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gensteejay:
About passion, since a few years ago when I left religion after reading different books written by various authors and my insight into life's issues got broader, that was when I knew why history is extremely important. And apart from science (Physics and Math for my career in the science field), history became my second favorite subject.

When foreigners have the opportunity to write the history of a people for them, they can enslave them and control them as they wish. History is of great importance, and the best and most qualified people to write their own history are indigenes of the land, not foreigners as it was done to Africans by whites.

Apart from Otem's book of history, I'm always seeking new books of history and philosophy to read to continue learning. Now that I'm back in Lagos, will be checking my guys later to get more books on those subjects.

I have stated this before and this post reinforces my stance.
You are clearly brilliant and inquisitive, however, it can be said that your source of knowledge on this issue is clearly misleading.
If you can read and believe firmly only one book, you are not much different from the religious fellows you are trying to dissuade from their beliefs.

You have to ask yourself if there is any CREDIBLE SOURCE that corroborates this otem guy that you believe.

Studying history that goes into millennia is quite tricky if not impossible right now, so what was the source of the authors knowledge and how did he come to his beliefs about what he wrote?
What was his research methods and where and when did he carry out the research?

These are vital questions you should ask so that you don't fall into the trap of wrong indoctrination too.

Oasis007:


..... Ought to be one of your Disciples. He reads, spends every minute of his Life on Internet. He's becoming a Human Version of Google based on his Words.

You can guide him, just seek little help from gensteejay.

Which wan be guidance?
Person wey believe cult violence is overrated. The guy is far beyond redemption. When you have someone who supports 419ers, supports cultists and defends rape, you know you are dealing with a criminal, there is no twisting that fact.
How many people here have corrected his stance on this? Yet he defends them assiduously. Just look at this post below and tell me this person isn't foolish.

seankafor:
But on serious note.. this cultism violence is kinda overrated.. like yall are painting it as if once you join cult, you must die of HIT or some sort..

I personally know many cultists that are still living and balling..

Understand me..cultism no good oo, I ain't one and dont have plans to be one .. but hey.. the violence and how yall paint it is kinda overrated.. many dey use there head play am kwa.. people wey dey mostly die na people wey dey carry am for head..
Even now sef the violence don reduce sef cos niggas re more focused on securing the bag..lol..
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Oasis007:
Wasn't aware of his Post, that's part of the Reasons they should stop erasing Post (s) at will.

Trust Buddies here to deal with the Post and it's Poster intelligently. Shinkafa (seankanfor) was wrong with that kinda insane Submission.

I believe he's still a young Chap, I trust Dudes here to correct him politely, he's open to Corrections as well - I believe.

@ the bolded, he has shown how incorrigible he is on this subject matter.
How many people here have corrected his stance on this matter, yet he will be doing strong head.

This same idiot_ has supported cybercrime, this same fool has supported cultism, now he is supporting rape. You can see we have a hardcore criminal on our hands.

Forget the guy matter, there are a lot of people who are given bans that don't deserve it but this guy needs to be obliterated from cyberspace to stop negatively influencing others on crime.

Ibime:
No it won't

I didn't know you hated jorginho.
Who do you prefer between fabregas and jorginho?

Bville02:
I'm so glad I watched this. The black man was so furious and clearly angry in his speech. He knows his history too, he was just dishing out historical events and creating instances from them to back up his points.

No Justice, no Peace furreal. The three other police officers are to be charged too.

Indeed, in 10 minutes, the black man was able to summarize the pain and anger of all black people in America. He laid bare the history of institutionalized racism and police brutality on blacks.

I particularly liked the part where he pointed out the fact that the foundation of America started with protest, looting and rioting. The Boston Tea Party.

Seriously, I'm all for anything it takes for racism to end once and for all.

hmm. just thinking about it for the first time.
it's quite obscene that there is no single female regular here despite the ubiquitous appeal and uniqueness of this thread.

