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Thanks @Supo.

Problem with that is the document is in an office, so can't lay hands on it until around 8am tomorrow.


Looks like I need a miracle to get this done!

Any other suggestion as to how I can get this document to Lagos by 2pm tomorrow will be appreciated.


Courier is obviously out of the question now.

Haba! Just an important document with a few pages. Not sealed in any envelope.

But I understand your logic, given where we are in Nigeria today.

Hello people,

Please I need urgent assistance with getting an important document to Lagos from Abuja by[b] 2pm [/b]tomorrow.

Are you flying to Lagos from Abuja tomorrow morning, and can you help?

The need to get the document down to Lagos arose this evening, too late to have the document sent by Courier.

I will arrange for the document to be handed over to you at the airport or any place of your choice in Abuja tomorrow morning. Document will be collected from you at the airport in Lagos.

Please help a fellow in need!

superstar1: When we are telling them, to stop developing other people's land for them, they will be shouting one nigeria.

Now, northerners are using their properties to blackmail them into eternal submission. SW is watching closely, it's high time, we legislate the same law in our region.

Erm...I suspect the SW will not be rushing to introduce laws that isolate people from a certain part of the country for the special requirement of ID card/registration. It is discriminatory and will set the ball rolling for tit-for-tat response from other states.

Besides, there is no evidence that an ID card system is the answer to the issue of terrorism.

Pakistan, Syria, Iraq all operate a national identity card system, but we know the rest of the story.

If people believe ID card system will help, then it should be a national thing.

Four young Palestinian boys belonging to the same family were playing away on the beach of Gaza when they were killed by an Isreali shelling.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2695793/Tragic-moments-four-Palestinian-boys-family-playing-Gaza-beach-Israeli-shell-wiped-out.html#i-6243720b25cba199


How could Israel target these innocent kids?

Shameful.

patmaine: apc is worse than pdp.
check the debt profile of apc states.
tax is another issue

On one hand we say states should reduce over-dependence on niger delta oil. But we also don't want them to tax! How is that going to work.

On debt profile, what's important is whether the debt is sustainable and is it used for tangible projects.

We know PDP states are favoured by Gej in terms of Federal projects - GEJ said this himself on a number of occasions. This means APC states probably have to borrow more to fill the void created by lack of Federal presence.

If Mr Suswan was an opposition Governor, we would by now have 100s of calls for his removal for not being 'in touch with the grassroots.'

And PDP will have used stolen money to entice some of his legislators to impeach him for 'non-performance.'

What a country.

PDP using our stolen money to induce opposition legislators to cause chaos in their party, even in a State like Ogun where the Governor appears to be doing very well, and some people are rejoicing. Adamawa, Edo, now, Ogun.

You people want a one-party political system where PDP is the only party in the country?

I notice also, it's people from the East that are quick to pop the champagne and open these threads in celebration.

So what happens when a Hausa PDP President comes into power and start abusing that power the way the present government does?

This gangster politics does not benefit the common people.

It is important and beneficial to us all to have a strong opposition party.

I haven't recovered from the Ekiti election results yet!

I no longer believe the concept of Omoluabi resonates with hungry electorate.

PDP will probably win the next governorship elections in Ondo State. Mimiko/Labour party is finished.

APC needs a lot of money and a popular local candidate to win in the state. Akeredolu can context 10 times, he will not win, as he's simply not a politician. He's in the Fayemi mould.

[quote author=ochejoseph]The president will win square and this is how
1, Lagos ( depending on Apc candidate GEJ will take a minimum of 60 %of the vote its a heterogeneous state

2.Cross river , 3 Akwa ibom 4,Bayelsa 5, Abia 6 Enugu 7 Ebonyi 8 Delta. GEJ will pick a minimum of 95% of votes from this states

9 Imo, 10 Rivers ,11 Edo 12 Ekiti, 13 Ondo he will easily pick up 70% of the votes from these area ( Reasons. Rivers state people are not on drugs like their gov , hence they will vote wisely ,Imo people cannot cowed by okorochas tears , Edo people know what they want check 2011 results, Ondo and Ekiti will always side with GEJ .

