[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=645402.msg8129888#msg8129888 date=1302829611][color=deeppink]Oh well, he's doing just that in a team that he's played all his career, right? well one difference between MESSI and ronaldo is that a number of people have DARED to call messi the greatset of all time but everyone knows that if they dare call ronaldo the greatest of all time they would have to walk around looking over their shoulders because bring shame upon themself.[/quote]well one difference between MESSI and ronaldo is that a number of people have DARED to call messi the greatset of all time but everyone knows that if they dared calling ronaldo the greatest of all time they would have to walk around looking over their shoulders because bring shame upon themself
ddippset: mama geee! who is the top scorer in la liga? who is the top scorer in europe?? who is the spanish league all time top scorer in a season who has the highest assists in la liga? who has the highest assists in europe?? who is the season's champions league top scorer who is top of castrol rankings? u dont see what he has done? mama gee r u kiddin me or what?
come to think of it u had ronaldo's name as the first on your list. is it what am thinking or is it a coincidence LWKMD.
vicenzo: Your are missing the point,ronaldo is playing for a real madrid team that is in the building process,even in a trophyless season where other madrid stars failed,ronaldo still delivered,not to talk of the enormous pressure he had to play under because of his £80M Tag,but in messi you have a player who plays for an already established team,we know what happens when he plays for argentina national team( a team in the building process).
Messi is no doubt a good player,but he relies on xavi and inesta a lot, until he leaves barca and plays for another club one cannot say he is better than ronaldo.
WHENEVER U GUYS WISH TO DISCREDIT MESSI U SAY THERE IS NO MESSI WITHOUT XAVI AND INIESTA AND THEN WHEN YOU WANT TO DISCREDIT BARCA YOU SAY THERE IS NO BARCA WITHOUT MESSI. SO WHICH OF THE ABOVE APPLIES? Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.
vicenzo: Your are missing the point,ronaldo is playing for a real madrid team that is in the building process,even in a trophyless season where other madrid stars failed,ronaldo still delivered,not to talk of the enormous pressure he had to play under because of his £80M Tag,but in messi you have a player who plays for an already established team,we know what happens when he plays for argentina national team( a team in the building process).
Messi is no doubt a good player,but he relies on xavi and inesta a lot, until he leaves barca and plays for another club one cannot say he is better than ronaldo.
now this kind of arguement gets me pissed off! ronaldo played 4 man u( that had scholes, tevez, rooney,fletcher, giggs, hegreaves) now he plays 4 madrid( with kaka, alonso, ozil, de maria, benzema, adebayor, khedira, diarra, higuain) now messi relies on xavi and iniesta? common. no team has stars like madrid.when he plays 4 argentina he excels,he is always their best player, he wins the olympic GOLD, he wins the junior world cup. ronaldo cannot even win aspoon 4 portugal!
[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=645402.msg8129589#msg8129589 date=1302825676][color=deeppink]Are you in the FIFA committee?
Cause I see nothing exceptional messi has done, he's not even the top scorer of the league.
Seriously, when are you all gonna stop riding on the messi bandwagon? [/color][/quote]mama geee! who is the top scorer in la liga? who is the top scorer in europe?? who is the spanish league all time top scorer in a season who has the highest assists in la liga? who has the highest assists in europe?? who is the season's champions league top scorer who is top of castrol rankings? u dont see what he has done? mama gee r u kiddin me or what?
[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=645402.msg8129441#msg8129441 date=1302824011][color=deeppink]Comon, not after being in the same club for his first and second, it's just ridicuolus!
If he's truly the best, what's stopping him from moving to another club and then we'll be able to see how "legendary" he truly is.
Giving him this award for the third time while being in the same club meaning nothing much has changed from the time he won his second is quite questioning, I personally think he won't be winning it again this year.[/color][/quote]seriously there are about 3 champions league games and 6,7 league games lef to conclude the seasont.and except another player( from man u or madrid) is able to do something very very very exceptional, messi wins it 4 a third time.
[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=645402.msg8129441#msg8129441 date=1302824011][color=deeppink]Comon, not after being in the same club for his first and second, it's just ridicuolus!
