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dolphinheart:
at the beginning of the creation of God
Pr 8:22Jehovah "produced" me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.

Which version of the Bible used the word "produced" in Prov. 8:22?

Secondly, Prov. 8:22 was talking about wisdom, not Jesus Christ. Check verse 12 to see that. GOD created every thing with wisdom; indeed, He is a wise GOD. He is the origin of wisdom.

Now it is clear to me that you have turned away from Bible teachings, in that you said Jesus Christ has a beginning. You said that the beginning of Christ is the beginning of creation. Let's see what the Bible says: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" Jn. 17:5

The Scripture clearly asserts that even before creation, Jesus was. Again, the Scriptures prove you wrong.

dolphinheart:
answer : Jesus Christ

You agreed that Satan was tempting Jesus Christ, and Christ told him not to tempt the Lord his GOD. There is only one meaning to that: Jesus Christ is the LORD his GOD.

JSoE:
Fvck off with your religion,Ass-Hat.Child of god ko,puppy of dog ni.

You know that deep, deep down inside you, there is a gaping emptiness, a void that nothing seems to fill, even if you try your best to deny it. There is something you feel is lacking in your life, and it creates unsatisfaction. You try to find satisfaction by living your life the way you want and doing what you want, yet the satisfaction isn't coming. The void is still there.

There is only one answer to your quest.

Kudos, Johnw74, for that explanation.

johnw74:
Hi Doc, good to see another Christians at this place

you will notice that dolphinheart won't continue to reply to verses that he cannot twist or manipulate to say something else

Yes it clearly was Jesus being tempted

Hello, Johnw. Good to see you.

dolphinheart:
if that's how you understand it, then why is he going and coming back if he is present everywhere.
when Stephen was about to be killed , where did he say Jesus is, he said he saw Jesus in heaven standing at the right hand of God!

So, are you saying Jesus is not omnipresent?

dolphinheart:
no one is denying that Jesus is not a God

Good. You agree that Jesus is GOD.

Let us now check the dictionary meaning of the word "almighty":

1. having complete power; omnipotent. (Oxford dictionaries)
2. having unlimited power (dictionary.com)

Now, I have a question for you: is Jesus Christ's power limited?

Dolphinheart,

If you say Jesus is not equal to GOD the Father, why did Jesus make this statement: "...Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM " Jn. 8:58 ?

Explain the action of the Jews in verse 59 of that same chapter.

dolphinheart:
...almighty God is the supreme being, he does not have a God superior to him, therefore jesus is not the almighty.

Who told you that there is superiority and inferiority among the triune GOD? Does the Bible say that any among the three Persons of the Trinity is superior while another is inferior?

dolphinheart:
sir, John 1:1-4 and John 14: 6 does not say so. jesus had a beginning.

When did Jesus begin?

Dolphinheart,

Did you even care to look up the concept of the triple point of water? You wouldn't be asking me questions about it if you did.

You said Jesus was not the GOD Satan was referring to during the temptation. My question for you: who was being tempted at that point? Jesus Christ or GOD the Father?

Let us not derail the thread. Ifenes, we may continue our argument elsewhere.

ifenes:
You don't need to rephrase. That was a good answer. Don't dodge the question I asked you. Do you consider Bestiality immoral?

I don't kill other because they are not a threat to me. If I see a guy with a suicide vest,my instinct will be to run or take him down. But I generally won't harm humans because they 99.9% won't harm me. But If saw a snake,my instinct is to kill it before it kills me. And you will do the same.

Bestiality is immoral by all means.

Why do you deal honestly with others in business?

ifenes:
I use things,I don't bow or pray/depend on them. Oh I worship puzzy tho

Well, I didn't really ask about what you bow down to. I bow down or pray to nothing on this earth too.

Tell me, you pay allegiance to nothing?

ifenes:
Morality is just a matter of opinion. It is not set on stones as to what is right or wrong. You make yours,I make mine. I could say meat eating is immoral and can build a religion/cult that would consider it a sin to eat meat.

Someone asked if Bestiality is a sin,then I said why would sleeping with animals a sin? what about eating them or using their skin for clothing? What do you say to that?

Our opinions determines what we consider to be moral or not.

Let me rephrase the question: why don't you kill other people and destroy others' properties? Why do you deal honestly with others in business?

ifenes:
Must I worship anything?

So you worship nothing?

Ifenes,

I have a question for you: what do you worship?

HCpaul,

If there is no GOD, what is the basis for morality?

What people fail to understand is that the relationship that exists in the Trinity is a mysterious one. We are talking about GOD Himself here. The relationship that exists in the Trinity transcends human comprehension.

It is a purely selfless relationship in which the Father constantly seeks to glorify the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Son constantly seeking to glorify the Father and the Holy Spirit while the Holy Spirit constantly seeks to glorify the Father and the Son. This is evident throughout the Scriptures.

There is no schism or struggle for power and superiority in the Trinity. The Father is not seeking to assert His preeminence over the Son or the Holy Spirit. Neither does the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. Hence, the Three are One.

A proper understanding of this will help our knowledge of the Trinity.

Barristter07:
DoctorAlien



You didn't answer my question, explain the Isaiah 9:6 in relation to Ephesians 4:6 !
does that make Jesus the Father of ALL ? even humans call their biological male parent Father . but never Father of all , so that's a lame point


The phrase is " Father of ALL " , is Jesus the " Father of All" ?

