Health › Re: Ladies,how Do You Dispose Your Used Sanitary Pad. by Demdem(m): 11:46am On Dec 21, 2012 |
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Politics › Re: Reps Pass 2013 Budget by Demdem(m): 6:47pm On Dec 20, 2012 |
Ok, reps through. It remains the senate. Both houses will have to reconcile their figures before sending it down for the retardeen Sig. |
Car Talk › Re: A Thread On Obtaining The New F.R.S.C Drivers Licence. by Demdem(m): 1:53pm On Dec 20, 2012 |
MeAgain: I did mine in Abuja recently. These are the procedures I followed for renewal.
1. go to https://www.nigeriadriverslicence.org/index.php 2. click on the DL renewal link, fill the form and follow any other instruction there. 3. Print the form and take to the capture centre you must have filled in the form. You also need to take along the old DL 4. Go to the Licensing office. (in my case VIO Office) [s]5. Pass the road traffic sign test with the VIO desk officer.[/s] [s]6. pass the eye test (heard this was introduced after I got mine)[/s] 7. Move to the computer section where you'd be advised to pay 6,800 at the bank or pay 7,000 cash. 8. move to biometric capture centre. all finger prints are taken as well as a picture of you. 9. A temporary DL is issued to you. (mine was two months) 10. Come after two months and collect the original.
All these within 2 hours. i did mine in PH and followed the above procedure. i wasnt subjected to number 5 and 6 sha. Am now in number 10. Waiting to collect the original. |
Politics › Re: *~ Katsumoto Voted The Politics Section Poster Of 2012 *~ Congratulations by Demdem(m): 9:24am On Dec 20, 2012 |
The mods needs to be vigilant no doubt. |
Politics › Re: North Set To Shoot Down New Petroleum Industry Bill by Demdem(m): 8:01am On Dec 20, 2012 |
[b]This will continue to happen as long as this present political structure remain. I have always stated that this structure of ours is faulty and has to be re-designed and to achieve this an SNC has to take place which will bring about the re-writing of the constitution and not amendments which the NASS is currently working on. To me, they are simply wasting time and precious resources.
We have to re-discuss the basis of our togetherness if that is exactly what we want. The refusal of the Retardeen to initiate these moves which aligns to that of the killer party's position (at the expense of his own people who will surely be set free from their current slavery)is sickening.
let to me, lets un-bundle this whole structure, scrap states, lets go back to regional governments like the first republic, let regions have appreciable control over their resources and make the FG less powerful and less attractive.
Till this is done, we all can shout as much as we can, the Northern Oligarchs have as much right to the oil in the various states as much as the indigenes themselves and have the right to agitate for more oil money for themselves also under this satanic structure/constitution of ours. And by the way, they have the population also even in the NASS. if u think otherwise, test it in the law courts.[/b] |
Politics › Re: Fashola Can Use Lagos Successes To Run For President- Bloomberg by Demdem(m): 7:38am On Dec 20, 2012 |
Prof Corruption: Election in Nigeria, historically and factually, has less to do with performance. It's more of striking the right alliances. Fasola is a performer no doubt. Yar'Adua did well in Kastina, no question about that. But the election that brought him to power was not allowed to be decided on basis of performance , it was massively rigged. Even when that of GEj was not massively rigged, sentiments woven largely around historically perceived injustice swayed voters in his favor.
We are on same page, it takes more than performance to win a presidential election in Nigeria. I completely agree with u no doubt. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:36am On Dec 20, 2012 |
Chomzy19: what does he gain by fabricating stories of his death?
refer me to such a report that emanated from this journalist about Chime's death. bet u me, such does not exist.
N ooh yes he has bn very much untruthful before now
Kindly be specific. which report exactly. ur response is vague. Chomzy19: d false report of his death n yes it originated from him, he is lucky he is not bein sued for defamation
U obviously dont know what u are talking about. His earlier report on Chime was that he is sick not his death. Go back and read please. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 10:33pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
ocelot2006: Nothing stops the SSS from putting a lid on the spread of false stories. I say kudos to them. what false report? did it originate from this journalist in question? his earlier report wasnt false. |
Politics › Re: Fashola Can Use Lagos Successes To Run For President- Bloomberg by Demdem(m): 10:11pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Prof Corruption: Somehow true. share ur concerns and lets learn together. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 10:09pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Wonderful  |
Politics › Re: Fashola Can Use Lagos Successes To Run For President- Bloomberg by Demdem(m): 10:06pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
eastOFwest: I wasn't comparing them. I was only pointing out to you how both of them had no "successful track record" and were still elected.
