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Mockinbird:
Dr, i'm worse than sermwell.
I'm a backslider, i do bad things on Sundays too.
How can i get help?

GOD can help you climb out of anything you find yourself in right now. He longs to restore you to a state of sweet communion with Him.

The first step is going back to Him in prayers and asking for His forgiveness, resolving not to go back to your sins. He surely will forgive you and forget that you ever did any bad thing(Heb. 8:12). Even right now, His arms are wide open waiting to give you a big embrace.(1 Jn. 1:9; 2:1-2)

Then, you begin to study your Bible daily. There you will discover His will and promises for you.

I'll help you as much as I can. Send me a PM?

God bless you.

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JMAN05,

You Jehovah Witnesses say Proverbs 8:22-30 is talking about Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 says "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of GOD is made unto us wisdom..." The Bible makes it clear that to us, Jesus Christ is the wisdom of GOD.

Now my question: was Wisdom created?

Please don't quote your JW NWT bible for me. Quote the Authorized version or any other popular version.

Sermwell:
Bro I can tell you authoritatively that I live a good life! I don't steal, I don't fornicate, I don't kill or cheat someone, I don't keep malice, I don't backbite etc....I just keep wondering what else do they want to tell me in church when other so called christains don't even have such qualities as I do I just give up

This was exactly me last year. However, GOD in His infinite mercy sent help my way and put me on the right part.

Sermwell, I have something for you. Send me a PM?

No wonder the early Christians still kept the sabbath of GOD after Christ ascended to Heaven.

At this point, we shall ask a very pertinent question: Was Sunday-keeping introduced before Christ ratified the new covenant with His blood? NO! Therefore, Sunday-keeping is not according to Christ's will.

Was disregard for GOD's sabbath introduced before Christ ratified the new covenant with His blood? NO! Therefore, disregard for GOD's sabbath is not according to Christ's will.

Isn't it curious that Christ would say those words before His blood had been shed? He was commanding a memorial for an event which had not even happened yet! Why? Because it had to be introduced before His death in order to come under the New Covenant. Nothing could be added after His death.

Under the terms of that New Covenant not one soul would be left to struggle helplessly against the powerful urges of a fallen nature. "Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound." Romans 5:20. Eternal promises rooted in the changeless nature of God would provide power to overcome every inherited and cultivated weakness. No wonder the Bible emphasizes the "better promises" of this glorious new agreement!

Now it is easy to understand some of the things Jesus did just before He died. For example, why did He institute the Lord's Supper before His body had been broken? On the Thursday night before His agonizing death on Friday, Jesus met with His disciples in that upper room. Holding the cup in His hands, He said, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Matthew 26:28.

Another text leaves no question on this issue: "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." Galatians 3:15. Paul is saying here that after a man's death, his will or covenant cannot be changed. Not one new addition can be made after the death of the testator. The covenant stands forever exactly as it stood when the testator died. After the death of Christ, no change whatsoever could be made in His provisions to save mankind. The conditions were all sealed and ratified by the shedding of blood. Every requirement had been laid down clearly by the perfect pattern of His sinless life and provision had been made for the writing of His magnified law, by the Holy Spirit, upon the mind of each believer.

No Change in the New Covenant After Calvary

Since the New Covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ, it obviously could not have gone into effect until after Jesus died on the cross. This crucial fact must not be overlooked. Eternal life or death could hinge upon the proper understanding of this key point. Paul wrote, "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." Hebrews 9:16, 17. The word "testament" is the same as the word "covenant." Only after a man's last will and testament has been ratified by his death can the provisions be executed. In the same way, Christ's covenant or testament would begin to operate just as soon as He had confirmed the covenant by His death at Calvary.

It is most important for us to understand that the New Covenant law written on the heart is exactly the same law that was graven on the stone. Those great spiritual principles reflect the very character of God, and form the basis for His government. The difference is not in the law but in the ministration of the law. Written only upon the tables of stone, they can only condemn and minister death, "because the carnal mind ... is not subject to the law of God." Romans 8:7. Received into the heart which has been spiritualized by the converting grace of Christ, the same law becomes a delight. The beloved John declared, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3. Not only is the law not grievous for the Spirit-filled child of God, but obedience becomes a joyful possibility. The psalmist wrote, "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8.

