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Henry120:
The priority for Nigeria has always been the safety of the girls, we can go in gun's blazing like the Algerians, but we would end up also killing most of the hostages.

You were too scared to go back and engage a couple of farmers in the CAR.

Pathetic loser military!!!

This is a joke. Jonathan's priority is to coast until the next elections. Thousands have died at the hands of BH and now you're telling us that lives of the girls are what informs your lack of effective aggression? Sad joke.

Henry120:
Your troops have and would always be idle.

You should start by dealing with the emergencies in your country, you guys have managed to murder your national team goal-keeper.

Those retirement home troops are needed in your country. Save yourself first.

You're hurting, dude.

The picture below says not only are we active, but we are EFFECTIVE. Can't say the same for the Nigerian military. The world has even forgotten that there's actually a state of emergency in Nigeria. Is there a longer running state of emergency in history, I wonder? As for the goalie (RIP), I suppose you need a sociology and criminology crash course if you want to put that and 'military' in the same post. The DRC is us dealing with our emergencies, dude. We have signed the Inga dam agreement to deal with South Africa's water and power future. That's what EFFECTIVE military effort is about.

What were the Nigerians saying about Russia again?

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/756723

Russia, Brazil, South Africa discuss possibility of joint military products development

LE BOURGET, October 27. /TASS/. Russia, Brazil and South Africa are considering a possibility of joint development of military purpose products, deputy director of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Anatoly Punchuk said on Monday.

He is leader of the Russian delegation at Euronaval 2014 (International Naval Defence and Maritime Exhibition and Conference).

“In terms of BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] a series of major projects with India is being implemented now. South Africa shows more interest in cooperation with Russia in the joint development and production of military weaponry,” Punchuk said.

Earlier, Russia’s state corporation, Rosoboronexport, director-general Anatoly Isaikin told TASS that Russia, Brazil and South Africa were planning to hold talks within BRICS before the yearend.

According to earlier reports, Russia is planning to sign a contract on the Pantsir air defense missile and artillery systems before the end of the year. Russia proposes Brazil to improve technological cooperation on supplies of the Pantsir-S1 air defence and artillery systems, Punchuk said.

After the demonstration tests for the Brazilian delegation in September “active talks are continuing”, he said.

Thiza:
SOUTH AFRICAN TSUNAMI AND NO COUNTRY IN AFRICA CAN COMPETE WITH THESE PRODUCTS

Specialist rifle company Truvelo Armoury is busy working on two new rifles, is upgrading its existing range and will launch a new marketing and sales company.

Alexa Gerrard, Head: Sales and Marketing at Truvelo, revealed that two new rifles were under development but declined to provide further details at this stage. She also confirmed to defenceWeb that Truvelo is the main subcomponent supplier to Braddick Defence Systems and that Braddick is busy developing .338 rifles based on Truvelo’s barrel action subassemblies.

Truvelo Armoury, part of Truvelo Manufacturers established in 1974, began manufacturing barrels and rifles in 1994. The company currently fields anti-material rifles (AMRs) in four calibres, including 12.7 x 99 mm, 14.5 x 114 mm, 20 x 82 mm and 20 x 110 mm Hispano. Truvelo’s anti-personnel rifle (APR) series is available in 7.62 x 51 mm and .338 Lapua calibres.

Southern Africa is the business. Look at what Namibia is doing. In west africa, turmoil in Mali, Nigeria....

EVarn:
if the NA with all our numbers is overstretched,

It's not "if".

It's been confirmed by YOU and your own committee as per my link. And do have fun looking at Patchy's pics.

http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

Your post has been cut down in accordance with its lack of academic support for the views expressed.

Before, I forget, yes! Very ragtag is Boko Haram http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/help-losing-war-boko-haram/ Nigerian military not too different, either.

Love this picture.

Twenty-six African military attaches in South Africa

There are currently 26 African countries with military representation at embassies and high commissions in South Africa – seven more than South Africa has posted on the continent.

Accepting credentials from new heads of diplomatic missions last month, President Jacob Zuma said South Africa attached the greatest importance to continental bodies such as the African Union (AU) and the Southern African Regional Development Community (SADC). This has seen South African military attaches posted to 19 cities on the continent.

African countries with military level representation at embassy and high commission level in South Africa are Algeria, Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Cameroon, Chad, Congo (Republic), Democratic Republic of Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Kenya, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, South Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

The Department of International Relations and Co-operation (DIRCO) listing of the 58 foreign countries represented in South Africa shows by far the majority of military attaches and advisors are either colonels or naval captains with a few exceptions such as wing commander, brigadier and, in one instance, simply “general”.

