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afrodoc2:


Each time Don Jazzy called Nihilistjnr "Nigga_" i laughed scatter. The guy na real instigator. I don't know if it is a question of maturity or personality.

You are lieing. I didn't instigate this. He did, with his arrogance and condescension, you obviously haven't been seeing the subtle shades and insults, he has been using in his posts.

nihilistjnr:
That's why I said to hopefullandlord that he didnt know what was going on during this 'argument'
What does racism have to do with my father? Who told Donjazet that my father has money?
Where did I flaunt Daddy's money in anybody's face?
And even if may papa get money, na money he get, he no kill person(at least I hope so)
This is why I think I need to handsoff from Donatus matter..
I'm not ready for rofurofu today

Of course run away you fucking_moron.
Hide your face in ignominy.

I engaged you with an open mind, but no I am nihilist, I must be arrogant and condescending, its part of my life. You can never have an open argument with someone, you must find a way to turn it to a brawl.

Fly away you molested imbecile_.

nihilistjnr:
Nobody said you don't know what's going on in anywhere in the world
I didn't say it. None of the people with 'mild low self-esteem said such'
YOU were the the one who said that the people who live with white people don't understand racism.
It was YOU who said that a poor black man on the UK may not be aware of racism.
That's when we asked you, how can you in your village in Nigeria sit down and tell the people who live and deal with white people on a daily basis, say you understand racism more than them?
That's when we asked you, ok, how many white people do you interact with? You didn't answer
How many times have you personally experienced racism? No answer.

When I said i work with white people and have two mixed race yutes...you say it's showing off?
How is that showing off, then I'm telling you about my experience with race relations, and asking you to do the same?
Donatus, I hope you're not this blockheaded in real life. They say person wey no hear, go feel.
Maybe one day, you should sit down and ask yourself, why be say na only you people dey tackle when it comes to arguments here.

All I see here are meaningless long sentences without substance.

I tackled you on this issue of racism because your responses to this issue of racism showed how ill-informed and ignorant you are of this issue.

In essence you were blaming the black man for his suffering in the hands of his oppressors. You think that because your father has money and has shielded you from the absolute dangers of racism Every other black person out there who might not have family wealth to fall back on is also safe.

You said that the black people abroad are not doing enough for their communities. What steps have you and your father the Akinwade's done to help other black men in your immediate environment. Instead you come to nairaland and flaunt how you are enjoying the proceeds of corruption from lagos.

Nigga, you don't need to know where I work, sleep or live to know my opinions. But yes I can bet my balls that you are nowhere near me intellectually and academic achievement-wise and yes I do work with multi-nationals here in Lagos after being transferred from Abuja.
I am usually not the type to brag but you keep insisting on my personal info.

Talking about tackling, it is no hidden knowledge that you live to fight just on nairaland, you have sparred with almost everyone that matters here. Its what makes your day, simply because daddy's money sustains you. At least I like debating and learning from people here but you, you just cannot help but flaunt daddy's money. You need to have validation from people who you will never meet in life.

Your reputation on a faceless internet forum is what you live for. Nigga park one side abeg.
I believe we all have our fruitful lives to live outside this forum.
I derive joy from this forum because of the constant life lessons I learn here, better go drink ogi and calm down.

izzou:
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I remember a case back then between Lagos State Government and the people of Otodo-gbame. The LASG took their land and threw them out on a particular Easter Sunday. I think two people were killed in that incident
Ambode came out to say he knew nothing about it, and he was lashed online. As usual, the noise lingered and the case died
It was years later I found out through someone who was an insider that it wasn't Ambode that gave that order. The eviction was carried out by the Elegushi family. The court had just given declared them the rightful owners to Otodo-gbame. Coincidentally, the eviction came at a time when the LASG had disclosed that they wanted to destroy those shanties. I even confirmed it from a Nl diary(nap.tu2)

If you go online, you may not see any story indicting the Elegushi family. Na Ambode everybody dey blame

It's good to read and know. But never rule out the possibility of learning more from experience.
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How are you guys missing the logic of this argument? It's quite amusing.