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This your assessment. Take Ekiti - If Fayemi loses the guber elections this year - and I think Fayemi stands a good chance of becoming the first APC Governor to be defeated - then GEJ will take Ekiti come 2015 - these elections are mostly rigged, so it's important to have a Governor on your side who will deliver fake results! If Fayemi survives, GEJ will be lucky to be credited with up to 25% of the votes come 2015.

The only reason GEJ may win Ondo is again down to rigging. I have not met a single person in the past 6 months who has had a good thing to say about Jonathan. And the Labour party 'chieftains' and foot soldiers that I know personally swear they will not listen to Mimiko come 2015. Unfortunately for GEJ, it's as much about Mimiko as it is GEJ. Mimiko's perceived popularity has waned significantly and I doubt he can win any state-wide election in Ondo State again, but as always he should be able to orchestrate the required rigging for Jonathan.

As for Lagos, I do not believe GEJ can win 60% of the votes in an election that the APC is desperate to win. Just as some Eastern states were declaring phantom 98% votes for him in the last election, if APC are determined to win Lagos, GEJ will probably be 'given' around 23% of the votes. He will simply be rigged out. Expect similar treatment in Kano, Kwara, and some other places. If Eastern states got away with declaring ridiculous figures, I suspect other states may follow the same path next time around.

Over 200 hundred people viewing this 'thread,' or better still, viewing this 'package.'

if her dress was torn as someone suggested, where's the bra. her protagonist tore her top & then bra?

also, I would expect the security guy to offer her his green jacket to cover up, assuming she wanted that. grabbing a woman like that seems very ungentlemanly indeed, but then again if it's to move her away from from trouble, that's understandable. The average Naija woman is tough as nail, so a bit of force is probably required to keep her under control.

Only problem with this is the 'government' element.

The project faces an uphill task to be gotten off the ground and be completed.

It then faces a humongous challenge to be operational and compete without subsidy.

And profits? How is it going to make profit to finance future growth? Failed steel rolling mills? PHCN? Refineries?


Any Government has no business in business. But Nigerian government should be perpetually banned from engaging in this type of mega business.

They should work with private investors.

So funny lol!


Let me add my own.

Inu mi dun, fun awon ara Ogun...
Inu mi dun fun awon Omo Oduduwa...
Congratulations ore mo wo re wa!


Good news all round.

Desola: wow! I never read the post o, but reading the title alone made me burst into this mini song...

Inu mi dun, pe mo rojo oni...
Inu mi dun, pe baba ka mi ye...
Oseun Jesu baba mo wa sope....

Oluwa oyigiyigi oba airi, oba to n je emi ni, emi ni. Atofarati erujeje eti okun pupa, mo yin o logo!

For this marvelous day! Thank you for making me a witness to such a development in Ogun state o. Awolowo, may you continue to rest in peace. I know that if you were alive today, you will be so proud of this achievement.

Amosun baba oni fila gogoro, well done! Owo e a ma roke. Iwaju iwaju lopa ebiti n re si, iwaju lowo e ma ma lo. Oko oba, ada oba o ni sa e lese.

Amin o Jesu.

Thank you Lord Jesus!

I have amended the headline in recognition of the great upset caused to people by the original version. The intention of the original was to draw immediate attention to the thread, and attract serious debaters to the need to spread development elsewhere in the region. It is for other to decide whether that was the best approach.

And while the initial contributions were directionless, partly I guess as a result of people reacting out of anger, in the end, we got one or two meaningful contributions, particularly from Mr Dudu.

