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Listen, I am sleeping. This is a waste of my sleeping time. It's not enjoyable. It's not educational for me and it's certainly not worthwhile.

Goodnight man.

EVarn:
the media do post out misleading reports,there have been instances where a particular news agency report unconfirmed speculation or assumption,then later come back to retract their statement,some of them dont even bother retracting their claims,so what are you saying?,thing is,the media is fickle.

And you have the correct information because you are an omnipresent force that sees all? The triangulated reports from more than one source and witnesses and local correspondents are wrong; and you are right.

Nigeria is the victims of a global movement against it, by the media?

Is that laughable or is that laughable?

Why would the media lie, sir? About your fleeing soldiers? Why?

EVarn:
c*mm-gulping fool,political decisions influence the local media which in turn influence the international media,where do you think the media reports come from?,of course,you wouldnt understand,afterall you saffers only know what ANC has pumped into your brains through the media.BBC and reuters are always reluctant in reporting the wrongs of western governments,they focus much negative media reports on africa,asia and the middle east,well about obama/camerons' foolishness,ISIS/ISIL??

You're angry because you cant organise your thoughts. You make zero sense.

Why would Western media lie about Nigerian soldier fleeing, you were asked. You talk about Obama and Cameron and the Nigerian opposition and corruption and the anc and the planet of Zod in the outer galaxies.

You have no answer, my friend. Even trying to dissect this disorganised mess you want to call an argument would be a waste of my sleep.

EVarn:
SA runs an almost fascist political system,with a weak{almost non-existent} opposition,and a grossly corrupt government.point of correction,nigeria isnt as corrupt as it was 10 years ago,the foreign media still rates nigeria in context of the past.nigeria isnt even near the most corrupt countries.

What has this gotta do with the price of cheese in China? I don't see the relevance or even the link to where you started.

Anyway, I didn't know that Nigerian political parties could influence Reuters and BBC and that they could be used to "distract people from Obama's and Cameron's foolishness" (your words). I think Nigeria is then the third force in global politics.

EVarn:
hmm...perhaps,but i dont think morale is a problem for the NA,and point of correction,the NA's image is not damaged,if the NA has a damaged image,then i can only imagine what the image of the SANDF is like.the media is causing more harm than good with their destructive reports,especially the western media that continually uses these false news to distract people from obama and camerons' foolishness.

Your answer to the question why the media would lie is weak and disorganised because in reality, you have no answer.

EVarn:
hmm...perhaps,but i dont think morale is a problem for the NA,and point of correction,the NA's image is not damaged,if the NA has a damaged image,then i can only imagine what the image of the SANDF is like.the media is causing more harm than good with their destructive reports,especially the western media that continually uses these false news to distract people from obama and camerons' foolishness.

You speak as if the Nigerian media is lying, which is not true. Why would all or most media houses lie? The image is definitely battered, with multiple news of soldiers fleeing, human right abuses, mutiny in the barracks etc.

South Africa media reports EVERYTHING, so you don't really have to imagine. Everything is out in the open and we South Africans have no issue with that. We welcome it.

As for morale, Nigerian soldiers themselves have complained of low morale, so it is a problem. http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-soldiers-complain-of-poor-welfare-motivation/

agaugust:
See, I have no time for a fraudulent debate with you denying clearly visible information and falsifying facts, I am leaving the forum for you to waste your time not mine.

I am out until sanity returns, the moderators don't even know what to ban, lies and fraud kills this thread more than topic derailment.
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If information is fraudulent, P.R.O.V.E. that it is fraudulent. No point crying about it and sulking just because you don't have the tools needed to make your point. This is not a moderator issue.

EVarn:
Boko haram will surely be put to rout,mubi will soon be retaken.the NA shouldnt be giving the media access to military operations,military information should only be deceminated to the public by the DHQ.personnally,i'm of the opinion that the media shouldnt be allowed to report or witness anything about military operations going on in the NE.

Maybe it will be retaken, but the damage to morale and image is already done. This is not any other town, there's a military base there and soldiers fled the base, leaving weapons behind.

A military that is inaccessible to the media becomes a repressive military. As long as actual operations are kept secret, there's no harm in reporting on things like Mubi, which are reported on after the fact.