Billyddude:
take a break from series. Watch these movies


Unbroken
Heist. Starting Robert de niro
Escape from Pretoria
Pappillon


I assure u ,u will love em

I didn't really understand the ending of pappilon, did the rich friend(remi malik) succeed in escaping the prison too?

IamMichael:
Wow!
Thank you a lot bro. I'm really grateful you found it helpful.

Believe you me, you are helping a lot more nairalanders than you know. More grease to your elbows.

afrodoc2:
My chairman. Me sef dey read books to understand na.
No be only you.

I trust you Doc.
Meanwhile, what do you think about these anonymous hacker guys wey dey cause gbese for trump? Are their findings to be believed?

Victornezzar:
Our thread isn't a dumping ground

If by dumping ground you mean an epicenter of the best and brilliant, nairaland has to offer. I love me some dumping ground.

Oasis007:


Life is turn by turn Bro. What's happening here is Nature, apparently something I thought you believe in.

Don't be surprised to see Arsenal Thread becomes Epicenter of Discourse on this Board, perhaps by 2021/2022 football Season.

You mean, you have lost all hope in your own club, you even believe arsenal will rise above your club again.

TOUGH.

seankafor:
are you special kind of stupid

I am not going to start insulting you this morning but I just want to know the imbecile_ that posted this below.

seankafor:
nothing justifíes rape and murder..
Nothing justifíes suicide also but people commit suicide cos of heartbreaks..

So if someone can commit suicide for heartbreak, then what more of the person laying his/her hands on the person that broke his/her heart?
Prevention is better than cure bro

This thread once surpassed the Chelsea thread by more than 2000 pages
Of course that was when Ferguson was bribing his way through premier league trophies.
Is it any surprise that since Howard Webb and Ferguson retired, the club has lost its relevance and prestige?

Suck it oasis007, mrta7, Patrickmuf, nitrogen, larride, lequte and all you dead beat man-u suckers.

THIS THREAD IS DEAD AND BURIED, JUST LIKE YOUR CLUB.
IMAGINE A MANCHESTER UNITED THREAD LOSING ALL RELEVANCE IN SPORTS.

seankafor:
https://www.nairaland.com/5897322/livinus-elem-uwa-vera-uwailas

What was your reason for posting this here?

Do you genuinely believe that people here would support such heartless justification for brutal murder and rape?

Do you realize that so far as you dump someone in a relationship, you have most likely broken the person's heart? How many people here will say they have not dumped people before? So dumping someone is enough justification for murder abi?
You need to have a serious rethink on this issue bro.

afrodoc2:
Good points. It’s a very complex issue that I don’t think has a simple solution.
I actually agree with you in terms of tackling systems rather than people that is why i talked about police, prison, economic and social reforms.

One thing though, you can’t compare the black slavery that took place in the USA to that of any European country including the UK.
Not in terms of duration, extent, or cultural and economic significance.

Our points align together exactly, on this issue. Nice one Doc.

merahki:
For your posts starting from the one below. It was shared with me yesterday. Has a lot to do with your insight, understanding, knowledge about racism
...Enough said.

Thanks for the kind words and support.
When i make my points here, I do know that some silent and neutral observers do support me.

merahki:
@donjazet and gensteejay,
I want to buy you guys whiskey

For what exactly?

Another insightful post debunking juju.

For what reason does science deny witchcraft, sorcery and black magic, if it is something that they did not even verify?

They are energies that break the laws of physics and can never be measured.
By
Per Jorgensen



“I have invented a machine! My machine summons the dead, turns people into newts, and also cures COVID-19.”

Astonishing! Can we see it?

“It cannot be seen with the eyes.”

Oh. Can we handle it?

“It cannot be felt with the senses.”

Can we try it out?

“It cannot be operated by just anyone.”

Why not?

“It is quite dangerous in untrained hands.”

Can you train us?

“Yes. You may enter a secret training program led by me.”

How long is the class, and what is the curriculum?

“It may be years sequestered in the secret sanctuary of Büll Chyīt to be granted the requisite robes, or you can get the E-Z Certificate in the mail for a low fee of $199. You get two free crystals with the purchase.”