I see some of the points from the other side of the argument, but I remain persuaded by the force of my arguments that for us to rebuild our society, we need to retrace those treasured Awo principles of social and economic justice, equal access to opportunity for every child of Odua irrespective of their place of residence in the SW, we must focus renewed attention on ways to elevate the most deprived parts of our society from economic deprivation. If the opportunity for the region to have a new capital arises, we should consider other towns where the citing of a capital will be a major game-changer.

Putting the capital in Ibadan will not change Ibadan. Ibadan is already on the road to greatness.

Long day! Am out.

Thanks. I think I mentioned countless times that Oshogbo or any other suitable town/city in any of the 3 poorer states gets my backing.

Katsumoto: Yes unity matters to me a lot to me and it is even for that reason that I am opposed to an Oduduwa country. My preference is a return to regionalism.

Even if it were to be that Odua was formed, what leverage does Akure have to be Capital? Why not Osogbo as capital? Or Abeokuta? It is too early in the day to be counting your eggs when the hen is yet to be f0rked. I don't even have an issue with Akure being the Capital but I am against folks who are ready to spoil it for others if they don't have there way.

Lastly, paternally, I am not from any state in the SW but nevertheless, I have love for all Yoruba.

Oga o.

I am actually not that interested in Nigerian Politics. My second post on this thread is about Mimiko being a failure. I also said how much I appreciated Mr Tinubu rescuing us from PDP, and that I have some sympathy for ACN/APC.

Now I am PDP lol! Never voted in Nigeria. Never attended any Political meeting. Never carried anyone's card. I even avoid my friends who are in politics, which ever party they are from.

But if I have an opinion that's different from yours, it means I am in PDP. PDP I take massive offence Mr Dudu

[quote author=Dudu_Negro]......Yoruba political problem always start in Ondo. PDP is recruiting the next set of trouble rousers. Agbekoya is not dead, neither is Afenifere. Mimiko and all the LP stalwarts in that state are not indispensable. DelaRue is an opinion poller and this is how they test the temperaments to navigate an unsafe waters.[/quote]

Please dont let us be too judgemental. I remember asking someone close to me, but he was not sure what 'Spinach' meant!

Rather than calling people in my village!, I just thought the food section on Nairaland would be easier.

I am actually, majority of ordinary folks have not heard that word 'spinach.' That's not meant to be an insult.


Whoo, you mean if I wasn't Yoruba, I would be so passionate about spending so much time on this thread.

I think for the most part I have been quite constructive in my debate. I have hopefully not abused anybody. This is about us! Let's help one another by strengthening all our states. We would all be richer for it culturally and economically.

That's all.








[quote author=tpia@]just seeing this.

if you have to look for the yoruba name for spinach on nl instead of asking your allegedly yoruba relatives (or they dont speak yoruba either?), thats weird, dont you think?

spinach is pretty basic everywhere, not like its some type of exotic food.[/quote]

My brother, Oyo has history on its side. We agree.

That should not be the sole basis for making Ibadan (not synonymous with Oyo) the capital forever. I visited Ibadan for the first time earlier this year and was enthused to see that it was not the crappy place we were led to believe it was by certain Nairalanders.

I have nothing against Ibadan. I want it to prosper.

But please, I am only looking at this from one angle and one angle only - how can we escalate developments in states like Ondo, Ekiti, and Osun? It is proving so difficult. All we get are governors who can only fix a few roads, and God-willing build some schools and hospitals. We hear these 3 states simply do not have enough money.

Set against that, we hear on a daily basis that Lagos, Oyo, and Ogun are firing on all cylinders on the economic front. Again, fantastic. I spend a lot of time in Lagos, and I see statistics that most people dont get to see. I am actually passionate about Lagos as the fulcrum of SW economic renewal.

From my view, we need to try something new with these 3 states where ever possible. And all I am saying is if a new administrative paradigm emerges in Nigera and the SW needs to have an administrative capital, why dont we consider a town/city in one of the struggling states. Yes, this will be a big compromise on the part of Ibadan and Oyo people. But my God! what a wonderful compromise it would be for a big brother to say you know what, I will let go a little bit for the sake of my younger ones. We do this on daily basis in our personal lives.

