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kyuubi:
Again with the uninformed argument. The constitution does not, and will never, stipulate punishment for any crime. The penal code, and the criminal code in particular, covers civilian crimes, while the Armed forces act cover military crimes. Anyone that states that the constitution directly stipulates punishment for any crime is talking nonsense.

That the Constitution does not stipulate the punishment for a crime does not mean that those crimes are nonpunishable, as the relevant law codes address them. If you want to see what the punishment for mutiny was in 1966, go and read the Royal Nigerian Army Act 1960 (which was based on the UK army act of 1955 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1955/pdf/ukpga_19550018_en.pdf) in which it is clearly stated that mutiny and treachery are punishable by death.

That mutiny was punishable by death was not peculiar to Nigeria, as that was what was commonly adopted in most countries including US and UK. Of recent, the penalty became life imprisonment when capital punishment was abolished in those countries.

Ironsi had every right and legal backing to execute the 1966 mutineers. He simply did not.

BTW you can read the 1960 constitution here http://www.worldstatesmen.org/nigeria_const1960.pdf. Let me know if you even find the word treason or coup in it.

I thank you for the constitutional link though. There is iota of sentence that granted the Head of State the authority to execute coup plotters. There is no indicated clause that declared military court or court marshal as the final arbiter to issue of life or death in the instances of coup d’etat.

It is very unfortunate that you are reaching for facts. Mutiny is treated differently from the coup d’etat. The only coup treated as mutiny is the coup led by NCOs. I repeat the 1963 Republic Constitution of Nigeria, which was a mirror in image of 1960 except for the offices of Governor-General and Privy Council, did not make provision that coup plotters should be executed.

Ironsi did not have the authority to execute the coup plotters. It was the duty of the three panelist that consisted Gowon, Usman and Yusuf to make recommendations to Judge Advocate-General for necessary charges against the plotters before the court-marshal.

kyuubi:
Any constitution you decide to choose from 1960 till date.

Werent you the one that posted  and
All the bolded parts were nonsense. Mutiny falls under the armed forces act (previously referred to as the Royal Nigerian Army Act of 1960) and treason and allied matters fall under the criminal code. Contrary to your claims, the constitutions does not cover these offences (nor does it cover any other criminal offences) and thus the absence of a reference to the offences is simply because it should and will never be there and not because there was no law on this crimes as you claim.

There is no provision of execution of coup plotters in either 1954, 1960 or1963 constitutions. It does not mean that the constitutions did not stipulate punishment for coup plotters or crime under treasonable felony. I would want you to provide evidence where the 1954, 1960 and 1963 constitutions specified that coup plotters had to be executed which has been the crux of this argument.

babapupa:
lmao @ Biafran Brigades,

Don't you mean rag tag rebels and insurgents engaged in minor bush skirmishes?


Y'all sabi make pesin laugh sha,

You are still stuck in imbecility and refused to enjoy the benefits of this forum by educating your dumb asrs.

No, I meant the Brafran brigades that destroyed the fighting capability of 16th brigade under Utuk and scattered the men of 15th brigade under Makanjuola all over Egbema and Ahoada swamps while running for their stinking lives. The Biafrans brigades that had 17th brigade under Innih scampering across river utamiri running toward Port Harcourt hoping there was a ship to take them to Lagos.

kyuubi:
@dede1
U need to stop writing all those nonsense about the constitution as if it was the penal code.
Does the constitution describe the punishment for armed robbery? If no, can we then say that armed robbery in Nigeria is not punishable by life imprisonment?
The constitution supersedes other laws when there is a conflict, but has no bearing on non-overlapping matters. As armed robbery is under the criminal code, so is mutiny under the armed forces act.
Even till today, mutiny in the Nigerian armed forces is punishable by death. From the Armed Forces Act

52. (1) A person subject to service law under this Act who—
(a) takes part in a mutiny involving the use of violence or the threat of the use of violence or having as its object or one of its objects the refusal or avoidance of any duty or service against, or in connection with operations against the enemy, or the impeding of the performance of that duty or service; or
(b) incites any other person subject to service law under this Act to take part in a mutiny, whether actual or intended,
is guilty of an offence under this subsection and liable, on conviction by a court-martial, to suffer death.

(2) A person subject to service law under this Act who, in a case not falling within subsection (1) of this section, takes part in a mutiny, or incites any person subject to service law to take part in a mutiny, whether actual or intended, is guilty of an offence under this subsection and liable, on conviction by a court-martial, to life imprisonment.
(3) In this section and other sections of this Act, “mutiny” means a combination between two or more persons subject to service law under this Act or between persons, two at least of whom are subject to service law under this Act—
(a) to overthrow or resist lawful authority in the Federation or in any arm or service of the Armed Forces or in any force co-operating with the Armed Forces or in any part of those forces; or
(b) to disobey the authority as is mentioned in paragraph (a) of this subsection in such circumstances as to make the disobedience subversive of discipline, or with the object of avoiding any duty or service against, or in connection with operations against the enemy; or
(c) to impede the performance of any duty or service in the Federation or in any arm or service of the Armed Forces or in any force co-operating with the Armed Forces or in any part of those forces.