I think at this point we need to rephrase the argument: is the argument about the concept of Trinity and the GOD-status of Jesus or is it about whether Jesus is called Father of all?

We know that GOD the Father, the first Person of the Trinity, is the Father of all. He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is GOD the Son, coeternal with GOD the Father. The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity. He is GOD, equally coeternal with the Father and the Son. There are not three GODs; There is one GOD.

The Bible says so.

Barristter07:
Concerning the bolded part of your post , the text in question despite been fake...

is Jesus the Father of ALL ?

How is the Bible verse I quoted fake? Explain.

Concerning your question, let's see Isa. 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...and his name shall be called...The everlasting Father ..."

So, the Bible clearly calls Jesus Father.

Furthermore, Dolphinheart:

10. The Scriptures also teach that only God knows the thoughts of a man’s heart (1 Kings 8:39). Yet Jesus consistently knew what people were thinking, “for he knew what was in man” (John 2:25). “Nathanael said to Him, ‘How do You know me?’ Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you’” (John 1:48 NKJV).

11.Through the Spirit, Jesus is omnipresent. “Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matthew 28:20 NKJV). “For I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city” (Acts 18:10 NKJV).

12. He has power to give life, and even resurrected Himself. “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it
again” (John 10:18). “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).

Therefore, Jesus Christ is the Almighty GOD since He has these qualities.

Continue, Dolphinheart:

7. Jesus is able to forgive sin (Luke 5:20, 21); The Bible says only God can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25).

8. Jesus accepted worship that according to the Ten Commandments is reserved only for the Almighty (Matthew 14:33). “And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘All hail.’ And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him” (Matthew 28:9). Upon seeing the risen Savior, the converted skeptic, Thomas, confessed, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26–29).

9. Even the angels worship Jesus. “And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him” (Hebrews 1:6).

Dolphinheart,

Let us now consider the primary definitions of GOD and see if Jesus fits into all of them:

1. He is self-existent (John 1:1–4; 14:6); only God is self-existent (Psalm 90:2).

2. Jesus defines Himself as eternal. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8 ).

3. He is, and has, eternal life (1 John 5:11, 12, 20).

4. He is all-powerful (Revelation 1:8 ).

5. He created all things (John 1:3). “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are
on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16 NKJV).

6. The Father even calls Jesus God. “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:8 ).

Also, consider this:

Science tells us that light is constituted of three primary rays, or groups of wavelengths. Clearly distinct from each other, none of them without the others could be light. Each ray has its own separate function. The first originates, the second illuminates, and the third consummates. The first ray, often called invisible light, is neither seen nor felt. The second is both seen and felt. The third is not seen but is felt as heat.

Like light, our “One God” is revealed in the three distinct persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1 John 5:7 NKJV).

Dolphinheart,

The triple point of water is the temperature at which ice, liquid water and water vapor exist together in thermodynamic equilibrium. This temperature is 0.01 degrees Centigrade. Look this fact up on wikipedia. So, water can exist in three states at once, contrary to your assertion.

I never really said that the triune GOD is totally described by the relationship between the three states of water. A physical material like water cannot fully describe Divine Mysteries. However, a glimpse of the triune GOD can be obtained from it.

I quoted 1 Jn. 5:7 from the KJV, and all the words I wrote can be found there.

The KJV is the only version that was translated from manuscripts that escaped corruption and adulteration. You can read more on that.

If you say Jesus Christ is not GOD, why did Jesus reply Satan thus: "...It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy GOD" Matt.4:7 ?

What do you have to say about this: "I and My Father are one" Jn. 10:30 ?

Dolphinheart,

The concept of trinity can be exemplified by water in its three states: solid ice, liquid water and gaseous water vapor. Yet, these three are the same. There are not three waters but one water in three different states.

Though the word "Trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible, the concept of Trinity is a very biblical one. Consider this: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. " 1 Jn. 5:7. Of course, we know that Jesus Christ is the Word.

Also, to suggest that Jesus Christ is not GOD will be contradicting the Scriptures. Consider this: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" Isa. 9:6. Here, Jesus is clearly called GOD. Ascribing to Jesus any status lower than this would be contrary to the Scriptures.

Now we understand in part, but then we shall know fully.

GOD bless you.

Ubenedictus:
Because i kno the difference between a biblical example and and an outdated and surpassed command.

Which command is "outdated" and "surpassed"?

Also, this is a biblical example: "...as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day" Luke 4:16 ----Why are you not following this example?

Ubenedictus:
The bible says no image of heavenly things, yet the temple in jerusalem had images of cherubims, dont u see u are making d bible contradictory?

Isn't this hypocrisy? You claim you have images in your church in imitation of Judaism: why are you not obeying the 10 Commandments as Israel did?

Meanwhile, did anybody ever pray to the Cherubim over the ark?

This may be the article you're going to quote for me, Syncan: www.ecclesia.org/truth/enoch.html

But I have few questions for you:

Where in the Bible does it say that Elijah was taken to another Heaven that is not the place where GOD is?

in the verse below, what does the word translate mean?

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because GOD had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased GOD" Heb. 11:5

Heb. 11:39 says Moses and co DID NOT receive the promise. What promise was being talked about here?