Msauza:
NIGERIAN TROOPS ON THEIR HEELS AGAIN AS USSUAL, LEAVING SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF INSURGENTS.


http://saharareporters.com/2014/10/30/nigerian-defense-headquarters-orders-fleeing-soldiers-retake-mubi-boko-haram

"The troops will be without their commanders, Lieutenant Colonel A. Aguand a platoon commander, who were both injured yesterday when the pick up van they were fleeing in somersaulted several times."




BREAKING SPEED RECORDS, BOSSSSHHHHH.

Side-note:

Angola is growing, people. Militarily and otherwise.

Ambitious Angola takes to world stage

Is Angola about to become a global player? Luanda’s recent diplomatic charm offensive means the country is running unopposed for one of three African nonpermanent seats on the United Nations Security Council for 2015 and 2016.

Angola is no stranger to projecting power and influence. It has expanded its financial interests well beyond the African continent into Asia, Latin America and Europe.

It is intent on developing regional and international influence and is poised to become a key interlocutor on a range of African issues. But this will bring with it potentially heavy responsibilities.

Much of the council’s work is focused on Africa. Despite many positive trends on the continent, it faces threats to peace and security: civil wars in the Central African Republic (CAR), Libya, Sudan and South Sudan; insurgencies in Somalia, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and Mali; the growing threat of Muslim and Christian extremism in several countries; terrorism; piracy; and the spread of Ebola in West Africa.

Responses to these crises must be anchored as much in improved governance and political inclusion as in military action.

These crises will test Luanda’s limits and experience in post-conflict transformation. Over the past decade, the continent has demonstrated a commitment to tackling its problems, and Angola is intent on stepping up to the plate.

But it must provide leadership and financial, logistical and diplomatic responsibility.

Angola’s engagement with the world had long been rooted in “statist” imperatives – prioritising national over human security – and characterised by opaque bi-lateral deals where the asymmetries of influence always tilted towards Luanda. This has shifted.

Ascension to the Security Council and working with, and commenting on, key international issues will result in greater scrutiny of how well Angola supports international norms and standards.

These are largely uncharted waters for the government of President José Eduardo dos Santos.

Angola is placing itself at the centre of the peacekeeping and interventionist debate in Africa. It is calling for bolder and more decisive action in managing crises.

It will assume its seat at a time when the crises in the CAR and Mali have exposed the challenges faced by regional powers and organisations, and when the division of labour between the UN and African Union, and between regional bodies, is being widely debated. Angola’s ability to bridge the divide could help to define its claim to African leadership.

Its shift in foreign policy began in 2010 with a security sector reform mission to Guinea Bissau.

It was the first time since the late 1990s that Luanda had deployed troops in a foreign country. It wasn’t to help change the political landscape of neighbouring countries, as was the case in Congo Brazzaville and the DRC, but to assist in building wider reforms to stabilise Guinea Bissau.

In 2013, Angola’s Foreign Minister Georges Chicoti supported the call at the AU for strengthening Africa’s rapid response capacity, in terms of both the African Standby Force and the proposed interim structure, the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises.

Equipping Africa with a rapid intervention force remains a critical challenge.

Luanda has one of the better-trained and equipped armed forces on the continent. After Algeria, it has the largest military budget in Africa, estimated at $6.1-billion in 2013. Angola also has the capacity to airlift troops and materials quickly, which would radically change the readiness of regional initiatives to intervene.

As chair of the International Conference on the Great Lakes region, Angola is already involved in decisive action in the eastern DRC. More recently, it deployed 1 800 troops as part of the UN mission in the CAR.

But Angola’s battle-hardened troops, trained and equipped by Russia, Cuba and Israel, will need to understand how to operate in a multilateral framework and respond within the limits of an internationally recognised security mandate. This will be a steep learning curve.

A seat on the Security Council will give Angola an opportunity to learn how best to work strategically with the five permanent members. A key battleground in the Cold War, Angola knows well the workings of international realpolitik. It will assume its seat at a difficult time for the council, which remains divided on major crises, particularly the Ukraine and Syria. Navigating the divisions will test Luanda’s ability to balance contradictory interests and positions.

Its closest ally historically is Russia, and Moscow is a trusted adviser to Luanda. So it will probably side with Russia on key international issues. Beijing is a key economic partner, as seen in its collaboration with the China International Fund.

