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Katsumoto:

I take it you are referring to the grand escape as Biafran soldiers invaded the mid-west.

Pal, the dude added another dimension to the alleged issue of global warming. He proffered human power.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=371915.msg5221752#msg5221752 date=1262232304]Dede1, Your  pitiful attempts at distorting historical events while accusing others of doing the same thing, is appallin. The  Jaunuary Coup was an Igbo coup, period! Inaddition to facts that you dismiss by providing useless explanations to support your bogus claims, a very credible eyewitness to the event, Major General David Akpode Ejoor, political and military leaders of Igbo extraction had nursed the ambition of upturning the Nigerian political space because their leading light, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, emerged only as a nominal Governor-General while power resided in another geo-political zone.

I find Ejoors historical accounts more credible than those of  Nowa Omoigue,  a "historian" who has been wrong on several occasions continue to bury your head in the sand, soon enough you'll need some fresh air.[/quote]Even with the time you spent on this board, you still have not learnt to differentiate seeds from chives. It is unfortunate that you described David Ejoor as a credible eyewitness. This appalling assertion is akin to describing hotel attendant as eyewitness to the coup. During the H-hour of the January 15, 1966 coup, David Ejoor was hiding in the equipment room of one the hotels in Lagos and never showed face until the coup plotters were arrested. In some circle of close friends and relatives, it was alleged that Ejoor had been killed because he did come out of his hiding place in the hotel for 5 days.

I mentioned Nowa Omogui because the dude had down some in-depth research about the military issues of the era. My beef with Nowa Omogui is that sometime his historical accounts become condescendingly disingenuous. 

I had rather accept your skewed and worthless historical accounts of the era than to accept the conjectural craps from the alleged cyclist such as David Ejoor.

Katsumoto:
The July coup could not have mirrored federal character because it was clearly a revenge coup. Adegoke was killed in Jan 66 by a northern soldier who assumed that he was one of the coupists. Please see chapter 7 Oil, Politics and Violence: Nigeria's Military Coup Culture (1966-1976).

If you argue that the officers killed were eliminated for strategic reasons, why not Ironsi, Njoku, Imo who were in Lagos, Kurubo was equally in Kaduna, and Ojukwu who was in Kano. I already alluded to the possibility that Adebayo was not killed because he was not in the country. Dede, please explain to me the STRATEGIC reason why Ironsi was not killed?

Last question, was it really necessary to kill all those people?

It is your prerogative to select whom you want to idolize and castigate. But you do not have the same privilege to distort history from truth.

The OP-Immediate signal to the coup plotters was to arrest the targeted objects. If the objects resist arrest, then maximum force deemed necessary should be applied to subdue the objects.

Major Onwuatuegwu was assigned to flush out Brig. S. Ademulogun: CO 1st Brigade, Col Shodeinde: Commandant NMTC and 2IC 1st Brigade, Lt. Col. Korubo: CO 3rd Battalion and Alhaji Kashim Ibarhim: Governor of northern region of Nigeria.

Brig. Ademulegun and his wife were shot to dead because the CO resisted arrest. The wife was inadvertently shot as she tried to protect her husband.

Col. Shodeinde was shot and stray bullet injured his second wife who was pregnant at the time. The wounded wife of the Colonel did not die as a result of the gun shot wound.

Lt. Col G. Korubo, CO 3rd Battalion was in army headquarters in Lagos.

Alhaji Kashim Ibarhim was arrested without any shot fired.

I can not fathom what informed your opinion of idolizing one coup plotter and vilifying the others. 

It has been allegedly written that Ironsi was tipped off by the wife of Brig Zakariya Maimalari after soldiers chased her husband to the backyard. Even though Maj. Okafor’s team gave a chase but Ironsi was able to elude the pursuing squad by driving into Yaba military cantonment.

Again, Maj. Adegoke was shot by the mutinous northern soldiers of 4th Battalion, Ibadan. Please read the Nigeria’s Five Majors, Nowa Omoigue and Why We Struck.

In addition to targeting soldiers in command positions, soldiers accused of introducing tribalism into the army, nepotism, involved in shady financial deals and those that reduced themselves as errand boys of the corrupt politicians were equally targeted.

Katsumoto:
I agree with number 2 and 3 but I disagree with the rest. Look at the lists below.