There are various types of knowledge if to put it that way.
For instance, in your area of residence, you have local news, then you have state news, then you have national news, and lastly you have foreign/global news.

These are branches of knowledge. There are some information or knowledge that is peculiar, unique and confined to a particular locale. People far away from there might have no business with whatever is going on there.

However global issues like racism or religion are issues that no particular locale can lay claim too because of the broadness of the issues.

It's quite simple. I can't argue with you about what when on in your own house but I sure can argue with you what is going on in your country or continent.

Godx:
If Nigerians are allowed to own guns plenty people will die everyday.

As in ehh.

We can already see the mayhem cult boys and street boys inflict on our society with ordinary boris bullets.

Imagine that they have access to automatic weapons, na die be that.

The murder rate will increase tremendously no doubt about that.

Ibime:
The problem is not much more grander than that. Almost every race on this earth have been enslaved at some point from Hebrews to Barbarians, Britons, Gauls, Indians, Visigoths, Chinese etc etc. Racism is not a new phenomenon and will not go away.

The Romans enslaved and sold many Gauls, Visigoths and Barbarians. They are now called French, Spanish and Germans.
When you hold your side as a people, nobody will mess with you. When you are a beggar, people will trample all over your rights.

War and enslavement have always been a staple feature of mankind.
There is no part of human society that can claim to be untouched by war.

However, racism is a concept that was introduced in the age of enlightenment.
After all the concept of "race" was introduced by science.

Today we are still suffering a legacy of about 4 centuries of racial ideologies.

How do you propose a simple solution to a problem that affects more than 25% percent of the entire human population spread across all continents.

The only real hope to racism is TIME.
one can only hope that with time, more people will shed those beliefs to which they have been indoctrinated into.

seankafor:
lol you re using a different type of analogy all together.

Do you know that someone in America can tell you in Nigeria the root cause of corruption in the system?
Do you know I in Nigeria can lectur someone in UK the root cause of racism,how it first started, how it has been a cankerworm,and possible ways to curb it.

You might be experiencing these things first hand, but it doesn't give you the monopoly of all round knowledge about them than someone out there who gets his facts and research right.
Do you know that I might have a contact of people in top heirachys who I exchange knowledge with and gets my facts and figures right coupled with deep research and findings,then lecture you on what you claim you know and experience everyday?
Do you know you might be using an iPhone for a year and still not know tweaks and ways around them, but with what I have gained knowledge of virtually or otherwise, I can show you around on some tweaks and ways around that your iPhone which you think you use everyday.

Like am from imo state and have been here for years, doesn't mean I know the history of imo state, or the underground political undertones that takes place here.
Someone in Abuja might know what happens in my state than me..

Even in my school, I might be going to school everyday,for 5 years, irrespective that I get to experience cultism and activities everyday,yet I might not know that the root cause of cultism in my university is because of the days of wole Soyinka freedom fighting cults..( lol I don't even know these things.)

Stop brushing someone aside because he doesn't live in same place with you,so you think his opinion or findings doesn't hold water...
It sounds more like cyber bullying

Succinctly put.
It is very funny in this era, the 21st century, seeing people who still think information can still be limited by distance and time.

All I see nihilist doing is trying to foolishly showoff, everybody here knows he likes to do that.
People who are supporting him on this issue might be having mild inferiority complex and not know it.

It is not everybody that is living abroad that is an intellect.

nihilistjnr:
Nonsense.
As a black person in Western society, your entire life is an exercise in race relations.
It's the height of ediocy to sit in Nigeria and claim to know more about race relations, than the people who wake up, enter public transport with different races, buy stuff from different races at the shops, work alongside different races at their place of employment, and maybe even go back home to a non-black partner.

For once, accept that you are not well fortified with enlightenment on a particular issue.

You presented a garbage solution to a problem despite claiming to experience it.

You kept thinking that money would solve the problem, when the problem is much grander than that.