If he's truly the best, what's stopping him from moving to another club and then we'll be able to see how "legendary" he truly is.
Giving him this award for the third time while being in the same club meaning nothing much has changed from the time he won his second is quite questioning, I personally think he won't be winning it again this year.[/color][/quote]ur point is well comprehended, but the only strong contender is ronaldo who was a GOD in the much appreciated epl. now this 'god' comes to the la liga and is consistently being 'owned' and smashed on by the 'lion'
BUT IT BEATS MY IMAGINATION, WHY IS IT STILL BEING CALLED EL-CLASSICO WHEN ONLY ONE OF THE TWO TEAMS WINS NOWADAYS! PS. THE MEDIA CALLED IT elTHRASHico and HELLclassico last time out.
FOR NOW ITS MESSI- NO COMPETITION. BUT IF ANY OTHER TEAM DOES THE TREBLE, MESSI WILL HAVE SERIOUS COMPETITION FROM SAY, RONALDO OR GIGGS OR EVEN ROONEY.
[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=645402.msg8129067#msg8129067 date=1302819855][color=deeppink]Please, I'm sick and tired of messi's name being mentioned all the time. ,
It's giving me a headache, I would like to see hom go to another team and league until then I think he's suspended from this award.
Seriously, let's face the players that move to different clubs and play iwth different players instead of the ones that have played for one team since the beginning of their career.[/color][/quote]IAM SURE U EXPECTED PEOPLE 2 SAY RONALDO. BUT SEE, RONALDO IS A GREAT GREAT PLAYER. ITS ONLY MESSI WHO ALWAYS GOES MANY STEPS ABOVE HIM.
f**k all that cup nite shit! all that bullsh*t dont work in spain where real football is played. he's lost his unbeaten home league record, got humiliated 5-0, will not win the league in his first season(like in the epl and italy) this is spain! welcome. word to JM- if u want to have a chance against barca, park the bus and rely on ur breaks.
[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=628588.msg7973011#msg7973011 date=1300913855][color=deeppink]Waka!!!! [/color][/quote]LOL . you no like ha? ok sorry.
na wa o! if these handsome and pretty mi and genny could be like those in their old ages, then what about people like segun arinze and any of those wowo(ugly) nollywood girls? how dem go come be?
a nigerian man would smack and slap even his 40 year old wife not to talk of a 27 year old GIRL. in this part of the world is 27 really an adult? adulthood here begins @ 32.
who did not feel songs like why ,these days, scared of love, hardest man, one more day, another short story, concrete streets, no matter where i go, puppy luv, et al, et al. always a DPG fan boy. DPG 4 LIFE !
Akolawole: I cant believe the comments that Gunners were making.
Even Van Persie did NOT touch the ball in Barca's box 18 for the 56 minutes he spent.
Arguably, only Chelsea can play Barca in the champions league from England.
COMMON MAN HOW COULD U MAKE SUCH AN UNFAIR COMMENT? OF COURSE HE DID TOUCH THE BALL ONCE. PROBLEM IS, HIS ONLY TOUCH WAS HIS ONLY CRIME. IT WAS IT THAT GOT HIM INTO TROUBLE!
Stop mixing things up to prove a point! Someone has to win a match, and the better team did win. Even our everyday life is corrupt, money often comes before lives, so why should football be any different?
and so who's offside? messi? pedro? did u even see the clip ure showing me? you gotta be the only one in the world who is still denying this. go do your correction and submit your notebook.
baslone: . . . and with all the 5hundred and sumfn passes,20sumfn shots by their opponent,60minutes gone in the match. Barca were still trailin 3-2 from behind. Possibilties- The match could end up like that, Barca could later successfull break the defence, after the home goal, all Arsenal had to work for was just two shots at goal(me and you know what that means) dats where the victim had to be RVP!!!).