Coup plotters
Major Emmanuel Ifeajuna - Igbo
Major Patrick Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu - Mid-west Igbo
Major Tim Onwuategwu - Igbo
Major Don Okafor - Igbo
Major Chris Anuforo - Igbo
Major Humphrey Chukwuka - Igbo
Major Adewale Ademoyega - Yoruba
Captain Emmanuel Nwobosi - Igbo
Captain Ben Gbulie - Igbo
Captain Oji - Igbo
Some argue that Kpera was a Northern soldier but he was not an officer nor was he high command.
Add to the list above Major Obienu who did not turn up on the morning of the coup.


Victims in red and italic below
Alhaji Abubakar Tafawa Balewa – PM North
Sir Ahmadu Bello Gov Northern Region
Chief Samuel Ladoke Akintola Gov Western Region
Chief Festus Okotie-Eboh Finance Minister Mid-west

Major-General Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi GOC – Nigerian Army East: Igbo
Commodore Joseph Wey Commanding Officer – Navy Mixed Yoruba/eastern minority
Brigadier Samuel Ademulegun CO – 2nd Brigade – Kaduna West: Yoruba
Brigadier Zakariya Maimalari CO – 1st Brigade – Lagos North: Kanuri
Brigadier Babafemi Ogundipe Nigerian military attaché in London West: Yoruba
Colonel Kur Mohammed (Acting) Chief of Staff at Army HQ –North: Kanuri
Colonel Ralph Shodeinde Deputy-Commander, NMTC: Kaduna West: Yoruba
Colonel Robert Adeyinka Adebayo Attending a course in London West: Yoruba
Lt-Colonel Yakubu Gowon Preparing to take over command of the 2nd battalion North: Angas
Lt-Colonel Francis Fajuyi (was on leave in his home town of Abeokuta during the coup) CO 1st Battalion – Enugu West: Yoruba
Lt-Colonel Hilary Njoku CO – 2nd Battalion – Lagos East: Igbo
Lt-Colonel George Kurubo CO – 3rd Battalion – Kaduna East: Rivers
Lt-Colonel Abogo Largema CO – 4th Battalion – Ibadan North: Kanuri
Lt-Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu CO – 5th Battalion – Kano East: Igbo
Lt-Colonel James Pam Adjutant-General of the Nigerian Army North: Birom
Lt-Colonel Arthur Unegbe Quartermaster-General  Mid-West: Igbo
Lt-Colonel Ime Imo CO – Lagos Garrison East: Igbo
Major Hassan Usman Katsina CO – 2nd Reconnaissance squadron – Kaduna North: Fulani
Major John Obienu CO – 1st Reconnaissance squadron – Abeokuta East: Igbo
Major Adegoke - Not sure of his command - West: Yoruba

It remains unclear why Unegbe was killed but some argue that he was killed because of his closeness to Maimalari. Adebayo and Ogundipe were overseas, so we can not speculate whether they may have been killed or not. Fajuyio was on leave in Abeokuta; again we can not speculate on what could have become of him. Some argue that he sympathised with the plotters.
Ironsi jailed the coupists but he failed to court-martial them. That was the first statement made to him by Danjuma when the Northerners struck back in July. These are the facts; let everyone reach their own conclusions.

There is nothing on papers that says coup d’etat should mirror the federal character of Nigeria. Anybody that clings to the fact that the January 15, 1966 coup was Igbo because the plotters were predominately Igbo extractions is just being condescendingly disingenuous. What about the July 29, 1966 coup? Did the July 29, 1966 coup also mirror the federal character of Nigeria?

The lamentation about the coup being Igbo is just a ploy to derogate the action of group of people that stood up against the aggressor. It is also serves as shield in which to hide the despicable cowardice displayed in front of the aggressors.

Soldiers such as Lt. John Atom Kpera and Captain JS Jallo were implicated in the January 15, 1966 coup. However, the combined investigative panel of military and police consisted of Gowon, Usman and Yusuf made sure that coup plotters are mainly Igbo in particular and southern Nigeria in general.

The politicians and military officers you listed in red were legitimate targets for the January 15, 1966 coup plotters.

Please if I may add, Maj. Adegoke was killed during the July 29, 1966 coup. Col. Shodeinde was not only the commandant of NMTC, Kaduna but second-in-command in 1st Brigade, Kaduna.

Col. Robert Adebayo would have been marked for elimination if he was not on course in London because the Col. was the Army Chief of Staff.

It is rather unfortunate this forum is free to everybody that has access to Internet and encourages them to post all forms of ridiculous and unfounded conjectures. Nigerian history is open to serious-minded individuals bent on correcting political missteps of the generations from yester years to see.