OK. And the E-Z Certificate will allow me to operate the machine?

“Yes.”

And I will be able to summon the dead, turn people into newts, and also cure COVID-19?

“Provided you believe that it will, yes.”

Wait, it only works if you believe it will work?

“Yes. It is a special machine. I told you.”

Then how do we know it does what you say it does?

“Logic. When the dead are summoned, a person is turned into a newt, or someone infected with SARS-CoV-2 does not die, the machine worked. If the machine worked, that means its operator believed.”

Can we measure its operations?

“It operates outside the realm of measurement.”

But surely it must make use of the laws of physics?

“It operates outside the realm of known physics. It’s a special machine because it follows other, special laws that cannot be measured.”

OK, wait, if it does the things you say it does, then those things can be measured, right? I mean, if it summons the dead, then if it’s working we will see the dead with our eyes or hear them with our ears?

“Yes, provided you believe.”

It only works if you believe it works. You did mention that.

“Verily. The machine exists outside the realm which your instruments may detect. Only an expanded and freed mind may access the lost senses with which to detect its effects.”

Alright, let’s try a different approach. If your machine turns people into newts, we can see that they are now newts?

“Verily. Here is one of them. It is visually quite striking.”

How do we know that was once a person?

“This is quite exasperating! If you will just free your mind for one minute from the shackles of science religion …”

Now hold that thought. Maybe if we could ask someone who was turned into a newt and then turned back? Does the machine do that?

“Verily. Here is one of them. As you can see, his condition improved.”

Cool! We can ask him then?

“He will have no recollection. That is a function of my machine. Its operations are quite dangerous, therefore anyone exposed to them must be protected from knowledge thereof.“

Oh dear. How about this, can you turn me into a newt?

“It shall be done.”

I’m not a newt.

“My machine turned you into a newt, then I reversed its settings and turned you back into a human. Leaving you a newt would be evil. You have no recollection, as I stated earlier.”

Can we bring Bob in here so you can turn him into a newt while I watch?

“My machine cannot work under the gaze of those who do not believe. I sense that you do not believe, therefore it cannot be done.”

Can we film or photograph it then?

“Instruments of recording are constrained by the laws of physics and cannot record the machine’s effects.”

Very well. How about COVID-19. How many have you cured so far?

“Thousands. Thousands my machine has saved from COVID-19.”

How do we know your machine is what cured them?

“I operated my machine. They did not die. Ipso facto, my machine worked.”

I think we’ve heard enough. This machine isn’t real, is it?

“This is outrageous! How dare you … your mind is closed and your eyes covered by the blinds of the dogma you call ‘science’. If you would just open your inner eyes and break free from the constraints of your ‘measurements’ and your ‘detection’, you will be liberated to see that which exists in other realms!

“Also, show me the proof it doesn’t work!”

It’s like that: Science doesn’t need to deny anything. Science questions. If it’s real, you can show it. If its effects are real, you can show them.

If magic is real, all you have to do is show it to be real

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Nice thread O.P.
Micheal, you are a brilliant writer. I have found your arguments quite insightful, consistent and illuminating.
Kudos.

Just thought i should share this nice post I came across here. It's a 4 minute read though.

HOW DO I KNOW MY BELIEFS ARE TRUE?

1)Have you ever held a false belief?

2) What made you realize you were wrong about that belief?

3) How did that realization make you feel?

4) Is it possible that you might hold false beliefs right now and you just don’t realize it yet?

5) What would it take to convince you that a belief you hold right now is false?

6) Are you passively or perhaps even actively resisting a change in your beliefs because of the emotional impact it might cause to realize you are wrong?

7) What is more important to you… Believing true things? Or believing things that confirm your existing worldview and don’t challenge you emotionally?

CHANGING WHAT WE BELIEVE IS HARD.