You continued to bring up issues in the UK alone as a counter point to racism and I gave you a much broader scope on it. I made you see that racism is a problem that occurs all over the world in different shapes, forms and sizes.

You presenting only UK solutions exposed your limitations to on the subject matter, but trust you to do strong head and never agree.
Nigga stop to dey Shalaye joor. I'm tired of this useless back and forth.

nihilistjnr:
Donjazet is actually arguing that the knowledge of race relations he gained from browsing the internet in Nigeria is superior to the life experiences of those people who have to deal with other races daily.

That's the bit that really bust my head

It's not even like he's trying to provide a different perspective. It's him saying the people who live this life dont understand it...but he does

What sort of rubbish is this? Did you even read and understand the posts I made towards the issue here or is your brain to daft to absorb information?

While most of you were just talking about racism and you personally were trying to diminish it's scourge on society, I provided both the historical context and the global scale of the problem in my posts below.

donjazet:
1. They believed that the black man did not completely evolve as a human, that there was just little difference between the primates( gorilla, apes and monkeys) to the black man. As a matter of fact, they put the black man in same cages as the gorillas and apes in exhibition zoos for the whites and their children to observe.
2. They believed that the black man's brain was smaller than the white man's.
3. They believed that the white man was intellectually superior to the black man.
For a long time, many didn't think that the black man could learn how to read and write.
4. They believed that the black man's physiological makeup was much stronger than the white man's, that his bones and muscles were the strongest of the races just like the gorillas hence he was best suited to the farms and plantations as a beast of burden.

Of course, with such racial beliefs firmly rooted in their minds, it inevitably reflected in the social strata of society. With the black man seen as closer to an animal, they were denied basic Human Rights or value which I would also outline.

For a long time, inter-racial copulation was viewed as bestiality.
Inter-racial marriage was viewed as a societal abomination since the black man was not just seen as an animal but also as just property.

Now I have elucidated the kind of society a black person lived in for centuries. We both know how hard it is for such endemic beliefs which held sway for centuries to be shed. Such beliefs were passed down from generations to generations.

donjazet:
First of all, what is RACISM;
Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another


When we talk of racism, you begin to list other lesser forms of human problems like Nazism, anti-semitism or even common independence struggles found in small pockets around the globe.

Racism is a belief system that took hold around the entire world for centuries, it was not limited to a region, country or even continents.

A black person is treated differently in many South American countries like Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela etc.
A black person is treated differently in America and Canada.
A black person is treated differently even in his native African continent, cue in South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe etc.
A black person is treated differently in asia, like in China, Japan, Malaysia etc.
A black person is treated differently in Europe, like in Russia, Germany, many Eastern European countries etc.
RACISM IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

I also gave a better solution than yours because your narrow mind limited racism as a regional issue rather than a global one.

donjazet:
The solution to the problem is continuous sensitization and awareness towards the issue. To be able to continue the global campaign on the dangers of racism.

We already have numerous black people in positions of power on a global stage. Spread across many countries in all continents. And also in the UN and other reputable international bodies.

As I said yesterday, African countries need to rise up too. Because racists look upon the plight of African countries and it reinforces their beliefs that the black man is incapable of self rule and basic organisation.
African countries need to unite. Racism affects the entire black race that makes up up-to 25% of the global population.
African countries need to unite and have one voice internationally for us to see the back of racism once and for all.

The African continent has the highest amount of natural resources on our soil, there you have your incentive and leverage. other people need us, we simply need to speak with one voice.

Please, you need to broaden your horizon and deeply understand this global menace called racism.

So you can see how you are spewing garbage when you say I didn't present a new perspective on the issue here when infact I did present a more indepth analysis on the issue.
My guy go rest joor.

hopefulLandlord:
Both Donjazet and Nihilistjnr have good points. It doesn't always have to be one or the other. Yes! living in a place where there is racism doesn't mean you know it on a global level just like experiencing it isn't the same as reading about it. I think this is the kind of argument that would go on and on till one party gets tired

Aptly summed. I rest my case here.

afrodoc2:
That logo no sabi anything. If that one open book to read e go get migraine.