The political turmoil that engulfed the western region of Nigeria in the 60s was fermented in the northern region by the NPC stakeholders. Few northern soldiers were errand boys to the politicians in NPC determined to sink Koran in the Atlantic Ocean.  .

Also, there is always strict observance of military parlance by the soldiers. Any coup that failed to mainly target the politicians noted for brewing political anarchy within their sphere of influence or outside their region may be reaching for idiotic federal character. In addition, any coup that neglected the need to adhere strictly to dictates of military parlance is bound to fail.

The January 15, 1966 coup was carried out without fear or favor. The politicians behind the script of mayhem that played out in western region of Nigeria were targeted. Any politician listed for any form of embezzlement was visited.

In the military circle, soldiers entrusted with command responsibilities were targeted. It was not a matter of most senior military officer from the northern region of Nigeria or most junior officer from the eastern region of Nigeria. Any soldier that had a strategic command position was an open season to the coup plotters. 

Nigerians that twisted the recorded events of the 60s era as to achieve their selfish political end and make Ndigbo look like villains in the eyes of everyone also set the colonial contraption to the path of perpetual downward spiral.

Nigeria is tribal. Anybody that is not comfortable with the discussion involving ethnic bias in Nigeria is a closet tribal irredentist and deceptive individual. The names that we bear in Nigeria are tribal in nature and even the food we eat.

I could not hold back incurring headache from laughing when I read the statement about sitting nuclear power plants in south-western and northern regions of Nigeria that was accredited to the chieftain of Oodua Peoples Congress (OPC), Dr. Frederick Fasehun.

The OPC leader had enjoyed the federal government of Nigerian skewed and misguided templates or measures used in sitting industries, parastatals, infrastructures and other social amenities in south-western and northern regions for 49 years, he never for one day in his freaking life remembered or agitated that such infrastructures and amenities should also be sited in southeastern region of Nigeria.

Now that the federal government, led by empty-headed drones, is making a noise about building nuclear power plants in southwestern and northern regions, the demented punk had been heard attempting to throw southeastern region into the madness

Afam:
No wahala. I was surprised because part of my post was reproduced in your write up and my views have never opposed any valid complaints and wickedness by anyone, group or nation.

No one can silence those who feel hurt and who are hurt by injustices by fellow Nigerians. I have been a victim of such injustices so would not stop voicing them out especially when others want you to stop with the funny suggestion that we should move forward without even acknowledging the mistakes and errors of some people in the past.

However, my opinion is that we should focus on the issues and let us not allow those who derail threads with insults to continue to do so.

I disagree with all manner of people on all manner of issues outside this forum and we don't bring in insults because there is usually mutual respect and as long as everyone understands that things become easier to handle.

Pal, no harm intended. I hope you had a happy Xmas.

@SEFAGO

I should be all ears if you could tell me what is more fundamental in politics than nationalistic interests. Each time any group of people that is bent in achieving sovereign state brings the issue of Biafra to this forum, posters with deluded mindset such as you would be the source of mud-slinging.

If you pull up all Biafra posts on this board, you will be surprse to find that the dirty hypocrites actually injected vulgar epithet and tribal scent to the discourse.

SEFAGO:
Hhmm , is that supposed to impress me? Anyone can obtain a degree abroad sebi Ghana is now overseas? Anyways that is not the case- this isn't about style it is about clarity and yours comes off as pretentious.

It could be quite irritating to read since it makes you come off as someone who overstates their self-worth. It really looks bad if try and use big words and then use them in the wrong context. Doing so religiously can make someone go nuts.

It appears that you are the very person trying very hard to impress. You have arrogated err of personality to yourself by labeling the junk in you as intelligent and arrogant.

It is very nice of you to admit the fact that you are ignorance of certain English words. Is it not a mute case to talk about wrong usage of words that you do not know they existed?

I had be happier schooling in Ghana than in Nigeria. It is piece of information to get you off the back of FUTO (Federal University Technology, Owerri).

SEFAGO:
Yes, I have never seen that word before, and my word bank, to say the least is huge. Took my time to find out it was really a word, but judging by your history of using language badly, I cannot be blamed for my statement. Moreover, I just dont like using unnecessary and vague language to prove my point especially when the words I use are a bit of a mismatch.

Let us not get silly but have fun in bantering. I must admit that writing is very individualistic. The style you will use to phrase sentences can not be similar to mine. By the way, I did not obtained undergraduate and post graduate degrees in Nigeria.