It’s not so simple as just “choosing” to believe something. Think of a closely held belief you have and try to remember if you chose to believe it, or if you were just exposed to enough information about it that it became impossible not to believe it. Do you choose to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow or do you believe it will based on what you’ve experienced about every sunrise before? Could you actively choose to believe that the sun will fail to rise tomorrow without some evidence that it won’t? Actually, you might say that you don’t “believe” the sun will rise tomorrow, you “know” it as a fact. Well, strictly speaking from a philosophical viewpoint, none of us “know” anything with 100% certainty. When we say we know something we really just mean that we have a very high confidence in that belief. Knowledge is a subset of belief. There are likely objective truths about reality that we can observe and make conclusions about, but personally I don’t see how we could ever perceive reality with 100% accuracy. This is a humbling concept to admit that we don’t actually know things, and even the things we have a high certainty in believing, we must admit that we may only have part of the picture.

I’m going to frame the rest of this discussion around a belief that I held very closely for most of my life. Up until I was about 22 years old, I sincerely and wholeheartedly believed that there was an eternal being who created the universe and gave us a special place in it. His only son came to Earth and sacrificed himself to give us a life after death. It took me several years, but I was exposed to enough outside information that challenged this belief that I was eventually forced to abandon it. I didn’t choose to lose my faith, in fact, there were times where I actively wished I could choose not to. Losing my faith came from a larger process of skepticism and scientific thinking.

WHEN DID I CHOOSE REASON OVER FAITH?

It started with the first question I asked you here today. How do I know my beliefs are true? When I left home for the first time to attend university, my worldviews were thrust wide open. I was being exposed to new people, new ideas, new beliefs. Often times these new things were at odds with my personal experiences to that point. I was recognizing that my perception of the world was quite small. Like I had been looking through a spyglass my whole life. I relied too heavily on that narrow view. It was very jarring to have someone take my spyglass and point it at something I couldn’t see before. I lost confidence in many beliefs, and I realized if I was wrong about even simple things, perhaps I was wrong about pretty important things like religion. I wanted to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. I started pointing my spyglass in directions I had never looked before. In fact, what I found most disconcerting was that my faith sometimes actively discouraged me from looking in certain directions. But my intent at that point was not to actively find reasons not to believe. It was actually quite the opposite. I believed in God and Jesus Christ, but I thought my narrow spyglass perspective of Christianity wasn’t sufficient. I wanted to increase the certainty of my belief, and in the process of doing so I unwittingly decreased it to the point of non-belief.

I want to use my experience and show you how you can examine your own beliefs in a similar way. If you care about holding true beliefs then I think there are some valuable tools here that you can use.

#1) NEVER EXEMPT ANY ONE BELIEF YOU HOLD FROM THE SAME CRITICISMS YOU APPLY TO OTHER BELIEFS.

The inverse is also good advice. Don’t defend your beliefs with reasoning that you don’t accept in relation to other beliefs. Almost every child of Christian parents is taught this backwards way of thinking. When they ask “If God made the universe, then where did God come from?”, they are given the response “God just is, and always will be.” This is certainly a question I asked at some point and obviously my young mind found the answer satisfactory since I continued to believe it for many years. This argument remains relatively identical even when discussed among adults; however, just with slightly more complex philosophical language. In fact, this argument has a specific name, called the Cosmological Argument. Christian apologist William Lane Craig uses the following form:

- Whatever begins to exist has a cause.

- The Universe began to exist.

- Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

From here he jumps to assuming that the cause of the universe must itself be un-caused. If whatever caused the universe to exist had a cause itself, then we create an infinite regress of causes that require causes. So what caused the universe? Well, an eternal, necessary, and perfect being called God of course. In apologetics this is called a presupposition. He jumps from requiring an un-caused cause to a god. He has exempted his god from the same criticism that he applies to the universe itself. Why insert a god at all? How does he know that the conditions required to spawn a universe could not have simply existed and been un-caused? Furthermore, scientists are relatively confident that time itself began with the big bang. What sense does it even make to claim that something existed before the universe that could cause the big bang if time itself did not exist yet? Before and after, cause and effect. These are all temporal concepts. What does it even mean to say that something existed before matter existed? Can something completely void of matter exist? If mister Craig and others who use the Cosmological Argument were consistent in their application of philosophical criticisms they would see that the only reasonable position to take is to admit that we are here, we exist, we’re not sure why, and we may never find out. From a young age I was told that our beliefs about God were special. That the normal rules don’t apply to God. I can’t use human logic to understand God. When people describe their beliefs about God as being “sacred” what they are really saying is that they should be exempt from criticism. But beliefs about God aren’t the only ones we can hold sacred. If you’ve ever talked to someone about any belief they hold who said “there’s nothing you can say to convince me I’m wrong”, then you are talking to someone who doesn’t care about whether their beliefs are true. Be open to criticisms and strive for a consistent application of logic and reason between all your beliefs.

