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CAPdan21:
2) Your point about creation just shows your ignorance...if you really knew the account of creation you were quoting you would have seen that it is stated that God created the moon and sun(LIGHTS) to separate night from the day....day and night is not dependent on the presence of the sun and moon
3) There are more loop holes in theory of evolution than there are in a basket...if evolution is valid as you claim why have we stopped evolving??..abi is human form our peak from and why??...if no, when is the timeline for our next evolution??...what about the apes living now, did they curse them from evolving too??

You are talking pure rubbish, please I like to argue with intelligent people.
It seems you don't even know your Bible.

The people that wrote that creation story obviously didn't know about the rotation of the earth until Galileo came along. They also had no idea about photosynthesis else how would plant and trees have grown without the sun
For better clarification, let me post the parts of the Bible creation.

On the first day;
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Genesis 1:3–5)

Both of us know that the source of light on earth is from the rays of the sun, so what light is being described here?

Now on the 4th day;
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. (Genesis 1:14–19)

As I said earlier, I believe you know that why we have the concept of day and night is because the earth rotates along its axis every 24 hours and the part facing the sun is brighter(day) while the part away from the sun is darker (night). So how the fuck_ was there day and night on the first day if the sun was created on the 4th day

Don't forget that on the third day, God created vegetation of the earth, today both of us know plants grow through photosynthesis. Capturing light from the sun, so how could there have been trees and plants without the sun

Moreso, as I told you previously, there are numerous creation stories, the Yoruba's believe that obatala poured sand from his pouch and the land was filled soil for planting. I have told you of Hindu monks who believe the world originated from the navel of a snake.
Give me a good reason to believe yours.
I have told you that scientific theories are subject to change. Right now the theory of evolution is widely accepted because more evidence supports this however nobody will force you to believe it and more so the theory is both being improved and disproved by different scientists.
Nobody will be offended if you don't believe evolution but I bet you are angry I don't believe that your "God" created the earth. His creation story no gel at all.
Nobody can lay claim to the knowledge of creation right now, that's a fact my friend. Only in time, can we have that answer.

raumdeuter:
So another proof of voodoo turned out to be a sham just like many before it

TOUGH

Right now, I'm holding a juju in my hand. One that after pressing random numbers as my incantation on this my juju, I will be able to see and speak to someone far far away from me also using the juju
If you ask me for proof of it, I can narrate the whole procedures that was used in making my juju so that you too can see it and use it yourself.
Such a spectacular juju I am using doesn't need my mother's pant or my father's head for it to perform its magic, I don't know why I would ask you to prove your own juju and you start telling me rubbish.

If you can't provide good evidence for juju, know that you are backwards in your reasoning.

FBS:
Science is mainly in the business of observing, experimenting, monitoring and discovery, it does not necessarily "create". It mainly discovers what already exists.

Scientists though interpret these discoveries, evidence and make them law and in some cases, with a truck load of assumptions.

Science does not have the scope to disprove God.

The Bible on the other hand reveals the nature, character and work of God. He is infinite, incomparable and unchanging with all power and authority.

Science can't prove or disprove love, shame, guilt or any other feeling for that matter. Why? because that's a metaphysical part of your life. You cannot touch your feelings and as your metaphysical state affects your physical self is the reason why thinking in a certain way can lead to depression or elation.

There is a Higher Being, who is greater than you and I. A Supreme Being who exists beyond our concept of time and space, who is able to create at will. Colossians 1:16 says "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him."

We as human beings have answers to a lot of things, but do we have answers to all things? The answer is No.

I do not claim to know anything, but I do know that there is God. You only need to experience him. As John 4:24 says, God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Your first paragraph seemed very reasonable but you went downhill from there pretty fast.

First of all, Science is not a person, or a political organisation or a belief system.
Science simply means acquisition of knowledge through study and practice.
The study of nature and how it's component bodies interact.
Simply put science means knowledge. That's why it has thousands of branches, because so far as you are studying and gaining knowledge of any natural component, you are a scientist.

You are attempting to combine science and religion and that is just so preposterous.

