you not penny wise, pound foolish?

Now we are back to the UK.

In the US women get 12weeks paid leave the child is still 2-3months old, So the woman stops working for the rest of the 4yrs till the child is 4 and family lives on one income, If she spaces by 3yrs she pops another just as the first "stay-home" period ends and starts another 4yrs

If she stops at 2 kids she has stayed home for 7-8yrs

Now which career would you drop and return to after 8yrs

Where is the picture of clement njoku the rodent doctor

Nashville: What if the lady married at 32? Would she then start work at 42? Some of her mates will be thinking of retirement then.

I am even playing to their side because coogar would tell you no lady marries at 32yrs.

He would tell you all the women he knows married at 19yrs have their masters and were able to wait for 10yrs to save 100m to raise a family

He already told us spacing 3yrs between kids is too much more like 10yrs spacing is better.

That women in Nigeria barely make 50k a month

Most importantly ppl just work because of capitalist master not because of the need to make money

lady gogo: Wait! IS BABE BEE!?

How can you not know that?

She even has a thread on the Bee monicker which states she is Babe and she opened the account when she was banned

bukatyne: If 0 - 5yrs is important and a wife is to stay,

How many kids will they have?

What space should be within them?

So we can total how many years the woman should really stay at home

Thats the key questions coogar claims you should wait till you save enough Babe said you can wait for 10yrs

If a bride at 27yrs wait for 10yrs thats 37 before she starts having kids what are the biological concerns when having kids at such age

So ask if you stay for 4yrs per child how much would you space them and how many children, So total how many yrs you stay at home. Maybe when we do a proper analysis we would get a figure

Also how would living on a sole income not affect the family standard of living, Coogar thinks everyone have millions saved up somewhere

He even thinks people just work for the sake of it, Then ask him how many ppl would continue working if they are not getting paid.

If you are 100% on your kids tail theres still little you can do to their exposure to crime if you live in certain neighborhoods due to family finances

lady gogo: Interesting debate.
Thats where BABE/Lizzy, his fiancee resides.

You thinking of moving to Helsinki Coogar?

You mean you havent seen Babe already on this thread?

coogar: which debts?
the rat race to belong! debts accrued from getting cars on finance, debts accrued from mortgages just to brag to their colleagues they have arrived, debts accrued to stage an elaborate wedding running into millions of naira, etc if such loans are secured for the quality upbringing of their kids, it would make far more sense but monsieur dayokanu would rather take loans to buy X-6 BMW(a car that can only depreciate in value)

If you live in the West and have a College degree chances are that you have a college loan is that also a rat race? they need a car and get a carnote which is also a necesity

If you are in Nigeria you need to rent a house in a decent neighborhood, Most landlords require 2yrs upfront payment which most new couples have to take a loan to pay. Are those part of the rat race too?

that's where you are getting things wrong. the argument hinges on tangibles & intangibles. there's more to life than figures on a paper. emotional contribution is priceless & can't be valued!

i asked you a question yesterday - can you put a value on your daughter getting sëxually abused by a relative you delegated to look after her just because you & your wife must work to make ends meet?

even if you make 1 billion dollars a month, that daughter you think you're working for is scarred for life. your mouth-watering salary can never undo her emotional scars. you can even go to jail if child negligence can be proven by the state.

As long as you dont follow your daughter to school she can also get molested in the nursery school, primary school even on the play ground

So coogar how much value can you put on your daughter getting raaped while in Nursery school, primary school etc.

If you now have a drop in income and live in a low income area you are even more exposed to these criminals and it quadruples the risk on your children

BEE!:
I see couples that have been married for 10 years and over and they have no kids yet, because they can't afford it (even though they seem comfortable). But the Nigerian (not only Nigerians) mentality is to start popping out kids as soon as you get married to prove you're capable
4 kids in the space of 7 yrs with no planning and both parents working like enslaved Israelites in Egypt.... tell me how that's not unnecessary stress

There are more pressing factors beyond finance that would make a couple want to start having kids in their youth vs in their late 30s

A woman who gets married at 28 you now tell her to wait for 10yrs till she is 38 to start raising a family. I am sure you know the health risks involved in having children in that age vs a younger age.