SEFAGO:
Ok problems worth with fiscal federalism and resource control

1. Corruption- Uptill today the RDS and Chevron Texaco bribes the leader of people from the Niger Delta before they can operate. This is  not speculation. I met this girl whose mother works for the tax department in RDS who was telling me that she met a Niger delta chief or whatever who was boasting about his numerous houses and that his children were in Switzerland, Spain, France- my mouth was just opening in shock Angry. Now imagine if these people are allowed resource control Grin

2. The only major resource available in Nigeria is oil. Other areas have nothing to offer, so how will they grow? The so-called growth of the South-west and the South-east all depends in some part from oil. All the banks in Nigeria are in one way indirectly dependent on oil. Oil drives industry in Nigeria. The South East produces nada, neither does the south west. However the majority of the professionals come from a particular region, moreso than the region which produces oil.  Its really a long winded argument, but the short of it is that in a way Nigeria is a bit more effective as a country than a loose group of states all because of trickle down economics.

Should I be sincere?- I have a feeling the people calling for resource control are people from the south-south and this is not pointing fingers, its it is just common sense

Basically Nigeria is a resource driven economy, and so resource control is really a bit slefish selfish

Pal, any person that has the knack to rewrite or correct essays without the consent or permission of original author usually turns out to be a plagiarizer. Believe me, if I give 20 options to grammatically correct this junk you will still flunk.

SEFAGO:

Are you not the same olodo that wrote a post by disputing contrarian as a word of English Language?

SEFAGO:
Ok problems worth fiscal federalism and resource control

1. Corruption- Uptill today the RDS and Chevron Texaco bribes the leader of people from the Niger Delta before they can operate. This not speculation. I met this girl whose mother works for the tax department in RDS who was telling me that she met a Niger delta chief or whatever who was boasting about his numerous houses and that his children were in Switzerland, spain, france- my mouth was just opening in shock . Now imagine if these people are allowed resource control

2. The only major resource available in Nigeria is oil. Other areas have nothing to offer, so how will they grow? The so-called growth of the South-west and the South-east all depends in some part from oil. All the banks in Nigeria are in one way indirectly dependent on oil. Oil drives industry in Nigeria. The South East produces nada, neither does the south west. However the majority of the professionals come from a particular region, moreso than the region which produces oil Its really a long winded argument, but the short of it is that in a way Nigeria is a bit more effective as a country than a loose group of states all because of trickle down economics.

Should I be sincere?- I have a feeling the people calling for resource control are people from the south-south and this is not pointing fingers, its just common sense

Basically Nigeria is a resource driven economy, and so resource control is really a bit slefish

You are murderous individual. You are bent on killing grammar.

@Afam

I meant whenever the issue of Biafra shows up on this forum, few novices will immediately identify such issue as Igbo. It is evidential fact on this board that many Nigerians had wished that memories of Biafra disappear into the tinny air. Nigerian government had changed the name of a landmark from Bight of Biafra to Bonny. However to these skewed and centrist views, the voice of contrarian (a person who expresses a contradicting viewpoint, esp. one who denounces the majority persuasion) should not be censored.     

Despite the fact I borrowed the numerated words and phrase from your previous post, please do not deduce that my subsequent post was a disguised attack on your person.

The so-called Nigerians are funny people indeed. It must be re-called that the same people who are clamoring for censorship on this forum would be same folks that will throw vitriolic and caustic responses when issue of Biafra is tabled.

Talk of indelible dirty hypocrites on this forum; they paddle the same deceitful characters that had colossally failed Nigeria. Is it not hilarious that one poster wrote about unity among the people of Nigeria when factors that mitigate unity are institutionalized in the country?

The hypocrites will inject the most ridiculous and mortally flawed analogies in order to spite on the socio-politico-cultural sanctity of a particular ethnic group. It is a daily occurrence on this forum that some of these hypocrites and closet fascists will ride a wave of mundane insults by refereeing to the contrarians as being "Intolerance", "Ignorance", and "Inability to admit mistakes".

We must admit that Nigeria had war of attrition and the scars left by the war are still reverberating on the peoples’ consciousness. Unfortunately, the controlling powers did absolutely nothing to alleviate the pains of the war. Rather the federal government of Nigeria and the same hypocritical bunch had encourage programs such as abandon property, boundary adjustment, federal character, quota system and ceding of crude oil producing areas from one ethnic group to another. In solving the issue of Nigerian divided house, no option, including disintegration of the Nigeria, should be left out of the discussion.

Censorship of any magnitude flies in the face of democracy.