Don jazzy reads, just that he doesn’t appreciate the limits of his studies.
Abi which one be black guys that are so poor and uneducated that they don’t appreciate racism?

An illiterate here in Nigeria will likely not know all the 36 states and capital, but a British citizen who has studied about Nigeria would easily reel it off.
Likewise an illiterate in America who will not know the 50 states and capital but I have known this since my secondary school.

Acquiring knowledge is about interest and dedication, you should know this.

Everybody is just saying Donjazet is rigid or doesn't acquiesce to other peoples opinions but none have actually countered my stance on racism because I am right on it. Before I go into a particular argument, I am sure that I am well versed in it.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]A guy attends the University of Lagos, did his predegree program, started his degree program too, and is going for his Master's in the same university

Then imagine his friend in Dunukofia Local government of Anambra state telling him about what he knows in Unilag, and he thinks he knows nothing because his opinions are different from what he(the friend) read on the internet and books.

Sincerely Donjazet, this is how you sound.[/color]

This doesn't relate to the issue here, you are comparing apples and oranges.

For better context, your argument sounds like you are saying students in unilag will be have a better hold on Nigerian politics than someone that stays in dunukofia LGA.
You see how that doesn't make sense.
Nigerian politics is not confined to the University of lagos, it is a national issue.

Sameway, racism is a global issue not confined to only those in the UK.

As a matter of fact, go back some pages and see their replies when I asked them to state their individual racism experience, some were affected by it and some weren't. That you are in the UK doesn't automatically qualify you to be well versed on racism. That's an archaic thinking.

nihilistjnr:
This kind statement can only come out the mouth of a Nigerian who thinks he knows more about the UK, than the people who live there.
Ah an!
This guy you have a serious problem, you just don't know it.

Nigga_, stop being arrogant and ignorant for the sake of it
Racism is not confined to the U.K alone. It is a global issue, stop sounding like every single person who is abroad is well versed on the issue of racism. Someone far who has invested enough time in studying deeper aspects of it will be very knowledgeable on the issue. Stop being shallow.

Secondly, indeed someone can be distant from a place and still have better information than some people staying there, it's down to the individual preference to know about the place in question.

For better context, take a cricket fan in the UK and a fervent football fan in Africa, if the African has been following EPL football for decades, knowing the glory days of Liverpool and all, and chats up the cricket fan who stays in the UK, the African guy is bound to know more than the UK guy on football related matters seeing as he has had zero interest in football.
So remove your head from your ass and stop being ignorant and arrogant, it looks terrible on you. We live in a world where you can easily get information seeked.

hardeycute:
DonJ, you need to always calm your nerves abeg. No price for anyone for winning arguments here on NL.

I don't argue just for winning sake. I do think we debate here in order to impact knowledge on each other. You give me your opinion and i give you mine.

If we can't agree on issues, we agree to disagree. No need for pettiness or tense emotions.

Ibime:
Guy, reading about the history of racism and living in the midst of those who are supposed to be racist are not the same thing.

Wetin Nihilist dey tell you be say you read too much and take what you read too literally. Don't think you are the only one to read up on the subject.

I respectfully disagree with the bolded.
there are some black illiterates or poor black people born in the UK who might be completely oblivious to the issue of racism. They might be experiencing forms of racism without knowing about it.

Or on the other hand, some very wealthy black people in the UK who may have heard of it but are privileged not to have experienced it by virtue of wealth and privilege.

I think I get the sense of the point you are making sha, that people experiencing it there are expected to have more knowledge on the issue, but nihilist's response and opinions on the issue points to the contrary and that's why I addressed him directly on this.

nihilistjnr:
I no even get time to follow am argue.

The guy thinks racism is something you read in a book.

Nigga_, I'm quite surprised and disappointed with this your line of thought.

Are you trying to say for instance, that one cannot have an opinion on American politics if the person doesn't live there??