Stop pretending like you don't know whatssup! You can't be smarter than the ref, Barca needed help and they got it. Ask any real ManU fan- it's all part of the game!
tells us a lot about how people like u want to win a match by a fluke! MR 'ARSENAL FAN'!!
van persie says the ref killed the game! WAS THERE ACTUALLY A GAME? it was nothing but a training session. plus arsenal just set a new record. the only team in history with a ZERO goal attempt in the champions league.
baslone: Every decision referee Massimo Busacca got wrong - and right - in Barcelona vs Arsenal
Arsenal's defeat to Barcelona at the Nou Camp was not without incident, and referee Massimo Busacca was at the end of stinging criticism from Arsene Wenger and Robin van Persie following the match.
The north London club were furious with some of the decisions made by Busacca and Wenger believed his side would have progressed had it not been for the decision to send Van Persie off for time wasting.
But it is not just the Gunners who will feel hard done by the referee as Barcelona will claim they had a couple of key decisions go against them over the 90 minutes, so Goal.com UK takes a look back at the key incidents from the game in the Nou Camp to see whether Arsenal really got a raw deal from the referee or whether the decisions even out over the course of the match,
27th minute
Incident: Samir Nasri battles with Daniel Alves just inside the Barcelona half and the full-back puts in a stern challenge on the French midfielder and appears to get the man and the ball. The ref's decision: No foul, play on.
Why is it controversial: [/b]Arsene Wenger was furious with the challenge which left Samir Nasri in agony on the floor. Alves did appear to get the ball but the challenge ended with what looked like a scissor tackle. It was not the first time the referee had let play continue when it appeared Barcelona had committed a foul.
[b]The law: A direct free-kick is awarded when a player kicks or attempts to kick an opponent, trips or attempts to trip an opponent or makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling.
Goal.com verdict: [/b]The correct decision - Arsenal were getting frustrated with many of the referee's decisions regarding tackling but he got this one spot on. Alves' challenge was physical and he did catch Samir Nasri with a scissoring motion, but the important aspect is he got plenty of the ball first.
[b]33rd minute
Incident: [/b]Abou Diaby clatters into Lionel Messi just inside the Arsenal penalty area, right under the nose of the referee.
[b]The ref's decision: No foul, play on.
Why was it controversial: Barcelona were pressing for a breakthrough against an Arsenal team standing firm against wave after wave of attacks and there is no doubt they should have had a penalty. The referee was standing right next to the incident and he should have seen Diaby tripping Messi inside the area.
The law: A direct free-kick is awarded when a player kicks or attempts to kick an opponent, trips or attempts to trip an opponent or makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling.
If any of these offences are committed by a player inside their own penalty area then it's a penalty. Goal.com verdict: The wrong decision - The referee was in a great position to see the foul and he made a huge mistake in not pointing to the spot. Arsenal got away with this decision.
45th minute
Incident: [/b]Tempers start to boil over as Jack Wilshere is fairly tackled on the halfway line, but the England midfielder seems to get his ankle caught and he stays down. The Barcelona players seem to take offence to this and as a result a lot of pushing and shoving occurs. Eric Abidal appears to put his hand around Van Persie's throat during the incident.
[b]The ref's decision: The referee was right in the mix of the melee, trying to break up the players. He chose not to book anyone following the incident. Why is it controversial: [/b]On another night Abidal would have been sent from the field. He clearly raised his hands to Van Persie and had the referee seen the incident Barcelona would have had to play the second half with 10 men. [b] The law: A player is sent off and shown the red card if they commit violent conduct, such as throwing a punch. Goal.com verdict: [/b]The wrong decision - Abidal was very lucky to stay on the pitch. A few weeks ago Abou Diaby was sent off against Newcastle for exactly the same thing and no-one would have had any arguments had the French defender been given his marching orders.
[b]46th minute
Incident: Van Persie and Alves come together deep inside the Barcelona half. The Arsenal man tries to get past his opponent, who goes down clutching his face.
The ref's decision: Foul, and booking for Van Persie.
Why is it controversial: Van Persie certainly catches Daniel Alves but the Brazilian full-back goes down very asily clutching his face. The Dutch striker appears to push Alves' shoulder and that is all he needs to make a meal of the challenge.
