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ikeyman00:
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u are on your own!!! foolish man!!

intelligence is clearly not one of your strong points.

cold:
STFU!This impostor trying to come across as a sensible Nigerian.After reading thru this drivel you've just written,i sincerely hope for your sake you're sterile.It wld be disastrous to humanity to have more of your ilk proliferating the earth.

Here we go, the empty-headed monosyllabic illiterates are out in force this evening.

eldee:
Next step should be to put a N1000 tax on the sale of Gollywood movies in Nigeria.
By the time we do that, we'll see if the industry won't die.

tkb417:
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Thats a pointer to what they can do if they ever grow bigger than us

i say sabotage them and dont let them grow

with its large population, most reasonable observers would expect Nigeria to have its fair share of idiots, but you two certainly plunge the depth. You exemplify the charater traits most commonly (rightly or wrongly) associated with the average Nigerian - aggressive, uncultured, loud mouth dumbos.

I'm glad the leaders of the Nigerian film industry are sitting down with their Ghanaian counterparts to discuss an amicable grown-up solution, rather than the overly aggressive option that you canvass.


We Nigerians need to realise that we are not as important as we think we are, and using the 'nuclear' option against fellow Africans for the slightest skirmish will only reinforce certain stereotypes.

Yes, we may have gazillion population as some of you often brag, h/ever we should know that Ghana is a country we can & should learn from.


- Its people enjoy a higher standard of living & are on average better educated than we are;
- The country & its democracy is better managed;
- It enjoys widespread respect in international circles - unlike Nigeria; and  
- The people are probably more civilised & cultured than we are.

No, they are not jealous/scared of us & no we are no more positively talented than most countries of similar size.

Our reputation goes b4 us am afraid. In professional circles in Europe, I find it embarrassing telling anyone I'm Nigerian. It's that bad.

Great article. Am not from Akure myself, but I do pass by on my way to my hometown whenever I'm in Nigeria.

Only last week, I stayed in Akure for 3 days, & was fascinated by the simplicity, & laid-back style of the town.

Until this latest visit, I'd always wondered why, with the exception of one or two signs of development, Akure, a 2nd generation (1976?) State capital appeared to lag behind some other State capitals development-wise.

With my recent experience of Lagos & Benin, the simplicity, modesty & easy way of life of Akure & its people has put the town atop the list of my favourite relocation destinations in Nigeria.

Agreed, Akure isnt for everyone, but I may just have fallen in love with it.

With Banbangida & d military's record in govt so much in the news these days, I was taken aback recently by the haunting significance of these two words in the history of Nigeria.

To those familiar with the 80s, the words - 'Fellow Nigerians' were often the first words that came accross the airwaves following a military coup. TV images of scary-looking (I was very young then) military commanders announcing a coup & the immediate imposition of a curfew have come back to me recently.

Pls lets hear your memories of words or phrases that heralded a period of significant change in Nigeria.

Perhaps you were around when Biafra broke out - which words by Ojukwu or the Nigerian leader at the time has stuck in your mind. 

Maybe game-changing or defining words from anti 3rd term or June 12 protagonists. Any SIGNIFICANT historical/polical event pls.

At Topic

I will take the figures quoted by the IMF with a pinch of salt. Mainly on the basis that statistics can be manipulated for obvious reasons. If the Nigerian economy grew by 7.4% this year, did it have a concomitant positive effect on the lives of its citizens? I doubt it. Did Nigeria grow faster than China, India, Vietnam, Brazil or South Korea? I also doubt that. The only way Nigeria could have had such a growth figure without an improvement in the lives of its citizens is if it has a services dominated economy. We know that to be false as the Nigerian economy is still heavily product/manufacturing dominated. One can argue that the telecomms sector (service) grew but it is inconceivable for the telecomms sector alone to be responsible for a growth rate of 7.4%
[quote][/quote]Bold is incorrect - sadly, the manufacturing component of our GDP has been falling gradually over d years & I believe it is now somewhere around the 25% mark - thanks mainly to the multinational companies who r still increasing investment in this area. Agriculture makes up about 55%, with services taking the rest.

Think this, most previously healthy industries have been decimated to a shadow of their former selves, or in some cases completely wiped out.