Mr. Nigerian constitution, may I ask you which constitution are you ranting about?

oyb:
all this biafra noise is why sun tzu said crush your enemy to a pulp or some such. if nigeria had really run a brutal campaign, all these kids living their father dreams would be singing a different spiel - never again .

You have written like a true son of the soil. Please continue to dream. If these foolish Nigerians thought they would have defeated Biafra, one wonders why the leaders of great Nigeria still sought the help of Britain, USSR, Australia, Egypt, Chad, Arab leagues and Cameroon. Without the help from these countries and numerical superiority of Nigerian side not withstanding, Biafra would have had Nigeria for lunch.

KnowAll:
Does this loony know the boundaries of Rivers and Bayelsa States talk less of knowing where Igbo land meets Ijo and Ibibio lands respectively?  What a waste of Internet bandwidth. Even toward the end of 1969 when Biafran forces of 60, 63, 68 and 52 Brigades were pushing deep into Port Harcourt environs, there were no reprisals because there is no need for such actions as the indigenes of these areas were Biafrans.


First and foremost I dont trade insults on internet forums, that sets me high above most of the hooligans on this forum, back to your point that Biafra troops were welcomed in PortHarcourt,  that was because the cleansing exercise around PH was already completed. Do u expect your kiths and kinsmen to welcome u " with a volley of bullets " think man b4 you type nonesense.

Secondly the Igbos have this obscene penchant of claiming everything east of R. Niger as Igbo land, there is a thread prsently on NL were a convoluted and confused individual claims that the VP Jonathan Goodluck is Igbo. If that is not a classical case of obsession over other peoples property, land and acenstral holdings. What else could be further from the truth. Do u silly Igbo bigots seriously expect a sitting President to refute such unintelligible and crass talk. 

You were once a very good reader with a considerable penchant for comprehension. But I can not say what has happened to you recently. Believe me when an adult behaves like a child, I shall not fail to say so.

I am sorry to bust your bubble because I did not write that “Biafra troops were welcomed in PortHarcourt” I wrote when Biafran Brigades of 60, 68, 63 and 52 were pushing deep into Port Harcourt environs. Actually by late 1969, 52 Brigade under command of Major Frank Okilo had entered Igrinta while 68 Brigade under command of Major Osuagwu with Headquarter at Obirinze had entered Ubime through Umuagwu/Apani/Egbuozuzu. At the same time, 63 Brigade under Lt Col Ihieanacho had Elele and waiting for 60 Brigade under Lt .Col Asoya to come through Oguta /Egbema/Ahoada that already had 15 Brigade under Major Olu Makanjuola of 3MCDO scattering back to Port Harcourt.   

Ndigbo do not claim anybody’s land. I am surprise that you wrote that Ndigbo are claiming everything east of the River Niger as Igbo land. Pal, you could not be more wrong. Actually, Igbo land starts from Agbor which is west of the River Niger. I do not give a rat-arse what ethnicity Goodluck Johanthan claims or belongs. However, if he claims to have hailed from Ogbia LGA of Bayelsa State, he could be either Igbo or Ijo.

When a loafer such as babapupa strolls to this forum to peddle unfounded innuendos and engage in smear campaign against any ethnic group for no reasons other than bigotry, the dumb arse must be properly addressed.

KnowAll:
If you real think that you are true son of your father, I would want you to educate us on the massacre perpetrated on the eastern region of Nigerian ethnic minorities by the leaders of Biafra as you had alleged in your post. I guess you know that the leadership of Biafra was stacked with individuals from the minority ethnic groups of defunct eastern region of Nigeria.


Your rather unbalanced and shifty C in C when the tide of his un-planned, un-thoughtful and untimely military jamboree became sour, he turned his anger in disgust at the tribes in the creeks.

It was not uncommon to see men, women and young boys burnt alive with tyres round their necks accused of being saboteurs of the war effort.

A covert ethnic cleansing policy was fully operational then, the evidence abounds today in present day Rivers and Bayelsa State where Igbo villages have sprung up in areas that where once a sea of Ijaws and Ibibio’s villages. The ethnic composition of these areas bears no semblance to what it was in the 17th and 18th century.

I think this crap is classical example of one of the disadvantages of Internet which provides unchecked and unlimited access to the wrong people.

I am appalled at the depth of cluelessness some people will dive without being arrested. Does this loony know the boundaries of Rivers and Bayelsa States talk less of knowing where Igbo land meets Ijo and Ibibio lands respectively?  What a waste of Internet bandwidth. Even toward the end of 1969 when Biafran forces of 60, 63, 68 and 52 Brigades were pushing deep into Port Harcourt environs, there were no reprisals because there is no need for such actions as the indigenes of these areas were Biafrans.