Obama was senator for about 2yrs or so and am not aware that his constituents complained bitterly that they werent represented well during his period. Go bayelsa today and the people will tell u that the thief Alams is still their best till date.
Now, you tell me which past Nigerian elected president that has "passed excellently" in office?
yaradua did excellently well in katsina despite his health issues but that wasnt even the reason why he was elected. go through my first post again and understand my concerns. Antecedents should be taken into account but our society isnt such yet and that explains my frustrations as regards fashola's chances also. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:47pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Look, I'm so done with this argument, be it as it may... it is what it is... I repect ur opinion no doubt and i enjoyed our discussion. i didnt see it as arguments sha. At least i learnt about persons of interest sha  |
Politics › Re: Fashola Can Use Lagos Successes To Run For President- Bloomberg by Demdem(m): 9:40pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
eastOFwest: What was Obama's track record before he got elected for the first time?
U must be a joke to even compare obama with the retardeen. Secondly, Obama was not in an executive position, he was in the senate. Our own retardeen was in an executive position and yet failed miserably has governor. If he could for less population and more money for a state like bayelsa, why should we be bothered now about his current cluelessness in governance at the federal level today. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:36pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
blocker: Why take this much trouble to block information if there is no foul play? Ask anybody in Enugu whether SUN Newspapers came to the vendors stand last friday. No wait don't ask before they seize the laptop wen I dey use type sef. please tell me something i dont know. But it could be a technical or logistical problem from sun itself sha. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:34pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Exactly! You have no reason for doubt, which is absolutely fine... However, I'm off the opinion that if their mission there was vengeful or otherwise, his stories wouldn't surface. A prime example is the "do not make any call" incident, YET he did. One of many flaws in the story.
Doesnt that suggest to u that they themselves believes the law isnt with them in that house. That ordinarily should be an arrestable offence if truly their presence was backed by law. yet they did nothing. thats a red flag there.
There's nothing wrong sticking to your guns brother...I'm not giving any doubt nor full blown support to either, that's what makes us different.
am ok with this. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:30pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Well, like they say - Innocent till proven guilty, right? 
of cos so lets take this report has the absolute truth till a contrary report comes around preferably from the SSS itself
What shouldn't be allowed? An order for search and seizure? Hmm, if that's what you mean... Please take a look at our Amendments.
Search and seizure against those critical of govts positions without any basis (he never lied in his earlier report) shouldnt be encouraged and be condemned by all
Me sef was discombobulated when I wrote that. What I meant in the context was the meeting/and the acclaimed threat. There are types of threat and this wasn't harmful, at least we can see... It doesn't constitute harassment
Abegii, spare me with these arrangement of words. i admit, u are good with it but the fact remained that he was threatened by men of the security agents and that to me is harassment. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:20pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
adconline: 4. Chime should have done what Ajimobi did when some newspapers published that his wife had been detained by London Met. Police for money laundry.. He sued for N1 billion in damages. i love this. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:18pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Again, me I'm no expert on Nigerian law, so I'll stick to what I know. Neither you nor I know whether they showed him an judge order, or a search/seize warrant. We're just going by what he claimed. As for illegality, I guess it differs from country to country and case by case.
Look, to an extent i know how these guys work. the mere fact that they find it difficult to identify themselves properly suggests to me that they knew the law wasnt on their side. i have no reasons to doubt this journalist. his antecedents has been clean so far.
Technically, they're not obligated to show him their ID's. No agent will show you their ID card, but their enforcement badge. He claimed, at 11pm at night, he wants to see their ID, who does that.
technically u say ok the so called enforcement badge (if at all they have such) why didnt they brandish such when asked to identify themselves.
Again, neither you nor I know if they fully identified themselves as "State Security Service" with an badge...we're just going by what he said.
Again i re-instate that i have no reasons for now to doubt this journalist because his record so far is encouraging. If the SSS thinks otherwise, they should bring out a release to that effect but till then, will stick to his report which forms the basis of this thread. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:08pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
getukudo: You have come again with your mumu comments! How do you know they were SSS officials? Olodo! Fool, i have responded to this earlier. Go back and read. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 9:07pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: You term him as innocent right? Bros, we've been through this before. Ok, YES, he's innocent.