Examples:


Textile - decimated. Cant cope with escalating cost of production & piracy. Chinese are now pirating our Ankarra & with d help of crooked Customs agents are now re-importing their cheaper,poor quality versions to our market!

Tyre manufacturing - we are one of the largest Rubber producers in d world & until a few years ago, Michelin & Dunlop had major manufacturing bases in Nigeria. These were world class manufacturing plants. They were frustrated out of Nigeria. Now we export raw rubber cheaply, & re-import expensive tyres from Europe & Asia - clever huh?.

Small & medium scale manufacturing - dilapidated infrastucture, cheap (often poor quality) & illegal Chinese imports have devasted the market share of local manufacturers, rendered them uncompetitive, & many of these companies are closing down.

On a wider note, if you put 2 economists in a room & ask them d cost of producing a sachet of pure water, you will get 2 different views. Believing wholeheartedly figures reeled out by economists is misguided, particularly where the compiling institution (eg CBN) has credibility issues.

Personally, I will take a sharp knife to the 7% & reduce it by half, & hope to God that the remaining 3.5% growth was indeed achieved. This approach is crude, but being extremely cautious & suspicious in Nigeria never does any harm!

Yes, but should also have ur individual accounts

Why marry someone you cant be open with. Sharing must be one of d great joys of that union.

You've to trust your wife/hussie with everything (well the important things - as per Queeneve), until s/he gives u a reason not to.

Ibime,

Thanks for letting me know about the Ibos who later lined up behind Abacha. Isnt it also true that some prominent Yorubas did d same? So really, I dont think this should count against the Ibos. They supported MKO willingly, we need to pay them back for that. But like I said, they must first present a very credible candidate.

OnlyTruth,

No too vex o. I understand you are frustrated by the Nigerian project. Most of us are. But whilst we still have Nigeria, d Ibos must continue to make all the right (preferably no threats pls!) noises, be patient, and build alliances. Hard as it is to believe, it is actually possible for the Ibos to win the Yorubas over. I know, so much water has passed under d bridge, what with d legacy of 1967/70 etc. B ut, it is possible.


The Nigerian game cannot be played in isolation. You must form alliances, however frustrating it is that you (Ibos) probably have to do most of the flirting/convincing. Just look to your South & your West, there are brides in waiting (for wont of a better phrase).


I am totaly against zoning, but I would like the Ibos to have a taste of the Presidency & then we can scrap the thing. An Ibo President will not necessarilly mean a better deal for the average Ibo man or woman, but I understand the psychological boost it will give to a people who feel they have contributed so much but have continued to be sidelined.

There's no need for the Federal gov't to launch an investigation. Politically/Constitutionally, it is for the State to lauch a quick & credible investigation & comply with the findings. If the State is found to be at fault, then a full and perhaps personal apology from the Governor should do. Alternatively, the aggrieved can seek judicial redress for a breach of their right to Freedom of Association.

On d whole, I still believe that GEJ, like most of the leaders we've had in recent times lacks political sophistication. He needs to raise his game.

The incident in question happened about 2 wks ago (if I'm right), and really, this is not a matter that should require a deep intervention by the Federal gov't. This is a matter for the State in question & possibly the judiciary. GEJ could have, with a few cleverly chosen words in the days after the incident, douse the flame of this controversy & credibly distance himself from it. But, again & again, he appears clumsy, slow in some cases, and at other times, acts in haste.

Think of -

- the FIFA ban saga -his rush to pull Nigeria out of competitions & his about-turn retreat
- the premature toe-curling 'MEND was not respionsible' statement

Mr President, you always appear thoughful, but we also want you to be strong, and decisive.

Quote from Jason 12345

THE NORTH CANNOT PRODUCE A PRESIDENT BEFORE THE IGBOS!!!
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Man, you are very BOLD! to believe that.

Ibime,

I wasnt in Nigeria during Jun 12, but I understood that Ibos voted for MKO, in which case, that should have bought them some long tertm political credit with their aversaries in the West.

I dont see how June 12 impacts or will impact negatively on the Ibo cause!

excanny,

I agree they dont want to contest against him.

In that case, I think they should not raise hopes about 2015 'cause:


- If GEJ wins 2011, I dont see him quiting in 2015
- Assuming he does,  d North will claim 2011 abrogated zoning, and will not step aside for the Ibos

As Ibime, also said, if they line up with IBB, they are in trouble, as they would put their historical relationship with S South in long term jeopardy.