Unlike the elements of 3MCDO that massacred civilians at Ogba-Egbama after a Brigade under a Yoruba commander was routed by the pursuing Biafran forces.

The two out of the four Biafran Brigades that were mentioned in the above paragraphs and operated in the vicinity of Port Harcourt were commanded by Ijo and Ibibio sons.

[quote author=KnowAll ]I sense the same laissez fair attitude in your right up towards the lesser igbo tribes in the swamps, your views are similar if not more radical than those of your voyeuristic, sadistic, and absconding vagabond CinC called Ojukwu.

Thank God u where not born or maybe u were a kid during the pogroms of this lesser Igbos, you would have done a better job than the uneducated rascals that were around then. [/color][/quote]If you really think that you are true son of your father, I would want you to educate us on the massacre perpetrated on the eastern region of Nigerian ethnic minorities by the leaders of Biafra as you had alleged in your post. I guess you know that the leadership of Biafra was stacked with individuals from the minority ethnic groups of defunct eastern region of Nigeria.

KnowAll:
Ojukwu is guilty of dragging the rather docile people of the delta into an unjust adventurism, I am sure he has had the fun he craves to the detriment of the poor souls wasted in an igbo show of unwanted and unwarranted bravado in the face of clear and definate defeat and humilation. Having exhausted his fathers funds and that of the eastern region, this gentleman if I can be excused from using such high accolade on a butcher who saw the degredation and annihilation of another human being simply because they are from a lesser tribe as a voyeurism worthy of exploring.

His stance during the 3 years war against Nigeria cannot be too far off from those of Joseph Goebel of the famed SS who explored the weakness and meekness of the jews even in the face of defeat as a cause worthy of pursueing, sodomy, dehumanising treatment of the lesser igbos was rapant and rife so was summarily excution, the earlier the sons and daughters of these abuse tribes raise their voices the better it would be for Nigeria, invariably that woud bring a closure to this dark history of our past.

Please do not reduce this thread to the level of elementary school social studies of yesteryear. This thread is dealing with Nigeria, northern, western, mid-western and eastern regions of 1960 era. I have zero patience for idiotic political nomenclatures such as Niger Delta and south-south coined because of wholesome greed for crude oil. Have you questioned your dilapidated consciousness why there are no coinages such as north-north, west-west and east-east in Nigeria?