The word for righteousness is "dikaima," meaning "just requirement" of the law. In other words, because of Jesus' sinless life in the flesh, the requirement of the law can be fulfilled in us. He overcame sin in the same kind of body we have, so that He could impart that victory to us. He will actually live out His own holy life of separation from sin in our earthly bodies if we will permit Him to do so. This is the New Covenant promise for every believing, trusting child of God. And it is absolutely the only way that anyone can meet the requirements of the law: "Christ in you, the hope of glory." Colossians 1:27. "The life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20.

The New Covenant Based on Conversion

This brings us to the very heart of the New Covenant operation. Obedience is made possible by the writing of God's law on the heart. Through spiritual regeneration the mind and heart are transformed. Christ actually enters into the life of the believer and imparts His own strength for obedience. By partaking of the divine nature, the weakest human being begins to live the very life of Jesus Christ, manifesting His victory, and crucifying the flesh.

Paul describes that transaction this way: "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Romans 8:3, 4.

How was the New Covenant ratified? In the same manner that the Old was confirmed - by the shedding of blood. But instead of an ox having to shed its blood, the sinless Son of God would provide the blood of sprinkling: "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ." Hebrews 13:20, 21.

What a contrast to the weak promises of the flesh made by Israel at Sinai. Instead of the people's "we will do," God's New Covenant promise is to "make you perfect in every good work ... working in you." It is no longer human effort. It is not so much you working, but Him "working in you." And how is this power made available? "Through the blood of the everlasting covenant." Because of what Jesus did on the cross.

The book of Hebrews begins to unfold. There God is reported as "finding fault with them." Hebrews 8:8. He said, "Because they continued not in my covenant ... I regarded them not." Verse 9. The blame is placed squarely upon the human side of the mutual pact. Thus, we can see exactly why Paul wrote as he did about this Old Covenant in Hebrews 8. It did gender to bondage, it proved faulty, had poor promises, and vanished away - all because the people failed to obey their part of the agreement. Putting all these things together we can see why a new covenant was desperately needed, which would have better promises.

How were the New Covenant promises better? Because God made them, and they guaranteed successful obedience through His strength alone. "I will put my laws into their mind ... I will be to them a God ... I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." Hebrews 8:10-12.

Again we are reminded that this covenant was not the law itself but was made "concerning all these words." The Ten Commandments were the basis for the agreement. The people promised to keep that law, and God promised to bless them in return. The crucial weakness in the whole arrangement revolved around the way Israel promised. There was no suggestion that they could not fully conform to every requirement of God. Neither was there any application for divine assistance. "We can do it," they insisted. Here is a perfect example of leaning on the flesh and trusting human strength. The words are filled with self- confidence. "All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient." Were they able to keep that promise? In spite of their repeated assurances, they miserably broke their word before Moses could even get off the mountain with the tables of stone. Do we begin to see where the poor promises lay in the Old Covenant?

Just as soon as that answer went back to God, the basis for the Old Covenant was set up. But before it could go into formal operation there had to be a sealing or ratifying of the pact. This ritualistic service involved the sprinkling of the blood of an ox on the people and is described in Exodus 24:4-8: "And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the children of Israel which ... sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord. And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basins; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words."

Notice how God asked Moses to present His offer to the people. Here are all the elements of a true covenant. Conditions and promises are laid down for both sides. If the children of Israel accept God's proposal, a covenant will be established. How did they respond to the divine offer? "And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord." Exodus 19:7, 8.

What then was the old covenant?

Having found what the Old Covenant was not, we are now ready to identify it specifically from the Word. To do so we must go back in the Bible to the book of Exodus. Many people have failed to see that there was more than one covenant involved at Mt. Sinai. God called Moses up into the mountain before He gave the law and proposed a covenant between Him and His people: "And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; ... if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me ... an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Exodus 19:3-6.

Just to be certain that Paul was not saying that the Old Covenant was the law, let us insert the words "Old Covenant" instead of the word "law" into Romans 3:31. "Do we than make void the Old Covenant through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the Old Covenant." That doesn't sound right at all, does it? We know that the Old Covenant had vanished away and could never be spoken of in this way. Very clearly, then, we can see that the covenant which came to an end could not have been the Ten Commandments.

3. Finally, though, we read the most dramatic thing about the Old Covenant - it was to be abolished! "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31. Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law?