So tell me in your ideal world, How many yrs after marriage should an average couple stay before having kids, How many kids should they have, How much spacing should be between kids and how much yrs off work would that translate to at least for the woman. And how this wont translate into a significant income gap for the family that would make them live in a poor neighborhood which ends up defeatng the purpose of the mother staying at home

If we can't focus on these kids in their early years (at least) it's better not to bring them into this world.

In recent times that peoples' lives are a revolving door consisting of bills, debts and paychecks, it's hard to nurture a kid. And that's more reason why it requires adequate and thorough planning in terms of being there as parents emotionally/physically and materially. No need to do patch- patch if you can't provide. If you can't be there, don't have kids.

All child age before 15 is very important. The children that run away from home and join gangs dont make that decision when they are under 6, They make it between 10-15. To forestall that should the mother stay at home for those 15yrs too?

The world we live in is competitive and to get a good life for your kids it requires a lot financially, There is a bare minimum of school standardwise they should attend,, a bare minimum of diet needed, neighborhood they should live etc. All these cost money and living on one income wont cut it in most cases.

People work because they want to earn an income and make their lives better very few ppl work just for the sake of it. No one would work if it was for free

The shock of losing the only breadwinner isnt what most families can also live with

coogar: lazy-arsë men like dayokanu.....
what do you expect? they have become domesticated & effeminate thinking that's the new cool. they want to see the women work themselves to death & the women themselves think it's freedom to leave the house & work and yet they still struggle to make ends meet & children suffer abuse & neglect on top of it.

apparently all your points are so far away from reality.

You live in a world where newly married who are still coming up in their careers with loads of debt to pay have millions saved up somewhere to afford a sit at home lifestyle for 6yrs.

I told you to put it in figures and see how it makes sense for a family to live on one single income for 6yrs, But like you claim in your world we have companies that would pay maternity salary for the period the mother is away 6-7yrs

Your argument is far from reality in any society

How Willywilly and his numerous monickers are still posting is what I wont understand yet any Yoruba poster is banned as fast as possible

coogar: there wouldn't be any drop & if there's a small difference, it's already eaten up by the intangibles of parental bonding instead of living your precious kids at the mercy of pëdophiles.

can you put a value on your kids getting sëxually abused? answer me, you dork!'.

Maybe if you put value on raising kids in the hood or sending them to Agege Community School vs A decent school

The average Nigerian educated newly wed dont live in lekki, They cant afford Lekki. They live in Gbagada, Surulere Ogudu etc A drop in income can move them from gbagada to Iyana Ipaja, Abule Egba or Sango

3yrs for a newborn

Before the expiration of the 3yrs, the mother gets pregnant again and add another 3yrs. Thats 6yrs total of single income in the household.

How much does an average newly wed have saved

Mother and father complete education by 25yrs Get married in 3-5yrs How much would they have saved with all the loans(UK,US) and living expenses (Nigeria)

if everyone had millions saved somewhere no one needs to work

How much does a newly married couple in Nigeria, UK or US between age 31-27yrs have saved or stashed up somewhere that can afford them those yrs off work?

Lets be realistic

coogar: there's no financial gap to be made....there's a period of about 36 weeks between conception & childbirth - so unless your own spërm cells fertilise eggs & bring forth a child the same day, you are talking trash as usual. a sane & responsible human being must have planned for the arrival of this baby before hand - babies don't just drop from heaven - responsible couples plan for it.

Lets start this analysis. How many yrs do you propose a woman stay with a new born child?
How many yrs do you think is the normal child spacing in couples
Now do this calculation for a family having 3 kids and tell me how many yrs the mother would have to stay at home.

in the UK, nothing has to give......
sometimes, lower income gives you a better takehome pay than a higher one because of the tax cut-off?