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=397601.msg5526054#msg5526054 date=1266344053]THE mere mention of coup d’etat, the
unconstitutional and violent overthrow
of incumbent governments, sends down
shivers and evokes traumatic memories
from any country’s nationals. It recreates
those anguished images that
overwhelmed the populace when the finger
pulled the trigger.
Every citizen is haunted by mortal fear of
the day’s uncertainty and
discusses it in hushed tones, cautious that
nobody eavesdrops. The penalty
for participation is maximum: death. It,
therefore, makes it a condemnable
high risk venture. But some initiators still
damn the consequences. It is
all because it possesses limitless attractions
and guarantees inexhaustible
opportunities.
Its charm is almost irresistible. Those who
get hooked hardly would divorce
their other collaborators. They, somewhat,
lose every sense of reason and
would muster whatever resources to
actualise such a dream. When successful,
they become instant heroes.
Conversely, they are society’s villains once
the plot is aborted by superior
strategies or gun-power of the man in the
saddle. Curiously, the coupists
seek escape routes. Once arrested,
investigated and convicted, they begin
the final journey to the firing range or long
periods of incarceration.
Suddenly, the world invokes sympathy
from all quarters to avoid
blood-letting. Coups have their prizes and
the other prices.
Usually, in every attempt, there are victims
and the survivors. Afterall,
human beings in authority are the targets.
The mission is almost always to
eliminate the regime’s henchmen and take
over power or to simply shove them
aside without wasting lives. In this case, a
coup can either be bloody or
bloodless.THE mere mention of coup d’etat, the
unconstitutional and violent overthrow
of incumbent governments, sends down
shivers and evokes traumatic memories
from any country’s nationals. It recreates
those anguished images that
overwhelmed the populace when the finger
pulled the trigger.
Every citizen is haunted by mortal fear of
the day’s uncertainty and
discusses it in hushed tones, cautious that
nobody eavesdrops. The penalty
for participation is maximum: death. It,
therefore, makes it a condemnable
high risk venture. But some initiators still
damn the consequences. It is
all because it possesses limitless attractions
and guarantees inexhaustible
opportunities.
Its charm is almost irresistible. Those who
get hooked hardly would divorce
their other collaborators. They, somewhat,
lose every sense of reason and
would muster whatever resources to
actualise such a dream. When successful,
they become instant heroes.
Conversely, they are society’s villains once
the plot is aborted by superior
strategies or gun-power of the man in the
saddle. Curiously, the coupists
seek escape routes. Once arrested,
investigated and convicted, they begin
the final journey to the firing range or long
periods of incarceration.
Suddenly, the world invokes sympathy
from all quarters to avoid
blood-letting. Coups have their prizes and
the other prices.
Usually, in every attempt, there are victims
and the survivors. Afterall,
human beings in authority are the targets.
The mission is almost always to
eliminate the regime’s henchmen and take
over power or to simply shove them
aside without wasting lives. In this case, a
coup can either be bloody or
bloodless.
it all began in the
early hours of January 15,
1966 when Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu
conspired with four other majors to
strike. And with the summary sacking of the
First Republic by these Five
Revolutionaries, the course of Nigeria’s
political history was irreparably
altered. Soon after that intervention,
Nzeogwu offered reasons to justify
their action.
His broadcast identified as enemies "the
political profiteers, the
swindlers, the men in high and low places
that seek bribes and demand ten
per cent, those that seek to help the country
divided permanently so that
they can remain in office as ministers or
VIPs at least, the tribalists, the
nepotists, those that make the country look
big for nothing before
international circles, those who have
corrupted our society and put the
Nigerian political calendar back by their
words and deeds."
Nigerians, today, harbour sundry
perceptions about the Nzeogwu coup which
marked the beginning of a new era in
Nigeria’s history, certainly
negatively. However, there is still an
agreement that before the putsch,
there were barely tolerable acrimonies and
dichotomies along tribal lines.
Commentators continue to question the
propriety and timeliness of that
action even as the topic remains open to
individual interpretations and
rationalisations.
However, ascertainable facts can only aid
our collective appreciation of
where coups have left Nigeria as a nation.
Prior to January 15, 1966, there
were blatant electoral malpractices. There
was palpable distrust and tribal
hatred. The future was uncertain. Then
dramatically, five army majors
decided that it was time to effect change at
the centre. When they finally
struck, it was damn bloody.
Victims of Jan. 15, 1966 coup
The citizens were terribly shocked when
top-ranking government functionaries
including the Prime Minister, Alhaji Abubakar
Tafawa Balewa, were killed in
a selective elimination that tended to give
the whole exercise an ethnic
coloration. Others who died were the
premier of Northern Region, Sir Ahmadu
Bello; the premier of Western Nigeria, Chief
Samuel Ladoke Akintola and the
Finance Minister, Chief Festus Okotie-Eboh.
Also, Brig. S.A. Ademulegun, Major S.A.
Adegoke, Lt. Col. J.Y. Pam, Brig.
Zakari Maimalari and Col. Kur Mohammed
died. Others who lost their lives
included Lt. Col. Largema, S/Lt. James Odu,
Col. S.A. Shodeinde and Lt. Col.
A.G. Unegbe.
Survivors
Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe was at this time the
President of the Federal Republic of
Nigeria but he had shortly left for overseas
shortly before the coup. This
way, he survived. But tongues were sent
wagging as to whether his trip was a
result of any privileged information. Dr.
Michael Okpara, the premier of
Eastern Region was also a survivor of the
first military intervention in
Nigeria, among others.
But despite the resistance mounted by
troops loyal to the incumbent regime,
Chief Nwafor Orizu who was the then
Senate President and acting President
would not be convinced that there was
enough peace for democratic
governance. As a result, he handed over
power to Major-Gen. Thomas Umunnakwe
Aguiyi-Ironsi. The latter’s introduction of a
unitary system of government
was most ill-advised and roused some ill-
tempers.
Owing to the high number of Northern
casualties, the intervention was seen
as one directed at that tribe. And when the
North took its pound of flesh on
July 29, 1966, it was such a colossal tragedy for the igbo**********List of those Killed in the April 1990 Coup
Trial
KILLED
Major Gideon Orkar
?Major Charles Idele
Captain NH Empere
Captain PA Dakolo
Capt AA Nonju
Lt. AE Akogun
Lt. CO Odey
Lt. CO Ozualor
Lt. NEO Deji
2/Lt AB Umukoro
2/Lt EJ Ejesuku
SSgt Julius Itua
Sgt Martins Ademokhai
Sgt. Pius Ilegar
WO2 Monday Bayefa
L/Cpl Francis Ogo
L/Cpl Jepta Inesei
Cpl. Sunday Effiong
L/Cpl Sam Mbakwe
L/Cpl Albert Ojerangbe
L/Cpl Godfrey Deesiiyira
L/Cpl Emma Oyemolan
Sgt. Stephen Iyeke
Cpl. Joseph Efe
WO Afolabi Moses
L/Cpl Idowu Azeez
WO Jonathan Ekini
S/Sgt Solomon Okungbowa
Private Richard Iseghoei
Private Egwolo Makpamekun
L/Cpl Edogamen Friday
S/Sgt Jolly Agbodowi
Sgt. Etim Umoh
L/Cpl Sam Obasuyi
Ex. Serviceman LC Otajareiri
Ex. Pvt Osazuwa Osifo
Ex. Pvt CP Wasiu Lawal
Ex. Pvt Peter Unuyoma
Ex. Pvt Synalman Goodluck Emefe
Ex. S/Sgt Samson Idegere
Pvt. Emmanuel Onoje
Trooper Roland Odogu
Corporal Lateef Awolola
Pvt. Dickson Omenka
Corp Ehietan Pius
Private Iroabuchi Anyalewechi
Private Henry Eguaoyi
L/Cpl Martins Odey
L/Cpl Sunday Asuquo
Trooper Celestine Ofuoku
Pvt. Anthony Korie
Pvt Thomas Angor
Pvt Edem Basi
Pvt Joseph Odey
Trooper Obioma Esiworo
L/C Magnus Ekechi
WO2 Godwin Donkon
Sgt. Ojo Adegboyega
Pvt Peter Abua
Pvt. Phillip Akamkpo
Sgt. Shehu Onleje
Corp Olanrewaju Ogunshola
L/Cpl Luka Yang
Trooper Malkily Ayogu
L/Cpl Andrew Onah
Michael Ebeku
***********************
JAILED
L/Cpl Ezekiel Akudu
Pvt Ibrahim Egwa
Sgt. John Alilu
Sgt. Andarich Eladon
L/Cpl David Amo Amo
L/Cpl Vitalis Udzea
************************
DISMISSED
L/Cpl Celestine Nebo
L/Cpl Wapami Adigio
L/Cpl Mike Odeniyi
L/Cpl Kingsley Aromeh
Sgt. Lawrence Ademola
Signal Man Fatai Daranijo
Pvt. Godwin Airomokha
Sgt. John Benson
L/Cpl Vincent Ozigbo
L/Cpl David Oke
CASUALTY
Lt. Col. UK Bello (General Babangida's ADC)[/quote]Please try to educate yourself and get acquainted with the facts about Nigerian history. So far you appeared completely lost as you blunder from one topic to another. Nobody has said that coup and actions that could qualify as treasonable felony are constitutional. The main crux of the argument is when you wrote that Ironsi’s failure to execute the plotters of January 15, 1966 coup tantamount to Ironsi being involved in the said coup.