Would it not be wonderful for this to be replicated on a broader Omoluwabi stage. Why the obstinate no! no! no!

Again I reiterate for the umpteenth time, Akure was just the town that came to mind initially and yes my justifications focused on Ondo state. I am just not that familiar with the other poor states - Ekiti and Osun.

I will make the same argument for any other town in any of the 3 states.





[quote author=Dudu_Negro]First and foremost, there has been discussions for years on how to transform Yoruba politics in the eventual return to regional power. The concensus in West is to go Parliamentarian. What does this mean?

It means a co-share of decision making between democratically elected politicians who hold a strong worldview and traditional land barons who hold a conservative position on customs and tradition. This will give us a diverse and balanced political stability. This system is consistent with Yoruba historical rulership.

I could be wrong but my suspicion is that under such configuration, we will do away with states and instead have Ijeshaland, Ijebuland, Igbomina, Egbaland, Eko, Ilorin, and so on as the replacement for states. Each of these lands will be sub-composed into constituencies such as Ikeja, Agege, Badagry, Isheri, Ota, Sagamu, Abeokuta, Idanre, Okitipupa, Akure, Owo, Ede, Saki, Offa, and so on....

Each commonwealth land will be a designate for a particular and specific socio-cultural value. This value ought to be assigned on the basis of comparative advantage.

So what comparative advantage does Akure have and is best at than any otjer Yorubaland? Whatever it is, that is what you should be crusading for........not the seat of Yoruba politicalpower. Oyo has the best advantage for Yoruba political power and history and customs supports this. We should be moving forward from our point of detachment from Nigeria, not regressing. Changing seat of political power is a regress, not to say it is impossible and impractical.[/quote]

Actually Tpia, I still don't know the Yoruba name for spinach as I forgot about that thread and didn't go back to it.

I lived in the Uk for a while, and while that's no excuse, and I suspect, even before I went to the Uk, I doubt I knew what it was called.

We just didn't eat too many of these things in my household, but having been a bit of a healthy-eating freak in the Uk, I wanted to see if I could get it to buy here. That was why I posed that question.

I had tons of comments on other threads, some even joining the usual e wars against our friends across the Niger - you can check if you are interested.

Why ti mo ma fi paro?

I like debates, even if it ruffles feathers.

Thanks for the clarification. My apologies, I thought you alleged that I was a spoiler of Yoruba interest, of which I am not.

I agree with you on the collective effort to develop the land. But as part of the latter debate, do you think Akure, Oshogbo, Okitipupa being a capital will undermine the collective effort.

My point is Ibadan is already doing well economically and all the indicators suggest that it will continue to wax strong. So why cant we use the 'capital' thing to help other parts?

Midastouch1: Au Contraire - Obfuscation is something I never indulge in Brother.

With all humility, I would say you are the one who is confused about the exact point you are trying to pass across.

The choice of a capital city is not necessarily important if there is a collective will to develop Yorubaland.

I never accused you of dividing Yorubaland- neither yourself or anyone can achieve that. My last paragraph was aimed at the "usual suspects" who have an antenna located in their bedroom to notify them of any thread that has a Yoruba name- surely you are not one of them?!

Not that you deserve a response, 'cause you have repeatedly been abusive, but actually, yes, I will support Okitipupa or any other town for that matter. Even Oshogbo or Ado Ekiti.

I have said time and again that what we need is for the other 'struggling' states to get a leg-up in economic development. This is not about Akure. I am not from Akure, and have no interest in the place. It was just the place that came to mind.

We need to spread development.

Ayekotoo: for spewing this trash, you must be a greedy and self centred person. why can't any ilaje's community be the capital city since it produces and exploits oil and has large gas reserve? why did you choose Akure?