One can also expect Angola to co-ordinate efforts alongside American support to African states in their attempts to combat extremism and terrorism on the continent. It can work with the United States, the United Kingdom and France on a range of fronts that will help to improve its relations with the West. This, in turn, will increase its influence in the international community to promote its own interests.

Angola’s recent efforts to lobby on a global scale have shown that Luanda performs best and benefits most when it is committed to securing agreement in diverse regions and bridging contradictory interests and policy agendas. For the next two years Angola will have the international stage on which to project the capacity and power it has consolidated in the last decade.

But having the platform and resources is not enough. Angola will have to use its term on the Security Council to help to deliver commitments to peace and security at a time when “African solutions to African problems” are no less problem-free.

ActivateKruger:
Don't bother yourself with trolls, just ignore whatever he says.

You're right.

Centrifude:
*I need help*

I can see that I've been Mentioned on other peoples posts, but I can't open them or reply, I can only comment on the ones I wasn't mention on.

Is there something I can do to fix this?

Try a different browser or device and let us know what happens.

postmann:
shut up, Lousy. We all know you're an official liar. You manipulate figures and facts

Proof that he's lying would be nice.

postmann:
"down and out" , those where the words of the source, not mine. So you can learn to live with it.

Henry120 is your e-murderer. He murderd you here.

Like I said, I stopped reading. My time is precious. You're a waste of it.

agaugust:
You want me to post how Sudan's armed robbers robbed South African army and stripped SANDF of weapons and body armour?

SANDF army officers crawled like terrified cockroaches back to base in boxer shorts
.

If it makes you happy, but it won't change the story above.

SA soldiers ambushed in Sudan
Published: Today, 5:00 AM
Source: SAPA
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Johannesburg - Two SA National Defence Force soldiers deployed as part of a UN/African Union peacekeeping force in Sudan have been wounded in an ambush near their base, the SANDF said on Thursday.

"The injured soldiers were airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in El Fashir shortly after the ambush. The two members are in a critical but stable condition in the UN hospital," said Captain Jaco Theunissen.

He said two other soldiers sustained minor injuries during the ambush.

The ambush took place at approximately 12:35 on Wednesday when a section of 4 SA Infantry Battalion, who had to fetch water from a nearby waterhole in Kutum, came under fire from a suspected rebel group.

"Had it not been for the swift reaction, high standard of alertness and vigilance of the SANDF members, it could have been a different story," said the battalion commander, Lieutenant Colonel Andries Matlaila.

Matlaila said the training his troops received in South Africa prior to the deployment, coupled with the equipment they used, played a pivotal role in repelling the attack.

The rebel group, whose intentions were unknown, were forced to withdraw due to the outstanding retaliation by the South Africans, he said.

This attack followed similar attacks earlier on Ethiopian and Tanzanian forces, in the vicinity of Korma, about 20km away from the South African deployments near Kutum base, in the Northern Darfur region of Sudan.

The incident happened at a time when the Sudanese people were preparing for their national elections scheduled for April or May next year, which the SANDF as part of the peacekeeping force would be required to support.

Msauza:
HOW COULD YOU ALSO FAIL TO INFORM US THAT BH CAPTURED YET ANOTHER CITY.

http://leadership.ng/news/388641/boko-haram-captures-mubi-town-adamawa

Because the fall of Nigerian cities to BH is not even newsworthy anymore. No longer a shock.

But when the NA kills terrorists...now there's a shock worthy of headlines!

ActivateKruger:
Just read the comments section, people used this opportunity to post adverts instead of raising their concerns .... I guess Boko Haram is good for business.

They put up the same Nigerian customs ads in South Africa

agaugust:
Don't add to my words things I did not say.

I never mentioned race and I am the one who started anti-racism campaign on this thread when @CraigB attacked black people last year.

I said @Postmann called South Africa glory-thieves and he is very right about that. United Nations military success of about 20 countries in Congo DRC is being stolen and broadcasted as South African military achievement on this forum, so we should keep quiet and watch you guys fabricate lies and spread falsehood here?

Thief, ole, barawo banza, thiefu thiefu Jankoriko
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I am saying he was ALSO RACIST.

And that you have FAILED to point that out. You just praised him. Selective assessment on your part, given that his posts have been 100% racist until he was called out. Now they are just empty and baseless.