Of cos he is innocent to the best of our knowledge pending any further explanation from the SSS. Before this incident, he is noted for the truth and after this incident he is still a free man still doing what he knows what to do best. he is not being charged for anything till date.
How do you know protocols weren't followed? Are you part of the SSS team to know if or not an order was signed?
Then the procedure itself has to be condemned by all like i have been stating. In a democratic setting, its such shouldnt be allowed.
I feel bad for him because he felt threatened by the men, not the perceived harassment he claims, at least I read in the story.
he was threatend but not harrassed if am to get u right. Honestly, that doesnt make sense to me. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:59pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: What's illegal?
The confiscation of property
Without any legal backing, yes it is illegal.
or the stopping or blocking of his car,
this isnt out of place however it was wrong for the agents not to have properly identified themselves when asked
or the entry into his house or vigil they kep in his place?
On what grounds? Any legal order? these goons didnt eben identify themselves properly
How do you mean "illegality" ?
When I speak of "heat", I mean the problems that follow suit. Some are arrested, some have their properties confiscated, some are barred, depending on the story, some even loose their license, some are even fired. Depending on how u look at it, that's how I define heat.
In this case, the heat melted on him was the illegal harassment which u felt sorry for earlier. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:53pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: You're right, I'll agree with you. It's for the govt to charge erring journalist, after all, like the FBI says, "PIRACY IS A VICTIMLESS CRIME", so is this is something the govt should handle through courts. However, how else can the govt get proof without confiscating his property?
Although in my view though, I do not see this as harassing, though I feel bad for him, nevertheless, it comes as part of the job. I feel bad for him though... U just dont go to "innocent" homes and start seizing properties. there is a procedure for that. Was this followed? U feel bad for him but u dont think he was harrassed, then why do u feel bad? |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:45pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Exactly!
I haven't said things aren't accepted or not, even anonymous sources included. No doubt. However, my point is, if you gonna align yourself through anonymous sources who are sworn by secrecy to keep state or nations secrets, when the heat is on, do you also wanna claim innocence? When u say heat, do u mean illegalities to fight such journalists that goes about doing their legitimate legal duties? |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:43pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Right way meaning if the govt doesn't give you information, you can obtain it the legal way... Ok, legal experts, explain. I mean, if the average citizens is entitled by law to know information about their govt, then the state courts will side with the people under FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.. 
BTW, when I mean backdoor, I mean security leaks... nothing else. I think the onus is on the government to charge any erring journalist to court if they are convinced and can prove that he got his info illegally and not bullying and harassing such citizens. Even if citizens behave irresponsible (in this case, not so), why should govt also degenerate into such in a democratic setting?
There is no security risk has regards chime's health. Please lets stop this. he is human afterall |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:34pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
adconline: You have failed to link the Journalist with any mention of Chime's death . There u go again typing without researching or reasoning. The onus is on you to substantiate your claim. Maybe you are one of the said thugs...
Journalists always protect their sources.. Some exception might apply in some national security and treasonable cases and THIS CASE does not fall under any of these. I agree with this completely |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:32pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: I never said they need to source it from the govt, you're the one adding that. Ok... if you say so
My point still remains, if journalist wanna obtain information, go about it the right way. Don't go about it backdoor and then claim innocence "doing legitimate work" when someone comes knocking at your door.
And what is the right way in ur opinion if not from the govt that should know all. From ur argument, it seems as if anything except from the govt itself is backdoor. and by the way, what law stops journalists from securing their info from backdoors especially if such infos are true? |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:27pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: We may both agree at the "bottom line", but like I insisted, how did he get his source of information?
if the govt feels he got it illegally, then charge him to court instead and let him face the law. In the absence of that he got his info the same way journalists gets their info.
If the source isn't the issue, then why are operatives after him? Why did they confiscate his computer and phone to search and trace records? Did God come down to tell him or did he get in a vision? Yes, it's true (to the average Nigerian), but to the govt agents, don't you think they will want to deal with the snitch who leaked such details?
and at the end of the day what did they acheived? why is the govt particular about the source when the story itself is true. Only a dictatorial govt that swells in lies and propanganda does such and shouldnt be found in a democratic setting. The story itself isnt of any security risk. besides, because his wares were searched doesnt mean they were looking for his source (only a daft journalist will leave such an info hanging), they could even be looking for future news info from him
I believe we've streamlined our conversation to this journalist in particular - YES, he did nor neither has his reports been lies. Yes I get. Like I said, you cannot eat your cake and have it back, it doesn't work.