Schism ke? Talking about a matter of interest is Schism. You want us all to keep quiet so you can trumpet some kind of unity? We are not fighting. This thread is about discussing a matter of interest. Are we not allowed to raise issues in public anymore?


You are just being too clever for yourself. The capital could be anywhere. We know that already. But you said in the other thread that the administrative capital should be Ibadan. I take the opposite view. I say it should be in Akure. If you feel there is no debate to be had here, that's ok. One does not have to be involved in every thread.

In the thread about Kwara, you went on and on about this and that. Then, it did not occur to you that Kwara could be anywhere it chooses to be.


In these times of potential political change, people are discussing all sort of things, some immediately material, some not (including the Kwara topic and this one), but we are free to discuss. You are afraid of Igbos teasing us about being disunited?

Why shoud that bother you?

Katsumoto: Those are not relevant questions. The capital can be anywhere.

Don't create unnecessary schisms where there are none.

What really is the point of this thread?

There is a lot of debate going on about restructuring Nigeria with the possibility (though a faint one) that regions or geo - political zones as they call them now, might operate more as administrative units. As part of that debate, there was a thread about the state of Kwara in a potential new region/administrative unit of the SW.

In that thread, a few people were assigning roles to a number of cities, with the clear inference that Ibadan would remain the administrative capital in such new entity/region.

This thread is canvassing the case for Akure as the capital of any new SW entity. I am strongly in favour of a SW that looks outside the traditional commercial/industrial strongholds of Oyo, Lagos, and Ogun to the less developed states of Ondo, Ekiti, and possibly Oshun for the chance to elevate the mass of our peoples from near - permanent economic deprivation.

I think making a place like Akure the capital city in any new SW structure could be a catalyst for such change.

What's your take?




[quote author=Dudu_Negro]You keep saying Akure as a capital city. As a capital city for what[/quote]

Read my ripostes and see what this is about. I look forward to your contribution.

No fear. Nobody is dividing the Yoruba body corporate. Nobody will take away your cherished Ondo Lol! But, there must be room for talking and that conversation about how things might shape out must take place.

Katsumoto: Who wants to take Ondo from the SW? Who is the dreamer?

You are obfuscating issues. Must the capital of a new SW region be in a city such as Ibadan that is already well developed and poised to enjoy even more economic development in the future - capital or no capital?

Why cant a town like Akure be the capital of the new SW?

These are the take aways from the thread. No need for accusations of dividing the Yoruba body corporate.

Midastouch1: My friend, most of what you have written is nonsense! I am from Ondo and I am yet to see any Ondo or Ekiti man/woman ever question or doubt their Yorubaness or their association with the rest of the great Yoruba race.

Your argument about equality, while being a fair point given historical events is misguided in the current scheme of affairs. You say you wanted an intellectual discussion but the title of your thread does not indicate that, neither did the contents of your OP.

South West Politics, generally has metamorphosed from the parochial politics that existed in the early-mid 20th century , our experience in the Nigerian nation has fostered unity in Yorubaland. As an Ondo man, you should know that even within the state, there is mutual suspicion between people from Ondo Town, Ile-Oluji and Idanre - such is the nature of politics but at the end of the day, we sit down together and eat Iyan together.

We have fought our corner collectively and have arguably fared better than most ethnic groups in Nigeria in terms of political unity. I am not trying to imply that we are perfect - far from it, but it is that unity of purpose that has differentiated us from the rest of Nigeria. Individualism is a philosophy unacceptable in Yorubaland.

The handwriting is on the wall, every region in Nigeria will soon start to bear their papa name either by a transparent and efficient fiscal federalism structure or most likely and more appropriate regional political structure. As a Yoruba man, I dont care if the capital is Osogbo, Abeokuta, Ogbomoso or Ifon, we have the political maturity to govern ourselves and formulate/implement policies that will benefit our citizens and law abiding immigrants. A Yoruba region or Nation will foster constructive competition and engender overall development. We dont engage in hocus pocus politics- we will discuss and thrash it out so that no set of people will arrogate political and economic power to themselves.