As for us being glory thieves, we have slaughtered 100% of his baseless arguments.

The same fate awaits you if you wanna revisit your old, dead arguments.

postmann:
Lies Lies Lies, from glory-thieves. Sources and articles have been posted here repeatedly on this thread. It was an international operation and southafrica was not even leading the operation.


Look for another lie, boy, we gotten used to this one.

Point out the lies or sit down.

Your choice.

postmann:
i know you can't smell logic even it were thrust into your Zulu nostrils or inserted into your brain.
China kitted and supplied the Libyan forces with military hardware and their tools proved a no match for the Liberation rebels. That was during so much international hype of China's new molitary strength and equipment. So everyone one was waiting for some kind of action.
So the international press dubbed them paper Tigers at the closure of that war, glory-thief, what's so hard for yoy to comprehend ?
Source-magnet like you.

China is giving Japan a hard time. You have no source to support your weak opinions.

You have more anger than the logic you so value.

That you speak in anger doesn't mean you'll be taken seriously. You'll be laughed at repeatedly and become the joke of the thread.

postmann:
China was a paper Tiger.

The folly of "Logic" and unsubstantiated views.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1560065/chinas-navy-no-longer-so-inferior-japans-experts-say?page=all

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/06/us-china-japan-navy-idUSBRE9251GU20130306

Support your views and be taken seriously. Fail to and remain a joke.

postmann:
And there's a minimum acceptable level of logic here. If one presents a source, do not assume it has been thrashed before, it doesn't matter how often it has been said. Fact is fact,no matter how worn.

Also simple truths don't always need source, it just a tactless and lousy excuses you fools use to deny truth. Paper tigers.

Anything subject to personal interpretation and subjectivity is not worthwhile if it's based on mere opinions.

You've provided nothing for people to build on.

All the views expressed here started on a link at some point and were built on.

postmann:
which country turns around a pariah, dilapidated weak military institution around in 2 years ? Answer : no country. So if SA is military is down and out in 2012, it still is today. Have another try.
And i don't fall for the well-worn "out-dated new" strategy.

Stopped reading when you said "down and out". Even Henry120, who studies our military for a living uses the word "decline".

"Down and out" is a first on this thread.

ActivateKruger:
Lol, it keeps getting him.

Yeah, he likes posting entire articles

overhypedsteve:
there is something i ve learnt from looking through the leaves of big textbooks of foreign politics. It is the fact that "in the international system the end justifies the means" so i now understand why you southafricans act the way you do, so what commercial and economic interest did southafrica have in CAR when it deployed troops there? Since you are an advocates of non-sentimentalism in international relations

Ok, well you do know that our deployment was in accordance with a bilateral agreement between the two countries, right? It was billed as a training mission...?

I believe the interest was diamonds in the central african region and a presence closer to the DRC too.

Spambot got Thiza

postmann:
I was actually expecting your excuses. A 2012 article is outdated ? You think military structures are built likr blocks of flats. That article rightly pointed that it would take decades of 7billion to 11billion rands anually for your pathetic military to even be up to par with Rwanda.

I never thought you'd own up. You're the hallmark of a new level of shame and cowardice. Hehehehe.

Here's a tip:

Persuasion skills thump force-feeding skills.

Persuade us through sound argument. Don't bark at us in the hope that you'll force us to see what you see. You'll get nowhere.

Your info is OUTDATED and that's that. Overtaken by events and overtaken by this thread.

overhypedsteve:
going by the situation in other regions like europe Asia and the caribean you may be right. But may i remind you that africa can easily be classified as a nation of people binded together by a common skin colour, common history, common failures, common struggle, common injuries and common victories i.e. the victory over slavery, colonialism, apathied , racism and economic woes of newly independent states. We re unique my good friend. You cannot compare the bond that binds african states with that of any other nations on earth except the Arabs

My point exactly! Bound by what was done to them!

Europe is bound by what they are DOING in politics and commerce.

For as long as Africa defines its identity with reference to what was done to them, nothing will ever get done.

But, yes, this is an extreme view. I am sure there's the correct position between yours and mine somewhere.