EVarn:
you are still getting it wrong,yes i would consider myself new to the thread(though i've been following this thread since the beginning of the year),but common sense is not limited to new or old members of the thread,NA didnt 'flee' as alleged by cameroon and a section of the media,if they ran away they wouldnt have confronted boko haram again,you saw the video,now boko haram is seeking cease-fire!

Still no authority or support for ANY of your statements and BASELESS opinions. Have respect for other people's time and energy. No one has time for your "common sense". Give us hard, supportable facts for us to digest in our own way.

Meanwhile, yet ANOTHER instance of Nigerian soldiers fleeing.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/towns-seized-by-boko-haram-as-soldiers-flee-285337.html

You're new to the thread, Sir.

EVarn:
what are you saying,nigerian troops never ran away from boko haram,havent you heard of the term 'tactical retreat'?,boko haram have mastered the terrain perfectly,the NA was pinned at all sides in a well planned and crafted ambush and assault,the NA had two options(1)to break formation and press into enemy lines at all sides{which while it would have taken down hundreds of terrorists,is still folly as the whole place was rigged and they were outnumbered without immediate ground reinforcement,and no space to manouver} or (2)retreat backwards into cameroonian territory to avoid been completely surrounded,what did you expect them to do?,charge into the fray into certain death by ambush or retreat to fight another day?,why did the SANDF retreat when they recieved enough pummelling from seleka rebels?.fighting terrorists isnt conventional warfare,its about effective strategy and surgical strikes!

You're new to the thread. They ran. Not once, but multiple times.

http://m.voanews.com/a/report-nigieria-troops-boko-haram-cameroon/2438586.html

Note that you've provided zero links for your own statements. They aren't to be taken seriously by anyone who values their precious time.

By the way, regarding the below...

No, we don't expect you to, because what was/is a ragtag Boko Haram has you OVERSTRETCHED. We agree with you.

EVarn:
apart from that we are fighting terrorism at home!,you cant expect us to continue doling out battalions like chocolate bars!

http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

ActivateKruger:
Link which says we were chased?
I have links of Nigerian soldiers running away from Boko Haram... I can help you indulge yourself.

Come, my man. You know not to expect any proof.

Henry120:
The Uselessness of the SANDF.
The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.
Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:
· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;
· Promoting peace and security in Africa;
· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;
· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;
· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).
However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.
Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes.
With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes
Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions
A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks
South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"
While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained
Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue
The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.
Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

Dear Henry

How old is your post in relation to the review?

Yours faithfully

The thinking people of the world.

EVarn:
what are you saying,what 'hate and racism' are been 'spewed'?,arent the people on this thread africans(blacks)?,so what racism do you accuse 'newcomers' of perpetrating?,has anyone on this thread shot the other dead over an arguement?,so what hate to you claim exists?...this thread is just a way to catch fun and get interesting information about perculiar events all over africa!,i personally come here looking for an intellectual topics to amuse myself.

Time to get on with the thread, dude. Time to grow up. Thanks.

Enough with the attacks on the mod. Time to grow up. We've made our point(s). Let's get on with the thread and see what happens. We can't keep complaining about the same thing all night.

Look, guys, it's easy to criticise the moderator. Yeah, some military related posts have been hidden (e.g. Henry's posts from yesterday), but we've also failed to self-regulate. When new people come on here to spew hate and racism, some of us play along (I am guilty of that myself) or we sit on the sidelines and allow the mess to build up on itself. We shouldn't be surprised that the thread is misunderstood by moderators. We have failed to protect it.

This is the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

stillchris:
you don't get it. it's the beef that's the excitement in this thread. without the beef it'll just be one boring thread. hope mod will just chill and delete only racist and hate comments. cos I'll still like to give you round two of a5s whooping. .

I get it. Just be thankful madam moderator's taken you under her skirt. Why so many banned people this weekend? This thread is now getting the juice sucked out of it.

Henry120:
I was mainly referring to my posts. All the racist or ethnocentric and off topic posts, should be hidden, not mine.
They are all here, they haven't left. I do agree this thread has to always been on topic, and all post should be military related.

Yes, your last page of posts was military related.

ActivateKruger:
Thank you mod for deleting off-topic discussions... two thumbs-up for that.

Yes.

When butthurt builds up, derailment will ensue.