Again, my plank of the argument was that such statement is an arrant nonsense because the Nigerian constitution of the era in discourse did not stipulate such provision. I wonder why you have not accused Tafawa Balewa of complicity in Awo’s grand scheme of treason because the Prime Minister did not execute Awo.

Awolowo committed a treasonable felony and we are yet to hear from you calling for execution of your grandfather. Awolowo and his cohorts were not hanged or executed because the Nigerian constitution at the time has no such clause.

babapupa:
Stop crying like a b!t!c.h.

Blockade is a standard war strategy, your weak and incompetent war leader should have made arrangements to secure and stockpile food before he opened his fish mouth to declare war on a superior and better equipped army.

And y'all need to quit the victim routine, it's overplayed because the biafran army was not a bystander, they were in a war, they shoot, bombed and killed people on the other side too and in wars, there's always a winner and a loser, not both. You lost.

Deal with it and quit crying.

The undisputable son of a bi-tch, you are indeed your father’s son. You must be referring to the wrong person. I am a proud Biafran. Despite the courageous defeat suffered in the hand of Nigerians and its allies, the tinny Biafra showed the world what a true African country was capable of doing.

I do not ask for apologies but would always remind the Biafrans not to forget the word- “REVENGE” as our battle cry

@post

This is a deliberate and imbecilic smear campaign against Ojukwu and Biafrans. At the backdrop of statements accredited to one Col B Adekunle of saying “I do not want to see no Red Cross, no Caritas, etc”, the infamous statements of “starvation being a weapon of war” by trio of Awo Enahoro Ayida and the water-tight blockade of Biafra by Nigerian government, shameless dullards are finding joy in hearing that Ojukwu starved the Biafran children to death because he refused the ploy of quick-kill death by allowing Nigerians to poison shipments of foods meant for Biafra through Apapa Wharf. Ojukwu could be anything and certainly, stupidity is not one of them.

If this nonsense is believable, why on earth did Nigerian government stand up blockade of Biafra? Why did Flt. Lieutenants Gbadamosi King of Nigerian Air force and Brown of the Australian Air force both pilots of Nigerian MIGs incessantly harassed and shot down planes engaged in food relief efforts into Biafra. A Swedish pilot lost his life while bringing foods and medical supplies to Biafra. He was shot down by Nigerian MIG flown by Flt. Lieutenant Brown of the Australian Air force.

All these loudmouthed offspring of deluded cowards should not be blamed for their incessant smear campaign against the Ndigbo during and after the Nigeria/Biafra civil war.

I unflinchingly lay my piercing blames on Ironsi who acted so foolishly by appointing three northern Nigerians to constitute the fact-finding panel that will determine the charges and recommendations to the Judge Advocate-General for court-marshal proceedings and by remaining docile like daily drunkard while surrounding himself with back stabbers and blood suckers.