EVarn:
really,saffers on this thread must be getting really desperate,to resort to so much lies and half truths.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?,if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent.even now most african nations cannot match us in sheer firepower,if the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed",can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

How can we? Because

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21627646-africas-lodestar-nation-has-weathered-ebola-extremist-takeover-has-exposed?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/anationdivided

This is dedicated to Henry120

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21627646-africas-lodestar-nation-has-weathered-ebola-extremist-takeover-has-exposed?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/anationdivided


In the field the army lacks the equipment and morale to give chase. Boko Haram destroyed much of the air fleet in a raid last year and is now free to ride around in large convoys unmolested from above. T[b]he generals have asked Western countries for new helicopters and other equipment but were told first to alter their tactics, respect human rights, create proper supply lines and learn counter-insurgency skills. [/b]America, among other countries, cannot offer Nigeria training and arms until its army respects human rights.

Hapless at chasing insurgents, the army is nonetheless skilled at extracting bribes. Troops sent to the north-east to fight Boko Haram run checkpoints as shakedown spots. On the road between Maiduguri and Damaturu drivers are stopped every 10km (6 miles) or so and are asked for money by soldiers. In some cases the bus driver collects the bribes from passengers before leaving and hands them over to speed things up. “You pay according to how much luggage you bring,” says a passenger.

The soldiers are only following the example of their generals, many of whom retire as millionaires. A budget supplement of $1 billion to fight Boko Haram is seen by some as a little more than a new trough for greedy officials. So little of the money reaches front lines that desertion is common. Troops frustrated by a lack of food and ammunition have shot at their own officers. Several have been sentenced to death by firing squad for mutiny.

One expert says the army “is close to being shattered”. It has about 18,000 troops in the north-east, an area populated by 10m widely dispersed people. About half the force, amounting to most of the combat-capable troops in the 60,000-strong army, is squatting in Maiduguri.

overhypedsteve:
what are you saying?
you need to spend time to research on ethnoreligious conflicts in the islamic maghreb on the 21st century. How could you say they are not related? Please can somebody here help me to tell this young man that the tuaregs in mali had links enough with Boko haram that even when Nigerian troops were been moved to be deployed in Mali " AL ansaru" the hostage taking and international arm of Bokoharam detonated a IED on their convoy killing 2 men and injuring five.
http://beegeagle./2013/01/19/2-nigerian-soldiers-killed-as-suspected-terrorists-attack-military-convoy-in-central-nigeria/
you can check the list of terrorist attck on wiki for verification if you pls.
The Tuaregs are related enough for us to nigeria to have sent its secret service to mali long before the international intervention to study the connections between boko haram and the malian war.
It is related enough for us to start seeing weapons and artillery used in the malian war in nigeria after the war. It should be noted also that it was after the malian war that Bokoharam started using AAA mounted technicals and some ex-tuareg toyota machine gun trucks. How can you say it is unrelated? My man in extremism there is nthing like unrelatedness. British citizens are now pubicly fighting and beheading people under ISiS in Iraq and syria and so also american citizens xo my friend dont ever say they are not related
http://m.aljazeera.com/se/201463115816142554
they are related nigeria i fighting a international war that up until now have not been documented under any known intellectual compedium on strategic studies. I feel really bad that we do not have any african country competent enough to share intelligence, equipments and also train with cus it is better to ask for help from a brother than a friend. As for all of you blaming nigeria for asking for western support, i must make it clear to you that nigeria would have asked for african support if there happened to be any african country that was dependable enough to help. Just imagine cameroon that we re supposed to rely on. Always running to the news to gain attention at the expence of nigeria issues that ought to be passed through diplomatic channels are being exposed to the media to undermine the efforts of a brother nation. Is this not what we re all boasting about? That SA seized nigerian money and therefore SA is powerful ( is that not an insane parametre to measure how strong a state is, if thats how power should be measured then liberia can kill all nigerian citizens in its country and call itself powerful) i keep telling you people that the western powers have no business in Africa if we could form a united front to solve our problems. I told your man Lord Eeben the other time and he took up the maxim a african solution to a african problem

Following on your Tuareg-Boko Haram links, I find this very interesting:

http://www.allvoices.com/article/100001858

Nigeria: Boko Haram crisis and the regional geopolitics of oil (Part 2)

Anyway, African unity is a pipe dream, which in reality comes as a response to colonisation. What unites nations are symbiotic relationships, either in commerce or politics.

iterator25:
tell them to get rid of rhino poachers first ..

Why?