What does this have to do with the discussion, if you are working a job that gives a lower take home than a similar person with a lower, then you would drop it.

fathers return from work after 5pm to bond with the kids. he's with them throughout the weekend. take them to football, cinema, parks, etc - he's not an absent dad. come up with a better point.

If the father is working the same hours as he was when they were just a family of 2 working adults, then there would be a drop in family income

if the wife works, kids are even more exposed to external influences. who's there to put them in check when hubby & wife have surrendered their roles for some pedophiliac au pair feeding your kids with snorts & what not.

you got a lot to learn!!!

If you raise your kids in Peckham or a project because you are operating on a single income there is little you can do to stop the negative influences

damiso: I agree with the bolded that BOTH parents have a part to play in the upbringing of the child.I also do not agree that the sole income has to be from one party.But looking at some cases in Naija especially where it is still believed that the man pays ALL or the BULK of the bills, the woman's income sometimes is used for vanities e.g. aso ebi, gold, brazilian weave etc.Why then does this woman whose husband pays the bills anyway get off on looking down on another woman who is sacrificing not having those just because she chose to put her family first? I am an advocate of do what works for you as long you are not being coerced forced or abused into anything.

What irks me is one group looking down on the other. Women sometimes are their own greatest enemies.If you need to work to support your huband pls do, stop calling a stay at home mum who you have not walked in her shoes lazy.And if you have a husband that can afford to have you stay home to look after the kids dont pour scorn on the one whose wage is really needed to make ends meet.

Abeg I wan go sleep.

Those are irresponsible women and we also have irresponsible men as well who spend all their income on alcohol, pool betting and concubines?

So if you have a home where one is irresponsible with the money then its still a problem. And thats beyond the scope of this discussion

The basis of this argument has to be between 2 responsible parents.

This argument is even coming up because its assumed both parents have limited resources

if the husband is as rich as Dangotes and wife is as rich as Alakija we wont even be having this discussion

Both can as well stay at home all day and take care of their children without having to worry about finances

If a woman stays at home and hide the children under her skirt for 24hrs but due to living on one income live in a low income neighborhood, Before age 8 they would already know the smell of weed and probably tested it.

coogar: i hate going round in circles but i have to address your obtuse line of argument. i am doing 9-5, my wife is doing 9-5. she gets pregnant & she's on paid maternity leave while i continue my 9-5, how in the name of zeus does this even suggest i am working round the clock?

You are the one getting it wrong.

A couple starts a family now, They would be in child making for at least 7yrs and they would have kid(s) under 6 for at least 15yrs if they have 3

So for a mother to be at home with any child under 6 would mean the mother is at home for over 10yrs. Who would pay a non working mother for maternity leave for 10yrs in a row?

While the mother is staying home till the first child is 4yrs, she is already pregnant for the second, etc

do you people argue with any iota of logic?

how's 9-5 any similar to being an absent father? logic logic logic & it fails you each time you ask these yeye questions?

How does a man retaining his normal hour make up for the loss in income kindly explain

most people work because they dunno better or they have been made slaves by the system. work to live vs live to work, you decide which one you are entangled in.

You think so? tell people they wont be getting paid for work and lets see how many ppl would continue working

People work because thats the only means of livelihood

coogar: the man does not work tirelessly - he is doing what he would have been doing if his wife was working. how does the routine change? before children, hubby & wife works 9-5. after the child is born, hubby works 9-5 and wifey is at home - how is this making him work tirelessly? you gotta be clowning here, mate!!.

The crux of the matter is lost here. Someone has to make the financial gap else the living standard of the family would drop significantly

If husband continues doing what he was doing while the wife stops working entirely then that makes the now BIGGER family depend on one income instead of two

So something has to give.

i fail to see how any absent mum would add any value to her kids apart from materialistic bonds which have been known to fail at least in my own neck of the woods. 100,000 runaway kids in the UK every year is an indicator that chasing 2 massive objectives will not get the best of both worlds.

raising kids is a career on it's own & my wife filling in the gap for 4-5 years is a temporary measure - it will not suddenly make her destitute. no one is coercing anyone into housewifery or whatever. i owe my kids quality upbringing & i do not consider hiring house-helps to do these jobs as quality grooming