The three panelists were Lt Col Gowon, Captain Bala Usman and CP Yusuf. These men knew the stipulations of Nigerian constitution concerning the matter of coup and decided to delay their recommendations to the Judge Advocate-General while seriously planning a coup. Three stooges in cohort with northern region of Nigerian elites and southern Nigerian celebrated cowards instigated the propaganda that Ironsi failed to do anything against the January 15, 1966 coup plotters. I have never for one day regretted or sorrowed over his death.

I pray that no family of Igbo people shall ever bear a child in the clone of Ironsi.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=397601.msg5524277#msg5524277 date=1266328601]@dede1-**stop trying to cover the s tupidity and complicity if ironsi.the nigeria constitution does not stipulate execution for coupist BUT THE MILTITARY RULE STIPLUTATES DEATH PENALTY TO ACTS OF MUTINY/TREASON WHICH COUP FALLS INTO.get your facts before before jumping into unnececssary conclusion.the fact was that nzeogwu talked ironsi into pardoning the coupist and he obliged.@theblessed--your long stories are a fallout of the recklessness of ojukwu.was it jealousy that made igbo truncate the post-independence democracy? thereby organized a coup that killed the sadauna, akintola and others.the fact is that the war was is an outcome of an igbo coup and a counter hausa coup that later degenerated into tribal distrust between the hausa and igbo,thereby leading to the war[/quote]It is either you have refused to grow up or blocked your dumb arse to get educated while still enjoying the benefits of this forum. What section of military code of conduct according your figment of imagination that “stipulated death penalty to act of mutiny/treason which coup falls into”?

Let me inform you that the constitutional stipulations of any country trump any existing laws in a particular country be it either military codes or statutory codes.

It is very shameful that ethnic bigotry has clouded your dilapidated thinking faculty and you are willing to blunder by telling unfounded falsehood. Nigeria must disintegrate to usher new sense of direction to the people and remove clowns among us.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=397601.msg5520419#msg5520419 date=1266273372]The above is contrary to accounts by very credible eyewitnesses who were present at the Aburi meeting. Where did you get your own misinformation?

Ojukwu actually agreed that Gowon should be head of state. The only request Ojukwu made was that Gowon should not be addressed as the Supreme Commander, as Ironsi was. Ojukwu wanted Gowon to be addressed as head of state.

Brigadier Ogundipe, who was next to Ironsi in rank, could not succeed him as head of state. Ogundipe sacrificed his career and his status to restore peace to Nigeria.

What's your source of information? Do you have any specific reason why we should not believe Gen. Mobolaji Johnson's account of these events as stated above?[/quote]I guess you believed the fact that dissension among the opposing sides that led to shooting war was that Ojukwu announced the Aburi conference agreements before Gowon did. Ojukwu announced the outcome of Aburi conference before Gowon in order to pre-emptive that crap accredited to Mobolaji Johnson. Why should I believe anything coming from a dedicated coward such as Moblaji Johnson? The last time I checked though, Mobolaji Johnson was on the Nigeria side and towing to the dictates of his masters from northern region of Nigeria.

You wrote that “Brigadier Ogundipe, who was next to Ironsi in rank, could not succeed him as head of state. Ogundipe sacrificed his career and his status to restore peace to Nigeria.”

What a condescending loads of rubbish. Did Ogundipe resign his commission into Nigerian army? Why could Ogundipe not succeed Gen Ironsi while he was second in command and most senior officer standing both in rank and position held?
Do you think it was rather a coincidence than design that Ogundipe did not find his way to Aburi, Ghana?

babapupa:
Established by Obafemi Awolowo in 1949, the Nigerian Tribune is the oldest surviving private newspaper in Nigeria.


For dede1  or any brave Igboan,  please Itemize what legacies your not grass cutting eastern elites left for future Igbo generations?


I keep telling you, we are not in the same league.

What an arrant nonsense that depicts the wanton lack of knowledge and err of personal grandeur. Why is it prevalent that the peeps from Yoruba had this unqualified audacity to claim a slightest success in Lagos either to the credit of Awolowo or one obscure Yoruba organization? 

I can not fathom the reason behind the need to disseminate blatant falsehood just to spike the image of an ethnic group or person from such ethnicity. I read a piece of junk on this forum that was credited to a slowpoke called babapupa who appeared as an individual that totally lost faith in history. The mentally deranged poster in babapupa listed every incorporated outfit in Lagos and assigned the glory of creation of such corporations to either Awolowo or the obscure tribal organization such as Odua. 

For example, the drunkard named babapupa wrote among other company formed by Awolowo to include, “Lagos Airport Hotel Limited”.
   
“Lagos Airport Hotel started business in 1942 as Grand Hotels and was later expanded and renamed Ikeja Arms Inn in 1956. In 1961, it became known as Lagos Airport Hotel. It is located on the popular Obafemi wolowo Way, Ikeja, Lagos State. It has a total of 277 rooms, three restaurants, a standard swimming pool and a number of conference rooms. The hotel also engages in outdoor catering for all occasions.”