If he doesn't wanna be harassed any further, then do things the right way. If you go through backdoor and you say there's no law that prevents it, also keep in mind that when the heat is on, there's no same law that shields you.
He got his info without breaking any "journalistic" code of conducts. That cant be termed backdoor. The other day hen the retardeen was on air he as challenging the journalists questioning him that they should know the answers being posed at him. The journalist did nothing wrong within the books and his harrasement should be condemned by all and sundry. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:16pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
fistonme: yes accepted as an "unconfirmed" report. If a neighbour reads it in the daily and he happens to be sitting with my dad at the time maybe discussing the state of the nation. I guess you already know what would be his reaction(a big laugh as opposed to when he is far of). The reason being that he has confirmed and know it is to the contrary. Same thing goes when a rational reader reads a story tagged "unconfirmed". It all boils down to the fact that-i am responsible for 'what i say' and not 'what you deduce from what i say'. I admire ur maturity. Infact, u can further take steps to charge such a journalist to court and demand for a a published apology. This is what is expected in sane societies. we will get there with time. |
Politics › Re: Fashola Can Use Lagos Successes To Run For President- Bloomberg by Demdem(m): 8:09pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Surely fashola can and in sane societies such get elected because the persons track record is always being considered. However i doubt if our society is that sane and that explains my fears as regards if he will win or not. Track records arent considered here unfortunately. the case of the Retardeen comes to mind. what was his track record as a governor of one of the richest state in the federation that made the people to vote him such is the kind of society i find myself. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:04pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Does it make it right? That's a question for another day, perhaps the courts can help resolve that. However, IMO, it doesn't. In one of my post, I stated that I will want to know if my gov is sick or dead. Nonetheless, obtaining that information through a govt security source and then wanna claim innocence is just absurd. In addition, not only that, but also peddling wrongful lies is just inappropriate... That is my stand.
Bottomline, its not right. This journalist isnt noted for peddling lies so its not applicable to him.
We have different opinions on the issue, harass and threats is common phenom amongst people. Should it be encouraged NO, however, in same vein, journalist that will go through anything, or anybody, they don't mind who they hurt just to get source, is it ethical or should it be encouraged? NO.
How he got his info about Chime's health status isnt the issue especially if no one is even complaining about it. the issue is was it true or not? lets try and streamline our discussion to this journalist in question and not just any random journalist. each profession has its own bad eggs.
Therefore, let's call spade a spade. If Journalist acted rightly to obtain info rather than going through govt source or leaks, then there won't be need for operatives to come at your doorstep.
No law mandates journalists to always source their info from govt, not even an untruthful one like ours. Operatives coming to ur doorstep while doing ur legitimate work and brandishing persons or interest theory to ur face is pure rubbish. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:45pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: My point is, it's not ONLY those who are critical of the govt BUT on the general scheme of things, it's those with knowledge. YES, the govt will do all its best to protect that information.
And does that make it right? should it be encouraged? what is so special in letting the governed know the true health status of their governor? what security risk does it portend? By the way, this is the Nigerian context here and not the US picture u are trying hard to paint here.
I have explained this like 100x and you're not getting it. I have said it before, here it is again - knowledge on a subject matter plays a significant role.
YES or NO, isn't it someone within the govt/hospital or someone with security clearance leak that info to him? Was he at hospital to know Chime was ill? Come on, let's use our reasoning mind.
Again i state, what the govt did to him is wrong. Its not right and shouldnt be encouraged and our comments shouldnt encourage the govt to restrict peeps right just because they dont want the truth out there. If he is involved in peddling lies, thats a different story entirely but not this. |
Politics › Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:25pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Isn't that the beauty of democracy?
Nonetheless, keep in mind that same Constitution does not protect you in certain events...
No matter how much we try to uncover the truth, keep in mind there are exemptions to where you can exercise your right. Tell me what this journalist has done either with this incidence or before now that goons decided to harass him at home. This is the crux of the matter. persons of interest to me makes no sense to a law abiding citizen |