The 100,000 runway kids have nothing to do with the absent fathers? who probably are working their asses off while the wife is at home?

maybe if the wife works they would live in a better neighborhood where the kids stand a lesser chance of being exposed to vices at an earlier age

damiso: This can happen to both parties..My uncle and his wife both lost their jobs in Dec 2011 two weeks apart. She worked in then Sterling Bank and He Intercontinental bank.My mum kinda made more money than my Dad at a point but he was the one who died after battling illness for a while so life happens. My own argument is not that a woman with kids cant have a career. My argument is that one parent or both sef might have to make some adjustments to be there for the kids a bit more especially during the early years foundation stage (0-5).Its harder in Nigeria I agree but really really both mummy and Daddy should not be leaving home at 6 am and getting home at 9pm leaving childcare to paid help.

You don't build your kids esp at that early stage into your already established life.In that case just face the career.For sometime, the ideal should be your life or work should be built around them.My SIL used to wake up at 4 to get to for work for 7 so she could pick her son in school for 3.Her hubby dropped him off.Hard while they did it but she built her work around her son, not her son around her work.

Its all about chances, the chance that both cuples would lose their jobs at the same time is lower than for one person losing his job. If you have 2 incomes, the possibility of bot stopping at once when they are unrelated is lower.

A man who works round the clock might live up to 150yrs but the fact is that a sole bread winner who works round the clock has a better chance of being worn out and fall sick than one who has a spouse who also supports financially.

The Ideal should be both parents at home with the children all the time, But its due to economy that is making anyone to work to start with So the more help one can get the better.

If the man can get help with finances from the wife and the wife can get help with domestic work from the husband wont it be better that way and make both of them live longer and happier?

coogar: it would do us all a great favour if pro-feminist men like yourself would stop criminalising the traditional housewife and chastise men for choosing them. if you want to forsake quality of life, quality of relationship, quality of sex, spirituality, modesty and family life for quantity of sex, quantity of life, assertiveness, competition and materialist achievement in your quest for equality be my guest, but please don't criticise us men for not wanting such a woman as a wife!

Does these quality of life, quality of relationship, quality of sex, spirituality, modesty and family life for quantity of sex, quantity of life, assertiveness, competition exclude the man since he is basically round the clock to cover for two adults or does the family take a cut in their lifestyle?

So how does the FAMILY work when the man is out most of the time and these end up breeding the same problems the society has which is "absent fathers"

Most people work because they need to, If everyone had a rich trust fund to fall back on most ppl wont work I wont work if I has $500m ineritance

@coogar you can answer my questions

dayokanu: A man dies at 42. With 4 kids between age 9 and 3. How far would this meagre pension go? How much is this pension self? The ppl who die on pension queues most of them earn as little as 10k pension per month Is that what a family of 4-5 would live on?

How many ppl have life insurance in Nigeria.

Most 2 working couple barely break even from their salary so where would the average family save enough for their kids especially a man who is the sole bread winner

dayokanu: If we want to put it in figures approximate numbers

Assuming the cost of living for a family and kids is 150,000 per month and 30k for babysitter Total 180k

Where both spouses work assuming Husband makes 120,000, Wife makes 80,000 total 200k saving 20k

Now where only the man works tell me how would this Maths work and wont lead to a downgrade or the husband practically works round the clock

Its either they both live on a Husband salary of 100k which would be a significant downgrade ot the husband has to find a way to make at least 50k extra

dayokanu: Now how would a woman enjoy a husband that works round the clock just so she can sit at home

Maybe when the man breaks down at age 42 she would now start the job she didn't want to do initially or how would they feed

soul_glo: Do you think Christianity had something to do with dropping the Ifa and going with Fa?

Nope. Fashola is a Moslem,

Also some cases names with prefix of Ola is shortened to just La

E.g Olanipekun or Oladipupo shortened to Lanipekun or Ladipo

Or Yeyewande Yeyetunde shortened to Yewande and Yetunde