I have not seen such self-incriminating and damnable indictment as this statement. By the date given by the demented author as the time Lagos Airport Hotel Limited stated business, Awolow was still a street money-changer in Lagos, stitching together every penny that came his way in order to fulfill his ambition of studying overseas and could hardly feed himself talk less of starting such a business outfit.

The moronic poster also engaged in another public display of stupidity by unleashing the list of companies allegedly owned or that much fractional holdings in the companies will tilt ownership to an obscure Yoruba organization such as Odua. This list is as shown below:

“Guinness (Nig.) Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State.

International Breweries Plc, Ilesa, Osun State.

Macmillian Publishers (Nig) Limited, Ilupeju, Lagos

Nestle Food (Nig) Plc, Ikeja, Lagos State

Nidogas Company Limited, Lagos State

Niger Mills Company Limited, Calabar, Cross River State

Nigerian Aluminium Extrusions Limited, Lagos

SKG-Pharma (Nig.) Limited, Lagos

Tower Aluminium (Nig.) Plc, Lagos

U. A. C. of Nigeria Plc., Lagos

Niger Delta Explorations & Production Plc,

Bitumen exploration & exploitation Co. Nig. Ltd.

SUNDRY HOLDINGS COMPANIES .

African Petroleum Plc

AIICO Insurance Plc

First Bank Nigeria Plc

Flour Mills Nigeria Plc

Intercontinental Bank Plc

Nigerian Breweries Plc

R. T. Briscoe (Nig.) Plc

Spring Bank Plc

PZ Industries Plc

S C O A Nigeria Plc

Union Bank of Nig. Plc

United Bank for Africa

Vitafoam (Nigeria) Plc

Ecobank Plc

NIMAPAK Nig. Plc

Con-oil Plc

John Holt Plc”

For the sake of argument, does this intellectual nobody called babapupa really understood the history of the Protectorates that metamorphosed into Nigeria and Royal Niger Company? When will this stupidity come to end? The only outfit created by western Nigerian regional government under Awo was WNDC that has long degenerated into IICC and is about to slide into the grave as 3sc.

olafolarin:
Do i have to remind you that we have been in opposition since the advent of democracy in Nigeria except for the Akintola /Akinjide interlude.SW was and is still denied major FG projects which will have developed the region more than it is right now.Awolowo built premier institutions(U.I.,NTA Ibadan,O.A.U.,etc) with proceeds from cocoa and progressive tax regime.

What an arrant nonsense. I am sure you are better than this load of rubbish. With all due respect, Awolowo was cutting resident’s lawns in Essex, London to survive for a day when University College, Ibadan was founded. If you can not remember the legacy of WNDC in Ibadan, I suggest you quit writing about development, proceeds from Cocoa and Awolowo.

It is unfortunate that this thread had attracted less informed bigots that strive in disseminating falsehood. I could not believe the fact that a retired Brigadier and former Nigeria army chief staff had the gut to spew that Ojukwu disagreed with Nigerian side in Aburi based on rivalry with Gowon. Ojukwu was not Gowon’s rival in the army.

However, Ojukwu insisted on prevailing discipline and military parlance that dictate that succession should be a matter of seniority. Based on this doctrine, Ojukwu simply insisted that Brigadier Ogundipe, who was the COSS and second in command to Ironsi, should be the Head of State and Command-in-Chief in the absence of the Gen. Ironsi. 

It is very shameful to read from a post where Robert Adebayo accused the Wole Ademeoyega of being rascal who wanted to lead his grandfather. What an irony coming from a Colonel and COAS who decided to be an errand boy to a Lt. Col. Gowon who wanted to lead the army and a country over a Brigadier.

The poster, who is ignoramus ~Bluetooth, consistently displayed his/her idiocy and brazen lack of knowledge on constitutional matters that prevailed during the era of 1966-Nigeria. The wantonly clueless ~Bluetooth accused Ironsi of complicity in January 15, 1966 coup because Ironsi failed to execute the coup plotters. I can not believe that this drooling slowpoke called Bluetooth does not know that Nigerian constitution as of 1966 has no provision which demands that coup plotters should be executed. Again, the working government papers for Nigeria in 1966 did not require the execution of coup plotters.

It is an irony of faith that Obasanjo, who introduced the decree stipulating the execution of coup plotters after the assassination of Murtal Mohammed, wept like a coward pleading for his stinking miserable life when Abacha caught his arse while planning a coup.

To the best of my knowledge, this practice has been in existence in Lagos since 70s.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=397601.msg5513951#msg5513951 date=1266200878]Have you been drinking Valentine whiskey again? I did not make reference anywhere on this thread to a landlocked biafra.[/quote]It is my bad if I had mistaken you for some of the Internet loafers that stroll onto this forum.