SEFAGO:
But it wasn't meant to be complete. I was showing you a sketch of concise and direct language, and not the painting itself. I am quite allergic to fluff sentences. They have the tendency to give me a headache.

Shut up your putrid oral cavity, you lamb dung.

You are funny as hell and a real chip from an old block. What a nuisance? If you really want to show correct examples, I guess you would have started with complete sentences so that I could emulate your acts. I do not think that proffering examples marred by disjointed sentences are the best way to impact knowledge.

Katsumoto:
It is your view that disintegrating Nigeria is the solution while it is my view that changing our mind-sets and challenging our political office holders collectively will lead to a better and prosperous society. I hold this view because the looters in our midst will not disappear with the disintegration of Nigeria and the rise of new republics.

I am not much impressed with the amalgam of your political philosophy. However, I hate to rain on your parade day. I remembered when Igbo extractions were elected into political offices in Lagos, Hausa extraction was elected the first mayor of Enugu, one of the Benin federal constituencies elected Igbo extraction and a section of Port Harcourt municipality was represented by Yoruba extraction voted into office by Ndigbo.

These political relics are things of 60s before Nigeria/Biafra civil war and probably have no place in today’s Nigeria. The fact remains that Nigeria is growing very fast toward disintegration. There is no amount of accelerated display of political naiveté or delusional mindset that will change the course of Nigerian destiny.

SEFAGO:
Why does this guy like writing elongated and inane crap?

Just simply say "I think the hypocrites on NL should spend more of their energy on pressuring the Nigerian Government to tear down institutional programs such as the ethnic quota system"

Simple to understand, concise clear and fresh

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"I think the hypocrites on NL should spend more of their energy on pressuring the Nigerian Government to tear down institutional programs such as the ethnic quota system" = Incomplete sentence

The above left much to be desired

I do not get into the acts of generalization by calling people names. In addition, I obey the law of grammatical lexis and structure.

Katsumoto:
As it is usually the case, you miss the point. I will however, summarise the points of the post:
1. Tribal bashing should stop; it doesn't help and no tribe is innocent. Like the proverb says, " those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
2. We agree that there are problems in Nigeria; we should use these sections to discuss issues intelligently, and profer solutions. Chinese proverb - "a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step". Rational discourse may lead to real solutions and perhaps a change of mind-set.
3. Repeating of past errors will only lead self-destruction.

You have made it clear that you want the disintegration of Nigeria. For those of us that want a better life for ourselves and our families with or without Nigeria, let us continue to find a way forward. I refuse to be held back by mistakes of a generation that were not too enlightened. I will continue to be positive because Nigeria is my country and I want a great place for my children to live in and be a part of. I do not want to be in a nation with just Yoruba people, I want to be in a nation with Igbo, Ijaw, hausa, Tiv, etc.

There is Igbo proverb that says “human can not break the neck without the head”.

It is very funny on your part to write about mistakes of our past generation. Ironically, the so-called mistakes are still with us today and handsomely sponsored by the federal government of Nigeria. Nigeria rides on the wheel of sectionalism.

I think it will amount to acts of futility to request the products of such institutionalized sectionalism to behavior or act differently. The source of the alleged Internet discomfort could be eliminated by disintegration of Nigeria.

It is always a wiser medical approach to cure the disease than to treat the symptoms of the disease.

I should definitely found myself in a world of ecstasy if these Internet cowards fanning for censorship of contributors based on ethnic bias should petition the federal government of Nigeria to tear down the walls of federal character crap, quota system and state of origin.

The forum contributors that are clamoring for the ban or censor of individuals on the base of ethnic baiting are members of the bandwagon of the Nigerian elites that ran colonial contraption known as Nigeria into the mud.

Nigeria has governmentally institutionalized tribalism through federal character, quota system and state of origin. If mere bantering on this board is compelling some trolls to bend out of human form, I suggest that the concerned folks avoid such posts. 

Forums are bastion of democracy that in turn spawns freedom of speech and expression. Any attempt to encourage censorship on this board will lead to the closure of this forum.

SEFAGO:
Most importantly how did he get visa?

This dude is a localized id.iot and absolute local champion who does not know that issuance of traveling visas could be multiple or single entry. In the next page, the lowlife and drooling dullard would want to tell us that his/her dirty backside belongs to intelligent class. You have confirmed my early suspicion that a Arrow such as you is alien to grammatical lexis and structure.

Thanks goodness to Internet for providing parade lots for domesticated apes such as SEFAGO trying to assume human form.

Again, there are watch-list and no-fly-list. The deterrents associated with the two lists are weighted differently.