2. The Old Covenant was faulty. The Bible says, "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:7. Let me ask you a question: Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Psalm 19:7. Paul wrote, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12. Does that sound like something weak and imperfect? No law could be perfect and faulty at the same time. It becomes more and more apparent that the Old Covenant could not have been the Ten Commandments.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:6-13.

Let us now look at three absolute proofs from the above passage that the old covenant which passed away was not the law:

1. We notice that the old covenant had some poor promises in it. The new covenant "was established upon better promises." Has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the 10 Commandments? No! On the contrary, Paul says they were very good. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." Eph. 6:1-3.

This alone is a conclusive proof that the old covenant couldn't have been the moral law.

First, what is a covenant? A covenant is simply an agreement. Now, let's see what the old covenant was:

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people...

Fewer subjects in Christendom have generated more controversy than the subject of the Law and the abolished old covenant. Some are confused as to what the old covenant entailed.

What was abolished? The old covenant or the Law? What was the old covenant? And What is the New Covenant?

We shall turn to the Bible for answers to all these questions.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." 2 Tim. 3:16

Some Christians go about today claiming that they are in the new covenant, and that they have been delivered from the law, and therefore are no longer required to keep it. Some even go as far as saying that the old testament part of the Bible is no longer necessary, that "we are in the new testament."

But is that what the Bible teaches? Let's see.

Krystale:
and why should i belive your God? If all theist claim thier God is the real dont you know then you are all wrong. Just imagine how i dont get to enjoy life, may get killed someday in the name of religion.
You guys should stop that evil.

"Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things GOD will bring thee into judgment." Eccl. 11:9

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible provides positive, logical evidence about the deity of God. The origin of the universe is supported and inspired by actual observation.

So?

ifenes:
The Egyptians called the Sun God,and worshiped it every 7 days. Isn't that the same tradition of Christianity who changed the Sun to the son? Isn't your day of worship "Sun" day?

Not all Christians worship the sun god. There is still a group which keeps the seventh-day Sabbath of the Most High GOD.

OLAADEGBU:
What is God, ontologically? Is it even possible for us to know what God is?

Theodicy together with ontology and cosmology is under metaphysics. So, cosmologically, how did the universe come into being?

The answer to this question is crucial to ascertaining the existence of GOD.

I tried looking up "astral plane" and found out that it has to do with another sphere of life supposedly inhabited by angels and spirits and other immaterial beings on their way to being reborn or on their after-death journey. This teaching has pagan and occultic roots. It also says human beings can consciously visit the astral plane through projection, near death experience or lucid dreaming.

This is one of tragically false doctrines Satan uses to keep people in ignorance. Satan and his angels turn themselves into anything just to convince people and make them believe his lies. "But we are not ignorant of his wiles."

Wikipedia says this astral plane doctrine influenced the early church, which morphed into the catholic church today. No wonder they have the doctrine of purgatory: a place where "souls" of dead people go.

True Christians(followers of Jesus Christ) don't visit any astral planes, neither do they go anywhere at night: they stay in their bed and enjoy their God-given rest.

Krystale,

There is a GOD. He created the heavens and the earth, all that is seen and unseen. He created me. He created you.

He is a holy and pure and righteous GOD, and He hates sin. He has a law by which he governs the whole universe. That law is His character. Sin is simply transgressing that law. According to His constitution, the penalty for sin is death.

But because He loves you so much and couldn't and still can't entertain the thought of losing you forever, He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to suffer the penalty of death which you as a sinner deserved. Thus, if you believe on Jesus Christ and turn away from your sins, He will pardon you and make you clean again. Your record of sin He will blot out.

Jesus Christ will come back again very soon. And if He finds you doing His will when He returns, He will take you to Heaven where you will be with this GOD that loves you so much. There will be no more pain, no more night, no more tears and no more death.

Will you accept Him today?

To follow our ancestry back through the sons of Adam, "who was the son of God," is so much more satisfying than to search through dismal swamps for bleeping monad forebears. The human race has dropped, even in our lifetime, several degrees deeper into moral perversion and violent disorder. Humanists cite our animal ancestry as an excuse for much of this bizarre behavior. Why blame people for action dictated by their bestial genes and chromosomes? This rationalization, like a temporary insanity plea, provides license for further irresponsible conduct. The true cause for evil and the true remedy for it are found only in the Word of God. Sin has defaced the image of God in man, and only a personal encounter with the perfect Saviour will bring a reversal of the problem of evil.