#2) NEVER ATTEMPT TO BOLSTER YOUR BELIEFS BY ONLY SEEKING SOURCES THAT CONFIRM THEM.

This is called Confirmation Bias. Early on in my journey to increase my confidence in my religious beliefs I was absolutely guilty of practicing in confirmation bias. I wanted to believe that there was a God that cared about me and that I would get to see my family again when I died. I sought out theologians to help answer some of my most difficult questions, like why an all-powerful God would allow children to suffer and die, or why he would include verses in the Bible that detailed how you are allowed to beat your slaves as long as they don’t die within 24 hours. While many might have found their answers satisfactory, I did not

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It's quite a long post, so the complete post is here.
https://www.nairaland.com/5780709/belief-systems/8#90112065

Amoto94:
Oga Donjazet you sound condescending even when you're trying to make salient points though you may not like to admit you're arrogant

Who was i condescending to?

Stronger allegations coming out against trump

It seems this man really grabbed girls by their pussy_ .

larride:
Donjazet I found this in the archive, you should find it interesting. Enjoy.



http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Nigeria_Facts/MilitaryRule/Omoigui/NorthCounterCoup.htm

it's quite interesting but yet again, unsubstantiated and From a personal opinion.

The account suspects that Dr Azikiwe was tipped off on the impending coup but did not inform his counterparts but did not provide any evidence or backdrop to his outlandish claims.
These kind of stories were what was used in their propaganda machines that led to the genocide in other regions.

I only wish, we could somehow get to know the real truths about our history irrespective of how dirty and bloody it has been.

In other countries, after a certain period of time, the government declassifies all prior knowledge about it's history but trust our corrupt government to continue to hide these things for corrupt purposes.

Why is no one here talking about the receipts provided by anonymous on twitter against trump?

Don't forget that trump believed and supported this group when they posted the pizzagate conspiracy against Oprah and Obama.
The chickens have come home to roost.
So trump is a pedophile

Let's see how even his most fervent supporters twist this one.

BlueRayDick:
If all this is real, it's really a shame such creature made it to the most important seat in the world.

Indeed.

BlueRayDick:
It's not even a news....they are hacking government servers and releasing secret documents

Yea. They just posted further allegations.

BlueRayDick:
Anonymous trending on Twitter. Dem Don scatter everywhere with receipts of Trump's transgressions o

Wow!

Could this be real? Or is it fake news?

Chai!! I don go miss page 9000 even though na my matter make am reach so.

nihilistjnr:
Because unlike Donatus, I'm actually not trying to fight
I calm die. Na light tapping with Dona dey make am vex so?
Any small thing, he must vex....worse still, he will start blaming everyone else
Yesterday:
and
And now today:

Because I am a vampire, bit everybody's neck, and infected them with nihilist brand of corona, that makes people love me and hate donatus at the same time

The night is dark and full of terrors.

nihilistjnr:
Of course because you follow my account and I clicked follow back out of courtesy.

I've never interacted with you outside this thread. If it's a lie, prove me wrong. You're the one who follows me about everywhere.

But you know about my diary thread. You know when I post on Ashewo thread. You know my daddy has money. You know I like women,
You allegedly have my phone number. You allegedly have pictures of myself and my siblings on your phone
I literally dont know anything about you....but you know my life, perhaps even better than you know your own,
If I have a cult of personality, you are a deacon in my coven

K.