Religion is a BELIEF SYSTEM that claims to have the answers already and set fixed moral standards and etiquette for living and most importantly tells you never to doubt the knowledge being presented while science is simply acquiring further knowledge and challenging the premises of religion that tells you to have faith and never doubt what you are being told.

What makes this soo dangerous is that there are a lot of different religions with different contradictory beliefs and standards.

You as a Christian adherent believe that the entire universe was created in 6 days. A Buddhist monk who has different Gods believe that the origin God Brahma came from the navel of a snake, An igbo traditional worshipper believes that man fell from the sky and so many more different varieties of origin story.

WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE THAT YOUR OWN VERSION OF CREATION STORY IS BETTER THAN OTHERS.

Already scientists have punched a lot of holes in the Christian creation story.
God created the sun and the moon on the fourth day but created day and night on the second day how

Because of the limitations of the knowledge of those who wrote the bible, they didn't know of the numerous other planets out there, so they used the concept of time on earth for the creation story. A day on earth is about 14 days on another planet, so meaning that for other planets, it took God half a day to create the whole universe abi? You can see the shallowness of the Christian creation story and there are much more.

Meanwhile science presents a more logical THEORY. That of evolution.
It shows that the earth and man underwent great tremendous changes over billions of years to form and be what we are now. Discovered fossils and carbon dating are supporting this theory.

If you ask me I know which is more reasonable and logical between the two.
And moreso the beauty of science is that the current belief is subject to change and challenge, unlike that of religion that will punish you for even thinking of challenging it's story.

Science will continue to unravel the current mysteries of the universe but you must open your mind to learning and seeking new knowledge not confining yourself to an anachronistic mindset.

Ibime:
Guy we were playing computer games, running in the bush, climbing trees, playing table tennis and counterball and swimming in Ipukulu river through primary and junior secondary. I guarantee I'm not in touch with any of the niggas I did the above things with for neighbourhood. My last trip to Naija in 2014, I gave one of those niggas £200 to share with his brother, next thing I know his mum was calling me within few minutes asking me to remember her and add her own. When I came back to UK na so my phone dey flash with their missed calls upandan.

The man never said he did anything with Kelechi pass this. If he had said how he was visiting Kelechi and helping him when Kelechi was in academy, then he could have a point.
As of when Kelechi was hustling to enter Under-17, this man has already lost touch a long time ago.

You can't make assumptions about their relationship.
You can only judge from the story you have seen, and the description given shows one of very close young Friends.

He even has a picture of themselves playing together. So most likely they knew themselves.

I usually don't comment on topics like this because hearing from only one side is bound to give you a lopsided judgement.

However it's quite troubling seeing many easily condemn the friend. It displays a total lack of empathy and love towards people in your lives. It exposes a mindset that is predisposed to a tit for tat mentality, which means that you can only consider one a friend for as long as the person is useful to you.

Whatever you have and wherever you may be is possible because of both people you know, people you just met and a stroke of luck along the way. That you would abandon the friends you have known after finding success is bad.

The truth is, when an individual becomes successful, a lot of people both far and near begin to hope and depend on the individual and this can be overwhelming, trust me, and that most at times, makes the individual shut his heart to everyone including people who might have been of value to your life previously. This is most likely the case here for the friend.
But that people would easily condemn this friend is quite painful to see.

ToyinDipo:
It's not about saving lives or not, science has actually being saving and killing lives on a large scale, someone can say juju does the same

Gravitational theory isn't 100 percent accurate, fact!

Scientists have proven space time curvature, perhaps you should update yourself on it.

The evolution of atomic theories is part of why I called science partial scam, there were many theories before Rutherford or Neil gave the current atomic structure theory, not sure if that has already been debunked. Science will just tell you something, even if you don't understand it, you just believe it, or how many of the science you believe, you genuinely understand

As far as I am concerned, science is a partial scam, and it also has a lot of evil attached to it.

If you think science is a scam, then why are you enjoying it's benefits and derivatives??

Why are you using a phone?
Why do you use a car?

Why do you live in a house made from refined cement, steel beams, refined aluminum etc rather than clay thatched houses roofed with palmfronds?