Very tight corner for the Ibos.

Excanny,

I hope you're right. I dont profess expertise in these things, I mostly go by what I read in d papers - and I trry to read papers with Western, Erstern, & Northern bias to get some kind of broad perspective.


If the folks in d East are doing as you suggest, then great.

The Ibos have made great strides in this country & I would personally vote for a CREDIBLE candidate irrespective of their background - assuming I had d opportunity to vote & my vote would count!

Abagworo,

you call it conspiracy, I call it a silent, but grievious mistrust - in d end, we are prob referring to the same thing.

I've only recently become a close observer of events in Nigeria, but I get the strong feeling dat some non-Ibos (possibly a sizable number), are quietly nervous of an Ibo presidency, which is crazy, as I believe it is ultimately inevitable.

However, I get d feeling dat if d Ibos make enough noise of their own now & not line up behing GEJ, people will actually find it difficult to deny them some support for the presidency. But, for some reason, d political leaders in d East dont seem to get it dat if the Ibos miss d opportunity in 2011, it will be a long time yet before they have a sniff of d Aso Rock's 'throne.'

Am afraid, d answer is NO.

It's not for Jonathan or indeed any one person to decide whether to hand over to d Ibos.

Also, isn't d majority of opinions in the South, against zoning? If that's d case and Jonathan wins in 2011, it'll be difficult for the Ibos to argue come 2015, or indeed 2019, that it's their 'turn.' My view is that d North will no longer buy zoning post 2011, should GEJ emerge as the President. And without zoning, well, well, well, it will be difficult  for an Ibo candidate (moreso than a Yoruba or Hausa) to win a free Presidential election in Nigeria, unless a nationally acknowledged & exceptional Ibo talent springs up from no where & captures d imagination of d people - ala Obama. Controversial statement I know, but the truth is, a sizable proportion of the Nigerian populace appear to still harbour some kind of misguided mistrust of d Ibos.

Either way, the options for the Ibos are narrowing ahead of 2011, & they need to play clever & take bold decisions. They appear to be lining up behind a 'South South cousin' for no apparent political reason/gain, but at d same time they must surely be gnashing their teeth in private & cursing their luck - if Yardua had not died, it would have been very difficult for the PDP to deny the Ibos d slot in 2015.

With their current indecisiveness, I think they are snookered politically and I can't see an easy option for them. Hever, with a respected figure like Dr Ekwueme, they should be able to come up with a 2011 political position that serves their people's best interest. Dr Azikiwe or Pa Awo would've pulled something out of the hat in a situation such as this.

@MaziUche

[/quote]We Igbos will continue to remain separatist. Just get over it people!

Put it up for a vote and see if the Igbo want to remain in this union.

75% of all Igbos would opt of this union. Put it up for a vote like what is happening in Sudan. We do not see eye to eye with the Hausa or the Yoruba so why are we in this FOOLISH nation?[quote]

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Truth be told, in real life, I've never witnessed any negative discussion concerning Igbos as a people at all! There's absolutely no hatred/jealousy from my Yoruba friends towards any particular tribe in Nigeria. .

Political discussions in my circle tend to be about Nigeria as a country, rather than any particular tribe. Mayb I move in d wrong circle. I've been shocked by what I've seen on this site.

And I would be surprised if any of my friends would object to the Igbos or Hausas wanting a referendum about remaining as part of Nigeria. Like every marriage that comes to an end, your departure would be regretable & sad, but I agree with u entirely, that if the majority of Igbos want it, then it should happen.

I'm not, but we were formerly in the same state, so you still a sis

Ileke in a Lesbo adventure with her across America?

ma Ekiti sister isnt dat inclined, defo not with tpia nyway

tpia,

As apparently ur record here is woeful, & known to the moderators, I 'd rather not waste my time reporting u again.

Will avoid u @ all cost as ur IQ is quite low.

Tpia,

wish I knew how to report ur a$$!

you claimed to police this thread, & now u've turned around to be an abuser urself.

Ileke is a fun & balanced contributor on this forum & you've been prodding her unnecessarily to a 'fight.' what for?