The law: [/b]A direct free-kick is awarded when a player kicks or attempts to kick an opponent, trips or attempts to trip an opponent, makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling, jumps at an opponent, charges an opponent, strikes or attempts to strike an opponent or pushes an opponent.
A player can receive a yellow card for anything that can be deemed as violent conduct, such as throwing a punch, unsporting behaviour or persistent infringement of the laws, for example, a series of fouls.
[b]Goal.com verdict: [/b]The correct decision - Van Persie was playing a dangerous game lifting his hands and pushing Daniel Alves but the full-back did make a meal of the contact and played a part in the Dutchman's yellow card. It was to prove crucial as the Gunners striker was controversially given his marching orders later in the match.
[b]56th minute
Incident: Van Persie is played in behind the Barcelona defence but is marginally offside. He is not aware of the whistle going and fires a shot wide of the goal.
The ref's decision: [/b]The referee thinks the Dutchman is time wasting and shows him a second yellow card.
[b]Why is it controversial: [/b]The decision upset Arsenal fans because replays showed that the time between the referee's whistle and Van Persie's shot was one second. The Dutch striker himself argued against the decision, saying he did not hear the whistle amongst the noise of 95,000 fans. [b] The law: The referee can give a yellow card to a player who delays the restart of play. A player can be sent off for receiving a second caution in the match.
Goal.com verdict: The wrong decision - The referee thinks he has gone by the letter of the law but this was an absolutely ridiculous decision. Not an ounce of common sense was displayed by the referee and the fact the time between the referee's whistle and the shot was one second rubs salt into the Arsenal wound. It was the key decision and the wrong one. No-one will ever know what the outcome would have been but it certainly had an ffect on the course of the game as it is hard enough to play Pep Guardiola's side with 11 men, let alone 10.
71st minute
Incident: A tired looking challenge from Laurent Koscielny sends Pedro tumbling in the box.
The ref's decision: Penalty, no yellow card. Why is it controversial: No real controversy surrounding this decision. Arsenal could have no complaints as Koscielny clearly brought down Pedro in the box. The referee could have produced a yellow card for the French defender, which would have led to him being sent off for a second caution and the Gunners going down to nine men, but the ref chose not to brandish a card.
The law: A direct free-kick is awarded when a player kicks or attempts to kick an opponent, trips or attempts to trip an opponent or makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling.
If any of these offences are committed by a player inside their own penalty area then it's a penalty.
A player can receive a yellow card for anything that can be deemed as unsporting behaviour or persistent infringement of the laws, for example, a series of fouls.
A player can be sent off for receiving a second caution in the match.
Goal.com verdict: The correct decision - Arsenal could have no complaints about the penalty and it would have been no surprise had the referee gone to his notebook again and sent Koscielny off for a second yellow. He had booked others for much less.
GREAT ARTICLE! ALL SAID AND DONE IT'S POETIC JUSTICE IF YOU ASK ME. LIONEL MESSI DENIED A GREAT GOAL AT THE EMIRATES WHICH COULD HAVE MADE IT 2-0 AT THE POINT AND PROBABLY KILLED OFF THE GAME. (SO PUTTING ALL THE 'IFS' AND 'IFS' AND 'IFS' TOGETHER, IT WAS BARCA'S 4 THE TAKING.)
that's how they whine and yap all day. today its man u, tomorrow its birmingham. justice was done 2 football last nite. if after 2 legs arsenal qualified(with the out playing and domination by barca) the gods of soccer would have gone crazy.
dipo2much: With barca only scorin a goal in the first half,and bosquet scorin a equaliser,the ref knew that barca was on their way out of the CL. So he took it upon himself to push barca thru. I have never seen a striker collect a second yellow card for being offside,or 'wasting time'. Everybody except fools know that that single ref decision is the reason barca went thru. We arsenal fans have nothin to be ashamed of. We have shown that at full strength and without any bias,we will knock barca out over two le
u seem really pissed off and ur comments r disgusting. ure out of touch with reality. maybe u should replay the birmingham game 2.