Don't be deluded.
Science is completely apolitical. If you make a ground breaking discovery and prove it, you will be famous overnight and scientists will rally around you and improve on it.

That there are constant improvements and modifications around scientific THEORIES, doesn't mean science is a scam.
As a matter of fact, what do you define as science?

Segedinho:
So have i rejected any form of Education from you

Did i refute there is a force responsible for the downwards movement of objects(termed gravity)

At the bolded,this is why tings fall xownego earth right??na wah

Can't understand that.

Segedinho:
Does mathematical formula proove anything??

Hasn't it been in existence before they postulated a formula

So you want me to believe it is mathematical formulae that prevents a mango fruit from falling upward
To worsen it is u accepted it even without knowing the source,or why it is absent in space.
But you want me to bring prove of voodoo and also termed it false because some critical thinkers couldnt ascribe a formula for it?
If you can't bring the source of gravity or rather feel/see it..you are just probably babbling
Thanks

I'm sorry to say this, but you are sounding like an illiterate.
You are no different from those Islamic terrorists that would urge people to refuse western education, but will be driving in western cars using western bombs and guns.
If I remember correctly, gravitational force is created as a result of the speed of the earth's rotation.
You sound like someone who ditched his classes in secondary school but rather than ask ignorant questions, why don't you go to YouTube and further enlighten yourself.

Science laws are not guess works. In secondary school we were all thought it's three major branches, biology, chemistry and physics. Go and read up my friend.

hopefulLandlord:
Atheists ruined his career. He'd been posting lots of his fetish nonsense and we didn't care enough about his rubbish to challenge him. that was until he made a fatal mistake. he posted "proof" of his spiritual powers working by making a video of him driving a car while invisible here https://www.nairaland.com/3873563/invisibility-spell-charm-live-demonstration
That was when he got challenged and he never recovered from it.

he tried salvaging his dwindling career by uploading another video months later. this time it was him levitating a red carton or something here https://www.nairaland.com/4128875/levitation-float-mid-air-live

Atheists once again got on his neck and called him a fraud and a trickster.


Now if you go to his profile and check out his posts you'd notice some hidden posts. that was when his career was finally killed and buried by an atheist called Hahn. I can't remember the topic now but there was an argument between him and some atheists then he tried silencing them by threatening to make some evil befall them. he challenged me to drop my full name, picture too and see what would happen to me. I refused to drop my name, not out of fear rather I felt if he claims to have "third eye" like he did here https://www.nairaland.com/4133134/third-eye-how-activate-third#61687089 then he shouldn't be asking for my name. he would know it regardless. we had a little back and forth until Hahn came in and posted his full name, his Facebook account and some other details then told him to make evil befall him. Good things started happening to Hahn instead.

My recollection might be a bit off but that's generally what happened give or take

Hopeful landlord my man Wetin carry you come Chelsea thread once you hear religion for nairaland, you go just land there.

ToyinDipo:
I am not sure there is enough convincing evidence of Newtonian gravitational field, didn't Einstein also proffer his space-time curvature theory, a bit of counter, all these scientists will just give us one theory, that in our minds we can't prove, yet we believe it, another scientist will emerge and disprove an already believed theory, and we believe the new one too.
Science to me is a scam to an extent.

Science is evolutionary in nature, it is not static and that is it's beauty. Nobody has an autonomy over science. If someone makes a discovery, proves it and makes practical applications, others rally around it and improve upon it.

All the elements in the periodic table were discovered by numerous individuals over centuries.
You can't call science a scam because you can see and use it's practical applications.

I mean you live in a world where you have man made satellites in orbit, you have men who have punched above the sky and live in space you have a device that enables you to seamlessly connect with others millions of miles away.

If a human being from the 1700's came to this present day, he would think he is witnessing magic all around him.
To get there took years of evolutionary science, man is looking to dominate the universe.
I really hope I have enlightened you further.

Ibime:
I hope you know there are mathematical formulas for this, that can tell you the Gravitational force of an object.

For example Earths gravitational force is 9.8m/s2. That means anything you drop will observe more or less that acceleration.