@biina

With all due respect, Awolowo was cutting lawns in Essex, London to survive for a day when University College, Ibadan was founded.

biina:
and therein lies your folly, as that day will never come. You will never be able to take on the FG on your own.
Instead of you to strive to gain your legitimate influence in the government, you are wasting energy chewing the curd on history, and putting at a disadvantage your descendants.
Its 40yrs after the Civil war and your day of vengeance is yet to come, and I can promise that you will wait till the coming of Christ and will still not have it.

In fact, a reasonable and well-informed person from northern region of Nigeria would never utter this nonsense. This is reason that the incessant calls for southern Nigeria to form a confederation out of the cesspit called Nigeria induces me to laugh. At least, you got it right that Biafrans have not forgotten the history about Nigeria/Biafra civil war.

@ndu_chuks


Wow!!! It is quite a deceitful shenanigan that few dullards would stroll onto Internet and begin to campaign for the reign of unity in colonial contraption called Nigeria.

Let us try being logical by stating that in any country that had experienced coup d’etat, the ethnic group that has the largest number of officers cadre in the country’s armed forces would likely have the larger number of participating officers than ethnic groups with relative small number of officers. Whether the January 15, 1966 coup was Igbo dominated or not remains irrelevant and should not have instigated pogrom in northern region of Nigeria if there were no ulterior political motives.

One wonders why the February 13, 1976 coup that eliminated Murtala Mohammed did not precipitate a likely pogrom. I recall the cabal of officers that partook in coup which took out Murtala was not dominated by Fulani. In fact, there was no Fulani in the group. Or Murtala Mohammed was not loved and the favorite child of the northern region of Nigeria.

I could not be more disappointed in your intellect or lack thereof than reading about your statement that Biafra was landlocked. For the umpteenth time, Biafra was defunct eastern region of Nigeria

RoadStar:
Most of you were not born during the war but my regret is that there are very few objective elderly Igbo men and women who have cared to research for the truth instead of pushing a lot of lies which are mostly propaganda, was used by Ojukwu to arouse Biafran Nationalist feeling and anti-Nigerian passions which I must say was needed during the war.
During war the first culprit is always the truth.
Do you think Ukpabi Asika was the only Biafran traitor that lived ?
Did your parents bother to tell you that most Igbo political class were against the war includung Amb. Ralph Uwechue the present president of ohaneze.

There are two main culprits who have most blood on their hands but are never adequately mentioned.
Mass murderers who could sacrifice millions of lives for political expediency.
These two parties do not get enough mention in the whole Biafran episode.
They are Ojukwu and the British Government (Harold Wilson).

Another bloody nonsense spewed by somebody that seemed to lost faith in history. Hausa, Fulani, Igbo, Yoruba or numerous ethnicities in the colonial contraption called Nigeria are not final arbiter on the path 1966-Nigeria should follow.

There was a coup in January 15, 1966. I recalled the coup was instigated by soldiers of Nigerian army. I could not fathom the reason why some sections of Nigeria should embark on pogrom because Nigerian soldiers overthrew the seating government.

In line with any military doctrine, if you wish to partake in a coup make sure that the coup is completely successful without a spot of opposition. Both January 15 and July 29, 1966 coups were not completely successful to deter any opposition.

The July 29, 1966 coup of Nigerian soldiers was not successful because other Nigerian forces in the eastern region of Nigeria simply demanded the strict adherence to universally accepted military parlance of chain of command. If Gowon and northern Nigerian political elites, who thought that they were born to rule Nigeria, had accepted Ojukwu’s plead for adherence to chain of command military doctrine, there should not have been secession. 

The single act of rudeness, spate of indiscipline that was unbecoming of officer and gentleman on the part of Gowon and northern Nigerian officers and deviation from the military parlance of chain of command led Ojukwu to vehemently oppose the coup.

Now, Gowon and Harold Wilson do not need to declare war on eastern Nigeria if the Nigerian forces in the area insisted on proper adherence to chain of command which British had drummed into the ears of Nigerian military trainees. I am not surprised that British and its Labor Prime Minister Harold Wilson encouraged Gowon to declare war on eastern region of Nigeria after British had declared eastern region of Nigeria the most lucrative piece of real estate in the world months earlier.   

In the event of Nigeria/Biafra civil war that is still raging on, the undisputable culprits that have most blood on their hands were the Gowon, entire northern region of Nigeria, British, USSR, Australia, Chad, Niger, Cameroon, Arab leagues and the ethnic groups of southern Nigeria that joined the Nigerian vandals assembled by Gowon to perpetrate a war of attrition on Biafra.

SEFAGO:
So if the Oba of lagos for example decides that he is sick of all the non-lagos people in his place and wants to declare the sovereignty of lagos as a country- do you expect the Nigerian Governement to watch?

Secession is a crime IMO. I dont know where mekusxx is from but its not Ok to just claim you want to create an autonomous government within a federal territory without expecting war. WTH

As usual as ever, the poster, a confused intellectual midget, had generated another dumb analogy. It is only a wondering day dreamer that can insinuate an example where a person seating on a useless throne such as Oba of Lagos shall wake up from deep slumber and declare secession.