It's almost the same as saying one cannot have opinions about European football or issues if you haven't actually been there live!
Such shallowness and arrogance
All I'm seeing is a poor attempt at show off or something.
Nigga_ this is the 21st century where there are readily available sources of information. No information is constrained by distance or time.
I'm really surprised and disappointed by your reasoning here.

Ibime:
DonJ blood too dey hot recently

I no come understand my guy nihilist oo. I point out him error towards the racism matter, him begin dey yarn me lagos, no lagos matter

Abi na only lagos people dey go school, dey read book?

As a matter of fact sef, na the lagos I actually dey stay now. Simple look at my profile go show you.

nihilistjnr:


This is actually hilarious.

Take it as you will.. We agree to disagree.

Amoto94:
It has everything to do with it

Then justify your statement. You can't just make such fallacious statement and leave it vague.

Offer proof of your statement.
How is the theory of evolution linked to racism?

nihilistjnr:
Nah what you are is arrogant bruv.
I first stepped foot in UK in 1999, and have been resident here since 2006. I'm usually the only black guy in the room at work. My wife is white and I have two mixed race kids.
It's so weird to read you telling me that I did not understand racism, but you do, because you read about it.

Bruv you don't even live in Lagos.

What the fuck_ does living in lagos have to do with anything?
Knowledge has nothing to do with country of origin or residence my friend.

There are some black people who were even born there who are oblivious to the issue of racism. Most especially individuals who have been shielded from the pangs of racism.

You are the arrogant fellow who cannot dare to accept his limitation on a subject matter.

Amoto94:
You can't support the theory of evolution and natural selection and complain about racism because those who are racist towards others justify their claims with these theories. Racialism has always been in existent right from the beginning of creation but it became heightened since Charles Darwin came with his theory and it was used as a tool to justify the oppression of blacks and other races (though I don't categorized humans into races I'm using the world race for conventional reason).

That is false. Evolution has nothing to do with racism.

nihilistjnr:
You dey Naija dey tell me say me wey don dey UK over 10 years no understand racism?

It's not by country of residence, I have stated already that you are a smart guy but obviously you haven't really studied the problem of racism else you wouldn't give such vague opinion.

nihilistjnr:
I've never implied that lobbying alone is the answer to oppression.

The point which I'm trying to make here is that political access is strongly required to effect change...and that level of access has to be purchased...it will not be given to you on the basis of a high quality shalaye, or the loudness of your noisemaking.

Fam, what I'm telling you is that money talks. That's my main argument. Anything else is really superfluous and tangential to my point

My frustration with you on this racism issue is how you are seriously underscoring the problem.
You can't give solutions to a problem if you do not fully understand the scope of the problem.

Your arguments skews the narrative to look like money alone will solve the problem which exposes a flawed taught process towards racism seeing as it is a global issue.

First of all, what is RACISM;
Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another

I really need you to look at the bolded and deeply understand it.

Sociologists have listed racism as the greatest single social aberration in the history of human society/humankind.

When we talk of racism, you begin to list other lesser forms of human problems like Nazism, anti-semitism or even common independence struggles found in small pockets around the globe.

Racism is a belief system that took hold around the entire world for centuries, it was not limited to a region, country or even continents.

You have a situation whereby other races saw a person with black skin as having a stunted mental capacity, as being unable to harbour feelings or emotions.

Till today, you have a common situation in different countries where you have 5 people of different races with same qualifications go for a job and the black person is the least favorite because the employee genuinely believes that the black person lacks the same mental acuity as the people of other races.

Nihilist, you are a smart guy, there is no doubt about that, but you limiting the racism issue to a problem which only money and power(whatever that means here) displays the very limited scope you have on RACISM. you really need to study it up.

A black person is treated differently in many South American countries like Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela etc.

A black person is treated differently in America and Canada.
A black person is treated differently even in his native African continent, cue in South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe etc.
A black person is treated differently in asia, like in China, Japan, Malaysia etc.
A black person is treated differently in Europe, like in Russia, Germany, many Eastern European countries etc.

RACISM IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

The black race is seen as inferior to all other races because this beliefs were taught and believed for a very very long time. I say again you do racism a great injustice when you compare it will other smaller social problems.
You don't see people killing Chinese or Indians simply because of their skin color.