And you can test and affirm this thousands of times and still arrive around that 9.8 figure for acceleration/gravitational pull. When will JuJu pass this level of scrutiny for us to verify?

You also have a Gravitational force formula, F = GMm/r2 which has again been proven over multiple experiments and which shows why you have no gravity in space due to it's distance from earth, being r in the above formula.

Someone calculated all these, even calculated a linear velocity for satellite launch that will ensure gravity acting on it will keep it in a circular motion around earth forever . . . the satellite then provide data to your phone to allow you type on Nairaland to compare proof of the existence of gravity to the proof of the existence of JuJu!

You typing on your phone right now is proof of the existence of gravity.

Thank you so much my brother. I confuse come tire for him matter.
He said he believes in gravity yet is unsure about it I have given him practical applications for the uses of gravitational forces yet he is going around in circles.

GM.

Anyways, I'm retiring to bed, we could pick up tomorrow.

Segedinho:
Yes not because they call it gravity,

I believe in supernatural/unepxplainably concept of God's creation that could nekt one's brain should you even make an attempt to ubderstand it.

Covid 19 is not in the bible but named for identification purpose likewise gravity.

A lot of errors in your post. Please modify it for me to understand it well.

nitrogen:
Lol, I dont doubt gravity. But, just provide evidence na

As I have stated, I am not a physicist but I could I could give you video guides that would enable you learn from world renowned scientists about gravity and eliminate your doubt.

Go to YouTube and self educate yourself on gravitational force, it's observable and quantifiable qualities and it's practical applications.

nitrogen:
Don Jazzy wan enter another one chance o, biko, please we need video evidence o, and answers to the other questions.

Proof of what? Do you doubt gravity or not? Because if you do, you don't deserve to own a smart phone.

Secondly, I am not a physicist but I could I could give you video guides that would enable you learn from world renowned scientists about gravity and eliminate your doubt.

Segedinho:
You observe/see sumtin falling downward instead of upward isnt a true reflections of what it is since it is inexplicable.

Someone said something about ghost and you talked about an induced hallucination by the brain,so why cant you in thesame stance explain why things tends to come down on earth

So why is there gravity on earth but not in the space
What is responsible for this defect
What is the source of gravity?
These are my questions in summary
You cant just accept gravity cos of its definition and name can you?
Let forget what we were taught in jss afterall we did crs in same classes but as we grow,we tend to think critically like u opined.

Thanks

Answer my question first, do you doubt there is a force that pulls you to the earth's magnetic field called gravity, yes or no?

Segedinho:
Why can't you prove gravity since as an atheist,you tend to accept a verifiable fact


Of what use is your critical thinking if you can't attribute any visible force seen/felt associated with gravity yet you accept it just like that..."

What the fuck_ do you mean by proof of gravity? I already told you it is observable.
if you throw an object into space, it floats away but in the earth, ask yourself why you are not floating around aimlessly.


The force of gravity is factored into basic physics equations and formulae.

Practical aspects of it is used in rocket technology, GPS satellites and so on.
Please go back to your elementary physics, you can't expect me to lecture you on basic physics. Or else you are telling me that you don't believe in the sciences you studied.

DCatt:
US veteran affairs secretary Robert Wilkie said VA uses 42,000 doses of Hydroxy chloroquine every day, he also said that the data the media is talking about is fake and not form them.

Watch 1 min of 1st video from 1.30 - 2.30 min mark to hear from the horse's mouth.

United Kingdom is giving 40,000 Hydroxy chloroquine to its people.

Costa Rica uses Hydroxy chloroquine with great results

Brazil is also using Hydroxy chloroquine

Yet the media is against this medicine even after France, Italy and Spain swear by it.

Is deepstate against Hydroxy chloroquine because it will kill them if they inject the blood of anyone with the drug in it because of the adrenochrome in their system? Or is it because it decalcifies pineal glands and redpill people? The deepstate eat human pineal glands and don't want anything to tamper with their favorite snacks.

You are a sick bastard!!!!! There is no way I share this earth with someone who is as stupid as you are
I mean, could you really be this stupid or are you just playing dangerous games as an internet troll

Segedinho:
So n verifiable explanation for gravity concept


U fall my hand baba

I am trying to simply understand your question.