Lastly, to the usual suspects who come here to rejoice at divisions in Yorubaland, I will advise you to wake up and smell the coffee. Yorubaland is strong and a force that no one can wish away- not even in your dreams. A lot of you have consistently complained that you have been marginalised - can any of you give provide any statistics as to the difference between the Federal Govt allocations that has been given to your states and the rest of Nigeria since the inception of the Nigerian state and let us conduct an empirical distribution analysis. Could it be case that while your leaders have been resolutely misappropriating these funds at the expense of your development- Federal allocations to the SW has been relatively better spent to make the region a magnet for inward migration?

Desola, I said in a previous text that the suggestion about Ondo going it alone was just to draw attention to the thread. It wasn't a serious suggestion. The thread is about people in Lagos, Oyo, and Ogun realising that there are other cities outside of their states that can host the capital of a new SW region.

We in Akure want the honour to host that capital, if we ever come to a new Nigeria where regions have more independence. That's all. And I think locking ourselves down to Ibadan, Ibadan, Ibadan and no where else, will be a missed opportunity to, in one swell swoop, elevate our people in less developed states like Ondo and Ekiti.

And btw people don't have to be in the same country in order to trade. But that's by the way side.

Des ola: So if Ondo should go it alone? What would it trade in And who with?

It's actually good to talk. Sweeping everything under the carpet on the pretest that everything is great is not the right way to go.

Let's talk. May be eventually, you will see some merit in my point, may be I will see in yours too.

Just to confirm again, this is not about dividing anybody. It's about whether Akure can be the capital of a new SW region. Nothing more than that.

Ibadan is a great city, as is Lagos and many SW cities. The issue is is about Akure as a capital city. If you can add to the debate, that's great.

Ayekotoo: you need to stop this kind of thread, you trying so hard to divide the yorubaland. no matter what u suggest, your opinions won't count in the scheme. in the new proposed yorubaland, there won't be state of origin cos we speak one language, there are many Ondo indigenes in Oyo and Lagos. we will only recognise city of residence. lobatan!

So, because you live in London, you throw around put downs about reading more about why London was made the capital of the UK.

Wetin man no go read for Nairaland o!

Some of us have been to London too o and attended one of the world's top 5 Universities in the UK, and worked in one of the world's leading consulting firms in the UK for many years. I am sorry I had to mention that, but needless to say that I am not impressed by your put down.

Let us not make this personal.

Let's look at my point again. Are you not fascinated by the prospect of a Southwest region where we spread development to areas that are currently lagging. Somewhere in the thread, someone mentioned agriculture and tourism in respect of Ondo and Ekiti states. I laugh. I live here. Where is this tourism money going to suddenly come from, and will be enough to develop these states?

Do you not agree that making a place like Akure the capital will be a major catalyst for economic renewal and rejuvenation in a way that the much vaunted, illusory, and unrealistic tourist money will never achieve?

Why does Ibadan that is already doing well need to be a capital.

Even Oshogbo will make a more credible capital.

shymexx: You need to calm down. You don't even know why London was made the capital of the UK. You need to read more on that.

Regardless of what you think, Ondo will always be a fault-line and a buffer-zone. Let me be honest with you, even if you get your own country - most of the oil wells you're claiming would fall into the territorial waters of the Ijebu's. The Ijebu's can go as far as claiming their Ijebu-Itsekiri communities - and core Ondo would be left with nothing - except the few oil wells that would be given to the Ilaje's. Go read the map.

Stop getting emotional and argue logically.

Lol, you dodge my question - as expected. You said Akure was far from centre. I gave you two international examples amongst many I could name. You fail to address that. Now you come with the mumbo jumbo about proximity to water.

Whoever talked about proximity to water?

[quote author=tpia@]If proximity to water is what determines your choice of capital, then you're still off.

You should head south then.[/quote]