What makes racism unique to others is that it is a global belief system.
The only belief system that can compare with racism in terms of scale is religion.

Both of us are atheists who do not believe in any particular religion so I reckon you can understand how difficult it is when you try to make other people shed beliefs that they have held dear all their lives. Beliefs shared by their parents and ancestors and their immediate society.

The stronghold that religion had was the same with the stronghold that racists ideology and beliefs also had for centuries.

The solution to the problem is continuous sensitization and awareness towards the issue. To be able to continue the global campaign on the dangers of racism.

We already have numerous black people in positions of power on a global stage. Spread across many countries in all continents. And also in the UN and other reputable international bodies.

As I said yesterday, African countries need to rise up too. Because racists look upon the plight of African countries and it reinforces their beliefs that the black man is incapable of self rule and basic organisation.
African countries need to unite. Racism affects the entire black race that makes up up-to 25% of the global population.
African countries need to unite and have one voice internationally for us to see the back of racism once and for all.

The African continent has the highest amount of natural resources on our soil, there you have your incentive and leverage. other people need us, we simply need to speak with one voice.

Please, you need to broaden your horizon and deeply understand this global menace called racism.

Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another

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Buhari seems to be a man of integrity, but he continues to surround himself with corrupt individuals.

I had thought that as a military general, he would be strong enough to fight the cabal.
Quite disappointed though.

Righteousness89:
[i]MY Lord! MY GOD!
What Exactly is Happening to our world...
Sodom and Gomorrah will Stand up against Us ooo..
I don't think theirs was as This!
LORD JESUS HAVE MERCY!
The days are becoming more Dangerous Everyday!
And the Worst of all is for us to Leave this Earth without JESUS CHRIST..
Have Mercy O LORD
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You have a become a menace on this forum.
Why are you spamming all the threads seeking attention?

Every single thread on nairaland, you must show face typing rubbish!

It has become difficult to ignore your stupidity, abeg shift.

That's why i always argue against Africans holding their culture dear to their hearts. Many cultures are just filled with superstitious archaic acts.
We need to dump them and think critically.

Ibime:
The way Jack Dorsey sub am for the bottom of that tweet sha

It's really a good thing, someone is now fact checking him. The man believes and shares conspiracy theories that are unfounded and many illiterates suck it up.

The worst president the United States have had in a long time.

Godx:
A Police station was burnt to the ground. It was about time for a more violent approach. Those racist pigs need to be taught a lesson.

For the first time, both of us agree on the same thing.

I think that more aggression can make their voices heard better. Enough of the bullshit "peaceful" process. They have to literally fight for it now.

eph12:
As at that time or even now, how many northerners are in any position in the east?

How is it the fault of the easterners that they weren't fully educated or business inclined?

They refused to be enlightened despite the fact that the cruel pangs of colonialism didn't really affect them as much as other regions.

What the igbo have always done best is that they travel far and wide, seek out an opportunity that will benefit both you and him and make money from it.
That shouldn't make anyone scared.

PS; I wouldn't be reply further to anything pertaining this subject matter, it has been made obvious here, people will always be offended by the issue.

eph12:
He was talking about his own side which is the northern area. He raised concern about Igbos dominating in northern region as at that time

You guys keep drawing me back to this issue, fine I'll explain it further.

First of all, the question the reporter asks is this; "people have said you have a sort of OBSESSION towards the IGBOS, what do have to say to that?

The sarduana's words were exactly the point i was making. Here you can see a regional leader feeling threatened because of the financial success of the igbos. His suspicion even led him to say he will prefer to hire outsiders first before considering his fellow Nigerian.

In his own words he says "if an igbo man goes to any land, he wants to monopolize everything" how else would you interpret that? It was obvious that he was scared of their success and felt threatened.

The reporter even asked him if he was aware such a stance will be damaging to the unity of the country to which he answered YES.

You guys are just twisting facts to suit your narratives. His objectives there were crystal clear.