You do realize that everything around you was named by someone else right?
Gravity is defined as the force that pulls all objects towards the earth's magnetic core.

You can't be serious by asking me to prove gravity.
It is observable for all to see, gravity is the reason we are not just floating around, the force pulls us to the ground.

The absence of gravity in the earth's orbit is the reason why objects float in space.

I mean this is basic physics we learnt in ss1.

Expert17:
But there is nothing GOD cannot do??

So by now you should know that, there are rules guiding the universe.
Same way God ( that can do all things ) wont make you richer than Dangote just by praying, thats the same way Juju wont just do everything

Can God wipe away human suffering?
If he can why has he not?
God carried out mass genocide on mankind because they were sinful and saved only Noah and his family right?

Why did he do this despite knowing it was not going to solve the problem?
So he just murdered billions of people for nothing abi?

Nashoji and ucsquare

airmark:
Thats why nobody should take you serious when you ask for evidence. You had already made up your mind to be blind to anything.

I am simply asking for a strong proof that will clear my doubt. Not hearsay.

nitrogen:
Yeah, circus show like the one below even though people saw a vehicle drop the lady. Okay, why would someone just drop the innocent lady somewhere within the city and not outside? Simple, maybe it's part of the whole arrangement. Make sure you drop the package where everyone can see it.

Whatever sha, what I can say is these thing are real, maybe not all.

https://youtu.b

This is the problem we're talking about, someone who was most likely a victim of kidnappers, torture or rape was easily tagged a victim of yahoo.

If I ask you now to prove how she is a victim of ritual, you will run away. The person did not even talk, it is other ignorant people that labelled her a ritual victim.
Bring hard core proof of juju not this nonsense. We already know ritualists exist, we are asking for proof of the efficacy of their motive.

airmark:
Go and ask Taribo the limitations of the juju. Don't ask me.

both you and pastor taribo west are ignorant fellows who believe in superstitions and who refuse to be enlightened.

airmark:
Forget story. Take your research to local football teams in Naija, if they open the can of worms for you, you wont be arguing on what you don't know.

So why can't these our Nigerian local football teams provide juju for us to qualify and win afcon? Not even worldcup oo.
Why is it only working among themselves?

Segedinho:
I asked a question about gravity

Seems you are running away from it

I tried hard to understand the question but I couldn't.

airmark:
Everything is hearsay when no video or circus show when video is supplied. I just want one of chic2pimp or donjazet to make himself available for hit n chop grass amulet.

Taribo said it, they didnt believe.

So why couldn't any of the African countries use their juju and win the World Cup? Abi the juju no get effect internationally?

airmark:
Maybe that finger found on her soup was dropped by her enemy to spoil her business.

Let's give reasons to cover up for the madam.
Meanwhile exceptional talents like Messi, will last long, compared to juju-boosted one.

How do you know this? Have you done the two and compared and contrasted both?
You can't just be making such outrageous claims.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Video evidence, please?[/color]

Indeed, enough of all these unsubstantiated claims of I saw these and that. All these regurgitated stories only stoke further the flames of ignorance.

Segedinho:
And if the facts are beyond mere mortal comprehension


How do u confirm it is gravity that pushes wateva dat goes up downward?

You seem to have this gross misconception that science has all the answers to the universe.

Science is actually a new phenomena relative to man's existence.
We are just entering the information age.
For a long time, religion suppressed science and any knowledge that countered it's own.

The fact is that science will continue to demystify the mysteries and look for all the answers we seek but while it does that, we on our own have to shed the old ignorant thoughts, cultures and practices that we cling onto. We have to move along with science.

Segedinho:
Are those people associated with confession in the bible psychos


Will your refer Jesus a psycho if he mentioned anything like confession in the bible??

This bible was written in the dark ages when men knew nothing about their universe so the leaders used religion as a means to control the masses.

It is still happening today. You will see a politician that will command area boys to go and kill his political opponents and the next Sunday, he is in church, in a front row seat reserved for him thanking God and The masses will be none the wiser.